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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 27, 2007, 02:58:12 PM
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how come they cant file criminal charges agasint HLA?
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Charges for abuse could (and probably should) be filed for abuses children were put through when they were put on Restrictions.
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It would be difficult to prove, hence why regualtion is such a good thing. With oversight and a means for the kids to report abuse it will be much more difficult for the child abusers to get away with things.
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Actually it would be easy to prove because all the kids have the same, consistent story about how they were treated and what they were forced to do during Restrictions.
Plus, ORS has a whole list of violations because Ridge Creek helped out with the Restrictions so it's all on record.
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Good point. Maybe some convictions will come as a result of this afterall.
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A whole new Class Action suit could/might be filed on the following abuses:
- Forcing children to perform manual labor (carry rocks, digging. ditches)
- Forcing children to pick up geese feces with their bare hands.
- Sleep deprivation.
- Denying medical care when children were injured and/or harmed.
- Restricting diets and limiting calories (aka "The Restriction Diet").
- Limiting or denying contact with family members.
- Verbal/physical abuses from counselors and staff (think Jim, Sir and Danny P.).
- Forcing children to sleep out in the cold without shelter.
- Improper and possibly illegal distribution of prescribed medications (or, better yet, let's just plain forget to give Johnny his medicine - he won't miss it for 10 days).
- Failing to report crimes to the police (Yes, a girl under the age of 15 having sex is considered Statutory Rape).
The list goes on and on, but the tangible part of this claim is every kid out there could/will testify to these abuses.
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A certain counselor (DP) is brought up constantly on this board for being a bad counselor. He was there for a while. How is this possible that abusive counselors are not discharged?
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Because they simply don't care.
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A certain counselor (DP) is brought up constantly on this board for being a bad counselor. He was there for a while. How is this possible that abusive counselors are not discharged?
Oh, they knew. They were just so desperate for staff they didn't care.
The most mind-blowing thing is that he QUIT and they hired him back after knowing all that he did. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THEM????
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A certain counselor (DP) is brought up constantly on this board for being a bad counselor. He was there for a while. How is this possible that abusive counselors are not discharged?
I don't really want to get into all of this, but I will say this...several students were interviewed about the rumors surrounding DP. NONE of them were able to offer first hand knowledge of anything he did. Nor could they say that they heard it directly from the person he supposedly abused. EVERYONE interviewed said they had heard rumors, but didn't know anything for sure. Perhaps he did do something, or perhaps people had "creepy" feelings about him because of the rumors. I don't really know. But HLA did investigate this and was not able to get any remotely substantial evidence about this rumor.
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This is all so sad..and there is more hidden behind the words in this list...the many broken human spirits.
A whole new Class Action suit could/might be filed on the following abuses:
- Forcing children to perform manual labor (carry rocks, digging. ditches)
- Forcing children to pick up geese feces with their bare hands.
- Sleep deprivation.
- Denying medical care when children were injured and/or harmed.
- Restricting diets and limiting calories (aka "The Restriction Diet").
- Limiting or denying contact with family members.
- Verbal/physical abuses from counselors and staff (think Jim, Sir and Danny P.).
- Forcing children to sleep out in the cold without shelter.
- Improper and possibly illegal distribution of prescribed medications (or, better yet, let's just plain forget to give Johnny his medicine - he won't miss it for 10 days).
- Failing to report crimes to the police (Yes, a girl under the age of 15 having sex is considered Statutory Rape).
The list goes on and on, but the tangible part of this claim is every kid out there could/will testify to these abuses.
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A certain counselor (DP) is brought up constantly on this board for being a bad counselor. He was there for a while. How is this possible that abusive counselors are not discharged?
I don't really want to get into all of this, but I will say this...several students were interviewed about the rumors surrounding DP. NONE of them were able to offer first hand knowledge of anything he did. Nor could they say that they heard it directly from the person he supposedly abused. EVERYONE interviewed said they had heard rumors, but didn't know anything for sure. Perhaps he did do something, or perhaps people had "creepy" feelings about him because of the rumors. I don't really know. But HLA did investigate this and was not able to get any remotely substantial evidence about this rumor.
Whatever you say Chris....
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Good point. Maybe some convictions will come as a result of this afterall.
danny perv----fuckin' shauvenistic pedophile......
