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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 07, 2007, 11:09:12 PM
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Theres an organization called stand up for kids started by an ex navy guy in san diego that has spread all across thec ountry and they help kids without asking any questions. ive worked with a guy who helps out at one of their places and they are really good people. they walk the streets handing out food and clothes and sit and talk with kids living there fleeing abuse or whatever and don't pressure them to go into a govt home or call the cops or anything like that. good advice this thread is, beacuse running away from coercive programs is a very real part of this industry!
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I guess we need someone who knows how to find food and water in the woods, and how to come across as "just a runaway" or just a street kid and get food/water and protect yourself within a city, next...
Weapons improvisation and self defense would be right up my alley but you can't really do that via text, you kind of have to train it. I can give a few tips, though.
If in public, scream FIRE! Also, RAPE doesn't work, but something that would make people come pissed off would, so be racist. Screaming NIGGER, for instance, would probably get more people to flock to you than anything else.
Sad, I know, but psychology is what it is! It probably got you, the reader a little ticked off. But at any rate, blending in, seen but not noticed, you're harder to spot and someone is less likely to start shit in a crowded area.
The best way to get out of someone trying to restrain or capture you is to simply never be seen and grabbed in the first place. Learn how to be observant without visibly paranoid, and limit exposure like TSW said. The biggest thing is "not looking suspicious"... but this is street smarts and can't really be taught, especially over the internet.
Should you have to get physical with someone, besides the usual going for the eyes or solar plexus type shit, if you don't really know how to punch someone I would suggest being dirty. Go for the groin with a kick, grab someones head and jump and knee them in the face/nose if possible, and as soon as they relent or get stunned or back off, RUN WITHOUT LOOKING BACKWARDS.
Also, keep your fucking shoes tied and FIND A WEAPON. PERIOD. Unarmed vs a weapon, the armed guy almost always wins unless you're talking about a movie or make-believe, sadly enough. Interestingly tons of stores offer small folders for a few bucks, especially hardware stores, car part stores, and whatnot. Just be aware if you're gonna use one for a while to inspect the locking mechanism unless you like slicing up your fingers and you might have to super glue where bolts/screws are in it to hold it together better.
And, also, if you see a chance presented, go for it. Always be ready to bolt, always be thinking of how to escape without letting on to it. Our POW's are told to cooperate, but always try to break for it when possible. Should you find yourself as a child in a program, and if you survive, hell, if you escape, pat yourself on the back - you did what fucking soldiers don't always do, as a child, and arguably had it worse in some ways, if not all depending on where in particular you got sent.
And, worst case, a sure-fire way to get sent to a program is to commit a crime that would get you for sure put in jail. If it comes down to stabbing someone so they go to the hospital, and the hospital reports it, and you get booked for stabbing someone in the leg or whatever, that might suck, but if it would honestly be preferable to a program, well, there you go.
You can also always claim self defense depending on what they did to you, so you might want to wait until after you've been beaten up, covered in marks, underfed/malnourished, joint injured from restraints or psychologically fucked up.
Then again, if you are willing to do that to escape, I'd say you're already mentally torn up enough for a Psych to evaluate you and aid your defense.
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I don't know about making it across the badlands. My program was in the city, more or less. Easy walk to the interstate. But I had better luck at night for all the obvious reasons.
I wish I had been thinking a little more clearly the few times I took a vacation. I found out years later that some of my relatives would have been happy to take me in and not mention it to anybody. But I didn't think of them; I assumed the whole family and all old friends were on the program's side. If I had it to do over again, I would take a little time and contact a few of them, feel them out. You can do this from a public library these days or a friendly stranger w/ a lap-top at starbucks. Hell, for that matter, if you make it that far contact some ppl from the growing network of anti-program websites. You still have to watch your back with this crowd, but at least you can skip the ordeal of explaining the unexplainable to us.
If you wind up hitchhiking, come up with a good cover story. Nothing real morose or anything, that tends to turn people off. Instead, say you're a little older, college age or so, people will believe what they want to. And you're headed for some destination where you're expected; sister in Des Moines or something.
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TSW I gotta tell you man, this is the most honest and truthiness post I've ever seen on fornits. Most adults would freak at someone giving this kind of advice to children, but I think it is exactly what the doctor ordered!
