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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 23, 2007, 04:09:00 AM
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Mom and dad discovered some pot in my possession, and after beatings, groundings, and various other abusings, they hit on the idea of sending me to boarding school. They kept banging the gong of my so-called "drug problem" to justify their increasingly abusive overreaction. Things being totally unbearable at home, I left for boarding school all too willingly. First stop was Wayland Academy, which expelled me after a semester on suspicion of marijuana use, but agreed to readmit me the following year! I completed the second semester of my freshman year at Lake Forest Academy and returned the following year to Wayland. At the end of my second year I was informed that I would not be readmitted to Wayland, on grounds of another unsubstantiated charge of marijuana use. I felt unwelcome at home, and so I accepted a friend's invitation to stay with him and his family in Aspen, Colorado, for the summer. Meanwhile, mom and dad had discovered Hyde, a weird cult-like school that applied coercive behavior modification techniques, where I spent my junior and senior years. After four years of incompetent, stupid, and downright criminal treatment at the hands of a band of truly nutty adults, I graduated from high school in 1977.
Later I discovered that my father had smoked hash in Amsterdam.
Mike
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Mom and dad discovered some pot in my possession, and after beatings, groundings, and various other abusings, they hit on the idea of sending me to boarding school. They kept banging the gong of my so-called "drug problem" to justify their increasingly abusive overreaction. Things being totally unbearable at home, I left for boarding school all too willingly. First stop was Wayland Academy, which expelled me after a semester on suspicion of marijuana use, but agreed to readmit me the following year! I completed the second semester of my freshman year at Lake Forest Academy and returned the following year to Wayland. At the end of my second year I was informed that I would not be readmitted to Wayland, on grounds of another unsubstantiated charge of marijuana use. I felt unwelcome at home, and so I accepted a friend's invitation to stay with him and his family in Aspen, Colorado, for the summer. Meanwhile, mom and dad had discovered Hyde, a weird cult-like school that applied coercive behavior modification techniques, where I spent my junior and senior years. After four years of incompetent, stupid, and downright criminal treatment at the hands of a band of truly nutty adults, I graduated from high school in 1977.
Later I discovered that my father had smoked hash in Amsterdam.
Mike
What sort of "cult-like" and "coercive behavior modification techniques" did you encounter at Hyde? It would be interesting to compare your experience with what's going on at Hyde currently. I continue to learn about cult-like and coercive behavior modification techniques at Hyde. Have things changed over all these years, or not?
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Mom and dad discovered some pot in my possession, and after beatings, groundings, and various other abusings, they hit on the idea of sending me to boarding school. They kept banging the gong of my so-called "drug problem" to justify their increasingly abusive overreaction. Things being totally unbearable at home, I left for boarding school all too willingly. First stop was Wayland Academy, which expelled me after a semester on suspicion of marijuana use, but agreed to readmit me the following year! I completed the second semester of my freshman year at Lake Forest Academy and returned the following year to Wayland. At the end of my second year I was informed that I would not be readmitted to Wayland, on grounds of another unsubstantiated charge of marijuana use. I felt unwelcome at home, and so I accepted a friend's invitation to stay with him and his family in Aspen, Colorado, for the summer. Meanwhile, mom and dad had discovered Hyde, a weird cult-like school that applied coercive behavior modification techniques, where I spent my junior and senior years. After four years of incompetent, stupid, and downright criminal treatment at the hands of a band of truly nutty adults, I graduated from high school in 1977.
Later I discovered that my father had smoked hash in Amsterdam.
Mike
What sort of "cult-like" and "coercive behavior modification techniques" did you encounter at Hyde? It would be interesting to compare your experience with what's going on at Hyde currently. I continue to learn about cult-like and coercive behavior modification techniques at Hyde. Have things changed over all these years, or not?
I was there at the same time as Mike. We had the seminars where you had to reveal intimate personal secrets. And then there were the Community meeting head shaping sections. There was the Hitler Youth, turn in your buddy, program. There was forced menial labor if you did not comply. Coercive is a fair and objective term for the program.
