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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ehm on April 10, 2003, 08:05:00 PM

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Post by: ehm on April 10, 2003, 08:05:00 PM

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Post by: Carmel on April 11, 2003, 10:40:00 AM

Well Anon, whoever you are/were, we all have to agree....thats one hell of an apology!


 






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Post by: Carmel on April 11, 2003, 09:57:00 PM

you know...as i sit here and laugh to myself at the shear lunacy of this entire situation....I can take comfort in the fact that I never have to wake up in the morning...and be you.

Im sorry you are so troubled by me....really i am.  If I recall correctly...without fear of any "confusion" i am so alleged to experience these days....I did not start this.  I also remeber vividly several pot shots taken at me recently....WITHOUT feeling the need to ask anyone fuck themslves or any such childishness.

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Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2003, 05:10:00 AM

WOW!Where the hell did that come from Morli?I think another apology is in order to Carmel.You sound like a very unstable person who has alot of issues being misdirected onto the wrong people.Try to pull it together and quit letting others fuel your fire.We all have opinions and can agree to disagree without hostility.

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Post by: JDavid on April 12, 2003, 08:52:00 AM

One philosophical tenet which was stolen by the great fraud, L. Ron Hubbard is "Create, create, create".  It means to not attempt to counter create a situation.  Always continue to create your part of the situation until it ceases to exist.  For some reason, if the circumstance is wrong, the ultimate way to resolve it is to make it destroy itself.  Easier said than done, I know.  Sometimes it's confusing as hell to figure out the correct way to create, create, create.  I have always wondered who L. Ron Hubbard stole that idea from.

Does the winner get to spank the loser?  I want to watch. :lol:

David


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Post by: ehm on April 12, 2003, 01:18:00 PM

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Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2003, 02:56:00 PM

Morli, you are so awesome. :tup:

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Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2003, 05:13:00 PM

On 2003-04-11 18:57:00, Carmel wrote: "you know...as i sit here and laugh to myself at the shear lunacy of this entire situation....I can take comfort in the fact that I never have to wake up in the morning...and be you. Im sorry you are so troubled by me....really i am.  If I recall correctly...without fear of any "confusion" i am so alleged to experience these days....I did not start this.  I also remeber vividly several pot shots taken at me recently....WITHOUT feeling the need to ask anyone fuck themslves or any such childishness."

When you try to shoot someone down for doing the right thing, the only person you are making look bad is yourself.
Not being sympathetic to a person first finding out all of this information, shows the kind of person you are vividly. You're not fooling anyone.

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Post by: Carmel on April 12, 2003, 08:01:00 PM

This is all proving my point beautifully.  Several of them actually.  

So, does that mean if I tell everyone to fuck themselves and insult their children, what kind of person would that make me?  Would I be doing the right thing?  How vividly would that expose my personality?

Maybe I should take tips from you all, right....okay 1) censor anyone who doesnt fit my definition of a good person 2) Make sure they are aware they should be fucking themselves regualry 3) Make accurate and indisputable insults regarding their parenting, after all....I know you well enough from Adam to make all such judgements.

I am still laughing.  

LOVE YA GROUP!!!!



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Post by: Carmel on April 13, 2003, 09:40:00 AM

On 2003-04-11 15:38:00, Morli wrote:
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[Tender music playing...]

Are you done yet? Or are you gonna keep showing your true colors for all to see? I'm embarrassed for you. Could you please, pretty please, with sugar on top, [expletive deleted] the hell off now? All you've done in the last 2 months is try to drive me away. Now go [expletive deleted] yourself bitch. I feel sorry for your children."


Hmmm....okay, thats much more acceptable.  I feel so much better.  

Let me guess....THIS one falls into the category of "Do as I say, but not as I do" ?