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Why not just talk to the girl he supposedly abused? Or better yet why not allow an outside represenative to do the investigating. Maybe someone from oh I don't know....children services? This is exactly why regulation is needed so badly and why I'm so glad it's been forced onto HLA.
I remember "investigations" there. If the investigation was involving something a student did or you were suspected of doing it was all hot lamps and all night interogations. If it was something a staff member had done it was threats or coercion not to tell.
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Can anyone tell me what this is all about?
Restricting diets and limiting calories (aka "The Restriction Diet").
Was there a limit placed on the number of daily calories for all kids?
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http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... iet#184655 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=184655&highlight=restriction+diet#184655)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... iet#156686 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=156686&highlight=restriction+diet#156686)
Yes, they used food as punishment. While on restrictions you had a limited number of minutes to eat. If you didn't throw your food away when trash came by you were further punished. If you talked during the meal, which was taken outside away from the group, your meal would be taken away.
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Cindy why are you asking about it? You told me that you were well aware that your daughter was placed on the restriction diet while at SUWS, and that you were okay with it.
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Yes, they used food as punishment. While on restrictions you had a limited number of minutes to eat. If you didn't throw your food away when trash came by you were further punished. If you talked during the meal, which was taken outside away from the group, your meal would be taken away.
Seems like maybe a brutal counselor? it appears they aborted this practice years ago but still I dont understand why they would do this or what they expected to gain. Pissing the kid off more or having them malnourished isnt going to help things from an educational perspective or emotional one.
The head of the Nutrition Dept at my local community college warned that this diet, at less than half the USDA requirement for an active teen, was inadequate. While on restriction the teen is required to do extra physical training and subject to work details.
Actually that was my second question. A restrictive diet isnt necessarily a bad thing if they stay within the guide lines or under the direction of a nutritionist, but kids need a minimum number of calories to stay healthy and grow. As a minimum, restriction or no restriction this should be adhered to.
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No, it wasn't a brutal counselor - this was protocol for any kid going on Restrictions. (But maybe Len can speak about this better since they were his rules.)
No to your other question/statement. The Restriction diet was not done away with years ago. It may have ceased this past fall as a result of ORS's investigation into HLA/RCI, but ONLY because of that investigation.
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As to the "why" would they do this? Simple: break the kid down. Deprive them of food and sleep to force them to modify their behavior.
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No, it wasn't a brutal counselor - this was protocol for any kid going on Restrictions. (But maybe Len can speak about this better since they were his rules.)
No to your other question/statement. The Restriction diet was not done away with years ago. It may have ceased this past fall as a result of ORS's investigation into HLA/RCI, but ONLY because of that investigation.
Not true. The restriction diet was done away with at least a couple of years ago. But you are right in the sense that it was not done away with voluntarily. There were complaints to child services or some organization like that. Len was told he had to do away with it. It has been at least a couple of years, however, since it was done away with.
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No, it wasn't a brutal counselor - this was protocol for any kid going on Restrictions. (But maybe Len can speak about this better since they were his rules.)
No to your other question/statement. The Restriction diet was not done away with years ago. It may have ceased this past fall as a result of ORS's investigation into HLA/RCI, but ONLY because of that investigation.
Not true. The restriction diet was done away with at least a couple of years ago. But you are right in the sense that it was not done away with voluntarily. There were complaints to child services or some organization like that. Len was told he had to do away with it. It has been at least a couple of years, however, since it was done away with.
Where did you get that information from?
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Seems like maybe a brutal counselor?
No Cindy, it was school policy. Just another shining example of abuse in these places that is systemic and involving the entire school. It's too bad youre too stupid to recognize this.
Whether it was done away with a few years ago or not makes no difference to all the kids who were abused under its policies before hand. Quite a few since the change is fairly recent.
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No, it wasn't a brutal counselor - this was protocol for any kid going on Restrictions. (But maybe Len can speak about this better since they were his rules.)
No to your other question/statement. The Restriction diet was not done away with years ago. It may have ceased this past fall as a result of ORS's investigation into HLA/RCI, but ONLY because of that investigation.