Emil Nightrate
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Mom and dad discovered some pot in my possession, and after beatings, groundings, and various other abusings, they hit on the idea of sending me to boarding school. They kept banging the gong of my so-called "drug problem" to justify their increasingly abusive overreaction. Things being totally unbearable at home, I left for boarding school all too willingly. First stop was Wayland Academy, which expelled me after a semester on suspicion of marijuana use, but agreed to readmit me the following year! I completed the second semester of my freshman year at Lake Forest Academy and returned the following year to Wayland. At the end of my second year I was informed that I would not be readmitted to Wayland, on grounds of another unsubstantiated charge of marijuana use. I felt unwelcome at home, and so I accepted a friend's invitation to stay with him and his family in Aspen, Colorado, for the summer. Meanwhile, mom and dad had discovered Hyde, a weird cult-like school that applied coercive behavior modification techniques, where I spent my junior and senior years. After four years of incompetent, stupid, and downright criminal treatment at the hands of a band of truly nutty adults, I graduated from high school in 1977.
Later I discovered that my father had smoked hash in Amsterdam.
Mike
What sort of "cult-like" and "coercive behavior modification techniques" did you encounter at Hyde? It would be interesting to compare your experience with what's going on at Hyde currently. I continue to learn about cult-like and coercive behavior modification techniques at Hyde. Have things changed over all these years, or not?
I encountered coercive behavior modification techniques in Hyde seminars. These seminars were only designed to make us "invest" in the process. Once we spill our guts, we've made another investment, we've lost a few more little secrets that define us as individuals, we've handed our identity over to the group, and taken another little step toward becoming Hyde groupies. The more we share, the more committed to Hyde we are. I believe that's the rationale behind it. All of Hyde's activities, without exception, are based on that sort of group dynamic, even the academics.
From Hyde's point of view, it is imperative that we not have an identity that is not part of the group. It is imperative that we tear down the barriers between the ego and the group. Then our behavior can be modified as a group, as Hyde sees fit.
The purpose of the seminars is not therapeutic, it's coercive. If Hyde seminars were really intended to be therapeutic, they would help us with our underlying problems. Now, I came to Hyde with some family problems so repressed that I did not even know they were there. These were "ticking time bombs," which eventually did go off, to devastating effect. Hyde seminars didn't --- couldn't --- help me with these sorts of problems, of which I was unaware.
Therapeutic or coercive? Hyde's facilitators are not sensitive and competent psychologists. They are from the Inquisition.
Hyde's coercive behavior modification techniques cannot but fail to do harm, particularly to students. Their ability to think critically and independently is inhibited at a period in their development when it needs most to be exercised. Precisely at the age when they have to make their most important choices --- college, major, marriage, career --- it dawns on many of them that they have been unfitted to do so. I know of one Hyde graduate who relapsed into self-destructive behavior following graduation day when the artificial Hyde decision-making apparatus --- the "scaffolding" --- was removed. Did Hyde disavow responsibility for her, saying that she simply failed to internalize Hyde values? How cynical if so! Is it any surprise that a student denied an opportunity to think and decide for herself for five years should fail in an independent setting? At least Hyde dedicated a memorial stone to her.
I say that Hyde is a cult because students, parents, administration, faculty, and board of governors are under one man's dominion.
Mike
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Mom and dad discovered some pot in my possession, and after beatings, groundings, and various other abusings, they hit on the idea of sending me to boarding school. They kept banging the gong of my so-called "drug problem" to justify their increasingly abusive overreaction. Things being totally unbearable at home, I left for boarding school all too willingly. First stop was Wayland Academy, which expelled me after a semester on suspicion of marijuana use, but agreed to readmit me the following year! I completed the second semester of my freshman year at Lake Forest Academy and returned the following year to Wayland. At the end of my second year I was informed that I would not be readmitted to Wayland, on grounds of another unsubstantiated charge of marijuana use. I felt unwelcome at home, and so I accepted a friend's invitation to stay with him and his family in Aspen, Colorado, for the summer. Meanwhile, mom and dad had discovered Hyde, a weird cult-like school that applied coercive behavior modification techniques, where I spent my junior and senior years. After four years of incompetent, stupid, and downright criminal treatment at the hands of a band of truly nutty adults, I graduated from high school in 1977.
Later I discovered that my father had smoked hash in Amsterdam.
Mike
What sort of "cult-like" and "coercive behavior modification techniques" did you encounter at Hyde? It would be interesting to compare your experience with what's going on at Hyde currently. I continue to learn about cult-like and coercive behavior modification techniques at Hyde. Have things changed over all these years, or not?
I encountered coercive behavior modification techniques in Hyde seminars. These seminars were only designed to make us "invest" in the process. Once we spill our guts, we've made another investment, we've lost a few more little secrets that define us as individuals, we've handed our identity over to the group, and taken another little step toward becoming Hyde groupies. The more we share, the more committed to Hyde we are. I believe that's the rationale behind it. All of Hyde's activities, without exception, are based on that sort of group dynamic, even the academics.