I have no such notion of wanting to drive ANYONE away from this board.  Thats ludicrous.  I dont have any personal beef with you, I dont even know you.  I post my thoughts and feelings openly here, along with about 99.9% of everyone else (you included).  We had a disagreement, so what?  Do I make you feel so upset that you have to make those sort of vile insults?  This is a MESSAGE board for crying out loud!   Oh, and what about that long and heartfelt diatribe posted above about regarding "people's feelings" and so forth.  

So I disagree with the notion of making an apology, and then listing 50 different arguments why, although I am apologizing, that I am still right!  Theres nothing wrong with that anyway, we truly can disagree on things around here.

Please,  you must understand that its not helpful to preach about love, forgiveness, responsibility for others and understanding....and then turn around and make the most heinous remarks to the contrary.  THAT, my friend, is a much more vivid show of true colors.




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Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2003, 03:20:00 PM

On 2003-04-13 06:40:00, Carmel wrote:

"On 2003-04-11 15:38:00, Morli wrote:

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Are you done yet? Or are you gonna keep showing your true colors for all to see? I'm embarrassed for you. Could you please, pretty please, with sugar on top, [expletive deleted] the hell off now? All you've done in the last 2 months is try to drive me away. Now go [expletive deleted] yourself bitch. I feel sorry for your children."





Hmmm....okay, thats much more acceptable.  I feel so much better.  



Let me guess....THIS one falls into the category of "Do as I say, but not as I do" ?


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I feel both ways, and if you don't understand that, you never will. It's not supposed to make you feel better, I'm just sick of you being a bully to me. This was all a misunderstanding on your part. You can't admit that and that's fine. At this point, I don't even expect it or want it. You owe me an apology, and you are incapable of seeing this, but I'm sure others have. Are you just enjoying trying to humiliate me, and drag me down?
You've been name calling, and throwing insults, and at me from my first week of finding this site. Look at the dates at the beginning of this thread. Compare the anons post date  to my date joined my mine, then today?s date. Read the posts to get the full story again.  That?s 2 months I have been putting up with your harassment. You misunderstood my fiancé to begin with but it doesn?t matter at this point. What does, is that you won?t get off my ass. Deny it all you feel necessary, I?m just asking you to leave me alone, after your most recent insulting comment. (bigmouse)  The above post of mine means leave me alone now.  Sorry I didn?t say it sweetly enough.
 

I have no such notion of wanting to drive ANYONE away from this board.

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Right...................

Thats ludicrous.  I dont have any personal beef with you, I dont even know you.  I post my thoughts and feelings openly here, along with about 99.9% of everyone else (you included).  We had a disagreement, so what?

 So stop antagonizing me.  

Do I make you feel so upset that you have to make those sort of vile insults?  This is a MESSAGE board for crying out loud!

 
That was not an insult. It?s me telling you to f-off. In other words, leave me be.

Oh, and what about that long and heartfelt diatribe posted above about regarding "people's feelings" and so forth.

I?m a person who speaks my mind, like I said, I feel both ways, and I don?t expect you to understand this. But it looks like we are debating beliefs here. So I stand corrected. Does that make you feel better?

So I disagree with the notion of making an apology, and then listing 50

50?
 

different arguments why, although I am apologizing, that I am still right!

I stated I was going to respond to his original post, after I apologized.

Theres nothing wrong with that anyway, we truly can disagree on things around here.

Thanks for the update.


Please,  you must understand that its not helpful to preach about love, forgiveness, responsibility for others and understanding....and then turn around and make the most heinous remarks to the contrary.  THAT, my friend, is a much more vivid show of true colors. [/quote]

Whatever you say Carmel, now leave me alone please.
Here you go. ::trophy::
Love,
Morli

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Post by: ehm on April 13, 2003, 03:22:00 PM

:grin:

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Post by: ehm on April 13, 2003, 03:35:00 PM

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Post by: Majiktrvls on April 13, 2003, 09:04:00 PM

