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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Ursus on April 10, 2007, 05:59:04 AM
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Billy's first declared post was made on August 29th, 2006, at 3:46 AM EDT (all times noted henceforth will be East Coast times, as that is where they were presumably posted from) in the "I lost my virginity at Hyde." thread:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15309&start=46 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15309&start=46)
excuse me for the informal writing, it's 3:30 in the morning, so bear with me...i'm going to be a senior and it's going to be my 4th year. i have seen good and bad. good from hyde's perspective and good that hyde hasn't recognized. the sterotypical "tool"(what most kids would call the 100% good guys are the ones Hyde will usually praise, yes, and still challenge. i've seen a kid i went to summer challenge with eventually graduate dirty. yes. but I was able to see the IMMENSE positive change he made. he realized to take his life seriously. M.D. was the classic "bad boy" and still looks like the really cool really tough guy. but he's a good kid now. he always was, but he learned some responsibility. for him, that's really all he needed. i've seen "bad" kids come in, refuse; and then refuse a year and a half into it. those kids are a waste of our time, the parents' money. i've seen good kids, such as myself, who've never done anything bad, learn to be less oblivious and also learn that not all of the current youth culture's bad. like, that drinking a little at a party isn't nearly the end of the world. i've gotten a lot out of hyde cuz i put a lot of faith and trust into it. granted, i DID NOT wanna be there during SC '03 and the beginning of freshman year. but i see that hyde is a place to develop yourself, but whatever it needs to be. not necessarily what hyde thinks it should be. whether or not hyde recognizes that you accomplished something doesn't matter. YES THERE ARE FLAWS! but nothing's perfect. i see that there IS a business perspective; hey, someone's gotta pay the bills to keep the place actually open. i worked in the admissions office for three weeks this summer...i noticed we, at least the woodstock campus, has begun to be more selective and not letting people who aren't ready for us in. which is good. i encourage you look at the school, regardless of the stories, it really depends on your kid. maybe he/she needs something more extreme. like elan, or family foundation(although, they may wanna kill themselves after F.F.). or wilderness. or rehab. hyde is a GREAT transition school from one of those, because they are 1) more willing to go to something less strict and 2) if they did the other program right, then they'll be more willing to continue the change they've been making. it's TOTALLY TRUE that hyde's NOT FOR EVERYONE. but you never know till you at least look. but i know that the common thing with teens today is lack of self-confidence, self-worth, or immaturity. usually a good combination. i was all three. what keeps me coming back are the PEOPLE and the staff. so i'm really tired, but PLEASE, if you have any questions, i'll answer them. i see myself as a completely neutral, seeing as i see them all from both sides. My name is Billy Procida...my email address is http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=0 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=0)
This time perhaps because it was a thread starter, he did get more responses, including a number who questioned his authenticity. Even back then, as now, a number of people asked questions in response to his having solicited them. Then, as now, he did not answer them.
On Friday, December 15th at 3:08 PM, this exact same post was inserted again, in the "thoughts about hyde" thread, along with the prefacing comment "Also needs repeating...," necessary, perhaps, given that it was no longer anywhere near 3:30AM. Again, the insertion was somewhat out of context, and did not go far in generating much interest.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=19252&start=19 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=19252&start=19)
On Sunday, March 4, 2007 at 8:51 PM, Billy finally responded to questions posed in the "i'm an incoming senior... to parents interested" thread with the following post:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=12 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=12)
i'm at my uncle's and he told me he found my post. i didn't know what he was talking about, then i was like "o yeaa". i'll be sure to try and check this site more often. but again, i'm sorry. i just thought if people had questions, they'd email them. (and i was up that late because I was playing some online poker, got bored, and searched hyde school on google). So about those questions(and being over half way done with senior year, almost been a full 4 years).
* How many of students were in your entering class (2003)? How many graduated?
Maybe 15 back in the days of the year 03-04. We have 4 from THAT class. Another one of them went up to the Bath campus half-way through because he wanted a change (and his mom worked at the woodstock campus) and we have two 4-year seniors from the bath campus down at woodstock.
* How has Hyde changed its admission standards? You said they're being more selective. How?
it's changed in the sense that those kids you said needed something more therapeutic or rehabilitative don't get accepted anymore. i agree, too many kids who should have NEVER been there were accepted. i think there was just a financial pressure, being its first 10 years in, we just needed more people. after this whole Hyde @ 40 financial campaign thing, we got a lot more money that we raised. so there's not that pressure to keep accepting anymore. the feel on campus this year is SO much different. there's no longer kids on 2-4 for a week or two at a time. kids are off after usually 3-4 days. we dont' have a bunch of kids out breaking ethics ALL THE TIME like my other 3 years. it's just a new feel. i'm not the BIGGEST fan of Laura Gauld, but she's done some things Duncan (Mr. McCrann) just couldn't do.
* What percentage of Hyde's current students seem to have pretty serious mental health/psychiatric problems? Drug/alc problems? Has that changed since you started at Hyde?
I'd say maybe 10-25 percent maybe (very rough estimate). but it's way under half. the other years, esp. last year, drugs were a huge issue. my sophomore year there was a kid dealing massive amounts of coke, last year it was ecstasy. and you could tell that there was something really off in the community. you just don't get that feeling this year.
