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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Troll Control on April 15, 2007, 04:04:17 PM
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Hey people, just an item of curiousity here. I know Elan is a Synanon-based program, like Daytop. However, I never heard of "The Ring" (making attendees fight one another physically) being used anywhere at Daytop.
I was watching a channel thirteen documentary today about the People's Temple - the Jim Jones cult that killed a congressman and committed mass suicide in Guyana. In this film they were talking about people being "called up front" (a group confrontation/confession session where members would have to confess intimate details of their lives - who they slept with, etc - to the group), whereupon the leader (Jones) would give "consequences" ranging from bitch-slappings to paddlings to sexual assault to "the ring"... This caught my attention.
My question: Does anyone know wheteher "the ring" came from the People's Temple or some other source for cult abuse tactics?
In any case, this documentary was fascinating and was laden with program-speak and tactics. I knew before of the People's Temple, but I had never heard it in the words of survivors and, let me tell you, it sent a shiver down my spine...
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Interestingly enough, there was a sign at "The Pavilion" of the People's Temple's headquarters in Guyana, where the mass suicide occurred. It read: "Those Who Forget Their Past Are Condemned to Relive It." Sound familiar?
Well, sometimes TC programs became cults. Doesn't mean they all were. I don't think Elan and the PT were connected, but it's likely they both borrowed stuff from Synanon or similar programs.
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Hello Dysfunction Junction, glad to see your back. BTW, have you ever figured out your function yet??
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"Hooking up words and phrases and clauses..."
Driving a choo-choo maybe...? :question:
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I guess if a person wanted to make a connection youd have to look at a few facts. Time-line...association...application etc.
Elans "Ring" was used most often when a person physically confronted another and in some cases as a consequence for intimidation and or threats. I think it was geared more to a simple lesson not unlike teaching a toddler not to bite. (by biting them back)
The ring was not exactly a brutal act, physically anyway. Participants would glove up with real boxing gloves. 16 ounce I think, which were not exactly a tool for inflicting pain and injury. Myself, I witnessed at least a dozen occasions of the ring, and was the "bad guy" once, and the good guy 4 or 5 times.
Most of the "bad guys" didnt even fight back and they covered up and got thumped around with gloves for 5 minutes and it was over.
No blood, no injuries...but I wonder why the nurse was never present? I mean every sanctioned boxing match theres always someone with a medical background present. Maybe the "nurse" didnt know about these things?
I doubt there was any connection with Elans ring, and the cult you speak of. First, I was in daytop and never saw the ring once. though I was only there 2 months, there were plenty of occasions when it could have been used as punishment for things that happened there. But Daytop also had a lot of people come in and just get kicked out or hauled off to jail if they assaulted someone.
To link the ring with a cult, and to link the similar "philosophies" such as the one posted is more likely a coincidence. The "philosophy" mentioned isnt uncommon and I doubt it was created by a TC or cult group.
The ring in its most basic principal really isnt any different than the real world, if you hit or intimidate someone, youre eventually going to get your ass kicked.
Works in society, why not Elan?
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"Hooking up words and phrases and clauses..."
Driving a choo-choo maybe...? :question:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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There was mention of a "Ringmaster" in an old Times article, think it was 1977 or so, about the Delancey Street Family. Delancey Street was a direct offshoot of Synanon, differing primarily on the basis of a 2yr vs lifetime commitment to the group. Started by John Maher and three others in 1971 in San Franscisco; founding members were primarily from Synanon. Maher was originally from NYC, hence the name. The Ringmaster presided over Delancey Street's version of the Game, for which they freely gave credit to Synanon.
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If Im not mistaken, I think in the Duck In A Raincoat book Joe compares himself to Jimmy Jones, saying something to the effect that he had the power to make people ( the kids at elan) do such things.
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Take the book with a grain of salt.
Neither its author, or its "pubwisher" spent any time in or near Elan to have an opinion.
Why is it so difficult for people to understand how "agenda and bias" played such a huge role in the writing (and promotion) of Duck in a raincoat?
Anyone who was in Elan has 100% more knowledge of Elan than the book or its contributors do. It contains no revelations, and a huge amount of second hand info geared to one purpose. Smearing Joe Ricci.