From Hyde's point of view, it is imperative that we not have an identity that is not part of the group. It is imperative that we tear down the barriers between the ego and the group. Then our behavior can be modified as a group, as Hyde sees fit.
The purpose of the seminars is not therapeutic, it's coercive. If Hyde seminars were really intended to be therapeutic, they would help us with our underlying problems. Now, I came to Hyde with some family problems so repressed that I did not even know they were there. These were "ticking time bombs," which eventually did go off, to devastating effect. Hyde seminars didn't --- couldn't --- help me with these sorts of problems, of which I was unaware.
Therapeutic or coercive? Hyde's facilitators are not sensitive and competent psychologists. They are from the Inquisition.
Hyde's coercive behavior modification techniques cannot but fail to do harm, particularly to students. Their ability to think critically and independently is inhibited at a period in their development when it needs most to be exercised. Precisely at the age when they have to make their most important choices --- college, major, marriage, career --- it dawns on many of them that they have been unfitted to do so. I know of one Hyde graduate who relapsed into self-destructive behavior following graduation day when the artificial Hyde decision-making apparatus --- the "scaffolding" --- was removed. Did Hyde disavow responsibility for her, saying that she simply failed to internalize Hyde values? How cynical if so! Is it any surprise that a student denied an opportunity to think and decide for herself for five years should fail in an independent setting? At least Hyde dedicated a memorial stone to her.
I say that Hyde is a cult because students, parents, administration, faculty, and board of governors are under one man's dominion.
Mike
I'm curious to know when you were at Hyde. Which campus?
I was there just a couple of years ago and your description seems very current. I was astonished by the group pressure tactics and the seminars where there was a clear expectation that people would spill their guts. It's fine with me to have group discussions where people feel comfortable talking about their issues and challenges. But there was something terribly coercive about the Hyde environment. What was especially troubling was seeing how many group members dissolved and "lost it" during seminars and how unable the incompetent, untrained staff were to clean up the mess.
I feel badly that I even attended those emotional gang rapes, not that I had much choice. I did my best not to pile on and go after group members. But I feel dirty just having been a witness to those shameful events. Not everyone in the seminars left scarred, of course, and some may have found the process useful. But, good heavens, I've lost count of the number of scorched souls who walked away from seminars in a state of despair, shock, or worse.
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Mom and dad discovered some pot in my possession, and after beatings, groundings, and various other abusings, they hit on the idea of sending me to boarding school. They kept banging the gong of my so-called "drug problem" to justify their increasingly abusive overreaction. Things being totally unbearable at home, I left for boarding school all too willingly. First stop was Wayland Academy, which expelled me after a semester on suspicion of marijuana use, but agreed to readmit me the following year! I completed the second semester of my freshman year at Lake Forest Academy and returned the following year to Wayland. At the end of my second year I was informed that I would not be readmitted to Wayland, on grounds of another unsubstantiated charge of marijuana use. I felt unwelcome at home, and so I accepted a friend's invitation to stay with him and his family in Aspen, Colorado, for the summer. Meanwhile, mom and dad had discovered Hyde, a weird cult-like school that applied coercive behavior modification techniques, where I spent my junior and senior years. After four years of incompetent, stupid, and downright criminal treatment at the hands of a band of truly nutty adults, I graduated from high school in 1977.
Later I discovered that my father had smoked hash in Amsterdam.
Mike
What sort of "cult-like" and "coercive behavior modification techniques" did you encounter at Hyde? It would be interesting to compare your experience with what's going on at Hyde currently. I continue to learn about cult-like and coercive behavior modification techniques at Hyde. Have things changed over all these years, or not?
I encountered coercive behavior modification techniques in Hyde seminars. These seminars were only designed to make us "invest" in the process. Once we spill our guts, we've made another investment, we've lost a few more little secrets that define us as individuals, we've handed our identity over to the group, and taken another little step toward becoming Hyde groupies. The more we share, the more committed to Hyde we are. I believe that's the rationale behind it. All of Hyde's activities, without exception, are based on that sort of group dynamic, even the academics.
From Hyde's point of view, it is imperative that we not have an identity that is not part of the group. It is imperative that we tear down the barriers between the ego and the group. Then our behavior can be modified as a group, as Hyde sees fit.
