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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 10, 2007, 12:59:29 AM
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Here it is: Fornits fucking scares everyone.
It's not a matter of "you're scaring the parents off Milk/TSW/anon army/RB/pick your poster". It's not us saying things to them that make them go away. It's the atmosphere of this place, the sickness and foulness of the industry, and the resulting rage and contempt of the posters here. People don't want to walk into a firefight. For parents not involved in this industry, it's much easier, much simpler, and much more logical to never post here, and never consider sending their kid anywhere again, and put the entire concept right the hell out of their minds.
This is where the trolls come in. Since we don't have enough real parents on this site, we've apparently had to make some up.
This is also the reason that Struggling Tards is so underpopulated: because everyone on that site is visibly fucking insane. Seriously, what kind of parent is going to pal around wih the likes of mose? Who's gonna hear "we don't allow public program discussion" and not smell a HUGE fucking rat? You'd have to be dumber than mud. Consider how much traffic Lon claims to get (which may have a passing resemblance to the amount of traffic he does get). Consider the size of his board. If parents were in any way attracted, and this was in any way "mainstream" as I hear so often claimed around here, he'd have many times the population of Fornits. BUT HE DOESN'T. Think on why.
This is actually the important statistic, the one that the ed-cons will never report. How many people hear "well, we can take your kid off your hands for $12,000 a month" and run? How many people stop at "parental contact has to be limited"? How many people take a look at ISAC or Fornits and go "Oh sweet Jesus, this is sick!" and never come back? Consider Exhausted's reaction. Consider the reaction of any sane person to this. How many times have we heard "Well after reading this site I'm definitely not going to send my kid to ___..." Yeah! And for every one person who posts that, there's a couple hundred that don't!
You don't have to take my word for it. Post about Fornits on otherwise neutral forums that you might frequent. Odds are nobody will reply. Why? It's not a matter of belief or disbelief. It's the fact that this is too goddamn sick to talk about. Normal people, and by normal people I mean those who aren't connected to this in any way, sure as hell don't want to be.
This is a good thing. The more parents we scare off, the better. They ought to be fucking scared. They ought to grab their kids and run like all the devils of Hell are after them. Parents, if you don't think you should be scared, you obviously haven't read enough Fornits.
And for all the parents out there still reading this, lemme give you a nice little taste of what these people have in store for your child (copied from actual testimony on the CEDU board (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=245760#245760)):
The other thing I remember hearing was "potty please". At night, you would have to ask staff permission to go to the bathroom, by standing there and going "potty please"? One poster on here said that the staff would a lot of times ignore you for a while. I think you even had to put on special boots.
I think I might have read that somewhere before... in bad perverted fiction.
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Permission to speak freely?
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Hey, I'm just here to tell people things they don't want to hear.
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Despite what you say, I think what gets a lot of parents right off the bat is a superficial one. They feel affronted by the language. I get some of this on the Hyde board. I post a well-worded piece, and I get responses thanking me for my thoughtful discussion, alluding to a refreshing contrast with more coarsely stated sentiments (from other posts). But when I let it rip, employ vulgar humor and disrespectful verbage, they are silent. Maybe this is just Hyde, I'm not sure. I've been posting Anon for several months prior to joining, so I have a wee better sense of this than my paltry few dozen official posts might indicate, although certainly not even approaching the same league as you and the other regulars.
I think the rawness and lack of Moderators on fornits scares a lot of parents. It feels to them "out of control", much as they feel freaked out by their "out of control" teenagers.
It's the atmosphere of this place, the sickness and foulness of the industry, and the resulting rage and contempt of the posters here.
But then, fornits isn't a place where concerned parents can come commissurate about what the hell to do with their errant offspring, is it? That is really the mindset of ST. I wish to fully acknowledge the genuine concern that most any parent has expressed there, but what it really boils down to, if that is where you feel most at home, when all is said and done, is it's all about controlling the little bastards.
There are some parents who come here, where it is less an issue of control, and more an issue of what can I do to help shephard my child through this transition to adulthood with the least amount of damage and hopefully the most amount of support. For them it is more of a soul-to-soul issue. And those parents stay.
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Well, yeah, it gets ugly as hell sometimes. And you're right, the whole concept and purpose of these fora is quite different from that of ST. ST is born of the program and all about parents supporting each other's martyrdom and sometimes passive sadism. Fornits is all about letting anybody with any interest in the troubled parent industry or toughlove hategroup speak freely. Of course that scares hell out of program people. It's their worst nightmare.