Try to separate the validity of Joe being smeared, and two people having a conflict of interest with the truth.
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I was at elan I remember Joe well, I think just maybe he did say that. Now as far as doing something that bad I dont he would have, guess he just liked the thought of having the power over so many.
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You have a real issue with someone else's experience with Joe Ricci. I have watched you read this Dan the riot act for an awful long time. Have you even met/talked with the man ? Such an angry young man you are.This is what success is?
If I were going to be this miserable,I would want to be drunk.
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I guess if a person wanted to make a connection youd have to look at a few facts. Time-line...association...application etc.
Elans "Ring" was used most often when a person physically confronted another and in some cases as a consequence for intimidation and or threats. I think it was geared more to a simple lesson not unlike teaching a toddler not to bite. (by biting them back)
If you actually were caught biting a baby youd find yourself in fighting over wether the baby would be removed from your custody by CPS. As a cult that has been ausing teen children and getting away with it for years, though Im sure your ability to circumvent CPS is quite advanced.
www.capcsac.org/abuse (http://www.capcsac.org/abuse)
Child abuse is physical -- shaking, hitting, beating, burning, or biting a child. WHat is child abuse-child abuse council
How much $ has elan doled out to ploiticians, anyone have a clue?
The ring was not exactly a brutal act, physically anyway. Participants would glove up with real boxing gloves. 16 ounce I think, which were not exactly a tool for inflicting pain and injury. Myself, I witnessed at least a dozen occasions of the ring, and was the "bad guy" once, and the good guy 4 or 5 times.
Most of the "bad guys" didnt even fight back and they covered up and got thumped around with gloves for 5 minutes and it was over.
No blood, no injuries...but I wonder why the nurse was never present? I mean every sanctioned boxing match theres always someone with a medical background present. Maybe the "nurse" didnt know about these things? to be beaten by another 20 or so..until you perverts are satisfied that he or she is broken is far sicker than any biting of a child.
The ring has been testified to in court under oath as leveled in this brutal fashion against any youth for any reason, no matter how absurd.
If you do not agree with this description I suggest u get to work suing for libel...oh wait you cant because its true :( As this was sworn testimony and one is liable not for not just civil damages but jail time...i think we can beleive that individual over a man who spends his days discussing fags, niggers, and feces on behalf of an instituion founded by a drug addict who had just been indocritnated by the cult daytop, itself an offshoot of Synanon...not trustwothy people so much...
Nor was their any nurse present...a medical proffesional witnessing such an act would be bound to stop it, LEGALLY..Unless they were a "nurse" in the sense of the "nurse" watching that 14 year old be beaten to death in Florida
Yes you are right, no need to link elan to the peoples temple cult as it allready is a direct extesion of the synanon cult
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The ring in its most basic principal really isnt any different than the real world, if you hit or intimidate someone, youre eventually going to get your ass kicked.
Works in society, why not Elan?
been away from the real time aintcha cultie? If you ever enter the real world you will see that it doesnt work like that. I can guarantee if you kidnapp someone take them out to the woods and you, child torturer, and 12 other cowards attack one poor defenselss child..well i recomend you try it
eliscu did you ever witness the ring?
Also, eliscu what was the staff like...if it was all kids than where did the money go?
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I guess if a person wanted to make a connection youd have to look at a few facts. Time-line...association...application etc.
Elans "Ring" was used most often when a person physically confronted another and in some cases as a consequence for intimidation and or threats. I think it was geared more to a simple lesson not unlike teaching a toddler not to bite. (by biting them back)
If you actually were caught biting a baby youd find yourself in fighting over wether the baby would be removed from your custody by CPS. As a cult that has been ausing teen children and getting away with it for years, though Im sure your ability to circumvent CPS is quite advanced.
www.capcsac.org/abuse (http://www.capcsac.org/abuse)
Child abuse is physical -- shaking, hitting, beating, burning, or biting a child. WHat is child abuse-child abuse council
How much $ has elan doled out to ploiticians, anyone have a clue?
