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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: bertc on January 09, 2007, 01:03:51 PM
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Does anyone know anything about this school? Run by Chuck and Cara Kanner. The website looks like a ClubMed ad but Google Earth doesn't support the pix.
We're considering therapeutic schools for my 16 yr. old. Before you all lambast me for my insane failings as a father...save it. I've spent countless days on this site and many others....I hear you. In fact I tend to agree. We are carefully and lovingly looking at all options that will help him out of the bad place he's in.
Any and all insight is much appreciated.
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If you've read it so much then why are you still looking for placement.
Is something wrong? Treat it.
Is nothing wrong? Good for you!
Is it ever worth taking them from their home environment, away from all their friends, family, possessions, familiarity, luxuries and freedoms and keeping them somewhere? No.
Is it especially bad to break the child/parent bond in such a way? Yes...
Basically, uh, why are you doing this? Is something actually wrong or do you just want to not play parent anymore?
[troll8]
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he's been arrested twice in the last 30 days...ecstasy possession and B&E, 2nd charge is a felony... status pending
Complete disregard for all family rules...blatant use of pot and other drugs, running away, diagnosed as bipolar within 45 minutes after admission to a pysch. ward (voluntary)...I think that's bullshit but we're continueing to pursue a diagnosis, semester just ended and he has a 1.2 GPA. Not that I give a shit about his grades as they relate to his future...but it is symptomatic of the bigger picture.
he's been in therapy for over a year, medicated, off medication, on medication....his social circle is exclusively about drug use "I need a sack dude!"...
He's in or very close to crisis...I'm primarily trying to keep him out of prison AND make some changes too....
Before you all accuse me of being a faulted parent,... understand that I've read this forum ENDLESSLY and believe we have been doing exactly what is suggested. IT"S NOT WORKING... and before I need to go see him at a State Prison...I have to do something to help.
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Well, as the management? here has said, if you have the money to afford a program, you have the money to do it yourself!
Go on a trip somewhere, away from all the bullshit, and just go see shit. Go tour europe or something.
Ultimately more useful than getting shipped off somewhere, getting zero therapy and tons of bullshit, and any growing up to be had was his own growing up.
I mean, you do know that if you read EEEEEEEVERYTHING, right?
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can't disagree.....probably time to refresh the old perspective vs. embracing something new. That is how we have parented all 4 kids for the last 16 years. Just cause it's not working right now is not reason to abandon it. Thank you.
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Wow.
Took you no time at all to realize the whole "removed from kids" vs "with your kids" thing.
Now if only the StrugglingTards could get that....
But seriously!
a) THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE WHO CANT AFFORD PROGRAMS WHO GET BY FINE!
b) IF YOU CAN AFFORD ONE YOU CAN GET A BODY GUARD TO FOLLOW THE KID AND KEEP THEM OUT OF TROUBLE OR GO ON VACATION.
Wow. Imagine that.
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a) THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE WHO CANT AFFORD PROGRAMS WHO GET BY FINE!
Hello, that would be me.
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Then open your mouth more often?
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Then open your mouth more often?
I'll try, but hey man.. I've got drugs to do, women to fuck, and bands to play in! I'm booked up! :rofl:
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My advice is this...
- Setup family counseling with a psychologist
- Arrange for individual therapy for your son, and others if need be
- Work with a psychologist to make constructive changes to your family's environment
- Arrange for your son to see a psychiatrist to run diagnostic test for any mental illnesses
- Use a hospital psych ward for temporary institutionalization in times of immediate(life threating) crisis and only for the time needed for the crisis to pass, which should be no more then a week in most cases
- Take no action out of desperation
Know this about most programs, They are unregulated and lack oversight. In most cases the staff are neither trained or qualified and make unrealistic claims. Sending your son to any program is at best a roll of the dice and should never be an option you take out of desperation. The troubled-teen industry is filled to the brim with con men and fanatics who prey upon the desperation of parents with troubled youth. You are much better off sticking to conventional(slow moving and frustrating) treatment methods, I've outlined some(but not all) of these methods above.
Getting real treatment for your son will be frustrating, time consuming, and painful but it's better then sending him to a program that will not treat him.... or may even abuse him.
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My advice is this...