Not true. The restriction diet was done away with at least a couple of years ago. But you are right in the sense that it was not done away with voluntarily. There were complaints to child services or some organization like that. Len was told he had to do away with it. It has been at least a couple of years, however, since it was done away with.
If it happened two years ago, it would have to be CPS because ORS didn't have jurisdiction over HLA then, only RC.
Were you there for the change? Did you see it with your own eyes? Was change made in practice or only policy?
RB, know any folks on MySpace who recently left who might speak to this?
So, what punishment replaced the starvation diet, if indeed they did away with it?
Brutal counselor? LOL. If you ever have the privlege of meeting an HLA survivor, just say, "Cheese sandwich". See what kind of reaction you get. Might want to have a barf bag handy.
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I saw it. For the past couple of years, at least, restrictions have been eating the same meal as the rest of the students, minus dessert. They have also been eating in the dining hall, not below the counselor building where they used to eat.
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I saw it. For the past couple of years, at least, restrictions have been eating the same meal as the rest of the students, minus dessert. They have also been eating in the dining hall, not below the counselor building where they used to eat.
Never mind, I found the answer. They shuffled it off to RC.
T 0204 290-2-7-.07(7)(a)-(d) Daily CareSS=F(7)
Campers shall be provided food of adequate quality and in sufficient quantity to supply the nutrients needed for growth and development.
(a) "Food for Fitness - A daily Food Guide," developed by the United States Department of Agriculture, shall be used as a basis for meeting these requirements.
(b) Campers shall have a minimum of three meals available daily and snacks.
(c) Menus, as served, shall be retained on file for one month after use.
(d) No more than 14 hours shall pass between the last meal or snack of one day and the serving of the first meal of the following day.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by: Based on campers and staff interviews, the camp failed to provide campers with adequate quality of nutrients while participating in the intervention program. The findings include:
1. During interview with 20 campers on August 16, 2006, 4 campers (#1,2,3,4) of 20 revealed Ridgecreek conducts Intervention which last around 3-4 days. In addition, campers #1 and #5 stated the camp will take away parts of the MRE (meals ready to eat) as punishment.
2. During an interview with the Director on August 16, 2006, the Director revealed Ridgecreek did conduct an Intervention Program for Hidden Lake Academy (HLA). However, the Director further indicated that this program is no longer active and it was discontinued in May of 2006. In addition, the Director revealed that there are no policies in place for the Intervention Program.
3. During an interview with the Director, it was further revealed that the campers who were admitted to the intervention program came from HLA and did not go through the usual admission process. In addition, when the surveyor requested to review the records of the campers that
participated in the Intervention Program, the Director stated that no records were kept on these campers.
4. During an interview with the Director on August 29, 2006 via telephone, the Director revealed the camp does not use food as punishment, but sometimes the campers may not like the MRE's and choose not eat the whole meal. ::roflmao:: In addition, The Director revealed the camp even supplies vegetarian meals when requested.
The surveyor was unable to conduct a record review, due to records not being kept on campers that went through the intervention ..
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That's absolutely correct - it got pushed off to RC for them to enforce the Restriction diet on HLA students who were put on Restrictions or sent off to RC because they were "stuck therapeuctically". (Translation - unqualified Peer Group counselor couldn't get a kid to make therapeutic advances so let's punish the kid even more.)
Trying to say is HLA had nothing to do with the Restriction diet for the past couple years is absolute bullshit.
YOU as a counselor/employee knew what was going on and YOU made the choice to turn a blind eye. Don't you ever feel remorse for what you put these kids and parents through? How do you live with yourselves knowing that every single thing you told and promised to do for these kids and their parents was just one big lie? Do you realize how many lives have been ruined??? And please, stop with the excuse of blaming everything on Len. You had a choice and your choice was to stay there and be a part of the fraud and lies.
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Your assumption that all employees turned a blind eye is a faulty one. You have no knowledge of the attempts to get things changeds or the reports made by the employees to outside organizations in an attempt to get things changed. There was much that went on by the employees that you don't know about.
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Your assumption that all employees turned a blind eye is a faulty one. You have no knowledge of the attempts to get things changeds or the reports made by the employees to outside organizations in an attempt to get things changed. There was much that went on by the employees that you don't know about.
You're completely anonymous here, and apparently are no longer employed there. What reports were made to which outside organizations?