* Did you witness any bad incidents in seminars (FLCs) or was it all good? Did you think the staff had the proper training to handle those groups, especially when things got real intense?
o we all have stories about people breaking down (my mother breaks down way too often). def. not all good. again, no one's a certified psychologist or counselor (except Don MacMillan). so it's just people helping people. yes they screw up, because we all don't have the answers. the faculty and students only have our own personal experiences. i've heard (and recieved) feedback that was extremely off, but if people could just take it with a grain of salt, and accept it has no bearing, they could just leave it alone. don't take it personally. it's even one of the seminar guidelines. the faculty could definitely work on intense situations. the younger facutly are a lot more open to ask for help, i've noticed, because they are new and recognize that. they have no problem seeking help from the veteran faculty if things are getting to be too much.
* How much turnover is there with teachers these days? When I was at Hyde the turnover was real high.
Faculty turnover was pretty good going from last year to this year. there was a big controversy that upset many (including myself) over L.G. not renewing Tom Lord's contract (brilliant man, even non-returning offtrack kids weeped and were pissed about it). but it was pretty good. we picked up 2 faculty members mid year this year. somehow we picked 2 young guys that seem to just get it. i've never seen new faculty be this dead-on about attitudes. I'm talking about Julian Miller and Wesley Jenkins.
* Is Joe Gauld still very involved? What's your experience with him?
He's still here, old shaking and still going. haha. he's been coming down a lot to talk to us seniors and work with us. and of course for FLC weekends. i had more experience with him my first two years with my father because my dad's not in the process at hyde and exchanged some words with Joey G via email. they're on better terms now. my dad needed something different. he's been doing it, and improving. sorry, i just don't personally have much experience with him.
I was really dissapointed with many accusing me of being a fake or a faculty. i can understand why though. i understand ya'll are looking for help, and when there's an air of suspicion, it's easy to take a big whif of it. so if you still doubt me, call me up. 201-788-1824. if you live in jersey, we'll sit down for lunch and discuss. but please don't accuse me of something like that. i do see things from a more objective point of view. i was an innocent my first two years and hung around off track kids. most of my friends were off track dishonest ethic breaking kids. it didn't make them bad people. but i can recognize that. i also am around a lot of "ontrack" kids too. i've seen most of it, just short of breaking the ethics myself. any other questions i'll ask, HONESTLY and from an objective point of view. hyde has its faults in the practice, but so does every other school. but the basic concept is: be a better person. and who can argue with that. if you're really on that road for yourself trying to better yourself, a teacher messing up a single situation shouldn't throw you off the deepend. i'll try my best to check this site, but feel free to also email me questions or comments: wprocida@hyde.edu . i've got to go back to my family.
- Bill Procida
This time the fish bit, so to speak... and "conversation," so to speak, continued hence...
Some of the posts have been quite "curious"...
It would appear that Billy's activities in the admissions office have less to do with any interest in genuine dialogue, rather, have been precisely focused on fishing for information and proselytizing. Reader take note.
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Conspiracy?! You've been smokin' too much weed dude...
Maybe Billy wrote each of these posts from the grassy knoll!
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Conspiracy?! You've been smokin' too much weed dude...
Maybe Billy wrote each of these posts from the grassy knoll!
uh uh... lay off the koolaid and wake up, buddy. those fuckers are desparate...
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Conspiracy?! You've been smokin' too much weed dude...
Maybe Billy wrote each of these posts from the grassy knoll!
uh uh... lay off the koolaid and wake up, buddy. those fuckers are desparate...
The implication is that Bill is being paid to post. It is not an unreasonable suggestion.
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Conspiracy?! You've been smokin' too much weed dude...
Maybe Billy wrote each of these posts from the grassy knoll!
uh uh... lay off the koolaid and wake up, buddy. those fuckers are desparate...
The implication is that Bill is being paid to post. It is not an unreasonable suggestion.
The implication is that you are paranoid schizophrenics who are bringing discredit to this site.
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
Hyde doesn't employ LSW or psychologists so you must be one of the amature therapists that extracts the details of date rape from 13 year old girls in group sessions Yeah that qualifies you to comment on the relative sanity of board posters
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Conspiracy?! You've been smokin' too much weed dude...
Maybe Billy wrote each of these posts from the grassy knoll!
uh uh... lay off the koolaid and wake up, buddy. those fuckers are desparate...
The implication is that Bill is being paid to post. It is not an unreasonable suggestion.
The implication is that you are paranoid schizophrenics who are bringing discredit to this site.
Like the mentally unbalanced folk that bring discredit to Hyde?
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
Hyde doesn't employ LSW or psychologists so you must be one of the amature therapists that extracts the details of date rape from 13 year old girls in group sessions Yeah that qualifies you to comment on the relative sanity of board posters
No, I'm no psychoanalyst, so I work from general notions like insanity is the inability to distinguish between illusion and reality. Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality. Please don't bore me with pseudo-intellectual yammerings about the demarcation of illusion and reality. BTW, you're wrong about me too: I'm as anti-Hyde as they come.
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Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality.
