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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 07, 2007, 06:52:30 PM
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Thank you, Maddox.
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Fucking educate yourself before you go around calling us idots. Please? You think everything's so fucking simple. Must be nice living in Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.
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www.loosechangeguide.com/ (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/)
Cut to very brief shot of WTC 7 collapsing., approx. 5:20 p.m. on 9/11. South side (left in video still), where most of the fire and structural damage is, gives first. You can see the walls cracking at the top left of the building. Conspiracy buffs hate to show the other side of the building which shows smoke billowing out of nearly every visible floor. There was an enormous amount of fire in that building. Here's a quote from FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro, who was calling the shots on the scene (quote not in video):
"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt." [Fire Engineering, 10/2002]
Think there wasn't an inferno in WTC 7? Click here. (http://http://911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi)
Then we quick-cut back and forth between WTC 7 collapsing and some building being demolished. There's no narration, just head-banging music.
He's referring to a Zogby poll THAT HE COMMISSIONED on the eve of the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York. Not exactly impartial. For example, one of the questions referred to "the inexplicable and largely unreported collapse of the third WTC skyscraper." The poll results showed that the less schooling people had, the more they agreed with the conspiracy theory.
Fish, barrel, etc.
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Early news footage actually showed the exec on the phone giving the order to "pull bldg 7". It was not then a secret. Now it is. For some damned reasonthe politicos have deemed it prudent and provident to pretend like they didn't do that.
Question is how come? Why would they lie? I can think of a few very sound, time tested Sun Tzu approved reasoms. Here's a clue. Some folk say that the Who is cribbing from the same play sheet. And some will even go so far as to speculate as to when you might finally figure it out.
But what do you think?
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Do you think I fucking care what people too weak to say things to my face think? The only real answer I can give to that involves spraying urine into someone's face. I mean I guess if they could go on as "Guest" and whine at me that way... oh, wait.
The poor bastard who used the words "pull building 7" is probably kicking himself up and down to this day for using that phrase. "Why, oh why, did I get stressed out and use intra-department speak on live television in front of all those idiots who thought it meant something nonsensical and totally different? Why couldn't I have just said "evacuate the firefighters" and saved myself from the nutjobs? Why?"
And seeing the conspiracy shit on this of all forums royally pisses me off, because it's an instant shut-off for people with sense. "Hey, these people are getting evidence on these places abusing children.. oh wait, they also think that someone used demolition charges on the WTC. Never mind."
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And seeing the conspiracy shit on this of all forums royally pisses me off, because it's an instant shut-off for people with sense. "Hey, these people are getting evidence on these places abusing children.. oh wait, they also think that someone used demolition charges on the WTC. Never mind."
I tend to concur.
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Fornits is the perfect place to discuss this. We tend to be critical thinkers and question when things don't make rational sense.
The poor bastard who used the words "pull building 7" is probably kicking himself up and down to this day for using that phrase. "Why, oh why, did I get stressed out and use intra-department speak on live television in front of all those idiots who thought it meant something nonsensical and totally different? Why couldn't I have just said "evacuate the firefighters" and saved myself from the nutjobs? Why?"
Just curious if you've seen the news footage on what he said? Why would anyone give the order to "pull" it if it was going to "fall" on it's own? Can you find anywhere in history where a building has been totally demolished due to a fire?
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 73b4254ffe (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=14531&sid=59bb0f9a5d241deef6f3b473b4254ffe)
Have all your questions been answered? If so, perhaps you could answer a few that some of us still wonder about. Like, who placed the put options on the airlines involved just days before the event? Last I heard the lucky winner hasn't stepped forward to collect his winnings. You can't make me believe that if the gov't wanted to know, they couldn't find out.
Forget the conspiracy stuff, if you can't wrap your head around that possibility... Aren't you the least curious about the 12 legitimate questions family members and others have been asking since the beginning?
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 6093059633 (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)
We want truthful answers to questions such as:
1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?
3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
4. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?
5. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
6. Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
7. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?
How 'secure' does that make you feel? Do you believe our security system is that lame?]
8. How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
9. What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?
10. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?
11. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?
12. Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?
Those who are demanding deeper inquiry now number in the hundreds of thousands, including a former member of the first Bush administration, a retired Air Force colonel, a European parliamentarian, families of the victims, highly respected authors, investigative journalists, peace and justice leaders, former Pentagon staff, and the National Green Party.
As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ffe#216444 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=216444&sid=59bb0f9a5d241deef6f3b473b4254ffe#216444)
And for the life of me, I can't understand how a plane hit the pentagon and there's no damage where the wings would've hit. Can you explain that? Or what happened to all the black boxes which are virtually indestructible. How did a 'terrorist' passport survive the towering inferno to land on the NY city street, when black boxes were destroyed? Why were all of the Bin Laden flown out of the country when there was a stand down on all flights? Why didn't the CIA arrest Bin Laden when they met with him, after the event, at an American hospital while receiving dialysis?
And those are just the questions off the top of my head.
Aren't you the least bit curious????
Milk, I can't believe you, of all people, wouldn't be asking the same questions.
