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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on March 13, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
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Susan Skelton, after being given numerous court documents and rulings from oversight agencies delineating abuses at Hidden Lake Academy and also being informed that HLA isn't legally a school, responded by asking "Where does all yur anger come from? Can't you find something better to do with your time?"
Nope, preventing organized child abuse for profit is a pretty high calling, Susan. I can't really think of anything better to do with my time than informing consumers of Ed Con services that you refer to abusive facilities even after being well educated about the abuse by oversight agencies.
Susan Skelton will refer your child to an abusive facility even after being handed all of the evidence of abuse.
DO NOT PATRONIZE SUSAN SKELTON!
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any word on leslie goldberg? i dont know if she's still recomending kids to HLA, but that decietfull wh*re likes to recomend college-aged kids into "clean" programs like at santa fe U in florida. everyone smokes weed and drinks in college. she seems to think theres a solution. once a kid graduates HLA, he's too old to go into a high-school program. what if you make a program like HLA that has a college education (cough cough not) and send kids there...problem solved. untill you have severly emotionally traumatized kids who dont know how to function in anything but an institution.
fuck you leslie.
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Leslie has been informed twice about this problem. Once originally by Clark Poole and recently again with a letter linked to the court case, ORS ruling that HLA is a Residential Childcare Facility and not a school and to Bucci's statement that he's laid off half the staff and will lay off more and probably go out of business by month's end.
Are you saying this information hasn't stopped her from sending more kids to HLA?
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no, that i dont know. she might have stopped. i'm not making any claims.
but i do know she's just all for the money, full of shit, and doesnt mind sending kids over 18 away for an extra 2 years of institutionalization. and she's damn good at manipulating people into it.
wanna hear a funny story? i remember when a freind of mine's parents were reffered to leslie by my parents. the kid was not a bad kid, actually he was a very very good kid (the straight A chior boy type) and the parents were not looking to send him away to a program. they were looking for a more academically challeging school, where the kid could excel and get into a better college. he never got in trouble, nada, nothing.
that kid ended up going to an "emotional growth" school.....and got into a community college.
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I'd like to hear some stories about Rhea Wolfram (she's from Texas) and how many families she's referred to HLA. It's rumored she was also told about HLA over a year ago, but kept referring families there.
If you've been referred by Rhea Wolfram, please post and let us know what she told you about HLA.
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Rhea refered a kid in one of my PG's. He was pretty messed up when he got there. He did well at HLA, but struggled some afterward. He eventually got back on his feet and is doing well in college now.
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counselor reveal your name!
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Is Rhea Wolfram the one who referred P.K. to HLA? Too bad he can't respond because he's dead.
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Did anyone ever confirm what the cause of death was? Interesting note...The family asked for donations to be made to HLA in memory their son. They didn't seem to have a problem with HLA. I met them and talked with them on several occasions. They are a very nice family.
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Did anyone ever confirm what the cause of death was? Interesting note...The family asked for donations to be made to HLA in memory their son. They didn't seem to have a problem with HLA. I met them and talked with them on several occasions. They are a very nice family.
I havent been able to find any history of a death at HLA. Does anyone have a link or information?
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Rhea is in her 80s. She is an excellent EC and knows everyone in the industry. She has referred many Dallas kids to HLA, however. I think the school continued to hide the real nature of the place from her. I doubt she is still referring kids there. The same thing happened to her with Cascade. She kept checking out all the rumors and the school kept telling her everything was fine. She was shocked when the doors closed with no notice.
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Did anyone ever confirm what the cause of death was? Interesting note...The family asked for donations to be made to HLA in memory their son. They didn't seem to have a problem with HLA. I met them and talked with them on several occasions. They are a very nice family.
I havent been able to find any history of a death at HLA. Does anyone have a link or information?
There has never been a death at HLA. PK was a graduate of HLA who died. The assumption has been that he killed himself since he had a history of suicidal ideation, but to my knowledge that has never been confirmed.
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Did anyone ever confirm what the cause of death was? Interesting note...The family asked for donations to be made to HLA in memory their son. They didn't seem to have a problem with HLA. I met them and talked with them on several occasions. They are a very nice family.
I havent been able to find any history of a death at HLA. Does anyone have a link or information?
There has never been a death at HLA. PK was a graduate of HLA who died. The assumption has been that he killed himself since he had a history of suicidal ideation, but to my knowledge that has never been confirmed.
Thanks, Guest
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Rhea is in her 80s. She is an excellent EC and knows everyone in the industry. She has referred many Dallas kids to HLA, however. I think the school continued to hide the real nature of the place from her. I doubt she is still referring kids there. The same thing happened to her with Cascade. She kept checking out all the rumors and the school kept telling her everything was fine. She was shocked when the doors closed with no notice.
