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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 08, 2007, 02:24:57 PM
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Hi Everyone,
We have just returned from our first visit at the RTC in Utah. What an emotional experience! We started off with a therapy session, met some teachers and off we went to Capital Reef National Park. My daughter had suggested it since they go up there with the RTC for sunsets.It was beautiful. We were there for 2 nights and had plenty of time to talk. My daughter was calmer, more outgoing, genuinely glad to see us and contributed to the conversation. She also took suggestions well. I guess some of that could be because she's off drugs (mostly marijuana 3-4 times a day). She looked good, had gained 15 lbs because she said the food was full of filler to fatten up the anexoric girls. She did eat alot while we were there and I think she would have enjoyed just vegging out in front of the TV but always got up and did what we asked. Now for the more disturbing news. It seems Amanda has no sense of family even though we are a couple who have been married for 31 years and raised 2 older daughters. My husband and I are attentive to our mothers and do many things as a family but it seems some time around the age of 11 her friends became very important to her (which is normal) but she completely lost the bond with us. She told me not to hug her and she didn't know why we were so concerned about her. She does know that families pay for things and she's good about asking for that but thinks she should do nothing in return. She hurt my feelings quite a few times over the weekend and one time when I started quietly crying she just stared at me with no emotion. I know we can't be close to all our children but the therapist feels she's still very angry but she's putting on a good show. She still blames me for everything (ignores her father). She gained the weight because I sent her there. She doesn't want to go to college because I told her it was hard and she'd have to study. She still thinks her thinking was clearer when on drugs. She still asks us for things constantly and our phone calls are spent with us saying no.
The RTC is very loving and open with no lock down.
She was busted to a level two 2 weeks ago and had no idea how many points she lost until she saw it in writing. When I talk to her about family, she says her friends are her family - even if they do come and go and have hurt her. That's alright because she can take care of herself even if she didn't do such a good job. She feels I judge her about everything. I can see where our relationship is going to be a big stumbling block when she comes back home. I told her I didn't want her thinking she could come home and just be a boarder. She asked what would happen to her then. I said it was her choice to become a member of the family or not. The therapist says we have every right to ask that of her (to be a member of the family if she wants to live with us). The therapist said Amanda feels she could not live up to our standards (no drugs, no sex, curfews) because everyone else she hung out with was doing that). It became very stressful for her to lead such a double life. I said not stressful enough that she would stop and he said at that point she couldn't just stop. She's been at the RTC for 3 months now and I do see some progress. I don't know what I was expecting. Any thoughts from anyone? Am I being too sensitive about the family issue? Am I expecting too much?
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Your answer. (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837)
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Knifey McStabsalot (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837)
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On the off chance.......
Guest how old is your daughter?
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Hello Guest ? One thing you should try to keep in mind is that each child moves along at their own pace. It is normal for parents to expect change but 3 months is a relatively short time when they are trying to adjust to a new environment. It may take awhile before she feels comfortable with everyone/thing around her before she can start working on herself and addressing her own issues, it can be a very slow process. I don?t know the specifics of your child?s back ground or the specific RTC but one suggestion would be to have your daughter see a therapist (one on one) as often as possible. If she is presently seeing one once per week increase it to twice per week.
Talk over your expectations (and concerns) for Amanda with her therapist. Initially asking for no drugs, sex and curfews doesn?t appear to be too harsh and she needs to live by the rules of your household. A parent needs to stand firm on this and develop minimum standards and make them very clear. Don?t make a long list which may overwhelm her, but rather a few that she can initially accept.
Hope things work out for you and your family.
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Nice advice, Who. If only this were a real person...
2/10.
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Even if the OP really is a troll, there is something to the idea of program kids having no sense of family other than their friends.
Seems to me that's a very normal emotional evolution when your parents have not only abandoned you, but have put you in a shitpit program that's designed to make you suffer for your past behavior.
Good luck rebuilding that relationship -- maybe someday when she's in her 30s and the emotional scars have mostly healed.
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Doubtful. I know for me personally no matter how good my relationship is with my family, they are the ones who dropped me in a abusive hell hole. My friends are the ones who helped me climb out.
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Even if the OP really is a troll, there is something to the idea of program kids having no sense of family other than their friends.
Seems to me that's a very normal emotional evolution when your parents have not only abandoned you, but have put you in a shitpit program that's designed to make you suffer for your past behavior.
Good luck rebuilding that relationship -- maybe someday when she's in her 30s and the emotional scars have mostly healed.