If they're looking for someone to sell them The Answer® all packaged up neat-n-tidy like with a clearly printed price tag, there's always Struggling Turkeys. If, on the other hand, they want insight from a broad range of people w/ varying degrees of firs-hand experience with the Program, then maybe we can help them out. I've been surprised to find some parents starting to come around here actually researching the programs they're considering for their kids. I tell ya, folks, it restores a little of my faith in my own generation.
The purpose, right from the beginning, was just as simple as having an ongoing discussion sans the censorship so that we, the program vets, can get a start on figuring out wtf happened to us and what to do about it. Whether that be on a personal level or public policy and cultural influence just depends on how you're geared. This is also a resource for authors and journalists, lawyers and pshrinks, program vets looking for old friends (these places don't usually issue year books or hold 10 year reunions, ya know) and anyone else who finds a need to understand this phenomena.
I'm betting we'll be seeing more and more folks like Oz Girl and COvergard and others with enough foresight to see their own interest in this topic before their local community turns into something like Florida where Brother Jeb came through with his promised $100 million in juvenile rehab contracted through DFAF, resulting in the internationally acclaimed Martin Lee Anderson Snuff Flick.
I don't always win my bets, though. Often, but not always. Any takers? I got two beers out of LEAP jumping the Algore/Hillary team on sensible drug policy. ;-)
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So I got to thinking about stats.
Reported period Month Feb 2007
First visit 01 Feb 2007 - 00:00
Last visit 09 Feb 2007 - 17:49
Unique visitors *4680
Number of visits 12886 (2.75 visits/visitor)
PagesHits 189973 (14.74 pages/visit)
Anybody got any idea what the stats look like for Struggling Turkeys? I'm guessin' the market defines this style of conversation as inherently more useful than the other in the same way the net routes around censorship like damage.
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I'm betting we'll be seeing more and more folks like Oz Girl and COvergard and others with enough foresight to see their own interest in this topic before their local community turns into something like Florida where Brother Jeb came through with his promised $100 million in juvenile rehab contracted through DFAF, resulting in the internationally acclaimed Martin Lee Anderson Snuff Flick.
I don't always win my bets, though. Often, but not always. Any takers? I got two beers out of LEAP jumping the Algore/Hillary team on sensible drug policy. ;-)
First of all, fuck that dipshit Al Gore and that pants-suit wearing corrupt bitch Hilary Clinton. Just wanted to get that out of the way. YEAH, where are the rioting black folks when you need them? :lol: That's horrible what happened to that kid. An outrage; where are the black cries of protest about that??
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So I got to thinking about stats.
Reported period Month Feb 2007
First visit 01 Feb 2007 - 00:00
Last visit 09 Feb 2007 - 17:49
Unique visitors *4680
Number of visits 12886 (2.75 visits/visitor)
PagesHits 189973 (14.74 pages/visit)
Anybody got any idea what the stats look like for Struggling Turkeys? I'm guessin' the market defines this style of conversation as inherently more useful than the other in the same way the net routes around censorship like damage.
Not only that, their forum is just plain BORING.
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I hope more people from Overseas come to this site as well. Part of the problem I have had explaining this industry to anyone I know particularly family is that its existence is hard to actually comprehend.
for example here were some of my mothers initial comments
Oh it cant be that bad otherwise the child would complain too much when they come home for xmas and summer holidays.
Drug rehab lasting for 3 years or more. Dont be silly. The parents would eventually pull the kids because of the school they would have missed.
But schools cant strip search students. It is against the law
i think a camping trip with some sensible no nonsense adult counsellors sounds ideal. The kids get away for a week or 2 i assume.
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Does AC/DC play a lot over there, Oz Girl?
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First of all, fuck that dipshit Al Gore and that pants-suit wearing corrupt bitch Hilary Clinton. Just wanted to get that out of the way. YEAH, where are the rioting black folks when you need them? :lol: That's horrible what happened to that kid. An outrage; where are the black cries of protest about that??
Thanks for that. Whew! I feel better now too.
Well, the Rainbow Coalition did do their song and dance for a short while. Didn't hang around long, though, did they? I'm guessing it's because Martin wasn't a choir boy, he was a regular boy. They don't actually represent real people. They represent imaginary people invented by the likes of Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey and a long line of delusional pedagogs on who's shoulders they have stood and lunch ticket they have fed. That's how come they're so fond of people like Dr. Phool and James Fray.