- Setup family counseling with a psychologist
- Arrange for individual therapy for your son, and others if need be
- Work with a psychologist to make constructive changes to your family's environment
- Arrange for your son to see a psychiatrist to run diagnostic test for any mental illnesses
- Use a hospital psych ward for temporary institutionalization in times of immediate(life threating) crisis and only for the time needed for the crisis to pass, which should be no more then a week in most cases
- Take no action out of desperation
Know this about most programs, They are unregulated and lack oversight. In most cases the staff are neither trained or qualified and make unrealistic claims. Sending your son to any program is at best a roll of the dice and should never be an option you take out of desperation. The troubled-teen industry is filled to the brim with con men and fanatics who prey upon the desperation of parents with troubled youth. You are much better off sticking to conventional(slow moving and frustrating) treatment methods, I've outlined some(but not all) of these methods above.
Getting real treatment for your son will be frustrating, time consuming, and painful but it's better then sending him to a program that will not treat him.... or may even abuse him.
Those programs suck. At Straight Inc., all of the kids looked like pasty-faced zombies, they made you flap your arms in the air like crazed monkeys, you weren't even supposed to think about fucking girls (if you did you were supposed to talk about your weak "druggie" thoughts), they made you sit up straight in a chair 12 hours a day, you went to piss or shit when it convenient to THE GROUP, and you had staff telling you (and the group talking about) what a misfit druggie failure chemically dependent piece-of-shit you were and that straight and ONLY straight could help you save yourself from jail, insanity, or death, all three being choices that were more appealing than being THERE.....
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Florida has a lot of so-called schools which are not a quite as accredited as they claimed to be. In fact a boy lost his life in such a program during the summer. The program was shut down, but it was too late for the boy.
I have another suggestion. What about a formation trip to Europe. We have a system in Europe called InterRail:
http://www.interrail.net/index2.php?language=en (http://www.interrail.net/index2.php?language=en)
Basicly it is traveling by train around europe for a month. Buy him a backpack and sent him off. If he avoid eastern europe, he would be safe. It will be very challenging for him and he has to stay clean in order to keep his backpack. (He can write down a phonenumber someplace on his body, so he can call collect for a new one if he loses his backpack. He can also hide cash in his shoes - wear old shoes!)
It may sound dangerous, but in fact it properly be less dangerous than a TBS and way better in the long term as the relationship between him and you concern.
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As here, some fair questions get asked, but because there is a "therapeutic" element and it is a boarding school, it gets condemned by people with no real knowledge about it. At least condemnation ought to be based on facts of bad things and not generic presumption.
Look at the schools website. Among other things, they want parents to visit before making application. They encourage parents to spend a few days in the school with the kids following their routine. Who is hiding from what, or hiding what?
In other topics, some "regulars" acknowledge either that there are, or may be, or could be some good places -- which degree of accepting a place as good varying by individual. So why can't Sarasota Community School be good?
Clearly, the subject 16 y.o. needs a change of environment, if only to get his body clear of drugs. He also needs to experience positive things without drugs. And, he likely would benefit from some therapy/counselling. There are lots of ways to get to those things, and none are as easy as we may like.
Remember the originator said "he's been in therapy for over a year, medicated, off medication, on medication....his social circle is exclusively about drug use "I need a sack dude!"...
He's in or very close to crisis...I'm primarily trying to keep him out of prison AND make some changes too....
Before you all accuse me of being a faulted parent,... understand that I've read this forum ENDLESSLY and believe we have been doing exactly what is suggested. IT"S NOT WORKING... "
More of the same is supposed to be better??? Just because it isn't residental and therapeutic? Oh yeah --- phosps aren't automatically good either.
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The point we were trying to make is you can't remove the whole element of isolation and being trapped in such a place.
You're seperated from your family, which is NOT exactly good in the long term for therapy. Same for everything else I said above.
Even if this is the magical 'program' (thats not even a program anymore, by definition...) that has real schooling, no abuse, free phonecalls, decent food, normal amounts of freedom and fun activities, real therapy, no quackery, and no coersion, they're still going to keep him to some degree from his parents and the outside world, unless this actually lets him off campus.
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The point we were trying to make is you can't remove the whole element of isolation and being trapped in such a place.
You're seperated from your family, which is NOT exactly good in the long term for therapy. Same for everything else I said above.
Even if this is the magical 'program' (thats not even a program anymore, by definition...) that has real schooling, no abuse, free phonecalls, decent food, normal amounts of freedom and fun activities, real therapy, no quackery, and no coersion, they're still going to keep him to some degree from his parents and the outside world, unless this actually lets him off campus.
Maybe you should have checked into what type of facility this Dad was referring to before you slammed him right off the bat with out even knowing any of the details.