Ok I will spare you my ramblings on the subjective and mutable nature of "reality" But please do tell:
How would you know that?
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Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality.
Ok I will spare you my ramblings on the subjective and mutable nature of "reality" But please do tell:
How would you know that?
Reality is where the pizza delivery boy comes from. Usually he is not a proselyte, spy, and existential threat.
Mike
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Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality.
Ok I will spare you my ramblings on the subjective and mutable nature of "reality" But please do tell:
How would you know that?
Reality is where the pizza delivery boy comes from. Usually he is not a proselyte, spy, and existential threat.
Mike
Funny you should mention spy and pizza delivery boy. The state police have been using pizza delivery boys for tips on under age drinking parties. I advised my kids to have the designated driver pick the pizza up.
Busting kids is fun for the state police since the kids usually don't open fire on them like the heroin dealers do and there are drunk teenage girls. Was it Noam Chomsky that said police become police to legitimize their own criminal intent? I know he said something horrid about being a fan of a pro sports team. Go Red Sox.
Levitating the Mansion
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Was it Noam Chomsky that said police become police to legitimize their own criminal intent? I know he said something horrid about being a fan of a pro sports team. Go Red Sox.
It's scary to think what Noam would have to say to an American-Israeli Cubs fan. I named my son after him.
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Well, I can see that this subject matter has certainly gotten a reaction out of Hyde. Obviously, there is more to it than I had seen fit to post previously. Here's another tidbit... Read these very carefully; there is more to it than just what I have chosen to highlight:
Note this excerpt from a post by Billy Procida in the "i'm an incoming senior... for parents interested" thread, posted Thurday, March 8th, 2007 at 5:23 PM Conn.:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=39 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=39)
Again, to start, you need an objective view. I've always been an objective kid. I can put feelings aside and spurt what's right, not what I wnat to be right(most of the time, I have my situations here and there, I actually had one quite recently if you want to hear about it, shoot me an email). But seriously, grow up. Because putting smiley faces and patronizing people is what I did in grade school. Because by doing that, you're acting like Matt. And he was a boy trapped in an 18-year old's body.
Next, note this post not quite a month later, posted Friday, April 6th, 2007 at 7:09 PM in the "gauld admits hyde is a fraud and quits" thread:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21053&start=48 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21053&start=48)
i'm not trying to invalidate what you've said, but it IS a lot different now in 2007 than it was in the late 60s and 70s. hyde has been figuring this out by trial and error and still are. because you're right: how do you teach character education? we're still in the process of figuring out the BEST way to do it. so back then, i can imagine them not having any sort of clue if you just have joey g-string getting into people one-on-one. he can be very stubborn and so can a teenager. so that's not a great set-up for EVERY situation. i get that. but it is different now ursus.
- bill procida '07
ps....when exactly did you graduate? were you part of the first class with paul hurd? or were you more towards malcolm's time? just trying to get a time frame...hope that doesnt' make you feel too old :wink: lol
SOMEbody messed up!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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You know Mike could be correct. This does sound a little like the trial scene from the Caine Mutiny.
"Ah, but the strawberries! That's, that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist."
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I'm nowhere near as invested in this conversation as so me of you are, so take this fwiw.
I don't know if Billy is always played by the same actor or not. I don't know if there's a real Billy or if "Billy" is just a sock puppet made up out of whole cloth for the purpose of trolling Hyde critics. I can tell you this, though, it's old hat. Sue Scheff got sued for doing just this type of trolling on Lon's forum. The Sudweeks did the same when the Whitmore was under intense scrutiny. HLA has had people posting as various characters either to upset people or troll for info or maybe just because the entire industry of cultish little gulags is just that fucking obsessed with controling the dialog within and without their isolated little communities.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how this all turns out. But I can tell you that Ursus' suspicions are not at all out of line w/ SOP in this ongoing war.
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I'm nowhere near as invested in this conversation as so me of you are, so take this fwiw.
I don't know if Billy is always played by the same actor or not. I don't know if there's a real Billy or if "Billy" is just a sock puppet made up out of whole cloth for the purpose of trolling Hyde critics. I can tell you this, though, it's old hat. Sue Scheff got sued for doing just this type of trolling on Lon's forum. The Sudweeks did the same when the Whitmore was under intense scrutiny. HLA has had people posting as various characters either to upset people or troll for info or maybe just because the entire industry of cultish little gulags is just that fucking obsessed with controling the dialog within and without their isolated little communities.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how this all turns out. But I can tell you that Ursus' suspicions are not at all out of line w/ SOP in this ongoing war.
So far, sock puppet has my vote. So who's hand is up Billy's ass?
Mansion Levitation
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Well, I can see that this subject matter has certainly gotten a reaction out of Hyde. Obviously, there is more to it than I had seen fit to post previously. Here's another tidbit... Read these very carefully; there is more to it than just what I have chosen to highlight:
Note this excerpt from a post by Billy Procida in the "i'm an incoming senior... for parents interested" thread, posted Thurday, March 8th, 2007 at 5:23 PM Conn.:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=39 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17301&start=39)
Again, to start, you need an objective view. I've always been an objective kid. I can put feelings aside and spurt what's right, not what I wnat to be right(most of the time, I have my situations here and there, I actually had one quite recently if you want to hear about it, shoot me an email). But seriously, grow up. Because putting smiley faces and patronizing people is what I did in grade school. Because by doing that, you're acting like Matt. And he was a boy trapped in an 18-year old's body.