The purpose of the seminars is not therapeutic, it's coercive. If Hyde seminars were really intended to be therapeutic, they would help us with our underlying problems. Now, I came to Hyde with some family problems so repressed that I did not even know they were there. These were "ticking time bombs," which eventually did go off, to devastating effect. Hyde seminars didn't --- couldn't --- help me with these sorts of problems, of which I was unaware.
Therapeutic or coercive? Hyde's facilitators are not sensitive and competent psychologists. They are from the Inquisition.
Hyde's coercive behavior modification techniques cannot but fail to do harm, particularly to students. Their ability to think critically and independently is inhibited at a period in their development when it needs most to be exercised. Precisely at the age when they have to make their most important choices --- college, major, marriage, career --- it dawns on many of them that they have been unfitted to do so. I know of one Hyde graduate who relapsed into self-destructive behavior following graduation day when the artificial Hyde decision-making apparatus --- the "scaffolding" --- was removed. Did Hyde disavow responsibility for her, saying that she simply failed to internalize Hyde values? How cynical if so! Is it any surprise that a student denied an opportunity to think and decide for herself for five years should fail in an independent setting? At least Hyde dedicated a memorial stone to her.
I say that Hyde is a cult because students, parents, administration, faculty, and board of governors are under one man's dominion.
Mike
I'm curious to know when you were at Hyde. Which campus?
I was there just a couple of years ago and your description seems very current. I was astonished by the group pressure tactics and the seminars where there was a clear expectation that people would spill their guts. It's fine with me to have group discussions where people feel comfortable talking about their issues and challenges. But there was something terribly coercive about the Hyde environment. What was especially troubling was seeing how many group members dissolved and "lost it" during seminars and how unable the incompetent, untrained staff were to clean up the mess.
I feel badly that I even attended those emotional gang rapes, not that I had much choice. I did my best not to pile on and go after group members. But I feel dirty just having been a witness to those shameful events. Not everyone in the seminars left scarred, of course, and some may have found the process useful. But, good heavens, I've lost count of the number of scorched souls who walked away from seminars in a state of despair, shock, or worse.
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I'm curious to know when you were at Hyde. Which campus? I was there just a couple of years ago and your description seems very current.
Bath, 1975-77.
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I'm from the same time point and campus (Bath) as Mike and Emil, and I concur with their impressions and experiences.
I encountered coercive behavior modification techniques in Hyde seminars. These seminars were only designed to make us "invest" in the process. Once we spill our guts, we've made another investment, we've lost a few more little secrets that define us as individuals...
There is also an element of shame and embarassment that binds you.
We had the seminars where you had to reveal intimate personal secrets. And then there were the Community meeting head shaping sections. There was the Hitler Youth, turn in your buddy, program. There was forced menial labor if you did not comply. Coercive is a fair and objective term for the program.
The purpose of the seminars is not therapeutic, it's coercive.
All too true.
Hyde's coercive behavior modification techniques cannot but fail to do harm, particularly to students. Their ability to think critically and independently is inhibited at a period in their development when it needs most to be exercised.
This is also the period of development at which these skills begin to be formed. At Hyde, they are not. There is such unbelievable pressure to NOT explore independent critical thinking, it just blows my mind, looking back, how dangerous and cruel this is to do to a child. You are talking about one of the key survival skills we as human beings require to function in the world at large.
I say that Hyde is a cult because students, parents, administration, faculty, and board of governors are under one man's dominion.
There are many other reasons it is as well, touched upon in many other threads, too much for me to go into here...
I was there just a couple of years ago and your description seems very current. I was astonished by the group pressure tactics and the seminars where there was a clear expectation that people would spill their guts... I feel badly that I even attended those emotional gang rapes, not that I had much choice. I did my best not to pile on and go after group members. But I feel dirty just having been a witness to those shameful events.
Ya gotta wonder, from their point of view, seeing this year after year, decade after decade... I mean, do they get off on this, or what? Thirty years of seminar after seminar, family meeting after family meeting, school meetings, one on ones, and whatever new pat names they have for these type of emotional disembowelments,etc. etc. etc... all the dredging up of people's deepest darkest secrets, their fears, their shames... And then comes the all-too-predictable requisite contrition, the improved malleability, the ensuing gung-ho rah rah to complete "the cure". It makes me absolutely sick.
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I'm curious to know when you were at Hyde. Which campus? I was there just a couple of years ago and your description seems very current.
Bath, 1975-77.