Obviously the closer the kid is to 18 the easier it will be. I wil be back with some of my tricks and advice because I have also run away several times from home and a few programs, and managed to escape from a few programs by manipulating my way out as well
I would stick to urban areas, it's pretty easy to survive in urban areas, it's a lot less easy to stay safe though so you have to beware at all time, and keep in mind this is coming from a male not a female!
One thing you can do if you are really screwed over and have no where to go or something is go to the hospital. Tell them you are hearing voices that are telling you to kill yourself and other people. Now be sure you are ready to give up your freedom for at least a week with this ploy, because once you do this you lose control to a certain extent. But it does work. Tell the ER people you can't stop the voices and that you are going to kill yourself, and act depressed and crazy, but don't overdo it. Or just act normal if this is how you normally are!! :P
Even if you dont have a ID on you, they wil still evaluate you and take you into the ER. Oh yeah, be sure to pick a hospital with a psych ward, this is paramount, because that's where you are going for! Once you are in, you got a bed, three awesome meals a day, peers to interact with and shoot the shit, pretty descent adults to talk with... but of course they are going to drug you up the wazoo, but thats the price you gotta pay I guess, you can always just spit them out. So play the game however you want long you want to stay. Keep being crazy if you want to stay longer. Or tell them the truth and you were on the streets with no where else to go running from a coercive program you couldn't stay at anymore. You got a warm bed, food and people who genuinely care about whether you live or die so that's a start.
I think one of the deadliest mistakes run aways make is not asking for help out of fear, but in reality there are so many people out there willing to help you if you know where to go (which program kids of course dont).
But after getting out of a program, if they are anything like me, they won't trust ANYBODY! Not even themselves.
Great thread. More from me coming later.
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You know what, guys? It's a valiant effort and all but sort of pointless to post something like that on a board like this.
If you're reading this right now that means you're probably not at a TBS, but have reason to believe that you might get sent to one.
So let's discuss prevention, shall we?
1. Get your parents to read Fornits, ISAC, AntiWWASP, etc etc... print it out if you have to. PM their phone numbers to Ginger, Psy, TSW, etc.
2. Didn't work? Start calling your distant relatives... all of 'em.
3. Didn't work? Barricade your door at night, hide a sharp kitchen knife, and don't accept any glass of any drink your parents serve you. (No, seriously.) The escorts will eventually break through your door; when they do, stab them in the guts. Don't be like some knife fighter and do some momentum-less stab, either; put your body into it in a "prison rush" and shove it in as far as it will go. You'll probably be sent to jail, but that sure as shit beats a mindfuck facility and you can tell the judge, very truthfully, that your parents had been brainwashed by a bunch of sadistic torturers and you were acting in self-defense. (Seriously, since it is self-defense, this isn't illegal.)
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I don't suggest stealing cars, but at some point if you are forced to do so:
http://http://www.wikihow.com/Hotwire-a-Car
Again I strongly reccomend not doing it.
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And if you can't start it sleeping in a car sure beats not sleeping in one (and its safer). Just walk down the street until you find one that's unlocked and try your best to wake up before dawn to avoid unnecessary confrontation.
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Kids are growing up web savvy from birth now, you don't think one of them might find this page? I don't think that is an impossibility, it's probably likely. Who knows how long this archive will be around.
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There have been some very good suggestions in this thread. Obviously, planning is paramount to success. Remember, the "6 P's": PRIOR PLANNING PREVENTS PISS POOR PERFORMANCE.
Look, you're stuck, locked up with nothing but time on your hands. Use this time constructively to plan your escape. Don't go off half-cocked!
Be thorough in your plan and execute it only when you have the best chance to succeed (more likely than not on a weekend and after dark, preferably later in the overnight shift when the staff lose their vigilance). Don't go all in with a three and a jack, kids. Wait til you have a pair of kings and make your move. Get your money in the middle when you are the favorite - the odds matter!
Some things that were not covered:
1. NEVER hatch a plan that requires an accomplice. "Accomplice" can be defined as "RAT" when you're in a facility. Go it alone or don't go!