Next, note this post not quite a month later, posted Friday, April 6th, 2007 at 7:09 PM in the "gauld admits hyde is a fraud and quits" thread:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21053&start=48 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21053&start=48)
i'm not trying to invalidate what you've said, but it IS a lot different now in 2007 than it was in the late 60s and 70s. hyde has been figuring this out by trial and error and still are. because you're right: how do you teach character education? we're still in the process of figuring out the BEST way to do it. so back then, i can imagine them not having any sort of clue if you just have joey g-string getting into people one-on-one. he can be very stubborn and so can a teenager. so that's not a great set-up for EVERY situation. i get that. but it is different now ursus.
- bill procida '07
ps....when exactly did you graduate? were you part of the first class with paul hurd? or were you more towards malcolm's time? just trying to get a time frame...hope that doesnt' make you feel too old :wink: lol
SOMEbody messed up!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Not to mention the fact that "Billy" never answered the questions posed repeatedly about Hyde's attrition rate, graduate rate, etc.
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first of all...i'm a little flatered to have a thread named after me. it made me giggle. first of all: i never reposted my first ever post here with the preface "needs repeating" or whatever. i did not re-find this site from august until the beginning of march. i think someone was trying to quote me? idk. think what you want but remember this. if they won't pay me during the year to do tours and to do the amount of work that i do in admissions, do you really think they'd pay me to do this. i WISH they would pay me while i was at school for something. would make up for not having a job while i'm here. about the attrition rate, graduation stats, etc....i gave my response: call the admissions office and ask. i dont' know specifics. i can only tell you what i've seen and heard in the last 4 years here. for example: my graduating class so far has all but about 4? accepted to college so far. 2 of them are doing post-grad years for basketball anyway. last year: one ended up going to trade school, another is at a junior college. the rest were accepted to 4-year universities. it's about the same with classes of '05 and '04. but i'm not going to go fish numbers for people who could easily find out themselves. they'll tell me the same thing they'll tell someone on the phone. honestly. i've yet to see numbers posted online by hyde that seemed different to what I have seen and experienced.
and of whether or not i'm some sort of spy, troll, prolyterate?, or if i even exist...think what you want. i'll gladly talk with you over the phone. or exchange emails. w/e. but i'm not terribly concerned about convincing anyone of anything. i mostly post here because i read a lot of ignorance(not completely on their parts) about hyde because things have changed. there's a new feeling. and since ya'll aren't here now, i thought i'd share it with people. yes....there are facutly that joke about me posting. and they heard about it from warnick who knows only because i talked to him about the site. some have even said, "you keep on posting." but i dont' care what they say. i just post to fill ya'll in on what i DO know and feel. i could give a rat's ass if laura gauld wanted me to post or not. what she says has no bearing on what i post here.
i was also impressed by some anti-hyde people sticking up for me here. i've only just read this new thread. especially gary eskow...that one was a shocker. but yea...i guess i misjudged and lumped all the "anti-hyde" people together, which was wrong. i only wish there was some sort of name, if not at least a pseudonym, so i kind of knew who said what. but i appreciated the little bit of defense.
i'm tireed. night.
- Bill Procida '07
NYU '11
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You know Mike could be correct. This does sound a little like the trial scene from the Caine Mutiny.
"Ah, but the strawberries! That's, that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist."
Are you saying that it is hard to listen to Ursus, pleading his case against Billy yet again, without the image of Captain Queeg in The Caine Mutiny coming to mind? Are you particularly referring to the courtroom scene in which the deranged, obsessed, and ultimately pathetic captain takes the witness stand and raves about duplicate icebox keys, missing strawberries, and how his entire crew plotted against him? Isn't that a little harsh?
Mike
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first of all...i'm a little flatered to have a thread named after me. it made me giggle. first of all: i never reposted my first ever post here with the preface "needs repeating" or whatever. i did not re-find this site from august until the beginning of march. i think someone was trying to quote me? idk. think what you want but remember this. if they won't pay me during the year to do tours and to do the amount of work that i do in admissions, do you really think they'd pay me to do this. i WISH they would pay me while i was at school for something. would make up for not having a job while i'm here. about the attrition rate, graduation stats, etc....i gave my response: call the admissions office and ask. i dont' know specifics. i can only tell you what i've seen and heard in the last 4 years here. for example: my graduating class so far has all but about 4? accepted to college so far. 2 of them are doing post-grad years for basketball anyway. last year: one ended up going to trade school, another is at a junior college. the rest were accepted to 4-year universities. it's about the same with classes of '05 and '04. but i'm not going to go fish numbers for people who could easily find out themselves. they'll tell me the same thing they'll tell someone on the phone. honestly. i've yet to see numbers posted online by hyde that seemed different to what I have seen and experienced.