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Fornits is the perfect place to discuss this. We tend to be critical thinkers and question when things don't make rational sense.
Correction: THIS FORUM is the perfect place, etc.
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Wow, Deborah.. are you a journalist or something? Where do you find the time to gather the info that you always do? (I ask out of genuine curiosity.) It boggles the mind! I mean, I know where you live in TX may not be the most happening place on the planet, but still.....damn!
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Wow, Deborah.. are you a journalist or something? Where do you find the time to gather the info that you always do? (I ask out of genuine curiosity.) It boggles the mind! I mean, I know where you live in TX may not be the most happening place on the planet, but still.....damn!
When something of this magnitude happens, or anything of interest to me, I research and study the available evidience, just as a journalist would.
I keep informative links in my favorites so they're easily accessible. That's all.
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Fair enough..
Too bad you don't get paid for it, eh? :lol:
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And seeing the conspiracy shit on this of all forums royally pisses me off, because it's an instant shut-off for people with sense. "Hey, these people are getting evidence on these places abusing children.. oh wait, they also think that someone used demolition charges on the WTC. Never mind."
Your page long rants about how Angelika is now in a liquid rotting state, or luke and paul characters telling relatively kind parents their child is going to kill them, leads me to doubt your sincerity about your concern over this forums credibility.
The most convinving proof for me that americans and bush and cia were not behind 9/11 is the fact they took years to start a war. If they knew it was coming, they would have attacked iraq, iran, syria and north korea the day after. They didn't use 9/11 for all it was worth, and now a new war is politically difficult. They missed their chance if that was their plan, which leads me to believe they didn't know about it. If they did, they would have taken advantage of it more. That's the most convincing proof their is.
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http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/1 ... ntent.html (http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/14340.content.html)
Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11?
Yes 89%
9447 votes
No 11%
1201 votes
Total: 10648 votes
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The average person doesn't know shit anyway.. so what? A poll.. pffft.
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Fair enough..
Too bad you don't get paid for it, eh? :lol:
That would be nice, particularly industry research, which is time consuming.
Here's a few more links, from sources I consider credible.
Rupert has a nice timeline, which sh0uld inspire more questions.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... _lucy.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html)
IndyMeida's coverage of the FEMA report on WTC7
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html)
A very extensive list of questions. Too many to ignore or forget.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911q.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911q.html)
Scholars for 911 Truth Petition
http://www.st911.org/petition/ (http://www.st911.org/petition/)
Radio Interview with Dr. David Ray Griffin- focus of talk- Why did WTC1,2,7 collapse
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007
http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?show=13 (http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?show=13)
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And for those interested, Dr Griffins total lecture is available on Google videos now. The other was only 40 minutes.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6688213413 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413)
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(This is my last reply to this topic- this seriously isn't worth my time.)
The poor bastard who used the words "pull building 7" is probably kicking himself up and down to this day for using that phrase. "Why, oh why, did I get stressed out and use intra-department speak on live television in front of all those idiots who thought it meant something nonsensical and totally different? Why couldn't I have just said "evacuate the firefighters" and saved myself from the nutjobs? Why?"
Just curious if you've seen the news footage on what he said? Why would anyone give the order to "pull" it if it was going to "fall" on it's own?
Read what I wrote, for comprehension this time. "Pull" did not mean "blow it up", no matter how many retarded sites copied and pasted from each other say so. It meant "pull the firefighters out, that bitch is going down no matter what we do."
Again, that poor bastard is probably kicking himself for thinking everyone else would know what he meant.
Can you find anywhere in history where a building has been totally demolished due to a fire?
http://www.chicagohs.org/fire/ruin/ruins.html (http://www.chicagohs.org/fire/ruin/ruins.html) maybe? Along with millions of wood buildings? How about Japanese wood-and-paper buildings after an earthquake? :roll:
Have all your questions been answered?
No! I still have one: Why are people nominally adults stupid enough to believe this tinfoil shit?
Like, who placed the put options on the airlines involved just days before the event? Last I heard the lucky winner hasn't stepped forward to collect his winnings. You can't make me believe that if the gov't wanted to know, they couldn't find out.
Deb, where the fuck are you copy and pasting this from? Check your own post below, question 5 in particular.
Forget the conspiracy stuff, if you can't wrap your head around that possibility...
See, it's this kind of smarmy bullshit that really pisses me off. If I don't drink the tinfoil-wrapped koolaid, it must because I "can't wrap my head around the possibility". Fuck you.
Here's a conspiracy: Some Saudi prince, who has thoroughly convinced the CIA that he's pro-American (an Illuminatus has a couple of agents injecting that into the info stream), is pressured by his friend (another Illuminatus) to work with Osama bin Laden (who, naturally, is under the control of an Illuminatus, probably the second one) to find enough lunatics willing to fly planes into buildings.
See? Easy. And doesn't require ridiculous twisting of physical facts.
Aren't you the least curious about the 12 legitimate questions family members and others have been asking since the beginning?
Nah, I'd much rather go back to playing DDR. I'm just doing this to humor you.