Then she obviously didn't do a good job of investigating these schools on her own. IF she wanted to find out these things, then she just needed to dig a little deeper. Stop making excuses for her and let her learn a little thing called "ACCOUNTABILITY".
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Right. Where is the incentive for Ed Cons to operate with integrity? They aren't regulated and have no legal guidelines to follow.
The one my ex used, Elizabeth Hall, knew NOTHING about HLA, or my son for that matter. Never even laid eyes on him. Made the referal 'based on the owner's reputation'. Collected her fee. What a scam.
Now, given that alot of these Cons began by referring to traditional schools/colleges and expanded into the TBS market, do you think they knew/know as little about traditional schools as they do about programs?
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Oh Deb...you just have your panties in a wad because you jacked up your kids and feel guilty now.
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Jacked up her kids? Do you even know what that means?
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Rhea has a lot of integrity and spends hours with the kids she refers (unless someone is unwilling to come in from out of town). The kids adore her and she cares deeply about them. She is not immune from making mistakes, and not immune from being deceived just as many parents have been (by HLA in particular). She is highly respected by educators from the non-help sector as well as the teen help industry and is known to thoroughly evaluate each kid. She does not charge very much and receives no kick-backs.
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Rhea has a lot of integrity and spends hours with the kids she refers (unless someone is unwilling to come in from out of town). The kids adore her and she cares deeply about them. She is not immune from making mistakes, and not immune from being deceived just as many parents have been (by HLA in particular). She is highly respected by educators from the non-help sector as well as the teen help industry and is known to thoroughly evaluate each kid. She does not charge very much and receives no kick-backs.
You are so full of crap. I personally know someone she referred and she had never met the kid - and, yes, this kid lived right in Texas. She spent ZERO time with him - actually had never met him.
Do you by some chance work for her?
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I know several kids who went to HLA that Rhea referred and she met every single one of them. I never worked for her, but she was our EC and I think very highly of her.
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I know several kids who went to HLA that Rhea referred and she met every single one of them. I never worked for her, but she was our EC and I think very highly of her.
That doesn't mean you know every single kid she referred. Did she refer your kid to HLA?
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Thats pretty standard throughout the industry, ed cons never meet or know anything about the kids other than what they were told by the parents. Once the kid is locked into the kiddie prison the ed cons see no further need to talk to the kid, after all theyve already been paid right? So who cares what happens to those little bastards. They deserve whatever they get.
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Jacked up her kids? Do you even know what that means?
Classic HLA. They love the Drive By attack.
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I know several kids who went to HLA that Rhea referred and she met every single one of them. I never worked for her, but she was our EC and I think very highly of her.
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Did Rhea know what 'restrictions' entailed? Limited calories. Punishment that could technically go on indefinitely for minor infractions or false allegations presented in fall out? How about the monitored calls and censored mail? Denying contact with parents/visits as punishment or for academic incompletes? Physical restraints?
Elizabeth Hall didn't.
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ED cons? sniggers..
Lord the work we used to have the boys put in cleaning the place up the day before ed cons arrived. You know it got so routine that my boss would send them to my campsite due to its cleanliness that it sort of got depressing when I realized later that had I left the place a total wreck more kids wouldn't have ended up in the program.
Ah well such is life.
Ed Cons have a lot of power over the programs. If an Ed Con sends a lot of kids to the same school they can get preferential treatment for themselves and the kids.
Once I wandered up to my campsite and found my group running around throwing rocks at each other and the counselor who was with them. They stopped the minute they saw me wander up and after I got them all circled up the first words out of my mouth was, "So you all want to act like a group of jackasses."
Now one of the kids says to his mom, "Mistha waygookin said I'm a jackass."
Mom complains to Ed Con and family worker. Ed Con gets on his high horse and goes bonkers. Because said ed con had sent many a students to the PRVB's kiddie slavery center he is taken more seriously than he should have been.
My boss said to me, "Normally I would just tell you to becareful what you say to the kids, but this time Mr. Jerk Off Ed Con is blowing a nut so I have to drag you over the coals."
Basically I had to shut my mouth and sit through a telephone conference with the parents, the ed con, the program administrator, and my family worker. The Ed con listed my many failings a human repeatedly, despite the fact that the kid's father said, "Well hell all the man said is they are acting like Jack Asses? I thought you said he called so in so a jackass?" The father then pretty much said that if he had witnessed the scene I had witnessed he probably would have taken a 2x4 to the kid's butt. (By no means do I endorse this particular method of child dicispline either)
Basically end result is it wasn't the best thing in the world to say to the kids. Yet It wasn't by far the worst and nor should my program administrator have made me sit through a teleconference with some ed con who was a total jack off making it out like I sung the Denis Learly, "I'm an asshole" song in a pink tutu whilst strung out on crack. For the sole purpose of keeping the jerkwad's business.