He obviously loves his son and was trying to get some help from this board...it's that exact reaction to anyone from the outside coming here for help or information, that keeps many of them from ever returning a second time.
I'm sure you feel proud of yourself for turning him around so fast with your "wisdom", but more than likely he just didn't feel like having a debate with someone who just likes to hear themselves talk. Sorry, but I've read enough of your posts and that does seem to be the case.
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No matter what facility it is he's still away from family, and outside his home, was my point.
So, why do you even say that when it is beside my point?
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No matter what facility it is he's still away from family, and outside his home, was my point.
So, why do you even say that when it is beside my point?
you said unless they let him off campus...which shows that you didn't have any info on this particular place before you jumped on him...and as far as your point goes..I guess it's that you are right about everything and know so much more than anyone else even if your information is limited....whatever.
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
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that is correct. I too have read enough reponses to parents asking for insight that were instantly slammed for poor parenting. The reality is I love my son more than anything and will do whatever is best for him....right now I'm trying to figure that out. I don't need to be told how to be a good father.
The post listing 5-6 steps to help your child at home was helpfull...the problem is we have done every single one of those things, includung a recent 5 day institutional stay for safety. He's miserable, frightened, angry,remorseful, vindictive, angry and in desperate need of professional help.
What I'm learning is that this problem is like catching a cloud...illusive and entirely inconclusive. One guy says."severe depression...take this.." the next guy says.." no..it's bipolar...take these..." the third guy ( hugely qualified from Duke Childrens Hospital) says..."it doesn't appear to be bipolar....looks like severe depression..."
Meanwhile my son is going through hell. His solution is to give me back my freedom and let me show you that I can make good decisions, etc...yet if he makes one miss-step he will likely go to jail.
While I respect everybody's right to an opinion, if your answer is to simply tell me that I suck...please don't.....
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?
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Well, checking their website, and finding... damn near nothing specific or of any substance, I don't know what to say!
I would ask: Do they have teachers. Are they ACTUAL teachers or is this some sort of teach yourself from a book kind of thing.
I would also ask: What KIND of therapy is given? The page on therapy is extremely general and seems to be a case study of misleading vividness becuase it has tons of adjectives and no substance! Quote from the site is:
"We integrate the therapeutic process with every aspect of our school. The therapeutic relationship is a special one in which trust elicits open dialog and safety for the exploration of the deepest thoughts and feelings your child has. Our main modality is group and community therapy. It is innovative and promotes real change that happens inside and out.
Daily groups or therapy sessions give students the opportunity to discuss problems, learn how to handle conflict, and to explore new and better ways to process their feelings. Once these tools are acquired and internalized, the class-room, the dormitory, the dining room, and the gymnasium become living laboratories for practicing these skills."
Wow, buzz words +10. Hrm. Still too vague.
The "family" page starts to trouble me, though.
"Visiting Sundays are held once each month from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. Before the first visit, parent must attend a New Parent Orientation." <- MUST attend orientation before seeing your kid? Uh, no. Once monthly visits is signifigantly better than the kind of visitation that most programs offer, but its still way too infrequent.
Naturally, you should be able to get your kid when you want, period, and if they try to threaten or whine or intimidate or spin around it, uh, fuck them, as it is YOUR child.
Another thing?
"All parents, step parents, and significant others are required to participate in one of our regional groups located throughout the US. These groups provide a supportive environment for parents to develop self-awareness, identify and confront dysfunctional behavior, and plan strategies for change within the family system. Participation in these monthly group meetings is mandatory. We reserve the right to terminate a family when the parents are unwilling to participate; however, we will never give up on your child. "
Sounds like a... SEMINAR. Ask about those and demand specifics!
"Dorm Life
Initially, boundaries and behavioral limits are foreign to many of our students. For that reason, our dormitories are highly-structured, allowing for positive peer support to help fellow students gain a sense of boundaries and the ability to accept the consequences of their actions."
Positive peer support? Is that a level system? Giving students control over other students? What? :roll: Red flag... Also, get specifics on what that structure is.
The clip art all over the site making it look like a ClubMed... dude, if you knew to look on google earth for pics of the actual facility, you should know the pictures on the website are NOT representative of the facility itself nine times out of ten. It's freaking clipart and stock photographs!
I think the "our vision" page sums it up the best. "This can be a double-edged sword ? intelligence and creativity are often the common denominators in most manipulative students."
I would look elsewhere. This looks like just another joke preying on worried parents using lots of buzzwords and descriptive language without actually divuldging any specifics at all.
