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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Deborah on January 08, 2007, 07:02:49 PM
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From a post at ST:
In Europe, I understand, it isn't readily available. Actually, a mom of one of the boys from Amsterdam that was in my son's school (in Georgia, US) [HLA] is actively involved in developing a program in Europe for these kids.
http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... p=1#000003 (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=001268;p=1#000003)
Amsterdam???
"These" kids???
Modeled after HLA/CEDU???
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Not that surprising. From reading their papers it appears their soft handed socialists policies are backfiring and now they are going to seek out another wrong solution for the same problem.
USA leading the pack in child prison techniques. USA USA USA!
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Not that surprising. From reading their papers it appears their soft handed socialists policies are backfiring and now they are going to seek out another wrong solution for the same problem.
USA leading the pack in child prison techniques. USA USA USA!
Ain't that the truth, Europe havbe fucked up big time, certainly the UK government will never in a million years admit they have given kids all the rights they could possibly dream of and now we have a generation of unruly out of control yobs, who incidentally are producing kids of their own to grow up the same - so their answer? They'll look to the US (as always, Tony Blair, muppet, Bush puppet) and think 'hey, that's what they do in America, so it MUST be right'
I knew programs would make their way here long ago.
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Giving people rights does not make them act out and misbehave.
Not at all.
Its not allowing them to grow up and get responsible that makes them act like yobs. Let them get real jobs and do their own thing, they'll grow up, even if they have "too many rights".
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Giving people rights does not make them act out and misbehave.
Not at all.
Its not allowing them to grow up and get responsible that makes them act like yobs. Let them get real jobs and do their own thing, they'll grow up, even if they have "too many rights".
You misunderstood Niles
The 'right's I'm talking of are the rights the kids have - the children's rights cgharter basically, in other words one cannot move their eyeballs in the wrong direction without offending a child, and if you do, you're for the high jump - and kids know that, it's like 1984 for real, a kids favourite phrase is 'you can't do that, I'm getting you done' and they do as well, they make up lies to get their own way knowing the adults will pay for it, they do what they like knowing they won't be touched, the parents will be fined or imprisoned for it, they run riot because adults are disrespected along with teachers and police, no-one does anything about it, because the kids have rights, then the government wonder why we have anti social yobbos for a younger generation
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Oh please exhausted, young people are no worse now than they have ever been. if anything they are a bit better behaved :roll:
According to the UK home office 88% of crime is committed by grownups and a significant portion of that is comitted by those over 21. I have not checked the stats for europe but I would bet they are not dissimilar.
it strikes me that although it has become socially offensive for the media to be racist or sexist it is absolutely fine to dump shit all over kids who do not have the ability to defend themselves.
It strikes me that Brat Camp is thew worst thing that could have happenned to British and now european kids! They are all painted as happy slapping vicki pollards now.
http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/fac ... factsheets (http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=65&category=factsheets)
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Yeah really, kids today have few rights and the rights they have don't contribute to juvenile delinquency. In the states children are the only segment of society that can be lawfully assaulted. In schools they can have their possessions searched randomly, strip-searched on nothing more then a whim, and beat with paddles. Most people assume that kids have rights and they do, it's just that the rights of children are often discarded, by law, in ways that make them even more vulnerable to mistreatment.
I doubt that kids today are worse then their parents , in fact many studies indicate that kids today are better(in regards to behavior) then their parents(I'll look for those studies). The one thing kids today lack is involved parents. Parents today work more hours then their parents and often have longer commutes. With cell phones, pda's, and emails, work often follows a parent home taking away time with baby.
I feel like this generation is a victim of bad press. It's quiet en vogue to portray kids as little demons these days irrespective of the facts that say the opposite.
The bottom line is this:
- Kids today are put down for having a mind of their own and using it. Behavior that was perfectly normal for their parents generation is now looked at as a sign of delinquency. Kids today are labeled according to their dress, taste in music, and world views(sex, religion, etc...) without any thought given to the child's character and actual behavior.
It's the acceptance of these superficial labels, by society, that enables this shameless scapegoating of juveniles for society's ills
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The two previous posters did such a good job of taking the wind out of Ex's Teenager hating Sails that my contribution there may be a little superfluous.
But back on topic, with the powers etc that the various child support agencies over here enjoy there is simply no way that wwasps/natsap etc could pull their shit over here. Even the comparatively mild "fatcamp" that was touted and run gained a lot of unfavourable attention. As long as people like exhausted are kept out the the decisions that affect our children we should be fine.