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Rhea would never have sent a kid to HLA if she had known the true nature of the place. It does make me wonder why she didn't get feedback from kids and parents about those things, though.
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Rhea would never have sent a kid to HLA if she had known the true nature of the place. It does make me wonder why she didn't get feedback from kids and parents about those things, though.
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Ask the 'several kids' you know why they didn't give her feedback. If they didn't experience it first hand (doubtful that anyone goes through without ever being on restriction), it's certain they witnessed it.
Could it be that those kids are under the assumption that she, and their parents, knew and approved? They do, after all, tell the kids this.
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Rhea would never have sent a kid to HLA if she had known the true nature of the place. It does make me wonder why she didn't get feedback from kids and parents about those things, though.
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That's not true. She visited campus, sat in Realizations and knew about restrictions. I don't know if she would say different or not, but she knew exactly what was going on at HLA.
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Rhea would never have sent a kid to HLA if she had known the true nature of the place. It does make me wonder why she didn't get feedback from kids and parents about those things, though.
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That's not true. She visited campus, sat in Realizations and knew about restrictions. I don't know if she would say different or not, but she knew exactly what was going on at HLA.
She know about the fun and games out at Ridge Creek with the consquences and such?
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Rhea would never have sent a kid to HLA if she had known the true nature of the place. It does make me wonder why she didn't get feedback from kids and parents about those things, though.
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She did get feedback. She also got information from at least one former staff member about what was really going on there and she choose to ignore the truth. Stop trying to make her out to be some martyr with the best interest of these kids at heart.
And answer the question: Did she refer your child attend HLA?
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No- she specifically said HLA was not a good place for my child.
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Why would an ed con sit on reals?
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Why would an ed con sit on reals?
I certainly wondered the same thing.
Seems to be common in the industry that these sessions are not considered confidential. They just trot any old stranger into the group.
They can be humiliating enough, without having spectators. It's unethical.
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Pretty common theme in the industry on a larger scale is programs toadying up to ED Cons. Must keep the dollars rolling in you know!
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Reals for the Ed Cons were always "dog & pony" shows. EVERYONE was warned to be on thier best behavior.
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Ed Cons are allowed to show up for the Vulcan Challenges as well. That blew my mind.
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As a former staff member I can say that having consultants in Reals was always something that was uncomfortable. It was a bit of a dog and pony show for certain. I wonder if there is anything in the enrollment package that stated there would be visitors in group sessions. I also wonder if this is a violoation of any state regulations. It is certainly unethical.
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As a former staff member I can say that having consultants in Reals was always something that was uncomfortable. It was a bit of a dog and pony show for certain. I wonder if there is anything in the enrollment package that stated there would be visitors in group sessions. I also wonder if this is a violoation of any state regulations. It is certainly unethical.
This is the closest thing I know of in the ORS regs:
(d) Children shall not be used for the purposes of soliciting funds for the institution, nor shall children be used in connection with any advertisement or publicity without the consent of the child and the parent(s) or guardian(s).*
They really need a section on Consumer Rights. Utah doesn't even address this issue. I assume they believe that the programs will operate by standard ethics of the mental health industry.
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I'm guessing they guessed wrong?
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(d) Children shall not be used for the purposes of soliciting funds for the institution
So I guess they arent allowed to sell of the kids artwork anymore then huh?
nor shall children be used in connection with any advertisement or publicity without the consent of the child and the parent(s) or guardian(s).*
I wonder if all the parents signed off on those pictures on the website? How about when the ed cons would come and the kids would be forced to give "testimonials" about how great HLA is?
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Rhea would never have sent a kid to HLA if she had known the true nature of the place. It does make me wonder why she didn't get feedback from kids and parents about those things, though.
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That's not true. She visited campus, sat in Realizations and knew about restrictions. I don't know if she would say different or not, but she knew exactly what was going on at HLA.
If she knew all this and still sent kids there she should be named in the lawsuit, exposed publicly and, in my opinion, caned in the town square.
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I remember the "big day" when all the Ed Cons came. Kids on restriction did manual labor to make everything look nice then they were hidden away.
I had to go pretend to be having an impromptu poetry read in the gym while they were touring there. Then we were sent back to Reals.
OH! I forgot this, but that day we had 3 or 4 strangers (I assume Ed Cons) sit in on our Reals and out of NOWHERE my counselors accuse my of being bulimic, which was bullshit and they knew it.
They had me crying, I was so frustrated at being used like that (guess it was a "slow news day" for my PG and they needed SOMETHING to talk about.)
So, I'm all indignant and honestly offended at this accusation, and crying from frustration, and some random Ed Con lady mistakes my tears of anger for tears of guilt and jumps in and starts trying to psychoanalyze me!