and of whether or not i'm some sort of spy, troll, prolyterate?, or if i even exist...think what you want. i'll gladly talk with you over the phone. or exchange emails. w/e. but i'm not terribly concerned about convincing anyone of anything. i mostly post here because i read a lot of ignorance(not completely on their parts) about hyde because things have changed. there's a new feeling. and since ya'll aren't here now, i thought i'd share it with people. yes....there are facutly that joke about me posting. and they heard about it from warnick who knows only because i talked to him about the site. some have even said, "you keep on posting." but i dont' care what they say. i just post to fill ya'll in on what i DO know and feel. i could give a rat's ass if laura gauld wanted me to post or not. what she says has no bearing on what i post here.
i was also impressed by some anti-hyde people sticking up for me here. i've only just read this new thread. especially gary eskow...that one was a shocker. but yea...i guess i misjudged and lumped all the "anti-hyde" people together, which was wrong. i only wish there was some sort of name, if not at least a pseudonym, so i kind of knew who said what. but i appreciated the little bit of defense.
i'm tireed. night.
- Bill Procida '07
NYU '11
Bill,
We anti hyde people ARE impressive. We went to Hyde and have a lot of character.
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You know Mike could be correct. This does sound a little like the trial scene from the Caine Mutiny.
"Ah, but the strawberries! That's, that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist."
Are you saying that it is hard to listen to Ursus, pleading his case against Billy yet again, without the image of Captain Queeg in The Caine Mutiny coming to mind? Are you particularly referring to the courtroom scene in which the deranged, obsessed, and ultimately pathetic captain takes the witness stand and raves about duplicate icebox keys, missing strawberries, and how his entire crew plotted against him? Isn't that a little harsh?
Mike
Well there is more to it then Queeg's mental imbalance. Queeg was correct. His men were disloyal. Some times the pizza boy is a spy. It is how you present your case. If you sound like an OC it pushes people away from your cause. It is not about the strawberries. It is about the bigger picture. If you let them make you talk about the strawberries, you lose.
Mr Bear is a dedicated crusader. I am just a dilettante so far be it from me to cast aspersions. I just here to provide comic relief.
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first of all...i'm a little flatered to have a thread named after me. it made me giggle. first of all: i never reposted my first ever post here with the preface "needs repeating" or whatever. i did not re-find this site from august until the beginning of march. i think someone was trying to quote me? idk. think what you want but remember this. if they won't pay me during the year to do tours and to do the amount of work that i do in admissions, do you really think they'd pay me to do this. i WISH they would pay me while i was at school for something. would make up for not having a job while i'm here. about the attrition rate, graduation stats, etc....i gave my response: call the admissions office and ask. i dont' know specifics. i can only tell you what i've seen and heard in the last 4 years here. for example: my graduating class so far has all but about 4? accepted to college so far. 2 of them are doing post-grad years for basketball anyway. last year: one ended up going to trade school, another is at a junior college. the rest were accepted to 4-year universities. it's about the same with classes of '05 and '04. but i'm not going to go fish numbers for people who could easily find out themselves. they'll tell me the same thing they'll tell someone on the phone. honestly. i've yet to see numbers posted online by hyde that seemed different to what I have seen and experienced.
and of whether or not i'm some sort of spy, troll, prolyterate?, or if i even exist...think what you want. i'll gladly talk with you over the phone. or exchange emails. w/e. but i'm not terribly concerned about convincing anyone of anything. i mostly post here because i read a lot of ignorance(not completely on their parts) about hyde because things have changed. there's a new feeling. and since ya'll aren't here now, i thought i'd share it with people. yes....there are facutly that joke about me posting. and they heard about it from warnick who knows only because i talked to him about the site. some have even said, "you keep on posting." but i dont' care what they say. i just post to fill ya'll in on what i DO know and feel. i could give a rat's ass if laura gauld wanted me to post or not. what she says has no bearing on what i post here.
i was also impressed by some anti-hyde people sticking up for me here. i've only just read this new thread. especially gary eskow...that one was a shocker. but yea...i guess i misjudged and lumped all the "anti-hyde" people together, which was wrong. i only wish there was some sort of name, if not at least a pseudonym, so i kind of knew who said what. but i appreciated the little bit of defense.
i'm tireed. night.
- Bill Procida '07
NYU '11
Bill,
We anti hyde people ARE impressive. We went to Hyde and have a lot of character.
Ya know billy, I would have never gotten away with saying about the headmaster, "I don't give a rats ass." Another strange thing is that you say faculty is aware of this site yet not one has come on or at least admitted to coming on.
Hyde put the fear in both students and faculty when I was there. I stayed in touch with a few former faculty members for a couple of years after they left. They ALL talked negatively about Hyde. The same kind of comments from each, saying how they had no business facilitating seminars and the concern they always had for the kids when doing so. They also were concerned about the proper staffing and at that time they said the salaries were not up to par with other boarding schools, although it was more in line with wilderness programs. One former faculty member talked about a girl who almost drowned and another spoke about the dysfunction of many of the faculty including ones who drank too much and others who were inappropriate in different ways with students. I heard a lot of negativity about the administration especially the family and extended family of the people who run Hyde.