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If that's true, then give us a list of the agencies/organizations that were contacted. We can compare lists of the agencies/organizations that parents and students have contacted over the years.
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That's what I thought - Put up or shut up. Your silence speaks volumes.
We call you to the carpet and you don't show up. What a shock.
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No, it wasn't a brutal counselor - this was protocol for any kid going on Restrictions. (But maybe Len can speak about this better since they were his rules.)
No to your other question/statement. The Restriction diet was not done away with years ago. It may have ceased this past fall as a result of ORS's investigation into HLA/RCI, but ONLY because of that investigation.
Not true. The restriction diet was done away with at least a couple of years ago. But you are right in the sense that it was not done away with voluntarily. There were complaints to child services or some organization like that. Len was told he had to do away with it. It has been at least a couple of years, however, since it was done away with.
If it happened two years ago, it would have to be CPS because ORS didn't have jurisdiction over HLA then, only RC.
Were you there for the change? Did you see it with your own eyes? Was change made in practice or only policy?
RB, know any folks on MySpace who recently left who might speak to this?
So, what punishment replaced the starvation diet, if indeed they did away with it?
Brutal counselor? LOL. If you ever have the privlege of meeting an HLA survivor, just say, "Cheese sandwich". See what kind of reaction you get. Might want to have a barf bag handy.
It was made in practice. For the past couple of years restrictions has been eating in the dining hall. They have been eating the same meal as the other students except for desserts.
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Your assumption that all employees turned a blind eye is a faulty one. You have no knowledge of the attempts to get things changeds or the reports made by the employees to outside organizations in an attempt to get things changed. There was much that went on by the employees that you don't know about.
We're still waiting on that list....
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It was made in practice. For the past couple of years restrictions has been eating in the dining hall. They have been eating the same meal as the other students except for desserts.
Was the descion to change something that came from in house or was it forced on them?
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This is hilarious! Do you guys really think the kids were starved? Let me guess, you heard this "from a reliable source." It's amazing how Robert Bruce, Dysfunction Junction, & Milk-Gargling Death can repeat the same things over and over to the point where they actually believe the delusion. Kids were not starved. They may have had an alternate source of food product that wasn't their favorite tasty treat, but all of their essential vitamins, minerals, and food pyramid servings were met .
I've been reading these posts for a while and commenting anonymously, but I'm now wanting to try an experiment to see how open-minded people actually are on this site. My guess is every positive comment will probably be met with being cursed at & slandered. Any negative comments I make will be embraced as a pig suckles its mother.
To return to the subject of this thread, kids were not starved. I'm not sure where you got this information, but it isn't true.
Love and peace to everyone
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Well I suppose it depends on your definition of being starved.
Before we get into that I wonder if you'll reveal your connection to HLA. How is your claim that the kids were never starved more credible than someone like.....oh I don't know.....say me for example? After all I was there, I did suffer through it, and I do say I was starved.
Who are you to try and tell me otherwise.
You let me know.
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you heard this "from a reliable source."
Now that is funny, FJ, you have been reading along for awhile.
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Why? Have we been wrong about something with HLA before. So far it appears all of our sources regarding information in HLA are reliable.
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Wow - I didn't know there was a Boston, GA!
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Robert (if that's your real name), you have put out so many lies, it's hard to tell when you're telling the truth. I know you're not right on this one. I think I know your real name, but won't state my guess here in case I'm right.
I'm actually very concerned about the amount of time you spend on this site. I don't think it's good for anyone to spend so much time in all this negativity. By negativity, I mean cursing and slandering others. If someone addresses a cause they believe in, more power to them. I just hope they can have an educated discussion.
As far as my connection to HLA, I'm curious to see what people to guess.
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Wow - I didn't know there was a Boston, GA!
Its been around awhile, Its near Thomasville.
Here check it out.
http://www.bostonga.com/ (http://www.bostonga.com/)
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This is hilarious! Do you guys really think the kids were starved? Let me guess, you heard this "from a reliable source." They may have had an alternate source of food product that wasn't their favorite tasty treat, but all of their essential vitamins, minerals, and food pyramid servings were met .
The claim is not that they were "starved". They were fed inadequate calories. That was confirmed in the last state inspection. Food is never to be used as punishment, even in parent-choice TBSs.