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What are you on about?
I don't hate teenagers, I think they're victims of society! No-one gives a crap about them
When I was a kid it was pretty carefree compared to the pressures they're under today, we used to stay out all day long building camps, waking miles and miles away to friend's houses, walking back in the dark to get home, bunking off school was naughty but not a major issue.
Teenagers today are under constant pressure to have the latest designer clothes, mobile phones or they are outcast, the worst thing to me is the pressure to be able to comit crime and carry knives, if they can't do that, again they are outcast, whimps, geeks etc....
The things we were able to do, they cannot, they can't be free to roam as we did, there are paedophiles on the loose, it's criminal damage to walk across that pipe and tread the fence down over the years, you can't throw freshly cut grass at each other, it's dangerous, someone might get a stone in their eye you know! Don't play outside rough & tumbling about, you're causing a disturbance, breach of the peace and the neighbours are complaining about it, here have an ASBO, how dare you hang around in groups of 3 or more, how dare you play loudly outside
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Kids ain't nothing but a bunch of fucking... :rofl:
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Kids ain't nothing but a bunch of fucking... :rofl:
They ain't no better and they don't DESERVE no goddamn rights... :D
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If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed.....
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You know what Exhausted, I'm sorry for sniping at you. Reading your comments in context actually makes everything make a lot more sense.
Apart from anything else I ought not be wasting my time with this sort of conversation even if I'm right.
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Not that surprising. From reading their papers it appears their soft handed socialists policies are backfiring and now they are going to seek out another wrong solution for the same problem.
USA leading the pack in child prison techniques. USA USA USA!
I think it is inevitable and just a matter of time before the TBS?s spread more throughout the world. Eastern Europe is years behind us, they are seeing some of the same drug issues we are but if you screw up, the parents throw you out on your butt with mo place to go. There is no tolerance and no money for rehabilitation in most areas.
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just a matter of time before the TBS?s spread more throughout the world. There is ... no money
Anyone else seeing a problem here?
And you do know what happened when WWASPS tried to open up in the Czech Republic, don't you?
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just a matter of time before the TBS?s spread more throughout the world. There is ... no money
Anyone else seeing a problem here?
And you do know what happened when WWASPS tried to open up in the Czech Republic, don't you?
Well, I am not a supporter of WWASP, but what happened?
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What do you THINK happened? (http://http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/morava/morava-academy.11.16.98.html)
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What do you THINK happened? (http://http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/morava/morava-academy.11.16.98.html)
I would guess that they found no customers willing to pay.
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Now we know he's a troll..
It got fucking raided and closed. The Czech authorities tried to detain the people in charge but they fled the country.
Wow. :rofl:
"THE PARENT IS THE CONSUMER"
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Now we know he's a troll..
It got fucking raided and closed. The Czech authorities tried to detain the people in charge but they fled the country.
Wow. :rofl:
"THE PARENT IS THE CONSUMER"
I am surprised they even tried to open one in the first place. I wouldnt think there would be a market for it. What was it raided for?
Yes, the parent flips the bill, I agree.
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What do you THINK happened? (http://http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/morava/morava-academy.11.16.98.html)
I would guess that they found no customers willing to pay.
If you have your kids best intention at heart, don't assume every other parent out there does. I know a lot of people here believe all program parents are acting of fear/ignorance, but I disagree and would say a larger portion than people would like to acknowledge in fact do it as punishment. I contend many parents would in fact use programs like wwasps even if they read through all the experiences here and elsewhere. It happens all the time. Apologists might call it denial, but I just don't buy it in all cases.
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You guys are totally missing the depths of TheWho's ignorance.
He probably still doesn't realize that he quoted a link. He really thought that WWASPS would open a facility for the local parents to ship their kids to- and not quite realizing that not only would the locals not do it, they wouldn't even allow a facility for it to happen to American kids in.
On the other hand, on the rare occasions that rich foreigners want to have their children abused, they can try to send them to America.
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http://www.teenliberty.org/guardian.htm (http://www.teenliberty.org/guardian.htm)
It was closed in 1998 and stopped WWASP expansion into Europe because the boss of WWASP called the authorities communists, which angered a government struggling to get over 40 years of occupation.
As stated before, child abuse of such a kind is now only possible in the states, Jamaica and perhaps Mexico once again.