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*Sigh* Yeah.....
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If they're looking for someone to sell them The Answer® all packaged up neat-n-tidy like with a clearly printed price tag, there's always Struggling Turkeys.
:P :D
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Consider the size of his board. If parents were in any way attracted, and this was in any way "mainstream" as I hear so often claimed around here, he'd have many times the population of Fornits. BUT HE DOESN'T. Think on why.
'Cuz most people don't want to discuss their private issues in public? Lon is a fag and his website sucks? Take your pick.
Then take a look at the size of this industry, it's trends and growth and then tell me with a straight face this ideology and it's practical implementation are not mainstream thinking. The only reason people don't want these places built around them, is because they are afraid of the kids, which is a reason why these places exist in the first place.
When a crowd of screaming people are stomping and yelling with all their emotion at a 12 year old girl on stage on the Maury Povich show that she's a whore and needs boot camp, it's hard to believe it's a minority.
If you don't believe me, try this experiment. Request information packets from the worst programs you know about, wwasps, cedu and other less known ones. Then take them to a professionally licensed psychologist or psychiatrist and tell them you are thinking of sending your kid away. What do you think they will say in most cases after reviewing the literature?
Sure if people knew the truth, and I mean the whole nitty gritty truth with hidden camera action of seminars and abuse and all that, then yes they would object. As it is presented today, and that is what matters most, it is still a legitimate and even noble cause. It's seen as the next organic option when your teen gets out of step, it has embedded itself into American culture deeply.
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Sure if people knew the truth, and I mean the whole nitty gritty truth with hidden camera action of seminars and abuse and all that, then yes they would object. As it is presented today, and that is what matters most, it is still a legitimate and even noble cause. It's seen as the next organic option when your teen gets out of step, it has embedded itself into American culture deeply.
Ugh. :evil: ::noway:: ::eek3:: ::puke::
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My experience of hot-button discussions is that people only give a fuck about your fucking language when they're fucking losing the fucking debate.
It's the "Hi, I'm a concerned parent" verzhun uf the intirnet speling flaim.
I'm a parent too. I rarely use vulgar language in front of children. If I've just stubbed my toe, or whacked my thumb with a hammer, though, all bets are off.
The entire world doesn't get censored to Disney cartoon standards because there are little kids who live in the world. Little kids do not read Fornits--they'd find it boring as hell.
The language flamers know this---they're just program parents (or owners, or staff) who know they've lost the debate and are grasping at straws.
On the other hand, emphatic language has major communication value if you do it right--which is another reason why the program parents (or owners, or staff) jump on "vulgarity" and hammer it.
Again, internet version of a spelling flame.
I'm a professional author--a bestselling one. I can express myself with or without any handful of words you can name (besides the basic essentials of the English language, of course). I also have a pretty damned good idea of what language is most persuasive in a particular argument to a particular audience.
Vulgar words are just more colors and shades and hues in my paintbox, waiting for the printed page.
The Program begs to be discussed in vulgar and even obscene language, because it is a vulgar, obscene, monstrously abusive industry. There is no language more vulgar and obscene than the reality of the Program itself.
I say "The Program" because there really is only one--it simply has different lace, sequins, brocades and trims stitched over the ugly reality in its different incarnations----putting pig shit in a satin hat box---to make it appear more palatable.
We middle-aged old fogies criticize potty-mouthed comedians saying, "They just use bad language to shock people."
Does my language when I discuss the Program sometimes shock people? Then they damned well need to be shocked, because the Program itself is a more horrific obscenity than any mere word I or anyone else could ever utter.
If reading the word "fuck" shakes some parent or out of his complacency long enough to get his kid out of the program and back home where he can get competent, ethical help, then I will fucking say the fucking word until the fucking cows come home.
Do I think that vulgar language actually makes people more likely to be persuaded by my arguments? Used right, I damn well know it does. Why? Because it's my job and I'm good at it.
So let's all get over the language red herring. I read what others write on Fornits. People may bitch about it, but they do notice it---and they notice many of those posts more than if the very same thing had been said in insipid, dulcet tones sans all those nasty words. In fighting the Program, the harsh language on Fornits usually does more good than harm. By a longshot.
