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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 19, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
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J'ai lancé un ultimatum à T.Bay !
14 jours pour fermer leurs portes sans quoi je ne jure de rien.
Il y a urgence. Il faut s'y rendre, pénétrer dans le centre, il faut etre nombreux, fairé évacuer nous-mêmes s'il ne le font pas eux. Rendez vous le vendredi 6 février ! A tous ! Libérons ces enfants !
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J'ai lancé un ultimatum à T.Bay !
14 jours pour fermer leurs portes sans quoi je ne jure de rien.
Il y a urgence. Il faut s'y rendre, pénétrer dans le centre, il faut etre nombreux, fairé évacuer nous-mêmes s'il ne le font pas eux. Rendez vous le vendredi 6 février ! A tous ! Libérons ces enfants !
Rough Translation
Subject: Closing
I gave an ultimatum to T.Bay!
14 days to close their doors without which i promise nothing. This is an emergency. It is necessary to return there, break into the centre, it is necessary to be numerous, to make an evacuation ourselves if they do not do it. Meeting Friday 6th Febuary! To all! Let's Liberate the children!
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And here I thought it was spam.
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C'mon Ghislain- let's see this shit!!
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And here I thought it was spam.
That's why i translated it. Odd that somebody would post in french on this site... Probably figures Americans could understand it... 8-)
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Yeah, probably not the best fermenting grape for the wineglass. :lol:
But think, if he does do it without our help, that would mean that we've all been outdone...
...by the French.
::mecry::
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Yeah, probably not the best fermenting grape for the wineglass. :lol:
But think, if he does do it without our help, that would mean that we've all been outdone...
...by the French.
::mecry::
Hey. The french don't take shit lying down. Labor laws piss students off, the whole city goes ape shit, riots break out, cars get burned out etc.. I'd love to see a program try their shit in France. The locals would bring back the guillotine. ::bigsmilebounce:: ::stab::
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I'm just thinking a storming of the Bastille, and then some good old fashioned Robespierre. Guillotine indeed.
I guess I better respond to this in a serious way, though.
Ghislain, some bad news: Fornits is not the place to organize something like this. Especially if you don't speak our language. If you're serious- and it honestly doesn't sound like you're serious in the least- you ought to already have some kind of force on your side before you even attempt something like this. Don't tell me you came here all alone, expecting an army to materialize out of nowhere. I'd love it too, but things don't work like that.
Especially if you announce it in public like this. You ever think that it might be a little, well, y'know.. illegal? Jamaica's laws aren't France's laws, or America's laws for that matter. And great job warning TB, too. :roll:
Personally, I'd love to see the local rastas kick some serious Mormon ass, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen, either.
Ghislain, unless you have a lot more on your side than it looks, put away your soapbox and grab some fucking realism.
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The TB film must be getting some good airplay over in France.
I was able to email the producers and they emailed me a PDF order form for the full length TB documentary and I am going to order it once I figure out the translation and make sure Im doing it right.
It says something about a "banc transfer" and gives a bank number, I dont know anything about that so I am going to send a money order and hope that works.
Its something like 40 bucks with shipping so hopefully it will work, fingers crossed I really want to see the 90 min version.
Thanks for the translation I figured this was some kind of spam too.
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What we need is to get this some airtime in Jamaica, and combine it with a special on the racism of Mormons, as well as something on how WWASPS is made to fight marijuana (a sacred herb in the Rastafarian religion).
The locals will go apeshit. We can talk all we want in white man's land about this and that, but if the locals go nuts there's nothing that will stop them. They'll just immolate the place. The only thing we really need is a way to make sure the kids don't get hurt in the middle of it...
Niles and TSW: It's like a habbo raid, only for real.
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The problem is we can not easily get a ton of people to the Old Wharf Hotel...
And yes, Tranquility Bay used to be known as that.
At any rate, its an oppressive hotel full of teenagers with a pool. Thus,
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But uh, how do we get the troops there? And um, aren't the guards there armed? And wouldn't the Embassy there basically side with the Kays?
And isn't an anti terror law about to get us all in some deep shit? :roll: Keep dreaming, but unless our French friend has some serious coin and knows the right people, this will not go anywhere. I would like to see a LEGAL protest, but that would cost almost as much money to do, and would get even less attention.
You're gonna have to start shit up that will get on the news in the USA, basically, and I doubt any action in France would make the cut - same for anything in Jamaica short of crossing the line, and I will not condone that.