I want to believe that Hyde does some good with some kids, but I wonder if it is worth the damage they do to others. I think most any cult will have some positive effects, but seems to be on the ones who conform and pledge their devotion to the cult. I think Hyde's biggest mistake is in not admitting what type of institution they are. They continue to advertise themselves as a Character Based School. I suppose you can call it a school if you want, but they do not teach scholastics on a level equal to public schools. Also from what I have seen myself, the character schools who teach with positive reinforcement and love seem to have much better outcomes than Hyde which teaches through fear, shame, intimidation, and Brothers Keeper.
I do not claim to be right, but these are my opinions
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Sometimes the pizza boy is a spy and he only half knows it. Those are the best kind. That somewhat murky ethical grey area is easily avoided by the shine of those glistening ripe strawberries... And most importantly, they sure do aim to please...
I harbor no ill will towards Billy. He strikes me as a well-meaning, earnest sort. It is the backdrop that I find less than picturesque.
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Sometimes the pizza boy is a spy and he only half knows it. Those are the best kind. That somewhat murky ethical grey area is easily avoided by the shine of those glistening ripe strawberries... And most importantly, they sure do aim to please...
I harbor no ill will towards Billy. He strikes me as a well-meaning, earnest sort. It is the backdrop that I find less than picturesque.
Bear,
You seem like a good guy, but too melodramatic. You are not a terrorist and Hyde is not the CIA. No spies, no assassinations. May Hyde be as unimportant to you as you are to them.
Mike
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for the immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but it's not so academic for some of us here.
Ursus,
Hyde can identify me if they care to. No harm, bodily or otherwise, has come to me. Emil posted his e-mail address here. No harm has come to him. There are several other people who are identifiable. No harm has come to them. So you're doing a satisfactory job of discrediting your own viewpoint. Trouble is, you're discrediting this entire forum, to the extent that you dominate it. The thought likewise occurred to me that you might be Billy.
Mike
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for the immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but it's not so academic for some of us here.
Ursus,
Hyde can identify me if they care to. No harm, bodily or otherwise, has come to me. Emil posted his e-mail address here. No harm has come to him. There are several other people who are identifiable. No harm has come to them. So you're doing a satisfactory job of discrediting your own viewpoint. Trouble is, you're discrediting this entire forum, to the extent that you dominate it. The thought likewise occurred to me that you might be Billy.
Mike
Mike,
You could be Ursus and Billy. I could be you and I am having this conversation with myself.
I am the Walrus.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
I like the "save the whales" comment. Reminds me of most the women who work at Hyde
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
I like the "save the whales" comment. Reminds me of most the women who work at Hyde
I want to go to Japan and get a minki whale steak. I hear whale is quite tasty.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
I like the "save the whales" comment. Reminds me of most the women who work at Hyde
The headmasters are hot.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
I like the "save the whales" comment. Reminds me of most the women who work at Hyde
The headmasters are hot.
Wow, not really sure about your taste!!! A Cult member who leaves her kids for the week in order to bring in more money from one of the subsidaries.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
I like the "save the whales" comment. Reminds me of most the women who work at Hyde
The headmasters are hot.
Wow, not really sure about your taste!!! A Cult member who leaves her kids for the week in order to bring in more money from one of the subsidaries.
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Ah, Mike... Who is being melodramatic here? No one said anything about assassinations, at least not physical ones. You have tried to apply one of the more commonly used "Informal Fallacies" in Logic: Try to discredit an opposing viewpoint by exaggerating it. Have you been studying presidential campaign speeches lately?
I felt that it was important that this issue was aired, for immediate as well as preemptive concerns. Whether you get it now, soon, later, or never, or whether anyone else does, for that matter... it's really not a whole lot of sweat off my back at this point. Someone had to put the bell around the cat's neck, and I done did that.
The next time somebody trolls you looking for information, you might just hear that "ding ding ding" in the back of your mind and be forewarned. You might also want to spend some time trawling through the Hyde archives here just to get some perspective on precedents in previous years.
Cheers. No hard feelings, but the issue is not so academic for some of us here.
Thanks for the warning.
As far as Hyde being unimportant, you really can't tell who Mr Bear is. He might be Paul Hurd. He might be a she. Maybe he is Ms Grant. Maybe he is Gigi.
I see it as a save the whales kind of thing. Everyone needs a hobby. Mr Bear's is anti hyde posting. To each thier own.
I think we should have a Mansion Levitation day.
I like the "save the whales" comment. Reminds me of most the women who work at Hyde
The headmasters are hot.
Wow, not really sure about your taste!!! A Cult member who leaves her kids for the week in order to bring in more money from one of the subsidaries.
That's the kinda girl I like, out there willin to dig taters for the cause.
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
Hyde doesn't employ LSW or psychologists so you must be one of the amature therapists that extracts the details of date rape from 13 year old girls in group sessions Yeah that qualifies you to comment on the relative sanity of board posters
No, I'm no psychoanalyst, so I work from general notions like insanity is the inability to distinguish between illusion and reality. Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality. Please don't bore me with pseudo-intellectual yammerings about the demarcation of illusion and reality. BTW, you're wrong about me too: I'm as anti-Hyde as they come.
Well i dont beleive he was saying that he was an "existential threat" What would that be, pray tell? A cheerful fella telling you that life is not an absurd nasuea inducing emptyness. Total freak out!