I have investigated Costa Rica "Pillar of hope" and it have turned out to be a transition camp for former detainee, which are unable to live a normal life due to long-term confinement. (They even are allowed to talk with the opposite sex.) See: http://www.pillarsofhope.com (http://www.pillarsofhope.com)
What horrible kind of family will two brainwashed people get, if they actucally will be able to bond with each other and end up in a marriage?
More fact can be found on wikipedia, when we are finished studying some papers, an anonymous source had sent a friend of mine. The article will not be written by me, but another unnamed Dane.
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Don't forget the middle east they have their own fucked up twisted take on programs, jihadism. Take Iran for example during the Iraq-Iran war when they couldn't afford guns and bullets, so instead they imported tens of thousands of plastic keys made in Taiwan to put on the necks of the young kids who would dogpile into artillery positions on the Iraqi lines - their key to heaven. Or how about those kids in the west bank who bust out a sermon with murderous passion, that program will give your kid paradise and it's free! Look at those proud parents. :roll:
Idiots the world over.
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I have to admit, that I laughed when an Iranian colleague told me about the plastic keys.
It was so horrible.
BTW. Our government are working on laws forbidding danish children to leave Denmark for schooling outside Denmark, if the school is not approved by our authorities.
The reason for such a law is that some parents in Denmark does like our very liberal way of life and they have sent their children to the far east for "re-education". They come back ready to strap a bomb on their back, so of course we are going to try to stop it.
Beside the bomb thing, the kind of "re-education" they offer in the far east on a Koran school sounds very familiar to the conditions in a wwasp program.
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http://www.teenliberty.org/guardian.htm
It was closed in 1998 and stopped WWASP expansion into Europe because the boss of WWASP called the authorities communists, which angered a government struggling to get over 40 years of occupation.
As stated before, child abuse of such a kind is now only possible in the states, Jamaica and perhaps Mexico once again.
I have investigated Costa Rica "Pillar of hope" and it have turned out to be a transition camp for former detainee, which are unable to live a normal life due to long-term confinement. (They even are allowed to talk with the opposite sex.) See: http://www.pillarsofhope.com (http://www.pillarsofhope.com)
What horrible kind of family will two brainwashed people get, if they actucally will be able to bond with each other and end up in a marriage?
More fact can be found on wikipedia, when we are finished studying some papers, an anonymous source had sent a friend of mine. The article will not be written by me, but another unnamed Dane.
Thanks Covergaard, I was just over in Eastern Europe and based on what I learned about the culture I was suprised WWASPS would even think about putting ina facility (for US or local kids). Just purely from a financial standpoint it is risky at best and the local authorities would never want to risk the potential exposure.... crazy.
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Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
and I became aware this year
If you want to follow me,
you've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork
Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take it
Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still
Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take you
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.
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You know what it is, right?
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You know what it is, right?
"Were not gonna tke it"? .... Cool ... scary !!
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What are you on about?
I don't hate teenagers, I think they're victims of society! No-one gives a crap about them
Oh i didn't suggest you hate teenagers, more that your suggestion that British teenagers are unruly and that they have excessive rights was potentially wrong. If there is a British charter of rights for kids i see this as a good thing. Perhaps someone should force the parents of the English kids on Brat camp to read it!
A lot of countries have charters of rights for kids and it does not stop parents from being able to do their job or discipline their kids. Some even encourage some level of autoritarian parenting. But this does not extend to violence or deprivation of normal liberty.
I also agree with those who can see that social workers everywhere have a difficult job. On one hand they are not supposed to step on parent liberties, On the other they are supposed to remove kids from potential danger. If they wrongly take a kid from a potentially abusive home they are middle class judgemental wankers with no idea, if they err on the side of caution and turn out to be wrong their head is on the chopping block. Unlike many other university educated professionals they earn a really modest salary and often have to do their job for either benevolent or religious organisations running on the smell of an oily rag, or govt which expects them to be all things to all people. no wonder it is easier to just get an MBA and work in the money markets!
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Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
and I became aware this year
If you want to follow me,
you've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork
Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take it
Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still
Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take you
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.
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Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
and I became aware this year
If you want to follow me,
you've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork
Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take it
Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still
Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.
We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take you
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.
Good copy pasta keep the quote train going!
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Good copy pasta keep the quote train going!
Nah, please don't. I'd have to beg Ginger to catagorize it as flooding and delete it. If you're into that sort of thing, start your own thread and "Quote Train" away. Toot Toot