I think you might have been a bit premature in blaming the RTC for this. The girl was pulling away, lost her bond prior to attending the RTC. This will probably be one of the major issues the girl needs to work on during her stay there.
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Of course the guy who actually did abandon his child disagrees with you. Perhaps the people who actually dealt with what this girl is going through are better suited to discuss the matter Cindy. Why don't you sit this one out? Things were much more peacefull the 24 hours you werent posting anyway.
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No, making a good shank and planning her escape are the issues she most needs to work on.
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Of course the guy who actually did abandon his child disagrees with you. Perhaps the people who actually dealt with what this girl is going through are better suited to discuss the matter Cindy. Why don't you sit this one out? Things were much more peacefull the 24 hours you werent posting anyway.
Lots of people here disagree with me, doesnt make me anymore right or wrong. Personally I think the girls therapist is better suited than any of us......
Okay, Bob, dont troll up this thread....stay on topic.
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Once again Cindy, in your deranged mind a troll is a hero, so again thank you.
The therapist is no more qualified than you are to discuss whether or not the girl should feel abandoned by her family. The fact of the matter is that she does, and with good reason. Many of us who actually experienced what she is going through (not you) know what this is like and can relate to her feelings (again not you), the thing for the OP to do now is to try and one make sure her daughter isnt being abused (a possibility since Utah has finally started regulating this abusive industry) and assuming she isnt try and rebuild the trust she lost with her daughter and work towards making the situation better.
Since you never bothered trying to rebuild anything with your own daughter and she currently hates you I'll again state that you should probably sit this one out. Considering you have no frame of reference to go on and nothing to contribute but your own nonsense that would probably be best. I mentioned to you earlier there is still a conversation waiting for you on the Aspen thread. Why dont you run along and see what you can't do with that. Take care now Cindy.
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It's a real parent because I got this in email a couple days ago but didn't answer it, just gave them a link here. Not surprising if they left due to the response of the so called 'regulars' (even though there is nothing regular about you freaks).
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It's a real parent because I got this in email a couple days ago but didn't answer it, just gave them a link here. Not surprising if they left due to the response of the so called 'regulars' (even though there is nothing regular about you freaks).
Yea, thats what I was afraid of. Too bad the forum cant be used to reach and help more people instead of all this arguing and hatred. Hopefully they came away with something.
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:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: ::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: :roll:
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It's a real parent because I got this in email a couple days ago but didn't answer it, just gave them a link here. Not surprising if they left due to the response of the so called 'regulars' (even though there is nothing regular about you freaks).
Yea, thats what I was afraid of. Too bad the forum cant be used to reach and help more people instead of all this arguing and hatred. Hopefully they came away with something.
I completely agree. If the other posters would shut fuck up already, we could of shut down all the abusive programs already. Solved AIDS in Africa, cured cancer, and ended world hunger and poverty.
But alas, it will never be so. Why must you kill the dream? Why?
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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It's a real parent because I got this in email a couple days ago but didn't answer it, just gave them a link here. Not surprising if they left due to the response of the so called 'regulars' (even though there is nothing regular about you freaks).
Yea, thats what I was afraid of. Too bad the forum cant be used to reach and help more people instead of all this arguing and hatred. Hopefully they came away with something.
I completely agree. If the other posters would shut fuck up already, we could of shut down all the abusive programs already. Solved AIDS in Africa, cured cancer, and ended world hunger and poverty.
But alas, it will never be so. Why must you kill the dream? Why?
See, that?s what I am talking about, this is what we need...more passion...more dreamers...the sky is the limit. I don?t think we necessarily need to have everyone shut up, but if people could stay on topic more, maybe listen to what others have to say I think we could reach more people.
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You are another poster who sees the potential of fornits and desperately wants to mold it into their vision to help kids and parents. How righteous of you! You want to know something funny? That's the same goal as Milk. It's the same goal as Robert. It's the same goal as DJ. It used to be the same goal of TSW, he goes back and forth. Many more before you, and many after.
It's entertaining, but at the same time, sad, to watch so many people get frustrated because this fucked up discussion forum doesn't fulfill their expectations.
But, whatever. To each his own.
I think you are all don't relize how similar you are.
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Well said, Guest.
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Like someone said in another thread about love and hate being similar, or something like that. Milk, TSW, DJ, Robert, Who -- you're all so much more alike than you realize.
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umm as a program survivor i can tell you its pretty ridiculous to lump who and milk etc together. Until they start advocating abductng me imprisoning me and torturing me they are not even the same species
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thinking that you know somebody because of what they post on the internet is retarded. program survivors shouldnt trust people so willingly. gunna get burned!