Not because its illegal, but because I don't want to see people thrown in jail (or gitmo) over this shit. But the fact that it is illegal is a big factor too!
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Niles. You know freeing slaves was illegal, yet the Underground Railroad existed. Hiding Jews in WWII Germany was illegal. DO the right thing, regardless of the consequences, you'll feel better about yourself.
In this case, the legal system has been completely exhausted... Meanwhile, the kids are suffering. Screw the legality of the thing, storm the place, and the evidence collected in the aftermath will be your vindication. Even if you do time for it... isn't the prevented suffering worth it?
I wish, i really wish, there were programs in the Northern VA / DC area.
Unlike you. I DO condone any action ending the existence of such facilities. Unlike you, i am unafraid to say it publicly. I don't give a good god damn about "terror", or any other legislation. I do what I believe is right.
You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.
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I wish, i really wish, there were programs in the Northern VA / DC area.
No you don't. Sit back for a moment and think how lucky you are to be among people who just don't do that shit. The culture forbids. It ought to forbid it everywhere.
Seriously Psy, if you're going to risk your ass going gung-fucking-ho against a program, can't you at least spend time planning it and then carrying it out in the summer? :roll:
I hope law enforcement is reading this. HEY LAW ENFORCEMENT! Big :wave: to all the LEOs out in the audience. Protecting kids from sadists is supposed to be your job, remember? Good job on the Hinton business, I'm sure you were reading this site, but there's too many others out there. It's the same goddamn sicko shit everywhere in this business. These places can't let themselves be regulated (as in, stopped from hurting kids) for a reason. Search the site and read the horror stories if you don't believe me.
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Niles. You know freeing slaves was illegal, yet the Underground Railroad existed. Hiding Jews in WWII Germany was illegal. DO the right thing, regardless of the consequences, you'll feel better about yourself.
In this case, the legal system has been completely exhausted... Meanwhile, the kids are suffering. Screw the legality of the thing, storm the place, and the evidence collected in the aftermath will be your vindication. Even if you do time for it... isn't the prevented suffering worth it?
I wish, i really wish, there were programs in the Northern VA / DC area.
Unlike you. I DO condone any action ending the existence of such facilities. Unlike you, i am unafraid to say it publicly. I don't give a good god damn about "terror", or any other legislation. I do what I believe is right.
You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.
I know better than to fuck around with the anti terror laws and end up with no habeas corpus rights and in GITMO, Psy.
I also don't want to drag ginger into anything like that.
If you wanna hang your balls out like that, more power to you. But the farthest I will support publically is going to be civil disobedience, and I'd rather do it right, without breaking any laws, and without potentially fucking up and giving them ammo to use against us.
Overlordd got slapped with THUH LAW over this shit, but he had some help. I don't have ANY except for what the lovely men and women of fornits might offer to me... so unless a lot of rich lurkers feel like stepping up to the plate, uh, wtf do you expect me to say?
Doing nothing is better than majorly fucking up publically, Psy. We have ONE chance to get this into the news without it turning into a propaganda victory for these fuckwads.
If you wanna do it, DO IT RIGHT. Go work for a program and report them for shit you see personally, or stage a legal protest.
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Liebe Verzweifelte Eltern:
Wir von den stolzen Bürgern von Deutschland Wunsch, unsere gütigsten Grüße auszudehnen. Hier in Deutschland sind wir auf von unseren gemeinen Konzentrationslagernwurzeln fortgeschritten. Wir keine längeren Gase der undesirables. Anstatt wir predigen für das muss formen Kinder in Ein wie Gemüt. Für dieses haben wir das Hilter Jugend Programm wiedergeeinsetzt. Für ein sehr preiswert die ganzen Kinder von Deutschland werden in Ein geformt, wie Körper bedacht hat. Ich wünsche nur, dass wir Ihnen arme rückwärts Amerikaner die gleiche Hand in Freundschaft anbieten könnten, damit Ihre Kinder nicht kennen würden, dass die Hölle durchleben von Leben mit einem Kolostomiensack.
Vielen Dank,
Kapitän Mark DeMarc
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Babelfish:
Love despaired to parents: We of the proud citizens of Germany desire to expand our most good-natured greetings. Here in Germany we progressed on of our common concentration camp roots. We no longer gases that undesirables. Instead of we preach for that must form children in like mind. For this we wiedergeeinsetzt the Hilter youth program. For very inexpensive the whole children of Germany in are formed, as body considered. I wish only that we could offer poor backwards Americans the same hand in friendship to you, so that your children would not know that through-live hell on lives with a Kolostomiensack. Thank you, Captain Mark of DeMarc
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Niles. You know freeing slaves was illegal, yet the Underground Railroad existed. Hiding Jews in WWII Germany was illegal. DO the right thing, regardless of the consequences, you'll feel better about yourself.
