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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 02, 2007, 09:14:25 AM
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For your viewing pleasure:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... b151-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/582/360/2005-582360395-02b8b151-9.pdf)
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Why did HLA loan Georiga Tent & Awning (Spooner's company) almost $93k?
$12M in revenue.... where did it all go?
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$12M in revenue.... where did it all go?
Take a look at (attachments) Statements 3, 7 and 11, where they are itemized and accounts for some of the detail.
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Ah yes, $1,002,902.00 in Management Fees paid to HLA. $840,070.00 paid to Ridge Creek for Wilderness Tuition.
Dental program - $51,542 - what is that??? $148,059 in Medical Supplies - Damn!The price of band aids sure went up!
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For a while HLA had a dentist office on campus.
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Dental program - $51,542 - what is that???
Dental program could be the expenses for employees benefits, BCBS. It could be out of pocket expenses for other dental expenses also.
or dental office on campus, Ha,Ha, (I just added this based on the above post)
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No, HLA used to charge students for so-called "Dental Exams" that they claimed were mandatory by the state.
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Who's Dianne Cooper?
Robert Spooner?
$1,562,395.00 to RC
$92,527 to MBA
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Who's Dianne Cooper?
Robert Spooner?
They are brother and sister of CFO, CEO Kenneth Spooner and are on the board of directors of HLF, Hidden Lake Foundation (non-Profit Co.) Same mailing address as HLA.
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Robert and Dianne are Ken Spooner's brother and sister. (For those of you who don't know, Ken Spooner is Len's boyfriend.)
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I love how Cindy feels the need to chime and try to explain everything about a school he knows nothing about.
The school used to keep a dentist on staff which the school charged a seperate fee for, later on it was determined they could make more money by firing the dentist (against state regulation) and charging 90.00 per kid to drive them to a dentist in town, which they again charged the parents for.
Anyone else find it odd that apparently no one on staff, Len and Spooner included are making more than 50,000?
The entire board is stacked with Spooner's family members, however according to the lawsuit their roles are largely symbolic as Len allegedly controls everything and has even according to the suit signed Spooner's name to documents.
I wonder why HLA would need to send money to RC since parents have to pay a seperate tuition for their kids to go there? Along with of course still paying the HLA tuition. Also where was all the money for MBA going since the whole thing just sort of fizzled out.
I didnt see any mention of the chapel fund on there, shouldn't that have been included for the year in question?
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The school used to keep a dentist on staff which the school charged a seperate fee for, later on it was determined they could make more money by firing the dentist (against state regulation) and charging 90.00 per kid to drive them to a dentist in town, which they again charged the parents for.
A point of clarification. Programs are not required by the state to have dentists on staff. If they are licensed, they ARE required to take them for check ups and for any problems that arise.
Last I heard, there were 5 kids at RC who weren't there from HLA. I'm sure the money was to keep it afloat.
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Unless things have just recently changed HLA students do not pay a separate fee for RCI. The HLA tuition transfers to RCI.
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I love how Cindy feels the need to chime and try to explain everything about a school he knows nothing about.
Oh back from commenting in the ASR thread,Bob?, Ha,Ha, ya got to love the double standard. Dead on the money though!
::bigmouth::
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A point of clarification. Programs are not required by the state to have dentists on staff. If they are licensed, they ARE required to take them for check ups and for any problems that arise.
Last I heard, there were 5 kids at RC who weren't there from HLA. I'm sure the money was to keep it afloat.
My mistake Deborah, I was looking at the requirement that mandated each inmate brought in and each one sent to RC was required to have a dental exam. Thank you for pointing out the mistake.
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Unless things have just recently changed HLA students do not pay a separate fee for RCI. The HLA tuition transfers to RCI.
Actually they give a partial rebate of one month but the tuition is still required.
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Oh back from commenting in the ASR thread,Bob?, Ha,Ha, ya got to love the double standard. Dead on the money though!
Cindy let's not allow your idiocy and self inflated view to derail yet another conversation. We both know that my comments regarding ASR or any other school are restricted to what I know to be true, you on on the other hand will speculate on anything and hope its taken as factual.
Do try to keep that in mind on here.
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Bob wrote:
Cindy let's not allow your idiocy and self inflated view to derail yet another conversation. We both know that my comments regarding ASR or any other school are restricted to what I know to be true, you on on the other hand will speculate on anything and hope its taken as factual.
Do try to keep that in mind on here
Well, do not troll then and try not to impose a double standard on others. Check your facts first before attacking someone else. You are attempting to derail this thread (read back a page or 2 first), stick to what you know and try to contribute. If you have a problem PM me, but it is not fair to others to start this, the topic is HLAs 2005 Tax Return.
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That's not what RB was trying to do at all. He was trying to point out that you (TheWho) chimed in about the dental clinic, which you obviously know nothing about. You also make statements that imply you have personal experience of what took place at HLA and/or RCI, which you don't since you were neither a student or a parent of a student there.
HLA and Ridge Creek both used to charge for what they termed "limited dental exams". RCI got busted for performing "limited dental exams" this past fall by ORS and had to stop this practice. (See the link to RCI violations and it will take you to ORS's web site.)
Another cash cow got slaughtered.
