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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 10, 2007, 05:08:01 AM
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I pledge, to ignore Milk Gargling Death Penalty aka Slicer. The Milk Man is counterproductive to the goal of this forum which is discussion. This troll wishes to eliminate free discussion and control the topics and what is said here. From this point, I pledge to either ignore Milk Man, or to hound him in the same exact fashion as he hounds others.
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Luke Stephens, aren't you going to post?
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yeah that guy is a total losers and scumbag... spends 24/7 on this forum.. :rofl: :rofl:
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If you want a laugh, go read a review of his book
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837)
This guy fantasizes about sick shit and comes here to get material for his horribly written novels.
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If you want a laugh, go read a review of his book
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837)
This guy fantasizes about sick shit and comes here to get material for his horribly written novels.
what a fucking kook :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: kinfey mcstabsalot :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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here is his posts at another forum
http://www.burnproject.com/forums/searc ... hor=Slicer (http://www.burnproject.com/forums/search.php?search_author=Slicer)
"slicer" ooohh I am scared already!
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I love it when he brags about his postings on this forum, to his compadres on his other forum... lmfao. :rofl:
http://www.burnproject.com/forums/viewt ... ght=#30436 (http://www.burnproject.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=30436&highlight=#30436)
Actually, Seijin, it was something you said that got me. You told me that I was aiming too low in the target list. I've found much bigger prey and I can tell you all manner of things you really don't want to know about.
I haven't been posting much here because no one else has, and I've had lots of other forums to talk on.
But since you love me, here's me wtfpwning some 9/11 conspiratards. (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=250042#250042)
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"Slicey's not trying to help good triumph over evil. He's trying to get his evil to triumph over the other evil." - Soth
"Slicer's not on anybody's team and vice-versa. He's a one-man wrecking crew." - Swoodey
"slicer is the person slicer had on the inside..." - GenericNickName
"Is being slicer a fetish in it of itself?" - Kron
Yeah man! you really wrfpwning deb up in open free for all!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are a tick, a leech on this forum that needs to be burned off before you suck all the blood out.
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Why don't you show us your comics?
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probably because they are horrible!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So sad,... really weirdo ex staff member, mabey consider getting a girfreind or something. I know Milk is a sexy young man..the type you weirdo staff people join your cults to "dominate" but really....
take a cold shower mabye?
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I love it when he brags about his postings on this forum, to his compadres on his other forum... lmfao. :rofl:
http://www.burnproject.com/forums/viewt ... ght=#30436 (http://www.burnproject.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=30436&highlight=#30436)
Actually, Seijin, it was something you said that got me. You told me that I was aiming too low in the target list. I've found much bigger prey and I can tell you all manner of things you really don't want to know about.
I haven't been posting much here because no one else has, and I've had lots of other forums to talk on.
But since you love me, here's me wtfpwning some 9/11 conspiratards. (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=250042#250042)
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"Slicey's not trying to help good triumph over evil. He's trying to get his evil to triumph over the other evil." - Soth
"Slicer's not on anybody's team and vice-versa. He's a one-man wrecking crew." - Swoodey
"slicer is the person slicer had on the inside..." - GenericNickName
"Is being slicer a fetish in it of itself?" - Kron
Yeah man! you really wrfpwning deb up in open free for all!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are a tick, a leech on this forum that needs to be burned off before you suck all the blood out.
i knew he was pathetic, but this is just hilarious!
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So sad,... really weirdo ex staff member, mabey consider getting a girfreind or something. I know Milk is a sexy young man..the type you weirdo staff people join your cults to "dominate" but really....
take a cold shower mabye?
you are going to have to do better than that to get some "wrfpwning " :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I pledge, to ignore Milk Gargling Death Penalty aka Slicer. The Milk Man is counterproductive to the goal of this forum which is discussion. This troll wishes to eliminate free discussion and control the topics and what is said here. From this point, I pledge to either ignore Milk Man, or to hound him in the same exact fashion as he hounds others.
nice little campaign you're running here. you're not ignoring him. you're hounding him. kinda like RB hounding Who, or you hounding RB about hounding Who?
spare us. you don't speak for everyone on fornits and it's very likely that fornits will never be what YOU want it to be. move on.