The ring was not exactly a brutal act, physically anyway. Participants would glove up with real boxing gloves. 16 ounce I think, which were not exactly a tool for inflicting pain and injury. Myself, I witnessed at least a dozen occasions of the ring, and was the "bad guy" once, and the good guy 4 or 5 times.
Most of the "bad guys" didnt even fight back and they covered up and got thumped around with gloves for 5 minutes and it was over.
No blood, no injuries...but I wonder why the nurse was never present? I mean every sanctioned boxing match theres always someone with a medical background present. Maybe the "nurse" didnt know about these things?
to be beaten by another 20 or so..until you perverts are satisfied that he or she is broken is far sicker than any biting of a child.
The ring has been testified to in court under oath as leveled in this brutal fashion against any youth for any reason, no matter how absurd.
If you do not agree with this description I suggest u get to work suing for libel...oh wait you cant because its true :( As this was sworn testimony and one is liable not for not just civil damages but jail time...i think we can beleive that individual over a man who spends his days discussing fags, niggers, and feces on behalf of an instituion founded by a drug addict who had just been indocritnated by the cult daytop, itself an offshoot of Synanon...not trustwothy people so much...
Nor was their any nurse present...a medical proffesional witnessing such an act would be bound to stop it, LEGALLY..Unless they were a "nurse" in the sense of the "nurse" watching that 14 year old be beaten to death in Florida
Yes you are right, no need to link elan to the peoples temple cult as it allready is a direct extesion of the synanon cult
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The ring in its most basic principal really isnt any different than the real world, if you hit or intimidate someone, youre eventually going to get your ass kicked.
Works in society, why not Elan?
been away from the real time aintcha cultie? If you ever enter the real world you will see that it doesnt work like that. I can guarantee if you kidnapp someone take them out to the woods and you, child torturer, and 12 other cowards attack one poor defenselss child..well i recomend you try it
eliscu did you ever witness the ring?
Also, eliscu what was the staff like...if it was all kids than where did the money go?
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oops alot of typos and mispellings. Had an allnighter last night....
Want to put this disclaimer out there,as otherwise I might undermine the usual erudite commetary that enlivens this forum
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was there any investigation into this by the authorities?
why not?
why was the child Put into the ring?
(not that it matters)
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Even in the 90's Elan was known for ignoring the kid's medical issues unless it directly affected them.
For example one time a young girl (14 or 15) was pretty pregnant (4/5) months and the staff went ape shit. They did everything possible but beat her to get her to have an abortion.
It was considered a mid term abortion. Hello, she was almost 6 months preggers! The girl held her ground but they wore her down she got the abortion. Poor kid. She was never really the same again.
Not to mention the countless numbers of kids with obvious mental issues ranging from mild depression to bi polar disorder to panic attacks to anorexia! ADD/ADHD too.
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.
Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.
Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.
The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?
I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.
Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.
Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.
The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?
I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.
Thats pretty far fetched distortion of what I remember the ring being used for and/or what happened as a result of.
I saw a number of children get their asses kicked.1 minute rounds huh. I guess it wouldnt be that bad if these kids didnt go 5-8 rounds with someone twice their size. Were denied medical help when it was over.I know of 3 different people that had their noses broken. I know of one 14 yr old kid they put in the ring with a cast on his arm 3 weeks after having surgery.
I do remember one kid who laid on the floor.He was kicked,picked up and beaten,then picked up and the process repeated several times.
aneurysm or not. I would guess that had he not been in Elan in the 1st place,medical attention would have been given as soon as he felt the very 1st symptoms of illness. Aneurysm's are treatable with medications and at times surgical proceedures.
You couldnt even get a fucking aspirin from that place without waiting an entire day,if you got it at all.
More from the filthy minds and mouths of rotten would be kid,pretending to be an adult. Your language directly reflects your own personal growth
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt..
Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.
Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.
The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?
I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.[/quote]
Im sorry my long winded inletectual rhetoric wasnt up to the sophisticated ruminations that usually characterize this forum.
I supose you have lived in a cult so long that you think calling me a cunt when not monologuing on nigger doody makes u a regardable witness to the ongoings of Elan. Oh youcrazy cult members! Freind, thats aint the case. People whom do not live in violent cults will deffer to the testimony delivered under oath by people whom have seperated from the cult over people whom are still actively involved ...and spend their days discussing nigger doody.