You want to know where I was on 9/11? I was in bed, my parents were yelling at me to come take a look, and I went back to bed because I honestly didn't give a fuck. Still don't. And I think if everyone took my attitude and the government just blew the fuck out of Afghanistan for revenge instead of doing all this whiny, we-really-are-terrified bullshit, we'd all be a lot better off.
1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
And they are what, exactly? Wait for demands to be made, as they usually just want money and political recognition? (Don't answer that, as I'm not coming back to this thread.)
2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?
Because the airspace over Washington is a crowded place, and nobody took a look at that plane until it was too late? (It was on the radar the whole time.) Because nobody wanted to be the first to shoot down a plane full of American citizens? Occam's fucking Razor.
3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
Because they didn't know at the time that it was terrorism? Because he was as safe there as anywhere? If the President of the US decides he's too engrossed in a book of his reading level to care about what happens to the country, and the towelheads don't know where he is, it's not the Secret Service's job to move him.
4. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witness every single day?
5. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
Because such a publication would reveal to everyone just how the government conducts this sort of investigation? It's common knowledge that a lot of bank accounts got frozen after this.
6. Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
Actually if you look up Sibel Edmonds, she's making a lot more accusations than that. Some of them may even be true, which is probably why Ashcroft ordered her silenced. Odds are, she hates her ex-bosses for some reason, and wants to say as much as she can about them in the worst possible light. It suggests the FBI is probably corrupt, but we already knew that.
Proof of conspiracy, this isn't.
7. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?
It was on the radar the whole time, they just didn't recognize it for what it was. Crowded airspace, again.
8. How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
:roll:
FBI: Hey airline, gimme names.
Airline: Ok, names.
FBI: Mmm.. mmm.. ok this one looks like a towelhead.. this one, too.. well they had to have learned where to fly SOMEWHERE, ok, flight schools, did this guy go to your school? This guy, maybe? Maybe your school?
It's called investigation. What the Feds did was pretty much the equivalent of a good Google search.
9. What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?
What was the exact text of those warnings, assuming this isn't bullshit? I somehow doubt it was "Well, at such and such AM, such and such person is going to get into such and such plane..."
10. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?
Uh, yeah. Confirm this report. I have a feeling the tinfoil hats got trolled again. Reminds me of the GNAA (http://http://www.gnaa.us)'s "JEWS DID WTC!" troll.
11. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?
Because it's not their job to deal with this tinfoil shit? Because some questions are too retarded to be worth answering? Because taking any of this seriously would only give it credence it isn't worth?
12. Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?
Because the Bush administration is corrupt and loves putting cronies in judicial positions? Hell, we already know that just from Bush's judicial appointments.
And for the life of me, I can't understand how a plane hit the pentagon and there's no damage where the wings would've hit. Can you explain that?
Because there is damage where the wings hit, lots of it? (Please don't reply to that with some retarded conspiracy site's smoke-obscured picture. Find the rest of the fucking pictures.) Because the plane came in at an angle? Those things sliced right into the walls, the thin aluminum often being stopped by the reinforced supports but continuing where the supports weren't. There was a big special about this on the Discovery Channel. Basically the wings were cut to ribbons but their shrapnel blew holes in everything anyway.
Or what happened to all the black boxes which are virtually indestructible.
Key word here: "Virtually"
At the Pentagon and Flight 93, they got recovered.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/sep ... _9-14.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/september01/wash_9-14.html)
(man, Google needs a better crap filter here..)
How did a 'terrorist' passport survive the towering inferno to land on the NY city street, when black boxes were destroyed?
There's this thing called momentum? Unpredictability in explosions, maybe?
What, do you think the thing just fell out of the plane, to gently flutter to the ground, conveniently exposed for all to see? Hell no. It was probably in the terrorist's back pocket, falling to the ground, insulated by a large chunk of warm, juicy terrorist, found by some lucky, exhausted FBI agent. "I've got something here! I just have to wash it off.."
Why were all of the Bin Laden flown out of the country when there was a stand down on all flights?
Someone bin Laden: Holy shit, that was my [brother|uncle|cousin] who did that!!
US Govt: Yeah, and now you're in danger of serious reprisals. Look, we're not about to give you any security because the American people would think we're helping their enemies. How about we just get you the hell out of here until things cool off?
Someone bin Laden: Sounds like a plan- let's roll.
Why didn't the CIA arrest Bin Laden when they met with him, after the event, at an American hospital while receiving dialysis?
Proof this actually happened? The only credible report I can find puts bin Laden in a Pakistani hospital, not an American one.
Aren't you the least bit curious????
No more curious than I am about the reports coming out of Area 51.
Milk, I can't believe you, of all people, wouldn't be asking the same questions.
I've just had my intelligence insulted.
This whole thing is fucking ridiculous.
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Might you consider removing or replacing the picture you posted in HLA depicting those taking action against HLA as vultures, and HLA as a helpless victim of circumstances? It's really not appropriate or accurate.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... 56f#249695 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=249695&sid=e81afb237e0ae48d17a1f1ac5b87956f#249695)
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You're off topic, Deborah.
(This thread is about conspiracies and conspiracy nuts.)