You know, I have always been a peacemaker......I don't know why that is, but I accept it. I hate to see folks going at each other's throats the way Carmel and Morli have been. Life is just too short to waste such energy, in my opinion.
As I said before in another issue between two folks, or perhaps more, how you respond to a situation determines how much you are affected by the person(s). In other words, if you react with negativity, you are destroying your own peace of mind. Your pain becomes your own creation. If you refrain from making a negative response and let it go, you protect yourself from the hurt and anger associated with whatever you feel toward that person(s). You may not always be able to avoid difficult situations, but you can determine your own feelings by how you choose to respond.
Morli, now it is also your responsibility to let it go. You may or not agree with what I have to say, that is your option, but perhaps you will take it for what it is worth, without judgement, and maybe find some worth in my words.  :smile:

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Post by: ehm on April 13, 2003, 10:05:00 PM

I agree with you.  

What I'd really like to know is how your above post is edited my me? That is weird.
Morli

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Post by: Majiktrvls on April 13, 2003, 10:19:00 PM

I have absolutely no idea......that is too weird. Did you try to mess with my post? (Just kidding).  :grin:  Ginger??? Any reasons?

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Post by: ehm on April 13, 2003, 10:29:00 PM

:lol:Nope, was not me, that is too strange :lol:
 
Did you even edit your post in the first place?

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Post by: Majiktrvls on April 13, 2003, 10:43:00 PM

Nope, I did not. I wanted to tell you something else, but I got busy doing other stuff and did not edit it.

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Post by: Antigen on April 13, 2003, 10:54:00 PM

Hmmmm.. that is very strange... Leme know if it happens again?

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein

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Post by: ehm on April 13, 2003, 11:07:00 PM

Did I forget to mention, I'm magic too... ::alieneyesa::

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Post by: Carmel on April 13, 2003, 11:26:00 PM

I am truly beside myself.  You tell me to fuck myself, and that my children are doomed.  And I am the bully.  Wow.

On that note, let me offer my most humble apologies.  I am sorry for being the big bad witch who wants nothing more to insult, humiliate, bully and bring you down.  Can you forgive me?  Please?

Harrasment is just a special feature I have, its part of what makes me a complete person.  If I didnt have people to consistently torment on this board, I just wouldnt have anything to live for.

I am deluded and completely ill mentally.  I beg you to pardon my severe transgressions and try and see past the rough exterior, and bestow some of your kindness and generosity upon my tourtured soul.  After all, helping us less fortunates is what you do best.

Will you please pray for my children as well?   Oh, Im sorry, I've crossed the line...Ive attempted to assume that you pray....I know how you feel about Jesus being pushed on you.  There, ive gone and been heinously offensive once more.

It must be wonderful, being so fortunate as to see so far outside the fog so clearly, I hope to one day be able to see as you do.

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Post by: 85 Day Jerk on April 14, 2003, 12:08:00 AM

If you crazy kids don't kiss and make up, I am gonna start crying.  I know you are new to the forum and all, but I have found it burns someones ass with a fire twice as hot if you just simply ignore their jabs.

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Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2003, 12:32:00 AM

Carmel,
   Too funny. I get where your coming from and think Morli is a hyprocrite who will never let it go between you and her.I tell you some people just don't get it.Get over yourself Morli and try to be rational.

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Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2003, 12:48:00 AM

Hey Anon, it's called GRAMMAR. Give it a try. Also, try out spell check....It helps!!!!! :wave:

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Post by: JDavid on April 14, 2003, 05:18:00 AM

I see the point of view of both sides.  The way this is being carried out (from both sides) is much better than most Internet disputes.  If we can avoid typing messages which pick one side or the other, that would be good.  All it does anyway is make the person you picked sides against have to type responses to you too, so let's spare them some typing.

David

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Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2003, 11:06:00 PM

Ohhhh I just love it when Straightlings fall into thier o so Straight ways of taking each others moral inventory and ripping each other some new asshole. It reminds me of group, such fond memories. Staff call on me (Im motivating) I want in on the fun, call on me! Love ya

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Post by: Carmel on April 15, 2003, 11:28:00 AM

I agree....LETS HAVE A SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2003, 02:02:00 AM

let's all relate about tearing someone a new asshole?