2. NEVER tell anyone about your plan. See "RAT" above.
3. ALWAYS comply with the program while you're there. Resistance breeds suspicion, and, I can tell you from my time as a counselor, NONE of the kids on my radar for running ever got out. Once you're on the radar it's hard to get off it, so STAY off it. Go with the flow and participate to avoid scrutiny. Don't be TOO GOOD though, because that's as suspicious as looking really bad. Find a place in between and stay there until you bolt.
4. AVOID violence as much as you can. Charges over your head make it harder to escape because now you have LEO's crawling all over looking for you. Remember, YOU CAN'T OUTRUN THE RADIO. Once the cops are involved, your chances go way, way down.
5. If, after you bolt, you feel like you may need to resort to violence, you can improvise a device with which to defend yourself. A strong, thin object (like a tree limb) can be used as a clubbing mechanism, or can be sharpened easily on one end to become a stabbing device. Remember, stabbing takes less force, less room to maneuver and is far more effective. If you are swinging a club at an already alerted target, they can step directly inside the radius of your swing and get to you unharmed while you're out of position completing a swing. With a stabbing weapon you keep them at a distance and the sharpened point can do much more damage much more quickly than a club. Let's face it, one or two jabs with a spear that produce a lot of blood will stun or give pause to your opponent briefly while you RUN LIKE HELL. Stabbing is quicker and more effective than clubbing. That's the lesson here. REMEMBER, if you choose to fight, you must fight to WIN.
6. MOVEMENT. Move at night wherever possible. Use cover. If you are at risk of being spotted by an approaching searcher, remain as still and quiet as you can until they move away. Bolting at this point will only get you caught for sure.
If you need to move during the day in isolated terrain, use a chapter out of hunting skills. Use the principles of the "still hunt." Stay still longer than you move. Scan the terrain very, very carefully from cover BEFORE MAKING ANY MOVES. Once you're sure the coast is clear, move a short distance to cover you've already cleared by observation, then be still and start scanning again.
7. What to bring with you. Well, food is unnecessary. You'll get where you're going before you starve. The body can last up to 2 weeks without food. Water is key. Try to bring some with you if you can, but it's heavy, so you can't bring much. If you can get at cleaning supplies, take a few fluid ounces of bleach with you. Two drops of bleach per gallon of water is sufficient to kill microbes, etc. Purify your own if you have to.
If you can, try to wear two sets of clothes on top of eachother, or three if you can get away with it and it isn't too encumbering. Remember, getting wet and then getting cold will end your run and may lead to serious problems. Try to run in warm, dry weather when possible.
Try to snag a trash bag. This can carry some items and keep you dry.
8. How to "stay gone." Well, if you make it this far, you're in the minority, but you've succeeded to large degree. DON'T call or go to the people that locked you up! REPEAT: DON'T call or go to the people that locked you up! You'll get better care from a stranger than your folks at this point. If you need to contact friend to help you, do it from a library and USE A PROXY! If you send an email without a proxy, you can be not only generally located, but PINPOINTED at a certain time and place. USE A PROXY!
Try to get out of rural areas ASAP. Get into an urban area where you can blend in and find help. NEVER use your real name. Think up an alias and ahead of time and get used to hearing/using it so you look less suspicious.
This is a lot to go over, so I'll leave it here for now.
Any questions, just ask.
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Food.. since there are laws against grocery stores giving out expired food to non profits and such nowadays, big grocery stores are forced to throw away a shitload of food. dumpster diving can be quite profitable behind the right store.
restaurants, try family restaurants.. one way to tell is if the staff looks like family members or if teenagers are working there or something like that. sit down and if you have a dollar get a cofee or soda. if nothing then just get a water. dont do this ina busy restaurant, theyll hate you for taking a table. if the place is slow a lot of times they could care less. theres a couple ways you can go about it. you can be straight up and ask the owner for a meal and say you are poor, and youd be surprised how kind a lot of people can be.. but that goes both ways so always be careful. another way is to wait for another table to finish eating and then ask the busboy if you can box up their leftover food real quick. they might give you a few looks or laugh but what do they care you are doing their job for them. ive worked in enough restaurants all my life to see this shit done all the time. dont dine and ditch though. theyll call the cops and press cahrges a lot of times and its just fucked up. if you ask and are sincere that is a much safer option. when bums came in and asked we would always give them something. but when they tried to steal we'd get pissed.