The whole seminar thing was so foreign to my mother who was half Yankee and half Irish. You never talked family out side the family. the thing in retrospect that seems so screwed up about the process was that after some nasty nasty family secrets came out in a seminar, Joe screamed at us and walked out of the room. Nothing was ever said about it on the part of the Hyde staff ( can't question Joe !) and I never received any sort of counciling about our secret.
My Mom did have some discussions in private with Joe. My mother was a very attractive woman with long black hair, which seemed to be Joe's predilection (dream weaver not withstanding) and widowed Despite the fact that Joe was still living with Blanche at the time there were some entreaties on Joe's part that were not IMHO entirely appropriate My Mom to her credit and my undying gratitude told Joe, politely where to go. I my Mother's estimation even though my Dad was a cruel drunk at the end of this life, Joe was not half the man that my father was. My dad was actually a brilliant man with a fantastic gift for language. So my Mom found Joe to be a dullard in comparison.
Sorry if the last paragraph was a bit to revelatory and seminarish but I feel better and I think my Mom would want it put out there
Emil Nightrate
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I know of one Hyde graduate who relapsed into self-destructive behavior following graduation day when the artificial Hyde decision-making apparatus --- the "scaffolding" --- was removed. Did Hyde disavow responsibility for her, saying that she simply failed to internalize Hyde values? How cynical if so! Is it any surprise that a student denied an opportunity to think and decide for herself for five years should fail in an independent setting? At least Hyde dedicated a memorial stone to her.
Mike, who was this?
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The whole seminar thing was so foreign to my mother who was half Yankee and half Irish. You never talked family out side the family. the thing in retrospect that seems so screwed up about the process was that after some nasty nasty family secrets came out in a seminar, Joe screamed at us and walked out of the room. Nothing was ever said about it on the part of the Hyde staff ( can't question Joe !) and I never received any sort of counciling about our secret.
My Mom did have some discussions in private with Joe. My mother was a very attractive woman with long black hair, which seemed to be Joe's predilection (dream weaver not withstanding) and widowed Despite the fact that Joe was still living with Blanche at the time there were some entreaties on Joe's part that were not IMHO entirely appropriate My Mom to her credit and my undying gratitude told Joe, politely where to go. I my Mother's estimation even though my Dad was a cruel drunk at the end of this life, Joe was not half the man that my father was. My dad was actually a brilliant man with a fantastic gift for language. So my Mom found Joe to be a dullard in comparison.
Sorry if the last paragraph was a bit to revelatory and seminarish but I feel better and I think my Mom would want it put out there
Emil Nightrate
Good for you, and good for your mom, Emil! What a cretin that Joe Gauld is! It just seems like -- if you dig deep enough -- many of these personality cult leaders end up preying sexually on their constituents. It is such an unbelievable total abuse of power. Kudos to your mom for having the intelligence and backbone to stand up to this slimebag.
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I know of one Hyde graduate who relapsed into self-destructive behavior following graduation day when the artificial Hyde decision-making apparatus --- the "scaffolding" --- was removed. Did Hyde disavow responsibility for her, saying that she simply failed to internalize Hyde values? How cynical if so! Is it any surprise that a student denied an opportunity to think and decide for herself for five years should fail in an independent setting? At least Hyde dedicated a memorial stone to her.
Mike, who was this?
Michelle Correa.
Sorry if the last paragraph was a bit to revelatory and seminarish but I feel better and I think my Mom would want it put out there.
Emil Nightrate
It does feel good finally to be able to say what we really wanted to say in those seminars. We were supposed to be sharing secrets, but given the consequences of criticizing Hyde, we were concealing more than we were revealing. I'm starting to realize that for Hyde's discontents, those seminars were self-defeating and probably affirmed our identity!
Mike
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What happened to Michelle? She sure was a spark and a half! :D
(I've been more or less completely out of the loop due to working out my own trauma from Hyde...)
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What happened to Michelle? She sure was a spark and a half! :D
(I've been more or less completely out of the loop due to working out my own trauma from Hyde...)
Drug overdose.
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Sorry if the last paragraph was a bit to revelatory and seminarish...
Totally different ballgame. Revelations, such as there are, are voluntary and certainly not followed by judgemental histrionics! Actually, kind of therapeutic for all of us, ...I hope! :lol:
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What happened to Michelle? She sure was a spark and a half! :D
(I've been more or less completely out of the loop due to working out my own trauma from Hyde...)
Drug overdose.