In this case, the legal system has been completely exhausted... Meanwhile, the kids are suffering. Screw the legality of the thing, storm the place, and the evidence collected in the aftermath will be your vindication. Even if you do time for it... isn't the prevented suffering worth it?
I wish, i really wish, there were programs in the Northern VA / DC area.
Unlike you. I DO condone any action ending the existence of such facilities. Unlike you, i am unafraid to say it publicly. I don't give a good god damn about "terror", or any other legislation. I do what I believe is right.
You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.
I know better than to fuck around with the anti terror laws and end up with no habeas corpus rights and in GITMO, Psy.
I also don't want to drag ginger into anything like that.
If you wanna hang your balls out like that, more power to you. But the farthest I will support publically is going to be civil disobedience, and I'd rather do it right, without breaking any laws, and without potentially fucking up and giving them ammo to use against us.
Overlordd got slapped with THUH LAW over this shit, but he had some help. I don't have ANY except for what the lovely men and women of fornits might offer to me... so unless a lot of rich lurkers feel like stepping up to the plate, uh, wtf do you expect me to say?
Doing nothing is better than majorly fucking up publically, Psy. We have ONE chance to get this into the news without it turning into a propaganda victory for these fuckwads.
I would argue, that with TB, and many other places, doing anything is better than doing nothing. Any and all publicity to bring such places into the spotlight is a good thing. I am sorry but i aggree with frenchie. Storm the place and let the feds sort it out. I'm not saying to kill anybody. I'm just saying (like frenchie) to storm the place and set the kids loose.
And as far as anti-terrorism legislation goes, you have nothing at all to fear if you aren't Muslim. (at the moment at least) Sad but true. Also, TB isn't on US soil.
Go listen to some Dead Prez. They openly talk about, and endorse, assassinations of public leaders and overthrowing the US government. They aren't in jail. It's protected speech. Know your rights.
Also. Ginger is not legally liable for anything people say on this board. Period.
If you wanna do it, DO IT RIGHT. Go work for a program and report them for shit you see personally, or stage a legal protest.
And what would a legal protest do? Annoy them mildly? Pfft. And how can civil disobedience be used in this situation?
Fucking hell. Invite the media to the party. Have them interview the kids before anybody else gets a chance to. While you're breaking the kids out, loot the file-cabinet and hand the information to the press (telling them to make copies quickly). Then watch the media shitstorm... Those kids are visably mistreated (bruised, malnourished, etc...). It's a photo-journalist's dream.
Let Ken Kay prosecute after that... He wont. I'll tell you why. Because he can deny any knowledge of what was going on at TB and save his reputation (and the rest of his schools). He can blame it all on the local administration who "betrayed his trust". He's done it before. Did you see the Montana PBS documentary?
And see what the parents say when they see their kids like that. See how many lawsuits, criminal prosecutions, etc. stack up after that.
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Ok, then just tell me one thing.
How do we circumvent the following?- Armed Guards
- Foreign Soil... and an unfriendly embassy
- Foreign Media...
- Last but not least, the money to fucking get there in the first place.
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Ok, then just tell me one thing.
How do we circumvent the following?- Armed Guards
- Foreign Soil... and an unfriendly embassy
- Foreign Media...
- Last but not least, the money to fucking get there in the first place.
clowns... with bananas and pies
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And clowns have means of transportation to Jamaica how, exactly?
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Armed Guards
Armed most likely with less than lethal weaponry (ie. tazers etc.). They are most likely untrained (at best rent-a-cops) and would be easily subdued (especially if the "attackers" were also armed with less than lethal weaponry). Superior numbers (as frenchie mentioned) is also desirable to overpower them.
Foreign Soil... and an unfriendly embassy
I grew up overseas. My dad works for the US Dept of State.
Foreign soil? Americans overseas are subject to local law (unless they have diplomatic status). I don't see the issue here.
The embassy? They have no authority over the matter (though the counselor officer and/or duty officer would be in for a hell of a day dealing with the passports, etc.) They can offer assistance to people in danger of imprisonment, but otherwise their hands are tied. The US Dept of state, AFAIK, has issued warnings against these schools, and Embassies are usually made up of very liberal personnel.
Foreign Media...
What problem specifically?
Last but not least, the money to fucking get there in the first place.