I think hes a'sayin that Hyde is an organiization that is not above having "students" to give the good news about Hyde like our Billy here.
Why is that an insane idea?...not just crazy kooky cults but just about every busisness in the world does this sorta thing. Its called advertising. If you ever get a myspace account and as the "psychoanalyst" (that Im sure you really, really, are with no conection to Hyde either!!) you proabably dont have one yet you will find yourself inundated with people pretending to be someone they are not in order to sell you something. You can accidently download covert spyware which will be used to try to sell you something.Every time you click on website i gurarntee you in the background you will have some pop up oretending to be a free win to sell you something. And those are a mere 3 example of the millions of ways people are conned by nefarious and underhanded persuasion techniques. So, you thinking its nuts to think Hyde is above doing something simliar is in fact nuts. Hey, Im not just saying that as a profesional psychoanalyst either
And the final reason Hydeis not above that..umm cause its a cult that tortures childen? ...issues with ethical boundires not so superhigh methinks ?
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
Hyde doesn't employ LSW or psychologists so you must be one of the amature therapists that extracts the details of date rape from 13 year old girls in group sessions Yeah that qualifies you to comment on the relative sanity of board posters
No, I'm no psychoanalyst, so I work from general notions like insanity is the inability to distinguish between illusion and reality. Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality. Please don't bore me with pseudo-intellectual yammerings about the demarcation of illusion and reality. BTW, you're wrong about me too: I'm as anti-Hyde as they come.
Well i dont beleive he was saying that he was an "existential threat" What would that be, pray tell? A cheerful fella telling you that life is not an absurd nasuea inducing emptyness. Total freak out!
I think hes a'sayin that Hyde is an organiization that is not above having "students" to give the good news about Hyde like our Billy here.
Why is that an insane idea?...not just crazy kooky cults but just about every busisness in the world does this sorta thing. Its called advertising. If you ever get a myspace account and as the "psychoanalyst" (that Im sure you really, really, are with no conection to Hyde either!!) you proabably dont have one yet you will find yourself inundated with people pretending to be someone they are not in order to sell you something. You can accidently download covert spyware which will be used to try to sell you something.Every time you click on website i gurarntee you in the background you will have some pop up oretending to be a free win to sell you something. And those are a mere 3 example of the millions of ways people are conned by nefarious and underhanded persuasion techniques. So, you thinking its nuts to think Hyde is above doing something simliar is in fact nuts. Hey, Im not just saying that as a profesional psychoanalyst either
And the final reason Hydeis not above that..umm cause its a cult that tortures childen? ...issues with ethical boundires not so superhigh methinks ?
SCTG,
Your post is a bit incoherent. You say that you are sick of child torture, and then you defend Hyde. You tell me to trust in Billy, and then you alert me to spyware and Internet scams. Hard to tell where you are coming from, as it seems to be from opposite sides!
I was defending Billy against members of this forum who were treating him like Hyde spyware. Billy understands this, as you will see if you read on. I disagree with Billy, but I do not doubt his good intentions in defending Hyde, nor should you doubt my good intentions in criticizing Hyde, psychoanalyst or not ... not!
Mike
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
Hyde doesn't employ LSW or psychologists so you must be one of the amature therapists that extracts the details of date rape from 13 year old girls in group sessions Yeah that qualifies you to comment on the relative sanity of board posters
No, I'm no psychoanalyst, so I work from general notions like insanity is the inability to distinguish between illusion and reality. Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality. Please don't bore me with pseudo-intellectual yammerings about the demarcation of illusion and reality. BTW, you're wrong about me too: I'm as anti-Hyde as they come.
Well i dont beleive he was saying that he was an "existential threat" What would that be, pray tell? A cheerful fella telling you that life is not an absurd nasuea inducing emptyness. Total freak out!
I think hes a'sayin that Hyde is an organiization that is not above having "students" to give the good news about Hyde like our Billy here.
Why is that an insane idea?...not just crazy kooky cults but just about every busisness in the world does this sorta thing. Its called advertising. If you ever get a myspace account and as the "psychoanalyst" (that Im sure you really, really, are with no conection to Hyde either!!) you proabably dont have one yet you will find yourself inundated with people pretending to be someone they are not in order to sell you something. You can accidently download covert spyware which will be used to try to sell you something.Every time you click on website i gurarntee you in the background you will have some pop up oretending to be a free win to sell you something. And those are a mere 3 example of the millions of ways people are conned by nefarious and underhanded persuasion techniques. So, you thinking its nuts to think Hyde is above doing something simliar is in fact nuts. Hey, Im not just saying that as a profesional psychoanalyst either
And the final reason Hydeis not above that..umm cause its a cult that tortures childen? ...issues with ethical boundires not so superhigh methinks ?
SCTG,
Perhaps I was wrong to peg you as a total nutcake for thinking that Hyde is masquerading as Billy. But questions remain. Is it a PR ploy? I might venture to object that one satisfied customer hardly makes a successful PR campaign. Is it an intelligence ploy? But what, I ask myself, will Hyde do to, say, Ursus, if it figures out his identity? Pray tell, SCTG, methinks I have been conned by nefarious and underhanded persuasion techniques, in my oh so nauseous hell.