Clearly you have no interest in elan let alone a supporter!
You have merely taken a break from your insessant scatalogical porn which attempts to drive survivors away, to lay out point by point with specific and detailed justifications why Elan has no repsonsibility for the death the child whom died of celrebral hemorage. Also, while you have no interest or support of ELan you specifically point out that the cult is within Maine state guidelines and is therefore not approptiate for legal penalty.
No sir, forcing a dozen supposedly mentally ill child to beat another supposedly mentally ill child while the others surround whooping and shouting abuse ..until the child breaks to your satisfaction is not abuse, it is torture. And for this boy it is murder
Human right advocates..Eliscu, guest.contact the authorities with this material. Murder has no statute of limitations
(also hint :quotes-""- are meant to imply a misused or foriegn word, child is the correct word for the boy you kidnapped and murdered, another problem living your years in a cult ..not so much on the high school education :cry: )
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.
Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.
Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.
The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?
I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.
Im sorry my long winded inletectual rhetoric wasnt up to the sophisticated ruminations that usually characterize this forum.
I supose you have lived in a cult so long that you think calling me a cunt when not monologuing on nigger doody makes u a regardable witness to the ongoings of Elan. Oh youcrazy cult members! Freind, thats aint the case. People whom do not live in violent cults will deffer to the testimony delivered under oath by people whom have seperated from the cult over people whom are still actively involved ...and spend their days discussing nigger doody.
Clearly you have no interest in elan let alone a supporter!
You have merely taken a break from your insessant scatalogical porn which attempts to drive survivors away, to lay out point by point with specific and detailed justifications why Elan has no repsonsibility for the death the child whom died of celrebral hemorage. Also, while you have no interest or support of ELan you specifically point out that the cult is within Maine state guidelines and is therefore not approptiate for legal penalty.
No sir, forcing a dozen supposedly mentally ill child to beat another supposedly mentally ill child while the others surround whooping and shouting abuse ..until the child breaks to your satisfaction is not abuse, it is torture. And for this boy it is murder
Human right advocates..Eliscu, guest.contact the authorities with this material. Murder has no statute of limitations
(also hint :quotes-""- are meant to imply a misused or foriegn word, child is the correct word for the boy you kidnapped and murdered, another problem living your years in a cult ..not so much on the high school education )
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.
Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.
Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.
The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?
I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.
Sounds alot like curent or former staffpeople that havent a clue what their previous incarcerated kids went through in comparrison to the country club atmosphere Elan has evolved into. They tell a pretty good story,with icing and fruit on top. But in the midle of it all is pain caused by the very people you stand up for... Why would you even post something like this.. Are you seeking to "stir the pot"?
or are you just misinformed and misguided,afraid Sharon will take your abusive job privilages away? Does the truth scare you? Perhaps you are just another Fornits troll and cannot relate to a "real conversation of substance" The term shiteater,speaks for itself!
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Elan is not a country club. It is still Torturing people, Still using the ring.
This boy died of a "pre existing anyurism" like that kid in florida died of sickle cell anemia. Some kids are more frail than the others and respond to physical trauma differently. Thats why only Anthony died at buffalo soldiers, or only one of those twins that were starved actually died. This poor child was just more delicate.
Oh ,and to the child murder supporter who posted before..brain anyusims are caused by trama to the head. And hemoraging of a brain anyruerism caused by trauma to the head is caused by further trauma to the head
Not much highschool so medical school was pretty much outta the question. So sad,We lost a good mind :( Luckily, u have child abuse to fall back on
Can someone describe a ring beating they witnessed to me and the conditions surrounding it?
or any other time when someone got sick and they were refused ?
Mostly what was the name of that boy?
wow, so elan and co. flat out murdered a child.
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I know nothing about this boy , but the ring was real and it wasnt pretty, their broken noses and I remember lost of blood some good the gloves did. THE RING WAS REAL and not sugar coated like this ass is saying. Now did this indeed have an affect on all of us, thats a good question?
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Didnt call you a dumb cunt eliscu, that was addressed to the nanny who posted all the other bullshit.