Vulgarity? It has its place, and this is it.
Julie Cochrane
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I'm getting really, really sick of this "they're growing" or "they're socially acceptable" or "it's the next logical option". Bullshit!
In fact, it is socially and logically impossible for it to be the next logical option, simply because of the price tag. Professional child abuse is expensive, and most of the fuckheads out there are perfectly content to do it themselves.
Show me one good, solid piece of evidence (I'd love to see someone do that psychiatrist thing on even a small sample size) that this industry is growing, or growing at the rate that people have been claiming, over the last five years. Back the claim up. Count heads. Of course, that is an impossible request; only the industry has those numbers, and anything that comes from them- even unofficially- is liable to be bullshit.
Remember, a lot of the "new" programs are just old, defeated ones repackaged. The industry numbers- if they're just not making them up- are probably still counting Casa By The Sea and Moravia Academy. There are shutdowns that Fornits never hears about. There are lawsuits that never reach the news. Consider HLA. HLA is bleeding to death- this is common knowledge around here- but if you looked to them as a source of info, you'd think they were going strong. They're not.
Again I point to the fact that the APA and the Surgeon General both disapprove. A crowd of idiots on some daytime talk show, who have no idea what they're doing and don't care, does not a majority make.
If there is one thing I'd like to direct at Fornits, the one message I hope to really get through people's heads, it is this: Shut up, quit whining, get your nose to the grindstone like DJ and Deb have, and start ripping these places to bits.
I actually find the concern over profanity to be a useful litmus test. If you're more worried about the profanity than the child abuse, there's something fucking wrong with you.
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I'm getting really, really sick of this "they're growing" or "they're socially acceptable" or "it's the next logical option". Bullshit!
The truth hurts.
In fact, it is socially and logically impossible for it to be the next logical option, simply because of the price tag. Professional child abuse is expensive, and most of the fuckheads out there are perfectly content to do it themselves.
The juvie justice system has programs too, not sure why they don't get discussed here more often. Just as much abuse occurs in them. But hey, it ain't white kids so who gives a shit.
Show me one good, solid piece of evidence (I'd love to see someone do that psychiatrist thing on even a small sample size) that this industry is growing, or growing at the rate that people have been claiming, over the last five years.
Lets take the obvious example, WWASPS. If anyone should be shut down, it's them. The amount of negative press, shut downs, legal inquiries, the shit that's happened to them. They shouldn't exist. They've doubled in size over the past five years. They have netter hundreds of millions of dollars over that time and effectively passed legislation in a state called Montana perpetuating their SCL program. Proof? It's staring us in the face.
Back the claim up. Count heads. Of course, that is an impossible request; only the industry has those numbers, and anything that comes from them- even unofficially- is liable to be bullshit.
Any investor worth his salt can tell study a company and find whether they are growing, shrinking, worth investing in, not investing in. Right now this industry is paying gold dirt, and there is a gold rush on to build these programs all over the place. WWASPS has shown us how to build a financial and power empire on troubled teens. There's a pile of gold out there in the form of parents who don't have the time or patience to deal with their teen, and don't mind spending 4 grand a month to pay someone else to do it. Now my generation is having children. I have enough friends to know that their kids are going to end up in programs, you can spot the families a mile away.
Remember, a lot of the "new" programs are just old, defeated ones repackaged. The industry numbers- if they're just not making them up- are probably still counting Casa By The Sea and Moravia Academy.
Casa has been reopened and is now currenly operating! WWASPS has opened more programs than have been shut down.
uoThere are shutdowns that Fornits never hears about. There are lawsuits that never reach the news.
New programs also don't make the news, and are less likely to.
Consider HLA. HLA is bleeding to death- this is common knowledge around here- but if you looked to them as a source of info, you'd think they were going strong. They're not.
How big is HLA? How many kids go there? Does it make parents less or more comfortable to seek help in an industry that seems to be doing a lot of fight abuse. When in reality, the effort is tiny. A program here and there are attacked by disgruntled parents. Most aren't.
Again I point to the fact that the APA and the Surgeon General both disapprove. A crowd of idiots on some daytime talk show, who have no idea what they're doing and don't care, does not a majority make.
So you think the Surgeon General has more in common with most parents than does Dr Phil, Maury or Oprah? Who's advice do you think more people listen to. How many people do you think even know the name of the Surgeon General?