Eat american cheese and white bread for lunch and dinner for 3-4 months straight and see how you feel. My son became dependent on claratin and flonase. And, I consider my son a reliable source. His description of restriction diet has been confirmed by many ex participants going back to the beginning.
What's your connection?
Is there a Boston, Ga?
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Robert (if that's your real name),
It is.
you have put out so many lies
Really? Which ones?
it's hard to tell when you're telling the truth.
I always tell the truth, I used to be a boy scout.
I think I know your real name, but won't state my guess here in case I'm right.
I appreciate it, but I'm really not concerned.
I'm actually very concerned about the amount of time you spend on this site.
Why? Is this Mom?
I don't think it's good for anyone to spend so much time in all this negativity.
No one at HLA seemed to mind when I had to live in it. Why would you care now?
By negativity, I mean cursing and slandering others.
See the above response. When I was "cursed and slandered" by HLA staff they called it therapy and said it was good for me. I simply tell the truth about people and then you all cry about it. Explain the double standard to me.
If someone addresses a cause they believe in, more power to them.
Good so we're both on the same page then. My cause is making sure the truth comes to light about this place and doing whatever I can to prevent kids from being hurt by these places. Do you have a cause on here?
I just hope they can have an educated discussion.
Yes I'm sure that's lacking at HLA.
As far as my connection to HLA, I'm curious to see what people to guess.
Why would we guess? I don't really care who you are, just your connection to the school. You seem to want to pass yourself off as a reliable or credible source on information regarding HLA. An example would be Dysfunction being credible as a former staff member, Deborah being credible as a parent of a former student, and myself being credible as an escapee.
Thus we are all qualified to discuss matters concerning what HLA is/was like. If you have no connection to the school and still seek to comment on regarding things you cannot know then youre nothing more than Cindy.
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Deborah,
I know the story about you and your son. It's not the healthiest relationship, so I'm not sure what your son told you, but it's wrong.
I can't answer the visit from the food inspector, but they generally look at the quality of food and cleanliness rather than talking to students to find out what they're eating.
I know every report I've heard when the CPS people visited (I think it's called DFCS), I see they interviewed several students, talked to staff, looked at records, and didn't find any truth in any allegations. If the students weren't getting the right food, I think something would have turned up in their investigation. This is why I know you're son is wrong. I hope he's doing well. I hope you have a better relationship with him than in the past.
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Troll - please put out a good argument and know your facts before posting. There was no food inspector - duh.
So all of your information is second-hand because you were never there for the visits from CPS, is that correct? You also fail to mention how HLA cherry picked the kids that would talk to the investigators. Another convenient slip of the mind or is that your medication working overtime?
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Oh wow....this guy is going to be fun. I hope you'll stick around a little longer than Hunter Thompson did. Why don't you give him a call, see if he cant give you some pointers.
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Robert, Robert, Robert,
You know what the lies are. When you have a cause to fight for, you have to be truthful or people who have the authority to make changes won't listen. That's why the ed consultants and state officials ignored the letters that were sent to them. I'm sorry if some people called you names, etc., the truth is these were a few employees that were disciplined, not all HLA. That's the problem with your posts. You don't give the full story.
You're already starting to stew. Settle down. I hope you don't see me as that much of a threat. Would you like an e-hug? Better yet, go out on a date with a guy/girl, whatever your preference. Just take a break from all of this before you wind up an old man regretting the time you lost in front of a computer screen. Life's too short. I'm sure you'll get pretty angry when you read this. That's okay. I'm here to deliver what the counselors said is "the harder truth".
I'm looking forward to future conversations. Don't worry, I won't go away. This is too important and too much fun!
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As far as whether CPS or DFCS (whatever you call it) "cherry picked" the students, call them up to see if they can do that.
My friend who works for the state said they speak to any child who files an allegation and are able to question any other students they want. They don't give a choice. It wouldn't make much sense to allow a center to make the choice; any person with a brain would realize this would probably bias an investigation. Please call the state and ask about their procedures. They'll tell you the same thing.
The fact is, none of the allegations have been found to be true during the schools history. No one wants to point out this truth. They would rather go on believing a lie. Anyone can make an allegation over anything. Honestly, I'm surprised there haven't been more given the history of manipulation many of the students have. I guess that must say something about their ability to change at HLA. There must be something good about the program.