That was definitely a highlight of humiliation. EVERYONE but the Ed Cons KNEW I didn't have a eating disorder.
Their only "proof" was that I usually wore my hair down and then that week I pulled it back in a ponytail. Until then I had no clue that wearing your hair up in hot weather meant you vomit up your food... oh HLA, you taught me so much.
Oh yeah, as soon as the Ed Cons left the room my counselors completely dropped the subject of bulimia and I NEVER heard a SINGLE WORD about it after.
Being degraded, humiliated, and slandered for the amusement of self-righteous strangers and THEN being forced to perform like a trained seal for them... all to BENEFIT the place you would give your right arm to escape.... Nothing quite compares.
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It sounds to me like HLA and other programs were every bit as good at conning the EdCons as they were at conning the parents. Even if an EdCon visited campus and sat in on sessions and knew about some restrictions, that does not mean they had an accurate picture at all.
The burden of proof of showing that an edcon knew there was harm going on, or even that the program was not as represented, would be hard to meet. Especially if parents and kids did not give negative feedback to the EdCon post-program.
If Rhea thought a kid was being harmed, that kid would not be sent to HLA. SHOULD she have known? That's a different matter.
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Hell yes she should have know. It is her damn job to know.
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It sounds to me like HLA and other programs were every bit as good at conning the EdCons as they were at conning the parents. Even if an EdCon visited campus and sat in on sessions and knew about some restrictions, that does not mean they had an accurate picture at all.
The burden of proof of showing that an edcon knew there was harm going on, or even that the program was not as represented, would be hard to meet. Especially if parents and kids did not give negative feedback to the EdCon post-program.
If Rhea thought a kid was being harmed, that kid would not be sent to HLA. SHOULD she have known? That's a different matter.
People arent that stupid, they knew. My experience of ed con day is no different then marys. One big dog and pony show.
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It sounds to me like HLA and other programs were every bit as good at conning the EdCons as they were at conning the parents. Even if an EdCon visited campus and sat in on sessions and knew about some restrictions, that does not mean they had an accurate picture at all.
Then why the hell do they refer kids to these places?
Idiot..........
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Same reason why people participate in pretend elections w/ touch screen voting machines. Because the want to believe.
"You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is." -- Jerry, Corn Pone Opinions
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Here's something entertaining to read:
The Independent Educational Consultants Association (IECA) is a non-profit, international professional Association representing full-time experienced independent educational advisors. Chartered in 1976, the Association's headquarters is located in the Washington, DC area. IECA sponsors professional training institutes, workshops and conferences, publishes a directory of qualified consultants, offers information to students and their families regarding school selection issues and works to ensure that those in the profession adhere to the highest ethical and business standards.
Ethical Guidelines
IECA has developed a strict set of ethical guidelines that govern the actions of consultants in their relationships with students and families, schools and colleges, and with colleagues. These include a responsibility to understand each student's special strengths, values and needs, while striving to include all family members in the educational planning process. An IECA member does not accept any compensation from educational institutions for placement of a child. All IECA members subscribe to these Principles of Good Practice.
http://www.iecaonline.com/pdf/IECA_Prin ... actice.pdf (http://www.iecaonline.com/pdf/IECA_Principles_of_Good_Practice.pdf)
Also available in the Fiction section of your local bookstore or library.
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I remember the "big day" when all the Ed Cons came. Kids on restriction did manual labor to make everything look nice then they were hidden away.
I had to go pretend to be having an impromptu poetry read in the gym while they were touring there. Then we were sent back to Reals.
OH! I forgot this, but that day we had 3 or 4 strangers (I assume Ed Cons) sit in on our Reals and out of NOWHERE my counselors accuse my of being bulimic, which was bullshit and they knew it.
They had me crying, I was so frustrated at being used like that (guess it was a "slow news day" for my PG and they needed SOMETHING to talk about.)
So, I'm all indignant and honestly offended at this accusation, and crying from frustration, and some random Ed Con lady mistakes my tears of anger for tears of guilt and jumps in and starts trying to psychoanalyze me!
That was definitely a highlight of humiliation. EVERYONE but the Ed Cons KNEW I didn't have a eating disorder.
Their only "proof" was that I usually wore my hair down and then that week I pulled it back in a ponytail. Until then I had no clue that wearing your hair up in hot weather meant you vomit up your food... oh HLA, you taught me so much.
Oh yeah, as soon as the Ed Cons left the room my counselors completely dropped the subject of bulimia and I NEVER heard a SINGLE WORD about it after.
Being degraded, humiliated, and slandered for the amusement of self-righteous strangers and THEN being forced to perform like a trained seal for them... all to BENEFIT the place you would give your right arm to escape.... Nothing quite compares.
bump ::bandit::