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i am guessing, you who posted that other pledge bullshit. it was you, wasnt it, thats why your panties in a bunch? move on, fuck you, until im banned ill fucking post all i please shithead.
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Three Springs Way Gookin aka Milk Gargling Death aka Dan the Chainsaw Man aka .....
His first post on fornits
His first post on Fornits:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ht=#115011 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=115011&highlight=#115011)
TS Waygookin
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Joined: 06 Jul 2005
Posts: 3191
Location: 5 miles due south of hell.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I was reading over this forum, and I was immediately impressed with the intensity of the posters in general. With a great deal of thought I have decided to post my own experience as a staff member at a Three Springs Facility. I was a counselor, Master Counselor C3, for nearly two years at this particular program. To be honest the more time I have spent away from the program, the more guilt I have felt for what I have seen, and further what I had done.
Let me start with the beginning. I had just completed 2 years at another wilderness facility. It was a good place, physical restraints were kept to a minimum. Verbal de-escalation techniques were strongly encouraged. The camp leadership had spent years encouraging the growth of a strong culture emphasizing alternatives to physical management. We routinely utilized the group process method of huddles to discuss issues, and sometimes did so for many hours of a day. Nonetheless, the camp's mission of character improvement for adjudicated youth worked well, and had results for kids who would have otherwise been thrown in a detention center. [Yet he now claims all programs are bad? All should be shut down?]
After my two years in the swamps, I moved on to Three Springs. From the very moment I made my counselor visit I should have known better than to accept employment at that facility. Everyone of my instincts screamed, "BAD PROGRAM!" In my 24 hour counselor visit I witnessed numerous events, and had a great many concerns. In a program that models itself on the group therapy model that uses a group to facilitate treatment of individual issues, they had huge groups. The groups looked shabby, and dispirited. The campsites appeared to be an apalling mess. The counselors had a far to casual relationship with their residents. Let me delve into the details of each item individually, starting with the size of the groups.
The group therapy model as I experienced it works best when the size of the group is between 6 and 10 residents. Two of the groups on the Three Springs campus had groups of 15 youths. What happens in my experience is that the size of the group makes for lessened experience. For example, the bigger the group, the less attention can be paided to an individual youth's issues. The smaller the group, means a lack of social dynamics to stimulate the youth's group therapy. The explanation I was given by the Supervisor on duty entailed lack of staff. Apparently the facility had just went through a large reduction of staff, and was so bad they had office personell covering some of the groups. This alone should have been a big sign to myself that something was truly wrong with this particular site. Well if you can't guess I didn't catch on, but in fact witnessed a great deal more.
The groups were sloppy, and dispirited. They were poorly dressed in dirty, and torn clothing. They looked depressed, and honestly like a pack of beaten dogs. At first I was certain they had were just tired from working all day. As I spent time with the group I was assigned to for the day a few of them informed me this was the way they looked all the time. I was immediately concerned. How can you expect a group of boys to feel good about themselves if they are dressed like a pack of bums? You simply can not! Kids in programs do not need designer clothing, but they do need clean, well maintained clothes. They need to change their clothes daily. I was told by a counselor that they allowed the kids to decide when to change their clothes.
With a bit of investigation I found it was not uncommon that a few of the residents had gone more than a few days without changing their clothing. In fact, some of them simply did not have the clothing to change into, despite numerous letters written to their family workers to get more clothing from home.
The one thing I know is that if you want to improve the self esteem of anyone its probably a bad idea to let them go a few days wearing dirty nasty clothing. If you want a kid to trust you as a staff member you should probably not just turn a blind eye to his lack of clothing. In the last program I worked with we were frequently told to make darn good and sure that clothing items were not an issue. We had an entire section of the camp warehouse full of pants, shirts, and coats for kids who did not have enough clothing. Three Springs unlike the last program is a for profit enterprise. If a kid did not have clothes, he had to get them from home, and sometimes that took months.