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Im not eliscu and I wrote the post. And the post I wrote reiterated what Eliscu said.
The ring would have a pschological effect on anyone who witnessed or took part in it. It is a horrifying nightmarish idea.
Dont worry no one who is not actively a member of a violent cult would ever support such a thing- on supposedly mentally ill children no less.
In fact physical brain trauma is also quite likely..ever talk to a boxer..see how affected their movements, speach thinking patterns. Obviously, unless you were in the ring regularly it wouldnt be to that point- for the most part. The truth is even one blow to your head can impact you for the rest of your life PHYSCIALLY
Does anyone know that murdered childs name?
Can anyone decribe in detail a ring match...the supposed reasons behind it, the real reasons (beyond the obvious- that Elan is a violent cult) the emotional effect on the victem and the victem/perpetrators, How did you get chosen to enact the assault that sort of thing. :(
Incredible....
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Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines
I would love to read those guidelines.Whomever wrote this post didnt sign his/her name on purpose. You made this"ring" into a "no big deal" just another theraputic tool.
WTF are you smoking?
Prob a Rebublifiuk too
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Its a ridiculous statement. There is no need to respond to such drivel.
Maine does not have state guidelines for forcing a gang of supposedly mentally ill children to box another suposedly ill child while the other children form a ring around to prevent her from escaping becasue its ILEGAL..for a number or reasons..including it causes Oh. cerebral hemmoraging. and Oh, permanent debhilitating mental and physical trauma. And Oh, its the most horrific nightmare of absolute power god mad imaginable.. Its the sort of thing say Jim Jones would think up..wait hey! Jim Jones DID think of something like that!..Wow its almost like Elan is a violent cult..oh wait -(giggle, silly me) it IS a violent cult.
And the thread comes full circle.
Id love to hear more decriptions of the ring or lack of medical care if you have them. Though can you really do better than forced abortion?
When I read that I became physically ill. When I read about the murder of this poor child in the ring I became physically ill. Thats such EVIL can exist...and these pathetic defenders of it! These folk whom betray children, whom betray themselves...they will never see the truth, for then they would have to see themselves and thats a trauma they could not survive
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Thank you. Elan's rings was not a therapeutic tool used to teach us out of control adolescents a lesson.
The staff and student alike thrived on the ring. The news of an upcoming ring sent everyone into a freakin tizzy!
People CREAMED their mother fuckin pants with anticipation.
It was all anyone could talk about.
One time Tanya tried to put me into the ring. People on my SP were telling me ALL of the gossip. Who they wanted to pit against me and so forth.
It was like a Tyson ~VS~ Holyfield event was comin to 7.
It was sickening! I was going to go into it. I was not gonna fight and refuse. I would of sat there though and let the other person punch me then let them get their 15 minutes of "fame" for "kicking my ass" took my spit in the face Gm and become a shotdown again.
My dad refused to let it happen though. He wanted to speak to me and she refused it so he told her he refused to let me in the ring. She said in my Gm "_____'s daddy wouldn't let me put his daughter in the ring, no wonder she is a rotten brat that is going to be a loser her whole life" I laughed, told her she was boring me and to get it over with because people were hungry and wanted to go back to dropping slips.
I knew how people felt about me in 7 and I did not care to be honest. They were not my peer.
The day I left this staff guy with a dark beard wanted me to read the philosophy in the morning meeting and I did I said "I know I screwed up here and I am sorry for those I troubled. I liked some of you and others I did not." I wished them the best and said I was happy to leave no matter my posistion walking out the door I felt like I was graduating back into the real world. I was going home. I survived nearly 3 years of horrendous abuse and needed a little bit of talk therapy and valium for it. I'd say I was better than most! The so called grad's I had run into were shooting freakin Heroin and I was not. I had my own apt and a job and a pet cat. If I was so much worse leaving Elan than the people who left as graduates then I am glad I was worse.
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[size=18]I love it! That rocked Eliscu![/size]
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Stupid shit will be posted no matter what "name" one uses to post it with..
Anywho,
info@elanschool.com is the latest email addy I got for the joint...
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I sent one too..Just in case yours got "lost"...