Mike
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I think Ursus hit a raw nerve in the pro-Hyde crowd. They sound pretty defensive to me. "Me thinks you protest too much."
He could be paid. He could be just getting "extra credit." But one thing's for sure: he isn't always "Billy" when he posts.
Yes, "he isn't always Billy when he posts." He's Hyde's secret weapon, and the anti-Hyde group trembles at his approach. And families line up to apply to Hyde. Come on, you guys, don't make me laugh. Billy is here for some awareness, and he's a lot saner than you.
Hyde doesn't employ LSW or psychologists so you must be one of the amature therapists that extracts the details of date rape from 13 year old girls in group sessions Yeah that qualifies you to comment on the relative sanity of board posters
No, I'm no psychoanalyst, so I work from general notions like insanity is the inability to distinguish between illusion and reality. Your perception of Billy as proselyte, spy, and existential threat has no basis in reality. Please don't bore me with pseudo-intellectual yammerings about the demarcation of illusion and reality. BTW, you're wrong about me too: I'm as anti-Hyde as they come.
Well i dont beleive he was saying that he was an "existential threat" What would that be, pray tell? A cheerful fella telling you that life is not an absurd nasuea inducing emptyness. Total freak out!
I think hes a'sayin that Hyde is an organiization that is not above having "students" to give the good news about Hyde like our Billy here.
Why is that an insane idea?...not just crazy kooky cults but just about every busisness in the world does this sorta thing. Its called advertising. If you ever get a myspace account and as the "psychoanalyst" (that Im sure you really, really, are with no conection to Hyde either!!) you proabably dont have one yet you will find yourself inundated with people pretending to be someone they are not in order to sell you something. You can accidently download covert spyware which will be used to try to sell you something.Every time you click on website i gurarntee you in the background you will have some pop up oretending to be a free win to sell you something. And those are a mere 3 example of the millions of ways people are conned by nefarious and underhanded persuasion techniques. So, you thinking its nuts to think Hyde is above doing something simliar is in fact nuts. Hey, Im not just saying that as a profesional psychoanalyst either
And the final reason Hydeis not above that..umm cause its a cult that tortures childen? ...issues with ethical boundires not so superhigh methinks ?
SCTG,
Perhaps I was wrong to peg you as a total nutcake for thinking that Hyde is masquerading as Billy. But questions remain. Is it a PR ploy? I might venture to object that one satisfied customer hardly makes a successful PR campaign. Is it an intelligence ploy? But what, I ask myself, will Hyde do to, say, Ursus, if it figures out his identity? Pray tell, SCTG, methinks I have been conned by nefarious and underhanded persuasion techniques, in my oh so nauseous hell.
Mike
What will Hyde do if they find out Ursus identity? The same thing they did to others. They will call or have someone call to see "if there is anything I can do to help you with your anger issues?" It is never about Hyde, it is always about you!! Remember, Hyde is always right. No point in trying to point out their faults and the damage they do to others. They are not interested in this kind of change, only interested in seeing you change your attitude about them.
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What will Hyde do if they find out Ursus identity? The same thing they did to others. They will call or have someone call to see "if there is anything I can do to help you with your anger issues?" It is never about Hyde, it is always about you!! Remember, Hyde is always right. No point in trying to point out their faults and the damage they do to others. They are not interested in this kind of change, only interested in seeing you change your attitude about them.
That's right; you cockroaches had better watch it.. mole
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What will Hyde do if they find out Ursus identity? The same thing they did to others. They will call or have someone call to see "if there is anything I can do to help you with your anger issues?" It is never about Hyde, it is always about you!! Remember, Hyde is always right. No point in trying to point out their faults and the damage they do to others. They are not interested in this kind of change, only interested in seeing you change your attitude about them.
That's right; you cockroaches had better watch it.. mole
Mole ... or bipolar bear? Whoever, he's taking us for a ride.
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Not me, folks... I eat those cute little crunchers for a nice afternoon snack when I can catch them... -Urs (not mole, not bipolar)
Just ignore the annoyance, someone's playing with you... ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
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What will Hyde do if they find out Ursus identity? The same thing they did to others. They will call or have someone call to see "if there is anything I can do to help you with your anger issues?" It is never about Hyde, it is always about you!! Remember, Hyde is always right. No point in trying to point out their faults and the damage they do to others. They are not interested in this kind of change, only interested in seeing you change your attitude about them.
That's right; you cockroaches had better watch it.. mole
Mole ... or bipolar bear? Whoever, he's taking us for a ride.
bi polar bear? Lets leave gender idenity issues out of this discussion, especially while I am wearing my wife's underware.
From a an undisclosed location
Emil
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Emil-mole? Someone really needs to clean up their mixed metaphors... HA!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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The killings today at Virginia Tech made me think of Hyde. I have always felt that Hyde is a catastrophe waiting to happen. It is just a matter of time! I am sure some of you others feel the same way. I remember how scary it was being in those dorms in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. Security was very lax in my day. Any crazy person from off the street could come into the dormatories whenever they wanted.
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Any crazy person from off the street could come into the dormatories whenever they wanted.
Not to mention the possibility of some one already in the dorms going postal... !!