Not only did these kids look like a pack of vagrants they certainly appeared to feel like them as well. They looked shabby, they were extremely negative about the program, and voiced constant statements about the depth of their own feelings of worthlessness. This really worried me. A good counselor would have found activities to help these kids feel better. A good counselor would have found building projects to not only build something useful, but to build a sense of ownership, and pride in a group of kids who hated everything around themselves. Ok I do realize that kids, and adults are not going to be fans of programs, but I do know from personal experience the kids will begin to feel ownership over their own situation [Hmmmmm ?. Wonder what he means by from ?personal? experience?]. If that sense of ownership is inherently negative, what good is the program doing them? NOT a damn thing.
Their campsites were for the most part an appalling pig pens. I nearly refused to sleep in the cabin due to the stench. Apparently cleaning of campsites was to time consuming, and something they only did when they needed. Oh god help me I was so disgusted. Its bad enough that they looked like bums, now the counselors did not seem to care that they lived in trash pits? What positive statement was being sent to these children? Nothing that I could tell. The only thing they appeared to be learning was, "Look like a bum feel like a bum, then go to your campsite, and live like a bum." The real sad part was most of the kids seemed like pretty descent sorts. Most of them had substance abuse, and self esteem problems. For the most part they were a fun loving bunch of guys. The kind of kids who really could have benifited from a work hard, play hard mentality. They were lazy, but what the heck thats something you can unlearn. I frankly had a hard time understand why half of them were even in a program.
Not only did I have a hard time understanding why they were in a program, I somehow convinced myself I could make a difference with my experience. Stupid. I should have said no and ran away screaming. None the less I reported to work, and underwent my 100 or so hours of orientation training. None of which was of any use to me. I had already received 4 times that amount of training at my previous program. A program that prided itself in simplicity of the group process, rather than what I would learn would be the hell of individual consquences. I spent most of my orientation trying to remain in the full awake posture. Somehow I graduated orientation, and was promptly asked to work with the young kids.
Off I toddled to the young kid's group. I really liked those kids they were a bunch of hell raisers of the first order. Never a dull moment for that matter. However, lets discuss not only the failings of the program, but MY FAILINGS as a counselor. These were a group of young children ages 10 to 14. The previous counselor's had not done a good job managing their treatment in a very useful manner. I went into their trunk room, and found rat crap in their foot lockers, and under them as well. They had several bed wetters who frequently wet their beds, and nothing was really done about it.
The behaviors of the group was of course of the chain. In retrospect I should not find anything about what I went through very amusing, but its hard not to laugh. I had to quell riots on a regular basis. I was attacked by 10 year olds. This was pretty interesting considering I am 6 foot tall, weighing nearly 280 pounds, and an avid weight lifter. The kids frequently went beserk over the smallest issue.
None of this was a surprise to me, as I already knew that any new counselor faces resistance from the group. Nothing new, but what did shock me was the total sense of indifference from the administration. Worse was my on attitude. I came from a facility that worked hard to keep physical restraints from being a daily part of our lives. We all accepted that at some point it very well may happen. However, we all did our part to make sure they didn't happen needlessly.
At Three Springs I was involved in almost 200 full on physical restraints. No one seemed to be alarmed with this number, and seemed to accept it as part of business with my group. In the end I instituted several programs to reduce restraints, but received little support from the administration. Lets delve into my responsibilities as a counselor a bit more.
I let myself be seduced into a sick culture. I let my experience of one good program fall to the wayside, and became a part of the sick Three Springs Machine.
I regularly used intimidation to force compliance.
I regularly used physical holds when they were not needed.
I rarely used proper proceedures when conducting these physical holds.
In short I became an active participant of the Three Springs identity. I really should have quit the company at that point, and moved on in life. However, I though I could make a difference.
In the end my group of hell raisers settled down. We began to function, and have alot of fun. Almost everyone of the residents had some form of ADHD, and thrived when I put them all to work. I normally tried to make sure that they had useful work projects. Some people liked to give their groups these pointless make work things that as far as I could tell did no one any good. While, my group began to thrive with me, they still acted like maniacs with my cocounselors. No surprise, they simply did not have the established sense of respect, or fear of my cocounselors. I came back on many occasions to find my group in the midst of a major crisis involving pudding. My favorite crisis being a kid urinated on himself and laid in the middle of the trail for over two hours in his own pee.