money.. begging. get to a city with a lot of people and sit somewhere where theres foot traffic and hold out something and beg. it worke for st francis, it just might work for you too.
loding.. definitely the trickiest. street friends and squats.. but that is not a good option. wwoof is willing workers on organic farms,the book is like 20 bucks and it has hundreds of farms int he US that offer labor exchange for food and lodging for like 5 hrs of work per day. they have it in canada and all over the world. its a good option to get off the street, doing some good healthy work and be around good food and good people. and a great way to dissappear and go completely off the radar. motels, but they are so expensive its not really an option. apartments.. yeah right never going to happen. if i were underage i would get in contact with stand up for kids, they do that stuff as a passion, helping street kids.
safety.. time to be creative because this is probably the most important thing and the hardest to fulfill.
it would be pretty hard to do if you were under 18 unless you have somewhere to go. friends, relatives, church or something. the programs do such a good job at "disconnecting" you from these sources though, its so hard to ask a kid in that situation to be so clear thinking.
if i were giving advice to a kid it would be hard to suggest running because of the dangers. but i think its wrong to not be honest because some kids might choose to do it anyways. i did.
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www.intentionalcommunities.com (http://www.intentionalcommunities.com)
www.growfood.org (http://www.growfood.org)
www.wwoof.org (http://www.wwoof.org)
www.standupforkids.org (http://www.standupforkids.org)
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www.ic.org (http://www.ic.org) (Working) Intentional Commmunity Link
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do it from a library and USE A PROXY!
DJ? These kids aren't going to know how to do that. "Do it from a library" is more than enough. It takes days for something like that to be traced, and they'd have to know to trace it in the first place! That is, they'd have to be sending email, PMs, whatever to someone who snitched on them. Being seen in the library by the wrong person is a much, much bigger security risk. By the time anyone caught up electronically, the kid'd be long, long gone.
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do it from a library and USE A PROXY!
DJ? These kids aren't going to know how to do that. "Do it from a library" is more than enough. It takes days for something like that to be traced, and they'd have to know to trace it in the first place! That is, they'd have to be sending email, PMs, whatever to someone who snitched on them. Being seen in the library by the wrong person is a much, much bigger security risk. By the time anyone caught up electronically, the kid'd be long, long gone.
Some will know how to do it and some will not. However, it IS important because the instant an email is received, the header can be viewed. The header shows where the email was sent from, so detection can be just minutes away. I trace people like this all the time! In any case, it helps to avoid being vectored by pursuit, because they will need at least two metrics to find you, like your location and the time you were there. Cut it down to a single metric and chances of being caught go down by tenfold or more.
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..back to your regularly scheduled thread now...
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Try to change your appearance as much as possible and as soon as possible. If the place makes notes of the type and color of clothes you have take a dark shirt and bleach it out when you have the chance, before you leave so you have clothing that is different from what they think you have. Wear it on the inside of your layers of clothes then change at the first opportunity. Wear dark clothes at night. Change your hair: part it differently, shave or cut it short if you can bring a razor or scizzors. If you wear glasses, try to get around without them when you are around people. If you don't wear glasses try to get some before you go and wear them when around people.
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The header shows where the email was sent from, so detection can be just minutes away. I trace people like this all the time!
We're talking around each other.
The thing is this- if the kid intends to email someone for rescue, then he has to tell the rescuer where he is anyway! The header might show where the email was sent from, but if the person receiving the email won't snitch, who's going to know to look at it?
I'll add another point of advice- if you don't think you can quite trust the person you're contacting, don't contact him.
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Thanks for the links to Stand Up For Kids. I just made a contribution and want to get involved in the outreach program. I am so glad to know where I can direct my resources towards helping because I get so angry and frustrated reading about all the shit that goes down and wanting to help the kids; now I think I can actually do something about it.
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I think the ideal situation would be to somehow get a hold of a staff's keys, and take their car.
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And then get his address off a piece of paper left in the car, such as insurance documents. Then, drive to his house, and kill his wife and four-year-old son, cut the child's head off, and leave it on the front doorstep. :skull:
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Or not.