Isn't this fun?

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Post by: JDavid on April 16, 2003, 07:21:00 AM

I can relate.  In my past, Straight gave me about 300 new assholes.  I came out of that place as a pure shit fountain.

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Post by: Carmel on April 16, 2003, 10:09:00 AM

Methinks someone would probably get set-back for attempting to relate about shit fountains.  :grin:

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Post by: JDavid on April 16, 2003, 10:33:00 AM

I am a shit fountain; hear me roar in numbers to big to ignore


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Post by: Carmel on April 16, 2003, 10:38:00 AM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


....and I shit too much to go back and pretend.....*loud spurting noise*.....

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Post by: JDavid on April 16, 2003, 10:48:00 AM

I've shit a lot before and now I'm shitting on the floor!

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Post by: Carmel on April 16, 2003, 10:54:00 AM

....no ones ever gonna step in my shit again!.... :rofl:

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Post by: JDavid on April 16, 2003, 11:04:00 AM

::bwahaha2::  ::cheers::

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Post by: Carmel on April 16, 2003, 11:48:00 AM

::nod::

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Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2003, 04:08:00 PM

:wave:  :wave:

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Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2003, 01:24:00 AM

"It?s just that the aggressive Jesus shoving really annoys me."

I don't see that I was aggressive in my mention of Jesus.

I like Him alot. I know what He has done for me. I don't have an expectation on you to do anything about Jesus. I am not your (or anyone's) conscience and tend to get irritated with hard sells even when it comes to something as wonderful as Jesus. We see this done alot, and people "convert", then just as quickly change their mind, because they weren't really ready to "go that route".

So I mention Jesus casually, because He is the driving passion of my life. It is the majority of who I am.

On the other hand, Jesus will wreck one's life and one will be hated by people everywhere if one lives for Him and cleaves to Him. Scripture is clear on this point. An angel who appeared to me as a man, a friend, told me once, "if we really knew what it meant to be Christians (prior to saying "yes"), we would never have gotten saved...". I thought he was kidding at first because he was smiling, but he was totally serious.

 So, logically speaking, no one should ever get saved unless they are either gluttons for punishment, or unless they are smitten with love and want to live for ever. Either way, logic is gone and replaced with excessive, unbalanced, emotionally-charged fanaticism. :silly:

I hope this clarifies things a little. No hard sell here. Jesus may not be for you at all. It's too late for me though. I know what He has done for me.
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As for the apology, it is sufficient. It seems that Carmel has taken to bat for me on this subject which I appreciated, but now I think we should be drop the strong language for the sake of unity. There are people who may be reading these posts and we need to promote a safer environment here for their sake.

Thank you for standing up for me, Carmel. It took courage to do this. But I don't want to be a source of division on this board. So, I hope you can find it in your heart to move on from this thing. I think Morli misunderstood where I was coming from and has apologized the best way Morli could.
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My parents are in town. We are having a good visit. A drastic change from when I was getting high only a couple years prior. They tried to understand me, but the brainwashing prevented them somewhat. Now that I am sober, they don't feel like failures or something, I suppose. I don't have the heart to set the record straight about Straight. I think they are too old to process that information without blowing a fuse, so I am glad that I can come here and share with you guys what I can't share with them. Good night.

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Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2005, 05:25:00 PM

Bump bitch

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Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2005, 07:38:00 PM

MMW
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Are you done yet? Or are you gonna keep showing your true colors for all to see? I'm embarrassed for you. Could you please, pretty please, with sugar on top, [expletive deleted] the hell off now? All you've done in the last 2 months is try to drive me away. Now go [expletive deleted] yourself bitch. I feel sorry for your children.

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Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2005, 07:42:00 PM

2003-04-11 15:38:00

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Post by: linchpin on July 04, 2005, 09:50:00 PM

Just wanted to pop in and say Jesus is dead.
 Have a nice day.