Things like this became so common, no one seemed to be surprised anymore. Myself went from being idealistic, to a part of a jaded corporate cancer.
All this came to end. I was of all things fired. My adaption to the program was so complete that I did not notice the periodic change of it around myself. I was fired for giving out an inappropriate consequence. in short I had a kid do something silly to keep himself busy, and out of trouble till suppertime. As a result he aquired a minor abrasion, and I was terminated. I have to say under normal conditions I would have fired myself. However, from what I gathered afterwards, the periodic change, was just that periodic, and things went back to business as usual. Despite all of this my termination was the best thing that happened in my time there.
In my two years at Three Springs I went from a person who cared, to a person who cared in all the wrong ways.
I went from a healthy weightlifter, to a person who was simply an overweight stressed out person who probably hated myself. I nearly suffered a heart attack from the stress. I was on a prescription of Xanax. I pondered suicide on a regular basis.
I can honestly say in a warped way saved my life.
Now I have no Idea why I am posting all of this, but I do have something for the parents.
1) Programs are no substitute for parenting skills.
2) GO visit the Program unnannounced.
3) Here are a list of things I would look for myself:
1) Appearance of Facility. Do you want your child in a hobo village?
2) Quality of food. The food at Three Springs was not even fit for farm animals.
3) Overall Appearance of Residents. Does it look like their physical needs are being taken care of? Do they have clean, and maintained clothing? Does it look like their medical needs are being attended to in a proper manner? Some facilites are so understaffed this can be a real issue. Make sure at the very minimum the program has an onsite nurse. Even then some nurses are incompetent buffons. Look the kids over carefully, see if you can detect a perponderance of minor medical issues that do not appear to be attended to properly.
4) Require to see documentation about the number of physical restraints conducted monthly at the facility. If that number is higher than 2 or 3 for a program of 60, then start demanding answers. Is it all one kid? If it is whats being done? Is it a bunch of kids? Whats being done? If you do not like the answers, then LEAVE!
5) Look over the theraputic enviroment of the facility. As a counselor I had no problem making my kids work when they were acting silly. However, I do regret making them do pointless work as a consquence. Group Process is not a bad thing when conducted properly [yet they trash the Sudweeks for doing ?Group?.] . If a group is acting poorly and they are suffering from their own lack of good behaviors, then they are feeling natural consquences. Now if the staff is imposing consquences, then ask how are they LOGICAL? How does it connect the poor behaviors, with the consquence? How does the consquence help the kid move onward in the program, and in life?
6) Last DO NOT TRUST EDUCATIONAL CONSULTANTS with the future of your child. They are money grubbing leaches who we used to jazz the place up for on a regular basis. The Three Springs head honchos used to love my campsite, because I was so adamant about it being clean. Programs will bend over backwards to kiss a EC's butt. GO visit the place yourself!!!
7) Alot of kids have issues that can not really be fully dealt with by the individual groups treatment models. Check to see if they have more specific treatment opprotunities availiable. Honestly, would you expect a kid who was molested to want to talk about it with a group of his peers? Is not going to happen. Not in the beginning anyway, so make sure that the facilites have the resources to help your kid deal with these issues.
Last thing long term residential programs are a serious step. Not one is needed for every kid. Sometimes kids just really do need parents.
PARENTS CHECK YOURSELVES OUT BEFORE YOU CHECK YOUR KID INTO SOME WILDERNESS, OR RESIDENTIAL HELL HOLE. YOU REALLY MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE KID!
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where'd you get that? all of Ts posts were removed. you stalking him? was your intent to discredit him? you failed.
actually glad it's up again. great view of the program from an insider.
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i am guessing, you who posted that other pledge bullshit. it was you, wasnt it, thats why your panties in a bunch? move on, fuck you, until im banned ill fucking post all i please shithead.
You wont be banned here troll, this isnt ST. You can however have your post assigned to a user name so take it easy on the long winded conversations you have with yourself.