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I was hoping this thread wouldn't reach this point.
This is what we need to drive through society's head: harming children and adolescents is not acceptable. Ever. The staff might be monsters but your fellow inmates (and of course children not involved in this, Christ) are not targets. No matter how much you might hate the kid next to you in this, he is not your enemy. And no one "deserves to be there"; kids are sent to these places by the sadistic manipulations of professional child abusers, and the complacency and consent of their parents. Their own behavior has little to nothing to do with it.
And doing things like passing this crap down to your own children are no more acceptable than murdering a four-year-old for being the son of a staff member.
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I think the ideal situation would be to somehow get a hold of a staff's keys, and take their car.
Thefts
Blount County
* Phillip W. Cooper, Knoxville, reported at 7:11 a.m. May 30 that, while he was doing counseling work at Peninsula Village, Jones Bend Road, Louisville, he was grabbed by one of the male juveniles in the group and his car keys fell from his pocket during the struggle. He said another of the youths picked up the keys, then the two boys left through a window. He said he later saw his car leave the property but did not know who was in the vehicle. Runaway reports were filed on the youths, a 17-year-old from Kingsport and a 16-year-old from Ohio, who are both in state custody.
Theft, filed 5/30/03, The Daily Times
"His car keys fell from his pocket during the struggle," Yeah, right. The counselor got jacked, his keys were taken, two yoots left by the window, and the guy claims he was clueless about who was in the vehicle.
There is no "escape" at Peninsula Village, they call it "elopement". Escape makes it sound like the kids are at Villa del Peni against their will. Elopement sounds like a Vegas wedding, but I guess one of the above kids made a union between his foot and Phil the counselor's Pillsbury ass.
These facilities like to set up in rural, low income counties because they can offer jobs to the locals, bring in tax revenue and "tourism".
They can pad the local sheriff's campaign funds and keep him in office, ensuring he'll be their obedient bitch. (Like the sheriff in Montana who looks the other way when shit happens at Spring Creek)
PV is in a rural shithole. It's on Jones Bend Rd., a long stretch of blind curves that's a bitch driving the posted speed limit. Imagine a teen in a stolen car hellbent on getting the fuck away at top speed. Even if he makes it off Jones Bend Rd., he's still lost in the land of the inbred.
The other option is a large body of water. I'd take my chances swimming across or stealing a boat off one of the docks. It makes better use of the golden hour and would get you closer to Knoxville.
Oh, yeah, if a staffer overtakes you and you have boots or good shoes on, stomp on the top of the bastard's foot as hard as you can. Those small bones break easily.
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And doing things like passing this crap down to your own children [is] no more acceptable than murdering a four-year-old for being the son of a staff member.
I agree!
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And doing things like passing this crap down to your own children [is] no more acceptable than murdering a four-year-old for being the son of a staff member.
I agree!
Agreed! And Props for using the proper grammar and putting the dashes in "four year old", not a lot of people take the time to do that. It's nice to see people using proper grammar these days.
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things (like passing this crap down to your own children) are
things are
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Okay so the programs may/may not be dangerous, but it scares me to think of a kid running away and being alone out in the woods etc at night, what if they get bit by a snake or stuck in quicksand or something, there are a lot of what if's
Not all the kids are street-wise & we as adults would know to keep their head up and walk confidentally, but a kid wouldn't, it takes some serious bottle to even think about taking on any of these suggestions
There should be a place they can go in every town - but what does a 14 year old do once they've got away? They can't work, live alone, they won't trust anyone and will stick out like a sore thumb
It's a great ideal, but not a realistic one imo, it's just too scary as to what can happen
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It's a great ideal, but not a realistic one imo, it's just too scary as to what can happen
Couldn't agree more, but it still happens all the time. :cry:
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Okay so the programs may/may not be dangerous, but it scares me to think of a kid running away and being alone out in the woods etc at night, what if they get bit by a snake or stuck in quicksand or something, there are a lot of what if's
Not all the kids are street-wise & we as adults would know to keep their head up and walk confidentally, but a kid wouldn't, it takes some serious bottle to even think about taking on any of these suggestions
There should be a place they can go in every town - but what does a 14 year old do once they've got away? They can't work, live alone, they won't trust anyone and will stick out like a sore thumb
It's a great ideal, but not a realistic one imo, it's just too scary as to what can happen
What's scarier is kids would rather take their chances with snakes, unknown terrain and hunger than stay in the program. There are so many child advocates around who would be willing to help a program runaway, and one I know wouldn't be intimidated by the law enough to hand a kid back over to a hellhole. A hotline to report abuse should be available in every facility, and the number of a local youth advocate group should also be posted.
