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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 08:40:56 PM
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My daughter is 14 and is currently struggling with ODD and ADD, and a substance abuse problem. She says that she hates me and I think that she is in need of an intervention. I have been seeing the success stories on shows such as Dr. Phil. I really wish my daughter was like that. I have tried to be a mom and turn her life around, but she thinks that I don't know anything about parenting. She is very depressed all of the time, and she has threatened to kill herself on multiple occasions. I want my daughter just to be normal like all of the other kids. I heard from a friend that HLA is a very good school and has a very high success rate. I would really just like my daughter to succeed in society.
Thank you,
Parent in Crisis
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Parent, what did you hear exactly about HLA? What were the positive attributes listed if you don't mind me asking. I personally had a less than positive expereince there.
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Please read some of the survivor statements regarding HLA like this one survivor statement (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20210)
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I heard that HLA was a wonderful school with a great team of staff. I heard that there is compassion directed toward your child rather than hate. I also heard that they have great dorms and facilities. I really want my daughter to go there. I have seen pictures and the school looks like a perfect fit.
Thanks,
Parent in Crisis
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Parent let me first bring up "that great team of staff" you mentioned. What do you feel would be the appropriate qualifications for staff members at such a location? How many do you feel would be appropriate?
Thanks.
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I heard that HLA was a wonderful school with a great team of staff. I heard that there is compassion directed toward your child rather than hate. I also heard that they have great dorms and facilities. I really want my daughter to go there. I have seen pictures and the school looks like a perfect fit.
Thanks,
Parent in Crisis
Do read that link I posted above:
What other options have you tried and who recommend placement in a TBS?
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I would like to have certified counselors and teachers. The page for HLA says that they employ 45 full time counselors. I am really happy to see a school that does that.
Thanks,
Parent in Crisis
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Check these two links out: ISAC report (http://http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hla) HLA lawsuit (http://http://www.bergermontague.com/case-summary.cfm?id=155)
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I guess if you don't respect my opnion I shall just leave. Goodbye.
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Aww shucks, back to the drawing board. No "parent" that claim is not accurate.
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I guess if you don't respect my opnion I shall just leave. Goodbye.
You asked for help and I'm trying my best to give you the information you need
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Ok this board is possessed I keep typing:
"You asked for help and I'm trying my best to give you the information you need
to make an informed decision"
but it gets changed to this when I type it without the extra space
"You asked for help and I'm trying my best to give you the information you need to make an informed decision"
:(
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Yep, one of Ginger's things, designed for people who tell others what they "sh0uld do". "You sh0uld" gets changed to "I want you to".
Same with "You need to".
You can trick the system though, as I just did above, by replacing the letter O with a zero. There are other ways to.
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Damn it got me on that second one.
Should've been
Same with "y0u ne3d to"
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Cleaver 8-)
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That was the fakest imitiation of a parent Ive ever seen
*parent*- What do you think of the Hyde school?
us-heres a link. They abuse children there
*parent* if you dont appreciate my opinion Im leaving!
i guess ginger does that for lawsuits huh? Smart young lady she is.
this is off topic but why is this forum named fornits
and not say "alleged abuse in behavior modificion clinicss" or abuse of troubled teens in "thereputic boarding schools"
it would come up on google better for parents typing in troubled teens
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is it just me or did "parent in crisis" seem pretty far from in crisis? i must be crazy because what i thought was a parent in crisis ended up sounding like a HLA lobbyist, even leaving when someone answered her question because "her opinion" wasn't respected.
if you already have an "opinion" and reject alternative perspectives than you're not asking for help, you're baiting your hook for positive reinforcement.
look, you made your decision already.
sorry if you didn't get the pacifying response you were fishing for, but I doubt anyone bothers to post here for the sole purpose of helping guilt ridden parents find justification for their mistakes.
you were sold a "quick fix" in the form of a "thereputic boarding school."
i think the only crisis here is buyer's remorse.
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Cleaver 8-)
Sure, here's a nice one...
(http://http://www.costumesinc.com/Costumes/images/medium/10349D10.jpg)
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i guess ginger does that for lawsuits huh? Smart young lady she is.
Well thanks, but no. People do that spontaneously, mostly for shits-n-giggles.
this is off topic but why is this forum named fornits
http://fornits.com/about_us.php (http://fornits.com/about_us.php)
I'm taking my sweet time restoring the commercial end of my site, I know. But I do have the basic menu up on the root.
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Parent in Crisis: I hope you are joking. Because the sad fact of many of these facilities are that the "professionals" who have "many years" of experience dealing with teens in crisis have "many years of experience" as staff members with no credentials or real licenses. Some supposed schools are really classified as a "group home" with no teachers (if you ever get around to reading the fine print--which won't be in the brochure.) Staff who show you a license should not be taken at face value because often these degrees come from degree mills, or bogus colleges with no real accreditation. You should also hope that these "compassionate, caring" staff don't have a history of perverse, illegal behavior because one of the things I and others quickly learned, was that they loved telling war stories of their early days in the gutter of drugs, rape, and other inappropriate things for a "THERAPIST" to be discussing with a client who should, if nothing else, feel safe.
Finally, it's not "tough love" meaning discipline and structure. It's isolation and insularity, coersion, hours on end verbal, emotional, and psychological abuse which your kid will never make the mistake of telling you about after any initial complaint, because their lives will be made miserable, and the staff will do a fine job of telling you that you were manipulated and conned. Eventually, your kid will also believe the script they wrote her, including exaggerrations of real events, along with false events.And he or she will confess to you in shame, and you will all be so glad the facility "saved" him or her.
For awhile after she gets out, she will knock you dead with her straight edged life only to have it all slowly seep out in subconscious ways. Ways that are more convoluted and difficult to untangle than before, because they still have the baseline issues that made you want to cmmmit her to a program compounded by the royal mind fuck she received at the school. (She drank the KoolAid to survive the place, and even though it didn't turn out to be fatal, it was still malignant.)
She may still look good on paper, but she will wonder why am I so fucked up inside? Why don't I trust anyone? Why do I have nightmares? Why am I depressed and anxious? She may or may not fall like a house of cards... but she won't be the solid deck you hoped for. Just wait 5 or ten years.
I've been out of the program that I was in (which coincidentally had one of our "star" staff at Hill) for 18 years. I have nothing to gain by bashing the place. I am a teacher, a mother, and a graduate student, and live a boringly clean life, so its not like I'm some drugged out prostitute complaining about my former TBS (no offense to drugged out prostitutes--they make a much more honest living than the scam artists operating these schools). I am telling you now to be very careful with your choices. Because these schools tend to weave into your psyche in a way that is almost impossible to detangle. (That won't be your job--because liek most parents, you'll still be clinging to the belief that the school "saved" her, even when she's on 20 different anti depressants.
The funny thing about these "schools"--is that I felt like a dirty, drugged out whore for years and years inside afterward, and I wasn't even on drugs when I went to the program, and I was never remotely promiscous. That is what the school does. That is their "emotional growth" program.
Shanlea
PS If I seem pissed, it's because I am. I am a teacher and I've seen parents ship off their kids to be emotionally lobotomized. My favorite reason? The hard working, honest, good student who was sent away for not being pure enough in his Christian expression. Interestingly, this same place boasted an ability to turn a gay youth straight. (Not the reason this kid was placed.)