That is the problem for whoever decides to do such a thing. All it would take is a few hundred dollars (per person) for the ticket and supplies.
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And clowns have means of transportation to Jamaica how, exactly?
Their little car, silly! Do you have any idea how many people you can fit into one of those things?
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Psy, I was told they were AKs.
This is Jamaica, NOT the fucking states, AK's go for like a few cigarettes and a live chicken.
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what about a rubber chicken?
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Psy, I was told they were AKs.
This is Jamaica, NOT the fucking states, AK's go for like a few cigarettes and a live chicken.
If they are armed with AKs.... That changes everything.
In that case... Although I would not endorse sniping the guards off from a distance... should that hypothetically happen, I would laugh.
A person wanting to liberate TB under those conditions would have to be willing to kill the guards, and most likely suffer the legal consequences of such action.
I wouldn't do it. But i could see somebody with nothing to lose doing it. Such a person, in my book, would be a hero. What? You expect sympathy for the guards from me? Not fucking likely.
In this case, I would think it would be much easier to do what you suggested and infiltrate the place as an employee, exposing them from within.
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You or I can not infiltrate T-B. Only a jamaican, or a white guy who has WWASPS ties could.
So, that would be a long term "mole mission" or finding some rasta.
You or I could go to work for a two-bit program, easily, sure, but I'd be shocked ifI could get hired for WWASPS and them not find out who I am :rofl: if they're that stupid or inept then they deserve to get turned inside out but oh well.
But yeah, someone with nothing to lose would gain everything by doing this... how long they would survive is up for debate though.
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TB would not exist if these kids parents were not paying to keep the place open. You want these places shut down, talk to the parents because there will always be some piece of shit out there willing to sell private prison space for yuppie's teens.
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Liebe Verzweifelte Eltern:
Wir von den stolzen Bürgern von Deutschland Wunsch, unsere gütigsten Grüße auszudehnen. Hier in Deutschland sind wir auf von unseren gemeinen Konzentrationslagernwurzeln fortgeschritten. Wir keine längeren Gase der undesirables. Anstatt wir predigen für das muss formen Kinder in Ein wie Gemüt. Für dieses haben wir das Hilter Jugend Programm wiedergeeinsetzt. Für ein sehr preiswert die ganzen Kinder von Deutschland werden in Ein geformt, wie Körper bedacht hat. Ich wünsche nur, dass wir Ihnen arme rückwärts Amerikaner die gleiche Hand in Freundschaft anbieten könnten, damit Ihre Kinder nicht kennen würden, dass die Hölle durchleben von Leben mit einem Kolostomiensack.
Vielen Dank,
Kapitän Mark DeMarc
http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/ (http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/)
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?
Wassup with OverLordd? Did Sue Scheff sue him or something?
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?
Why aren't they in there? I dunno. Lack of oil perhaps? Defense industry opportunities?
Oh yeah... sure... Completely non violent. With the marines. Sure. News flash: Marines are trained to kill... If somebody in a position of authority wanted the place shut down they would use the legal system, not the military.
Non violent is always a better way to go. It is preferable to violence. One of these days, however, somebody with nothing to lose is going to attempt to take violent action against these programs (out of frustration if nothing else). It won't be me. But it will happen eventually.
When the legal system supports/permits wrongdoing, the only way to do right is to circumvent/fight the system. We don't exactly live in a pure democracy, we live under a representative democracy... and those representatives are vulnerable to corruption (see K street). If laws were truly made by the people, I might be of a different opinion, but as it is, policy is dictated by the highest bidder. Under what premise are such policies/legislation deserving of my respect or obedience?
So yes. I support any action to take down programs, legal or not. Preferably, non violent (or at least not lethal).
Edit: I should note that legal options should always be the first resort. However, in dire circumstances, when legal options fail...
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C'est fantastique que cette industrie vile devient assez renommée que les gens dans Europe le condamnent. La pression internationale est toujours une bonne chose quand quelque chose immoral est fait parce qu'il alerte le local à ce que va sur.
For those who feel i am being a pretentious ass. Guilty as charged but here is the translation with a little added
it is fantastic that this vile industry is becoming well known enough that people in europe are condemning it. International pressure is always a good thing when something immoral is being done because it alerts the locals to what is going on. the french guy may have used somewhat revolutionary language but at least it protrayed the feelings of disgust that most people with a heart feel when they read about this.
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I know better than to fuck around with the anti terror laws and end up with no habeas corpus rights and in GITMO, Psy.