My source at the state told me the state will be licensing HLA within the next month. This is after investigation of records, facility, etc. That's why most of what's on this board isn't true, just distortion. Please stay away from conspiracy theories. HLA isn't powerful enough to buy-off the state.
Love and peace to everyone. I seem to be getting under people's skin. Trust me, I'm really not that much of a threat. I've found that when people start cursing/slandering another person, they are trying to suppress the truth.
Good night
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Deborah,
I know the story about you and your son. It's not the healthiest relationship, so I'm not sure what your son told you, but it's wrong.
I can't answer the visit from the food inspector, but they generally look at the quality of food and cleanliness rather than talking to students to find out what they're eating.
I know every report I've heard when the CPS people visited (I think it's called DFCS), I see they interviewed several students, talked to staff, looked at records, and didn't find any truth in any allegations. If the students weren't getting the right food, I think something would have turned up in their investigation. This is why I know you're son is wrong. I hope he's doing well. I hope you have a better relationship with him than in the past.
The more you talk, the more evident it is that you know nothing about anything, least of all my relationship with my son. Talk about slander.
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You know what the lies are
So there are none. Okay glad we cleared that up.
When you have a cause to fight for, you have to be truthful or people who have the authority to make changes won't listen.
I agree, I guess that's why the people from the ORS and DHR listened to us, because we were being so truthfull.
That's why the ed consultants and state officials ignored the letters that were sent to them.
I never sent ed cons or state officals letters, so I wouldnt know. I would however add that such people might ignore such things because they were perhaps in someone's pocket. It has been known to happen.
I'm sorry if some people called you names, etc.,
I'm not, it showed prospective parents exactly what kind of staff worked at HLA. You all cost yourself customers. Good job!
the truth is these were a few employees that were disciplined, not all HLA.
I doubt it, we already know staff was directed to flood this site, but whatever.
That's the problem with your posts. You don't give the full story.
Are you in a better position to provide more information? If so please do so, we're only interested in the truth here. You just have to make sure your information is reliable, not like your yarn concerning the dismissal of the suit.
You're already starting to stew.
Am I? Ive been laughing at you and Cindy alot, but no I'm not angry.
Settle down
Well to be honest I've got some money on this game so I am a bit excited.
I hope you don't see me as that much of a threat
:rofl: No I dont. I dont think anyone does.
Would you like an e-hug?
Sure. What's your email address?
Better yet, go out on a date with a guy/girl, whatever your preference.
Ummmm you may want to check with the file you all have on me. I'm married....to a woman. Remember you guys used to claim I never worked and lived off her. If youre into that sort of thing Cindy seems to be all over it.
Just take a break from all of this before you wind up an old man regretting the time you lost in front of a computer screen.
Not if it accomplishes something, which it has. I understand you wanting me to take a break though. Things arent what they used to be for you guys are they?
Life's too short.
I agree, thats why its so important we accomplish our goals while we can. Do you have any?
I'm sure you'll get pretty angry when you read this.
:rofl: Not in the slightest.
That's okay. I'm here to deliver what the counselors said is "the harder truth".
I sort of missed that while I was there, I wasn't paying attention. Can you remind me of what that truth is again?
I'm looking forward to future conversations.
Me too!
Don't worry, I won't go away
I sure hope not.
This is too important and too much fun!
You got that right.
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"Ummmm you may want to check with the file you all have on me. I'm married....to a woman. Remember you guys used to claim I never worked and lived off her."
Ahh, that's why you have so much time on your hands.
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As far as whether CPS or DFCS (whatever you call it) "cherry picked" the students, call them up to see if they can do that.
My friend who works for the state said they speak to any child who files an allegation
How do kids who are locked up and dont have access to phones able to make allegations?
and are able to question any other students they want
What about the kids HLA hides away?
It wouldn't make much sense to allow a center to make the choice; any person with a brain would realize this would probably bias an investigation. Please call the state and ask about their procedures. They'll tell you the same thing
Off hand do you know how many times theyve been out there? Also can we get copies of the reports?
The fact is, none of the allegations have been found to be true during the schools history.