I am very sorry to hear that. I will never forget the time, I think it was summer school, the dining room was still in the mansion, when -- during lunch -- Michelle was laughing a lot, as was her wont to do, bless her heart, and she had this, um, distinctive laugh, which was also very loud, and at one point, almost the whole student body responded to one of her laughs with a chorus of "Baaaa! Baaaahaaaa!" It was so funny, everyone laughed and laughed, including Michelle, I hope...
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Michelle didn't die of an overdose. She was involved in a motorcycle accident. She did struggle with drugs, and a bad marriage or two, but was really working things out when she passed away. Where were you guys for her? She was only in contact with a couple people from Hyde, because they took the initiative.
So don't bring her into this discussion, because you know nothing.
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Michelle didn't die of an overdose. She was involved in a motorcycle accident. She did struggle with drugs, and a bad marriage or two, but was really working things out when she passed away. Where were you guys for her? She was only in contact with a couple people from Hyde, because they took the initiative.
So don't bring her into this discussion, because you know nothing.
I'm sorry. I stand corrected.
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What happened to Michelle? She sure was a spark and a half! :D
(I've been more or less completely out of the loop due to working out my own trauma from Hyde...)
Drug overdose.
If you recall she was one of Joe's favorites. She was about Blanche's size with long curly black hair. I am not saying there is a pattern. ;-)
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Michelle didn't die of an overdose. She was involved in a motorcycle accident. She did struggle with drugs, and a bad marriage or two, but was really working things out when she passed away. Where were you guys for her? She was only in contact with a couple people from Hyde, because they took the initiative.
So don't bring her into this discussion, because you know nothing.
She was part of our experience, which you do not own, as we do not own your experience.
Lighten up, and get a grip. It is bad enough that she died without you defiling her memory with pretenses of seriousness.
And what is this baloney?Where were you guys for her?
Do I chastize you for not being there for me? Perhaps you didn't know to be there. Perhaps I didn't know to be there for you. Perhaps none of us here knew to be there for Michelle. I don't know you, and you don't know me, although it is quite probable, given the time reference, that we did know each other once upon a time.
Life sucks alot of the time. And it is way too short to be taking offense where none was intended. You do not own Michelle, or her memory, or the right to remember her in any way seen fit by anybody. You of all people should know that, if you really knew Michelle.
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Sorry. When it comes to her...I'm still so sad. And this forum is so anti-Hyde and she is such a special Hyde memory for me.
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Michelle didn't die of an overdose. She was involved in a motorcycle accident. She did struggle with drugs, and a bad marriage or two, but was really working things out when she passed away. Where were you guys for her? She was only in contact with a couple people from Hyde, because they took the initiative.
So don't bring her into this discussion, because you know nothing.
I'm sorry. I stand corrected.
She died in a crash just after coming out of rehab. She definitely belongs in a discussion about the efficacy of Hyde. She was the apple of Joe's eye, the subject of many Joe meetings. The Miracle Worker was staged with her starring as Helen chiefly because Hyde felt that the educational achievement with MC was on a par with that of Annie Sullivan and Helen. She was a wild uncontrollable child before she came to Hyde. She was proof of Joe's wisdom. She walked out of Hyde arguably no better than she went in. Of course she belongs in a discussion about Hyde.
She was out of Hyde a year, working in a variety store unable to put a dancing gig together. Hyde made her think she was going to dance for a living. The reality emotionally shattered her. Because she was unable to recreate the thing that gave her identity at Hyde she slipped into abusive relationships and drug abuse.
And somewhere between the time you arrive
And the time you go
May lie a reason you were alive
But you'll never know
As a Hebrew prophet tells us "the wisdom of God surpasses the understanding of man" so in fact you will never know even though the secular god of Hyde may want you to think you can drive that wisdom at the feet of Joe.
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She was actually the apple of Ed's eye.
She was at Emerson in Boston, dancing.
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Sorry. When it comes to her...I'm still so sad. And this forum is so anti-Hyde and she is such a special Hyde memory for me.
Let's be clear on one thing: there is Hyde and everything it stands for on the one hand, and there are the people who went there and/or are still associated with it on the other. Two very different entities.
I am very anti-Hyde given the abusive bullshit I endured and witnessed, not to mention the maturing that I've undergone since I left which has developed into a philosophical antipathy to coercive techniques, witch hunts, and mob mentality. There are certain people that I find difficult to seperate out from that antipathy, and perhaps rightfully so, as they are linked by virtue of their responsibilities as administrators and faculty of the institution while I was there. Of course, some of these people were and are victims of the Kool-Aid as well. And I have read some posts in here of former faculty that felt remorse and repugnance for what they involved themselves with. And I feel for them. And I suppose, on some level, I could feel bad for Gauld and Legg too, but it is pretty difficult. They don't seem to feel any remorse. In Gauld's case, he's still dishing out the bullshit.