I'm sorry if you got your hopes up but at least now you know you asked first, right?
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?
Justify your fear mongering somewhere else Karen, not all teens are homocidal maniacs. :roll:
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that is correct. I too have read enough reponses to parents asking for insight that were instantly slammed for poor parenting. The reality is I love my son more than anything and will do whatever is best for him....right now I'm trying to figure that out. I don't need to be told how to be a good father.
The post listing 5-6 steps to help your child at home was helpfull...the problem is we have done every single one of those things, includung a recent 5 day institutional stay for safety. He's miserable, frightened, angry,remorseful, vindictive, angry and in desperate need of professional help.
What I'm learning is that this problem is like catching a cloud...illusive and entirely inconclusive. One guy says."severe depression...take this.." the next guy says.." no..it's bipolar...take these..." the third guy ( hugely qualified from Duke Childrens Hospital) says..."it doesn't appear to be bipolar....looks like severe depression..."
Meanwhile my son is going through hell. His solution is to give me back my freedom and let me show you that I can make good decisions, etc...yet if he makes one miss-step he will likely go to jail.
While I respect everybody's right to an opinion, if your answer is to simply tell me that I suck...please don't.....
Bertc,
Just by you coming here it's obvious that you love your son very much. Your researching and asking questions which shows that you are not going to make a knee jerk decision that many frustrated parents make to place their children in places they actually know very little about.
Is there still a school in Sarasota called New Directions? My teenage boyfriend went there after being expelled from another school and getting into some serious trouble. It's a day school
that caters toward kids who are having both emotional and academic problems and the kids really liked it there because they were not forced to conform as they are in public school, so they felt they were accepted and able to express themselves without being judged, which allowed them to concentrate more on their classes.
Try and not let some of the crap people say on this board get to you. NO ONE knows what is happening in your family but your family, so whatever decisions you make, will be the ones that are right for you all.
I wish you and you son the best and hope that you guys will find the solution and peace you need.
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?
Justify your fear mongering somewhere else Karen, not all teens are homocidal maniacs. :roll:
Fear mongering? What post were you referring to cause I didn't get any of that from what was written :roll: :roll:
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
So report him to the proper authorities, why turn to a mind rape mill? >YAWN<
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
So report him to the proper authorities, why turn to a mind rape mill? >YAWN<
Hey if you're so tired go to bed then! Don't let us bore you
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Shit, fuck.
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Shit, fuck.
Excellent point, Smithers! ::bwahaha::
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children? Gee, didn't think of that did you.
I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?
Justify your fear mongering somewhere else Karen, not all teens are homocidal maniacs. :roll:
Fear mongering? What post were you referring to cause I didn't get any of that from what was written :roll: :roll:
The post I quoted! :P Obviously we feel different about how that post makes us feel but it certainly felt like fear mongering to me. Also known as psychological manipulation, trickery and/or dishonesty.
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Does anyone know anything about this school? Run by Chuck and Cara Kanner. The website looks like a ClubMed ad but Google Earth doesn't support the pix.
We're considering therapeutic schools for my 16 yr. old. Before you all lambast me for my insane failings as a father...save it. I've spent countless days on this site and many others....I hear you. In fact I tend to agree. We are carefully and lovingly looking at all options that will help him out of the bad place he's in.
Any and all insight is much appreciated.
Chuck Kanner 'graduated' from the closed down, law suit ridden DeSisto program.
My daughter went to that school. If you haven't already done it... DON'T DO IT! I seriously hope you didn't send your son there. If you already did, my advice would be to get him out QUICK.
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I haven't finished reading this thread. I don't know yet who bumped it or why and Bert's probably long gone by now, and Godspeed and all the best to ya, too! But I want to answer this while it's fresh on my slippery dark little mind.
What I'm learning is that this problem is like catching a cloud...illusive and entirely inconclusive. One guy says."severe depression...take this.." the next guy says.." no..it's bipolar...take these..." the third guy ( hugely qualified from Duke Childrens Hospital) says..."it doesn't appear to be bipolar....looks like severe depression..."
Meanwhile my son is going through hell. His solution is to give me back my freedom and let me show you that I can make good decisions, etc...yet if he makes one miss-step he will likely go to jail.
While I respect everybody's right to an opinion, if your answer is to simply tell me that I suck...please don't.....
Yes, that is the major problem here. Nobody posting here knows your son well enough to know wtf to do or how to advise you to help him. Even you haven't got him all figured out or you'd have had this problem solved already. And you are likely the world's leading expert on this particular kid.