Which allegations?
No one wants to point out this truth.
Which is what?
They would rather go on believing a lie
What lie?
Anyone can make an allegation over anything. Honestly, I'm surprised there haven't been more given the history of manipulation many of the students have.
:rofl: Does the staff at HLA have a history of manipulation?
My source at the state told me the state will be licensing HLA within the next month.
Yeah after they were forced to apply for it. Still burns you guys up doesn't it?
This is after investigation of records, facility, etc. That's why most of what's on this board isn't true, just distortion. Please stay away from conspiracy theories
An investigation which revealed they needed to be licensed as a theraputic boarding school. Nice job everyone.
HLA isn't powerful enough to buy-off the state.
Not any more.
Love and peace to everyone. I seem to be getting under people's skin.
HAHAHAHAHHA-not a single person.
Trust me, I'm really not that much of a threat.
We know.
I've found that when people start cursing/slandering another person, they are trying to suppress the truth.
I guess thats why you made the comments you did about Deborah and her son.
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Ahh, that's why you have so much time on your hands.
You got it. According to them I dont have a job and spend all day in my bathrobe. Not sure who they're spying on but I wish I had his life.
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As far as whether CPS or DFCS (whatever you call it) "cherry picked" the students, call them up to see if they can do that.
My friend who works for the state said they speak to any child who files an allegation and are able to question any other students they want. They don't give a choice. It wouldn't make much sense to allow a center to make the choice; any person with a brain would realize this would probably bias an investigation. Please call the state and ask about their procedures. They'll tell you the same thing.
The fact is, none of the allegations have been found to be true during the schools history. No one wants to point out this truth. They would rather go on believing a lie. Anyone can make an allegation over anything. Honestly, I'm surprised there haven't been more given the history of manipulation many of the students have. I guess that must say something about their ability to change at HLA. There must be something good about the program.
My source at the state told me the state will be licensing HLA within the next month. This is after investigation of records, facility, etc. That's why most of what's on this board isn't true, just distortion. Please stay away from conspiracy theories. HLA isn't powerful enough to buy-off the state.
Love and peace to everyone. I seem to be getting under people's skin. Trust me, I'm really not that much of a threat. I've found that when people start cursing/slandering another person, they are trying to suppress the truth.
Good night
No one said that CPS or DFACS "cherry picked" the students to interview - HLA cherry picked the kids that were to be interviewed and shuttled those on Restrictions off to the Chalet. (Don't try to say the Chalet doesn't exist - you can view it from a Google map.)
The allegations have been found to be true, which is precisely why ORS had to obtain a court order to go onto HLA's property - because HLA had too much to hide. Also, no one claimed HLA bought off the state - that's your distortion.
You're really getting boring with your claims of "my friend here", "my friend at the state", etc.... You might actually be credible if you could state something you personally know for a fact, but that's probably because you don't.
Just in case you need the link again to see all 33 pages of violations ORS found at Ridge Creek (most of which were against HLA students), here it is again:
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... SNHB11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP001022SNHB11.pdf)
So is the state part of your big conspiracy theory as well?
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Deborah,
I know the story about you and your son. It's not the healthiest relationship, so I'm not sure what your son told you, but it's wrong.
I can't answer the visit from the food inspector, but they generally look at the quality of food and cleanliness rather than talking to students to find out what they're eating.
I know every report I've heard when the CPS people visited (I think it's called DFCS), I see they interviewed several students, talked to staff, looked at records, and didn't find any truth in any allegations. If the students weren't getting the right food, I think something would have turned up in their investigation. This is why I know you're son is wrong. I hope he's doing well. I hope you have a better relationship with him than in the past.
FJ - Apparently I was also working at HLA when you were. Regardless of your past/current affilitation with the place I think its pretty inappropriate to bring up PAST relationship issues between a Mother and her son. Although, I'm sure she is more than able to defend herself. Pretty bold statement to say the kid was wrong! Ever heard of the word perception? Not to mention the fact the GA DFCS has been under federal investigation/oversight due to negligence for the past several years. How many kids have died in their care? By the way, are they still providing the same food choices for restrictions that they used to? Since you contend that cheese sandwhiches and soup was adequate...I can only assume that the same diet is currently in place? -Tony