Michelle is part of my special memories of the time I was at Hyde as well. I have lots of special memories of that time. But I have absolutely no confusion over why those memories are special, and they certainly are not special to me because of any fondness in my heart towards the institution of Hyde School. Lets make sure we don't confuse the people with the process. They are not the same thing.
One of the reasons this website has been so valuable and healing for me has been not only the discussions of why what happened to us was wrong, but also the rehashing of old times, so to speak. It is important to people! :D And hopefully, regardless of your position on Hyde, you will be able to get at least that much out of it here too!
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She was actually the apple of Ed's eye.
She was at Emerson in Boston, dancing.
How long did she last at Emerson? A buddy of mine ran into her in 198?. She was working at the Store 24. She had dropped out and was trying to get into working shows. It was not going well.
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This has been a most interesting and lively discussion. I want to thank all the participants on this thread. But it is getting late in Jerusalem. Layla tov!
Mike
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But I have absolutely no confusion over why those memories are special, and they certainly are not special to me because of any fondness in my heart towards the institution of Hyde School. Lets make sure we don't confuse the people with the process.
Exactly. I have some very fond memories, but teasing it out from the process is hard. Especially when there are people that you like that are offended that you disagree with the nature of the process.
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She was actually the apple of Ed's eye.
She was at Emerson in Boston, dancing.
How long did she last at Emerson? A buddy of mine ran into her in 198?. She was working at the Store 24. She had dropped out and was trying to get into working shows. It was not going well.
Too bad about Emerson. From what little I know of the school, it seems like that would have been an ideal place for her.
In the 1980's, that neighborhood was pretty brutal. Back then, the Combat Zone was a bit larger and was still trying to eat up the Theater district. Hopefully she did not work at the Store 24 right next to Emerson, which became Store 18 at one point given all the robberies.
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This has been a most interesting and lively discussion. I want to thank all the participants on this thread. But it is getting late in Jerusalem. Layla tov!
Mike
'Night, Mike! thank you for starting it! :wave:
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She was actually the apple of Ed's eye.
She was at Emerson in Boston, dancing.
How long did she last at Emerson? A buddy of mine ran into her in 198?. She was working at the Store 24. She had dropped out and was trying to get into working shows. It was not going well.
Too bad about Emerson. From what little I know of the school, it seems like that would have been an ideal place for her.
In the 1980's, that neighborhood was pretty brutal. Back then, the Combat Zone was a bit larger and was still trying to eat up the Theater district. Hopefully she did not work at the Store 24 right next to Emerson, which became Store 18 at one point given all the robberies.
Oh yeah,
Good Time Charlie's on LaGrange is an art gallery now. The Two O'Clock ( made famous in part by the Tom Waits song Pasties and a G string:
http://www.officialtomwaits.com/music/m ... d_G_String (http://www.officialtomwaits.com/music/m_sc_lyr.htm#Pasties_And_G_String)
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The Teddy Bear, the Naked Eye .... all gone. Money trumps sex. Real Estate is too expensive in downtown Boston.
There were great parties at Emerson. I knew MC was downtown there some where. I was hoping to run into her but she was in and out of view so to speak. It was rough down there in the 80's. I have some scars to prove it. There but before the Grace of God go I. Drunk in the combat zone a 3:00 am is not a recipe for good health. I have no idea why I am still alive but I have survived to tell the tail perhaps like Ishmael.
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Sorry. When it comes to her...I'm still so sad. And this forum is so anti-Hyde and she is such a special Hyde memory for me.
Hey, it is not anti Hyde, it is brothers keeper tough love. We would not confront Hyde's bad attitudes if we did not care, would we?
Emil Nightrate
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Sorry. When it comes to her...I'm still so sad. And this forum is so anti-Hyde and she is such a special Hyde memory for me.
Hey, it is not anti Hyde, it is brothers keeper tough love. We would not confront Hyde's bad attitudes if we did not care, would we?
Emil Nightrate
I think one of Hyde's biggest weaknesses is that it's very good at confronting others' attitudes but has a real hard time accepting challenges to its own. As it says in the Bible, "physician, heal thyself." Hyde seems to have a lot to learn about turning the mirror on itself.