I also don't want to drag ginger into anything like that.
If you wanna hang your balls out like that, more power to you. But the farthest I will support publically is going to be civil disobedience, and I'd rather do it right, without breaking any laws, and without potentially fucking up and giving them ammo to use against us.
Overlordd got slapped with THUH LAW over this shit, but he had some help. I don't have ANY except for what the lovely men and women of fornits might offer to me... so unless a lot of rich lurkers feel like stepping up to the plate, uh, wtf do you expect me to say?
Doing nothing is better than majorly fucking up publically, Psy. We have ONE chance to get this into the news without it turning into a propaganda victory for these fuckwads.
If you wanna do it, DO IT RIGHT. Go work for a program and report them for shit you see personally, or stage a legal protest.
Don't come to me with no petition, fool... come to me with AMMUNITION!
WORD LIFE! Bust a fuckin' cap in their ass!!! (http://http://elouai.com/images/yahoo/04.gif)
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For those who feel i am being a pretentious ass. Guilty as charged
:roll: Don't let it happen again. :evil:
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You know that quote that goes something like.. "all it takes for evil to persist is for good men to do nothing"..
Well think of it like this. All the parents of these kids have to do, is DO NOTHING. Stop paying thousands of dollars per month to child abusers, plain and simple. IN this case, that quote is wrong, all it takes for evil to END is for these parents to withhold their money.
Simple.. right?
If someone really wanted to do some militant action, go steal the parent list, and then go in person to each parents house and hand them a copy of the TB documentary and don't leave until they watch every second of it.
It's not like TB is some foreign terrorist government, they are just an outsource of the American middle class.
Do we go shut down the manufacturers of porn DVD in CHina if we want to pass a law against porn? No, they are just the saps fulfilling the order. Just like the US war on drugs, we go after the supplier never realizing that the US is the #1 consumer. IF the demand were not there it would not exist. Poof, it's gone. Just like that!
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If you hire someone to kill someone for you, you are the one charged with first degree murder.
So why aren't these parents charged with child abuse?
The day the parents start getting charged with child abuse, and this huge fraud of an argument "ignorance" is abolished, that's when things will start to change.
They beat us into submission to take "accountability" for our actions.
Fucking hypocritical bastard motherfuckers.
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If you hire someone to kill someone for you, you are the one charged with first degree murder.
So why aren't these parents charged with child abuse?
The day the parents start getting charged with child abuse, and this huge fraud of an argument "ignorance" is abolished, that's when things will start to change.
They beat us into submission to take "accountability" for our actions.
Fucking hypocritical bastard motherfuckers.
I hear you and I'm with you 100% on this, but please elaborate on your 4th sentence.. are you talking about what happens whern you are actually in a program? If so, then i understand perfectly.
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More bad news. Not only will the locals not go apeshit, they actually shut down their own Treasure Beach News forum when discussion of the place broke out there. See, it's bad for tourism from the ex-pat point of view. As I recall, they actually liked Ken Kay better than the all-inclusive devils. And the natives, having come up in relatively lawless abject poverty, don't really see what all the gus mus is about a bunch of rich white devils getting some discipline. So what, right?
But who knows? Everybody loves a brawl and a riot and ya just never know what can happen when a crowd turns into a mob and starts acting on instinct.
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More bad news. Not only will the locals not go apeshit, they actually shut down their own Treasure Beach News forum when discussion of the place broke out there. See, it's bad for tourism from the ex-pat point of view. As I recall, they actually liked Ken Kay better than the all-inclusive devils. And the natives, having come up in relatively lawless abject poverty, don't really see what all the gus mus is about a bunch of rich white devils getting some discipline. So what, right?
But who knows? Everybody loves a brawl and a riot and ya just never know what can happen when a crowd turns into a mob and starts acting on instinct.
"all-inclusive devils" Don't get....
Hey, let's just make it simple and bomb Jamaica! :idea:
Sure some innocents would die; war's a bitch. ::both:: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :tup:
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Holy sheep shit! Fornits have the power to unite the French and Germans!
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If you hire someone to kill someone for you, you are the one charged with first degree murder.
So why aren't these parents charged with child abuse?
The day the parents start getting charged with child abuse, and this huge fraud of an argument "ignorance" is abolished, that's when things will start to change.
They beat us into submission to take "accountability" for our actions.
Fucking hypocritical bastard motherfuckers.
I hear you and I'm with you 100% on this, but please elaborate on your 4th sentence.. are you talking about what happens whern you are actually in a program? If so, then i understand perfectly.