If there is one thing I'd like to direct at Fornits, the one message I hope to really get through people's heads, it is this: Shut up, quit whining, get your nose to the grindstone like DJ and Deb have, and start ripping these places to bits.
Oh.. so that's why you post here, to motivate everyone? lol...
I actually find the concern over profanity to be a useful litmus test. If you're more worried about the profanity than the child abuse, there's something fucking wrong with you.
Hey we agree on something.
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My experience of hot-button discussions is that people only give a fuck about your fucking language when they're fucking losing the fucking debate.
Awwwww, dude! :rofl:
That is priceless! :nworthy:
Sorry... I mean that is FUCKING priceless. ::bwahaha::
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The Program begs to be discussed in vulgar and even obscene language, because it is a vulgar, obscene, monstrously abusive industry. There is no language more vulgar and obscene than the reality of the Program itself.
I say "The Program" because there really is only one--it simply has different lace, sequins, brocades and trims stitched over the ugly reality in its different incarnations----putting pig shit in a satin hat box---to make it appear more palatable.
Awesome!!! :tup:
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My experience of hot-button discussions is that people only give a fuck about your fucking language when they're fucking losing the fucking debate.
It's the "Hi, I'm a concerned parent" verzhun uf the intirnet speling flaim.
I'm a parent too. I rarely use vulgar language in front of children. If I've just stubbed my toe, or whacked my thumb with a hammer, though, all bets are off.
The entire world doesn't get censored to Disney cartoon standards because there are little kids who live in the world. Little kids do not read Fornits--they'd find it boring as hell.
The language flamers know this---they're just program parents (or owners, or staff) who know they've lost the debate and are grasping at straws.
On the other hand, emphatic language has major communication value if you do it right--which is another reason why the program parents (or owners, or staff) jump on "vulgarity" and hammer it.
Again, internet version of a spelling flame.
I'm a professional author--a bestselling one. I can express myself with or without any handful of words you can name (besides the basic essentials of the English language, of course). I also have a pretty damned good idea of what language is most persuasive in a particular argument to a particular audience.
Vulgar words are just more colors and shades and hues in my paintbox, waiting for the printed page.
The Program begs to be discussed in vulgar and even obscene language, because it is a vulgar, obscene, monstrously abusive industry. There is no language more vulgar and obscene than the reality of the Program itself.
I say "The Program" because there really is only one--it simply has different lace, sequins, brocades and trims stitched over the ugly reality in its different incarnations----putting pig shit in a satin hat box---to make it appear more palatable.
We middle-aged old fogies criticize potty-mouthed comedians saying, "They just use bad language to shock people."
Does my language when I discuss the Program sometimes shock people? Then they damned well need to be shocked, because the Program itself is a more horrific obscenity than any mere word I or anyone else could ever utter.
If reading the word "fuck" shakes some parent or out of his complacency long enough to get his kid out of the program and back home where he can get competent, ethical help, then I will fucking say the fucking word until the fucking cows come home.
Do I think that vulgar language actually makes people more likely to be persuaded by my arguments? Used right, I damn well know it does. Why? Because it's my job and I'm good at it.
So let's all get over the language red herring. I read what others write on Fornits. People may bitch about it, but they do notice it---and they notice many of those posts more than if the very same thing had been said in insipid, dulcet tones sans all those nasty words. In fighting the Program, the harsh language on Fornits usually does more good than harm. By a longshot.
Vulgarity? It has its place, and this is it.
Julie Cochrane
Sorry, I had to repeat this in its entirety. I don't want anyone to miss it. It is absolutely priceless. I gotta print this out.
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But hey, it ain't white kids so who gives a shit.
The reverse is true: Consider Martin Lee Anderson. The NAACP went absolutely apeshit. If it wasn't for that (well, that and the video), it probably would have been swept under the rug as sickle-cell anemia.
WWASPS... doubled in size over the past five years.
I don't see any proof staring me in the face. Where are you getting your data? Demonstrate why you believe this is true. Give me some links to work with here. I'm not posting this as some argumentative programmie but because I really want to know where this evidence comes from.
Any investor worth his salt can tell study a company and find whether they are growing, shrinking, worth investing in, not investing in.
Non sequitur. These people don't exactly post 10Qs or show up in the NYSE. (Which reminds me- why don't any of these private places ever act like a serious business and post a fucking IPO?) I will grant that some larger conglomerates have bought up some programs, but is that just because the price was right (dirt cheap) or because they really think it's a growth industry?