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It is a parasitic entity that feeds on others' good will, naivete, and unfortunate circumstances of vulnerability. If it had to feed on itself, it would die. There is not enough there of valid substance to warrant continued existence.
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It is a parasitic entity that feeds on others' good will, naivete, and unfortunate circumstances of vulnerability. If it had to feed on itself, it would die. There is not enough there of valid substance to warrant continued existence.
Here's my analysis of Hyde's ability to survive: Every year there's a steady stream of parents who have hit the brick wall and, they think, run out of options with their troubled kid. They've tried all kinds of schools, counseling, etc. They ask around, do some searching, and end up hearing that Hyde takes kids like this, especially in the middle of the school year. Not knowing what else to do and -- this is key -- not knowing about the enormous number of other options out there, the parents look into Hyde, bite the bullet, and sign up. Hyde's slick materials and the friendly tour by on-track students pull them in.
Then . . . many parents figure out that Hyde is not what they thought. They discover that the educational quality is lacking and they discover that Hyde isn't the right place considering their kid's needs. A lot of parents are weirded out by what happens in FLCs. They discover much too late that there are better options.
Some parents then turn to professionals who place kids for a living. It's then that they find out that Hyde is not highly regarded and they hunt for a better place.
This pattern repeats itself year after year. Some parents stay and many leave. The tuition stream pays the bills.
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Did this happen to you?
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Some parents then turn to professionals who place kids for a living. It's then that they find out that Hyde is not highly regarded and they hunt for a better place.
Ouch! Chokefucked by Hyde and then sodomized by the ed-cons!
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Every year there's a steady stream of parents who have hit the brick wall and, they think, run out of options with their troubled kid.
The Family groups used to be like Amway. There was pressure to find more families/students. There was a guy in central mass in the 70's that was responsible for bring a bunch of families on board. He was in the mental health field and knew were to find the crazies. Hyde/Joe eventually pissed him off and he walked. I wonder if that was part of hyde going under in the late 70's early 80's. Joe just kept pissing people off.
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The Family groups used to be like Amway. There was pressure to find more families/students. There was a guy in central mass in the 70's that was responsible for bring a bunch of families on board. He was in the mental health field and knew were to find the crazies. Hyde/Joe eventually pissed him off and he walked. I wonder if that was part of hyde going under in the late 70's early 80's. Joe just kept pissing people off.
I know exactly who you are talking about. I think his name was Smith. But I thought he was kind of a nice guy. The family had at least two kids at Hyde: the oldest, Phil, and a younger son, Jamie. I'm not sure what made the elder Smith walk; I might be out in left field on this, but I am under the impression it was something to do with or during the tenure of the younger son. The parents divorced not long after this. One can only speculate the contribution that Hyde made to that turn of events. I remember that Mrs. Smith was frequently picked on in the family meetings and I have memories of her crying in front of everyone, a LOT, from all the confrontations she had to endure. I think Dr. Smith probably initially bought into the program just like many of the parents did, with all the best intentions. And with Phil, things were a little different than they were with Jamie, both from the standpoint of their respective personalities as well as how Hyde was dishing it out. But the truth will out...
It was my impression that the decision to make Joe a bit more on the sidelines predated Dr. Smith's seeing the light. If I recall correctly, Joe was still Headmaster and Legg was still Assistant Headmaster during the 1974-75 school year. The situation was supposed to change the following year, i.e., the 1975-76 school year, with Ed Legg assuming the headmastership and Bob Thurrell becoming the new Assistant Headmaster. During that time, Joe was to devote more attention to "The Book", as well as the America's Spirit campaign, although this last little impression is a bit more hazy in my memory, as certainly Ed Legg was very involved in America's Spirit...
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I'm not sure what made the elder Smith walk
It was Joe's book. One of the kids wrote a story that made Sid look bad in a profesional light. Sid refused to allow Joe to publish it. Joe tossed the family out. I believe it was the first time I heared the term "Hitler Youth" used in reference to hyde at the community meeting where the Smiths were excommunicated by his Holiness Joe Pompous I . Sid made the Hitler remark.
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I'm not sure what made the elder Smith walk
It was Joe's book. One of the kids wrote a story that made Sid look bad in a profesional light. Sid refused to allow Joe to publish it. Joe tossed the family out. I believe it was the first time I heared the term "Hitler Youth" used in reference to hyde at the community meeting where the Smiths were excommunicated by his Holiness Joe Pompous I . Sid made the Hitler remark.
Good for Sid (Hitler comment). When exactly was this? I guess I don't remember it.