If I were an employee, I'd be pissed that my salary and benefits got cut when reading that tax return. Someone made a hell of a lot of money on management fees.
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Well, do not troll then and try not to impose a double standard on others. Check your facts first before attacking someone else. You are attempting to derail this thread (read back a page or 2 first), stick to what you know and try to contribute. If you have a problem PM me, but it is not fair to others to start this, the topic is HLAs 2005 Tax Return.
Cindy pay closer attention, I was discussing aspects of the tax return. The jab at you was just a fun bonus. Now please, youve been asked nicely. Do not derail another conversation with your "woe is me, I'm being picked on" nonsense. No one cares, the rest of us are set on helping kids, we understand that you don't give a shit about them but please don't interfere with others.
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If I were an employee, I'd be pissed that my salary and benefits got cut when reading that tax return. Someone made a hell of a lot of money on management fees.
Don't forget vacation cut and work load increased, not to mention numerous lay off's. Maybe we ought to email this to those staff members who are still hanging on in the hopes their boss gives a shit about them.
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I can just hear the term now: "Disgruntled former employees" ::roflmao::
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He was trying to point out that you (TheWho) chimed in about the dental clinic, which you obviously know nothing about.
Get your facts straight. I never mentioned Dental clinic a guest did, here look:
For a while HLA had a dentist office on campus.
I dont mind you disagreeing with me or challenging my statements, but check your facts first. We were having a discussion before this got side tracked. You want to divert another thread, be my guest (no pun intended). But I dont think it is fair to the other people who are trying to follow this.
Go back and read the sequence of events before pointing the finger.
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Honestly Cindy just stop, no one cares about you playing a victim. PM me if you want to cry about something, it always makes me laugh.
Now back to something that matters.........
I wonder if these totals include what the lawsuit alledges in HLA paying Len's personal taxes. Or the claim concerning gifts for ed cons? Or fundraising dinners for political candidates? Were any of those included in right off's on here? Is it legal to view a copy of his tax return? If not perhaps earlier years from HLA. At least that way we could determine just how hurting they really are.
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Thank you for being mature. Now to answer one of your questions:
Is it legal to view a copy of his tax return?
Personal tax returns are not accessible by the public, unless they are associated directly with a publicly traded company. HLAs past tax returns should not be a problem getting access to. If HLA is paying someone elses taxes that will show up on the HLAs returns, not sure what schedule it would be off hand.
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Cindy are you an accountant?
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Lots of money coming in from St. Francis Day School:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... 6cce-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/581/266/2005-581266732-02146cce-9.pdf)
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... e0a7-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/581/266/2004-581266732-019be0a7-9.pdf)
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... 32-1-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2003/581/266/2003-581266732-1-9.pdf)
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I am curious about the salary issue: there are none noted (all claimed to be under $50k). Yet under major contractors employed by HLA over the course of the year, one of them is noted as being HLA itself! To the tune of about a million bucks! That's like saying HLA Inc. is the school, and we have to file this 990 with Guidestar cuz we are a school. But we have contracted out all the work to HLA (no Inc., and not a school). HLA (no Inc., and not the school) is a for profit agency and not a school, and hence is not required to make its particulars public. Does that make any sense?
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So youre saying that a single entity is both a for profit and a non profit?
Hmmmmm
Is this legal?
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No... two entities. But both HLA somehow. They've defined one as a school, and the other not as a school. But they are both HLA. Very sleazy, if you ask me.
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Hidden Lake Foundation inc (HLF) is a not- for- profit corporation which Buccellato set up for the sole purpose of raising money for HLA. HLA is split between “Hidden Lake Academy (for profit) and HLA,Inc. (not for profit).
This is a nice way to separate the money (as well as many other advantages). Buccellato can receive management fees as CEO of HLA, Inc for managing Hidden lake Academy and keep this separate from Hidden Lake Academy fees and expenses.
Its legal, but you need a good accountant to help keep you out of trouble and insulate yourself against lawsuits.
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Or maybe an audit from the I.R.S.?
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Gosh and Len hates when those happen. I wonder who keeps calling the IRS?
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Why is the value of the loan from Leonard Buccellato dated 6/4/2004 originally valued at $1,088,114 on the 2004 return, but then in 2005 it appears the same loan has a value of $1,247,421? Does this mean that he's making interest off of a loan to HLA, plus collecting over $1M in management fees for HLA? Just curious how this works and if it's legal.
2005 Tax Return:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... b151-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/582/360/2005-582360395-02b8b151-9.pdf)
2004 Tax Return:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... 0708-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/582/360/2004-582360395-01da0708-9.pdf)
2002 Tax Return:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... 95-1-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2002/582/360/2002-582360395-1-9.pdf)
2003 Tax Return for St. Francis Day School:
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... 32-1-9.pdf (http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2003/581/266/2003-581266732-1-9.pdf)
On HLA's 2002 Tax Return it states a mortgage payable to St. Francis Day School in the amount of $368,073. But on St. Francis's 2003 Tax Return is shows the amount due on the loan is $491,507 - there's a ~$124K difference in the amounts. Can someone with some tax knowledge explain?
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Why is there nothing about the Chapel Fund in any of these tax returns?