Yeah thats exactly what I was trying to say.. with the seminars/raps/workseets/prophets/group its all about forcing the kid to blame themselves 100% for where they are. I think thats why parents like programs so much, because they get someone else to brainwash their kid that even though their parent beat them, or let uncle johnny rape them , it's all there fault. It's a fucked up thing to be beating into people's heads.. that they deserve abuse for whatever reason. Nobody does! And in WWASPS one of the seminars is actually called acountability (or used to be).. something parents and program people know absolutely nothing about.
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More bad news. Not only will the locals not go apeshit, they actually shut down their own Treasure Beach News forum when discussion of the place broke out there. See, it's bad for tourism from the ex-pat point of view. As I recall, they actually liked Ken Kay better than the all-inclusive devils. And the natives, having come up in relatively lawless abject poverty, don't really see what all the gus mus is about a bunch of rich white devils getting some discipline. So what, right?
But who knows? Everybody loves a brawl and a riot and ya just never know what can happen when a crowd turns into a mob and starts acting on instinct.
Well, thanks for making it easier on me to see collateral damage and 'unfortunate' civilian deaths occur.
Nothing like this of all topics to make you even harder and more bitter, huh?
Hell, sometimes when I think, I wonder just HOW fucked up they are, and if it would be a favor to them to end their lives along with everyone else... would certainly make it a lot simpler to simply attack a target instead of get hostages out first and secure the area, and then there is the whole issue of being pursued!
In the end, I think its a good thing for their sake I lack both the means and the will to carry out such a 'filibuster' on foreign land. Give me too much power with all of this weighing down on my mind and pretty soon Jamaica will be under new management. :lol:
Or maybe some agent provocateur action to make the mob go after the Mormons and the Uncle Tom's instead of the kids when the shit goes down? Hrm... choices, choices!
AND CONSEQUENCES! :em:
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Give me too much power with all of this weighing down on my mind and pretty soon Jamaica will be under new management.
Annuit fucking Coeptis.
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Annuit fucking Coeptis.
George Washington had a whig problem.
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?
Why aren't they in there? I dunno. Lack of oil perhaps? Defense industry opportunities?
Oh yeah... sure... Completely non violent. With the marines. Sure. News flash: Marines are trained to kill...
Yo, Moto, everyone knows the Marines are trained to kill you stuffed pea-brain. That's why it would be bloodless.
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?
Wassup with OverLordd? Did Sue Scheff sue him or something?
Did you even think before you posted this?
Quite obviously, I think a lot more than either you or the marines. Ding, dong! Anybody home in that block on your head?
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Look, if someone can cough up some dough... and I can verify its not an agent provocateur...
(http://http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2820/afroduck24gs.jpg)
(http://http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/914/tbpoolbadshoop7nm.jpg)
If only... :cry: if only...
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OMG, so THAT'S afro duck! Oh he so totally rules.
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(http://http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4281/afroduck6av.jpg)
Thats the true monument to the avian lord of the raiders.
He stands against AIDS, racism, oppression, and bigotry... and pedophiles.
Basically, the natural enemy of programmies
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what about the avian flu?
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I'm not sure how you would deal with TB....but as I've read alot about program kids being unable to call the police, why don't you all bombard them with calls of abuse allegations, over & over until they go investigate, if everyone in every state did it, then sirely they have to investigate?
Even if they don't the attention of the press will surely make some poele sit up & listen?
I know it can be donem, i have e mailed the police in the US over a paedophile case from tthe UK, so being in the same country you guys can do the same.
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Niles, would you please re-size that picture? Screws up the page size.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=240836#240836 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=240836#240836)
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I'm not sure how you would deal with TB....but as I've read alot about program kids being unable to call the police, why don't you all bombard them with calls of abuse allegations, over & over until they go investigate, if everyone in every state did it, then sirely they have to investigate?
Even if they don't the attention of the press will surely make some poele sit up & listen?
I know it can be donem, i have e mailed the police in the US over a paedophile case from tthe UK, so being in the same country you guys can do the same.
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The cops in my family say all it takes for the po-pos to get a warrant and go check a program themselves is someone to swear out an appadavit...
So, uh, wtf? Are people either too scared to do that or are the cops just not doing anything?
This goes for ALL programs, btw. Also, if anyone has told the authorities and they have done nothing, them terminating the investigation should be PUBLIC RECORD.
Maybe we need to collect it and build a case of corruption?
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what about the avian flu?
I think any sort of viral infection is not approved.