I can only take the rough sketch that you've drawn and look for matching patterns in my world and then comment very generically on what I guess you're dealing with. Your son sounds like a lot of kids I know who have grown up within the "conform or be cast out" paradigm. They've already figured out that conformity is bullshit, and it really doesn't take a mental giant or prodigy to figure it out. Just a casual habit of paying attention will do it and you seem the kind to have made sure to teach your kids well in that regard.
But what are the other options? Maybe the best thing you can do is concede that he's damned right to buck the system and then you can talk about smarter, more rewarding ways to do it.
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Hey SkyBlue, thanks for bumping this, hale and well met! Wasn't Howie In the Hills a DeSisto school? Cause my sister in law went there before the Seed, where she landed up on staff for awhile.
Anyway, I haven't researched the school, but that little quote from Niles about trust and deepest secrets and daily group therapy gave me the willies and a flashback.
I was in limbo land, staying at Fame Haven group home in Sarasota. I had been extradited from Georgia for the crime of running away from Straight in Florida 3 times. (17 was the age of emancipation in Ga then, so they couldn't call me a runaway and just have me arrested) One night, the staff decided to start trying some kind of group sessions. We were all supposed to talk out our differences and issues and such. The one girl took the floor and started talking about what some other resident should do about their life. I listened to her and thought. I was expecting to hear about room-mate issues and chores, this was sort of creeping me out! When it came around to my turn, I said something to the effect that this gal, well intended as she may be, probably wasn't going to be all that invested in the life of the kid she had just been talking about and that it seemed like a shitty idea to me to sit around and discuss our personal issues on que w/ a bunch of other transient, complicated teenagers.
The meeting broke up, I don't think they tried it again.
I can't imagine a scenario where that sort of obvious foolishness could go on w/o anyone making substantial objection unless it's coerced.
Baaaaaad idea, sharing your innermost secrets w/ random strangers you won't even know in a year!
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I think I may know who this bertc guy is..... and if I'm right.... he did send his son there. Pisses me off to think he won't log back on and read this.
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Hi there, I live right down the street from the school and it looks nothing like Club Med! It's kind of run down, two stories but not very big at all, it has a new, yet cheaply done paint job and there is an outdoor basketball court, that is it. As far as the program itself, I have no idea. It looks like they hand out outside a lot, freely, so its not one of thse lockdown types which is good.
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They HANG OUT outside, not hand. Stupid typos... They came over and told me and my son and the neighbor kids that it was private property (they were riding their bikes over dirt hills) but that's about the only communication I've had with anyone there.
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Hi there, I live right down the street from the school and it looks nothing like Club Med! It's kind of run down, two stories but not very big at all, it has a new, yet cheaply done paint job and there is an outdoor basketball court, that is it. As far as the program itself, I have no idea. It looks like they hand out outside a lot, freely, so its not one of thse lockdown types which is good.
Nothing cheap 'bout luminous orange :wink:
"Run down"... I wouldn't disagree. It looks pretty much the same inside too.
... however, imo, the looks are the least of it's problems :exclaim:
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Spending time outside in a fenced in area doesn't mean much either way for the program.
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So what is the inside scoop on Sarasota Community School anyway? I see this place every day, it's within walking distance from my house, but don't know a thing about it except the exterior appearance and the fact that they don't want my son riding his bike over their dirt hills. I love my location - right next to an alternative troubled teen school, Sarasota High, and 2 blocks from the County Jail. Location, location, location...
My son and I actually still go there, walk through their field and explore the creek next to it every once in a while (I don't follow directions very well especially the Private Property ones). And yeah that paint job has got to go. Methinks that orange paint must have been on clearance or something....
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Does anyone know anything about this school? Run by Chuck and Cara Kanner. The website looks like a ClubMed ad but Google Earth doesn't support the pix.
We're considering therapeutic schools for my 16 yr. old. Before you all lambast me for my insane failings as a father...save it. I've spent countless days on this site and many others....I hear you. In fact I tend to agree. We are carefully and lovingly looking at all options that will help him out of the bad place he's in.
Any and all insight is much appreciated.
Chuck Kanner 'graduated' from the closed down, law suit ridden DeSisto program.
My daughter went to that school. If you haven't already done it... DON'T DO IT! I seriously hope you didn't send your son there. If you already did, my advice would be to get him out QUICK.
My question to you is why did you remove your daughter from this school? What is it about this school that didn't set right with you & yours?