I have enough friends to know that their kids are going to end up in programs, you can spot the families a mile away.
Those people are your friends? (With friends like those, who needs enemies?) What's more, you honestly believe that they're going to do it, and you're not warning them by sending them to Fornits or ISAC?
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For fuck's sake Sky, before you even waste time replying to me, make a list of your friends and start thinking about how you're going to approach them with the ungodly truth. And if you can't, they're not exactly your friends, are they?
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in an industry that seems to be doing a lot of fight abuse.
Don't be a moron. The industry isn't doing shit. It's the posters here that are on the attack. Read the HLA board.
So you think the Surgeon General has more in common with most parents than does Dr Phil, Maury or Oprah?
In a way, yes.
Look, we all love to go around and insult all the fucking retards in the world by saying that they'll do whatever their talk-show lords tell them. It doesn't quite work that way. Most of the talk-show watchers love to see it happening to someone else's kids. It's bread and circuses, nothing more. Since when has anything Oprah said accomplished anything at all?
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Look I am not going to get into some statistical theoretical debate about supposed 'data'. If you have another view than me, that's great. I disagree with it. I think you just got to the base of everest and are telling everyone the hard part is over. Look up for god sakes, you haven't even started climbing the mountain. I am not saying stop, I am saying, look up and appreciate what is ahead. Don't lie to people.
You can make it seem like posting on fornits is some sort of noble cause. I don't pretend that it is, the real work is done in real life talking to real people, writing hand written letters, not confronting people on a forum or signing online petitions or mass emails.
But go get back on that horse, white knight, lead the troops to victory in your online war against programs.
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I have to admit that I appreciate the sarcasm, no offense to anyone.
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Look I am not going to get into some statistical theoretical debate about supposed 'data'.
Which means that you have nothing to say except "they're just so biiiig!" dogshit.
If using the Internet is such a waste of time (as if it wasn't just a communications medium like any other), and you've got all these friends who you just know are going to send their kids away, then stop wasting your fucking time talking to me, and start working on these fucking friends of yours.
Isn't that the next logical step?
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Which means that you have nothing to say except "they're just so biiiig!" dogshit.
No it means I am not TheWho, or some other weirdo who sit around endlessly debating numbers than mean shit to nobody.
If using the Internet is such a waste of time (as if it wasn't just a communications medium like any other),
No, I said it's a waste of time if you are doing what you are doing, which is basically nothing. Who is Milk? Nobody knows. You have never said one thing about yourself. You are an endless commentator about everyone else's experiences. Never once have you posted about your own life. Everything with you is fiction, fantasy and theoretical. Some of us who lived it and are in real life contact with dozens of other survivors just don't want to waste our time playing math wizz with the likes of you. Does that makes sense? I am not slamming deborah, or buzzkill or others who use the internet ina positive way to spread information and do research. I am slightng people like you who use it for no other reason to involve themselves in something for their own twisted needs.
and you've got all these friends who you just know are going to send their kids away, then stop wasting your fucking time talking to me, and start working on these fucking friends of yours.Isn't that the next logical step?
Real life people don't enjoy talking child abuse 24/7 over the coffee table. They know what happened to me. There children are just now being born. My point was they fit the socio-economic profile of potential program parents. Hopefully their kids will not need programs. But judging by their selfishness, ambition and dismissive attitude of what I tell them, who knows. But I know what you were trying to say, if I don't use every spare moment of my time to spread the gospel about private child abuse I am somehow lacking in authenticity.
See, in my opinion, one guest program survivor who tells their program experience is worth ten thousand of your posts. If I wanted to hear a commentator, I'd turn on Bill O'Reilly. I come to this forum to discuss and talk with other people who have been through this industry as a kid or parent or both. The bystanders, I don't feel any obligation to prove anything to you and your judgments ring completely hollow.
Thousands of posts and I don't even know if you are a boy or girl, man or woman, teen or adult. But now you will tell us how this carefully concocted show of yours with complete cast of characters is in truth to help the kids, right? You are trying to show the parents how c.r.a.z.y this industry is by pretending to be kids who want to kill their parents? Or by exaggerating every claim to the umpteenth degree to try and prove your point? One sentence of experience in a program or as a program parent, speaks louder than novels full of your fictional crap ever will.
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Do you feel better now?