If a kid is being abused to the point they take it on the heels at the first opportunity, they've got balls. There need to be advocate groups with balls, too, to keep a program escapee safe while the shit is sorted from the truth.
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Agreed
Are you telling me there is no helpline for kids in trouble where you are? :(
here we have childline, it's free to call, the kid only has to pick up any phone and someone will help them
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Agreed
Are you telling me there is no helpline for kids in trouble where you are? :(
here we have childline, it's free to call, the kid only has to pick up any phone and someone will help them
There are "safe" zones for kids in urban areas, normally supermarkets, but no helpline I can think of that a kid would know off the top of his head. Besides, I know from my own program kid that trusting anyone is difficult after you've been in an abusive facility for a while. Who's to guarantee the hotline won't send someone to pick them up and return them to the pit?
Peninsula Village doesn't allow the kids access to a phone at all. The kids are told to write any abuse they're experiencing down on a 3x5 card, and an employee who is not "staff" will read it and take proper action. As you can imagine, the kids don't fall for that shit, not more than once, anyway. PV's policy is "Don't believe your kid when they tell you they're being abused, they're manipulating your feelings," Yeah, right. I've got pictures of five bovine bitches squatting on my step daughter in what the PV staff called a "restraint". Believe your kids, at least give them enough credit to demand an explanation from the program. I know a girl who was restrained 75 times at PV. Every time she tried to tell her father about the abuse during phone therapy sessions, the therapist would slam her hand down on the phone and end the call. One of the father's rare personal visits was denied at the last minute by PV, because his daughter was so bruised and battered they didn't want him to see her. The girl was also taken to hospital because the staff goons thought they had broken her jaw, and again because they suspected they had broken her arm.
I hate Peninsula Village, and the Nazi bullshit they call "treatment".
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The system funnels kids towards programs and incarceration, not the other way around. To seek help from the very system that endorses and funds programs can seem like a hollow availability.
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things (like passing this crap down to your own children) are
things are
Actually... "doing things" is the subject, and is singular...
Doing things IS...
It's weird, though..almost weird enough to make me doubt whether that's right..
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Okay so the programs may/may not be dangerous, but it scares me to think of a kid running away and being alone out in the woods etc at night, what if they get bit by a snake or stuck in quicksand or something, there are a lot of what if's
Not all the kids are street-wise & we as adults would know to keep their head up and walk confidentally, but a kid wouldn't, it takes some serious bottle to even think about taking on any of these suggestions
There should be a place they can go in every town - but what does a 14 year old do once they've got away? They can't work, live alone, they won't trust anyone and will stick out like a sore thumb
It's a great ideal, but not a realistic one imo, it's just too scary as to what can happen
What's your point?
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at my 3 springs facility, staff were required to turn in their keys to be locked up during the time they were on duty. I never did and i had extra keys with me at all times incase admin found out i actually had my keys with me.
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Agreed
Are you telling me there is no helpline for kids in trouble where you are? :(
here we have childline, it's free to call, the kid only has to pick up any phone and someone will help them
Exhausted, let me tell you something of exhaustion. As a teenager held captive in a program, I split 3 times and went hitchhiking around the country before I was close enough to the age of majority that I felt it was a fairly safe bet to go to the authorities and ply for the rest of the time I needed that way. All kinds of well intended adults tried in earnest to keep me "safe" by bringing me in off of "the streets" and state custody. They all assured me that I was nuckin futz at the moment and would come to agree with them once I got older/stable/sane or whatever it was they thought I needed to be to see things their way.
Well, now I'm older, stable, sane as anybody. I still don't see things their way. Granted, there were certain dangers involved in hitchhiking around the country. But I had enough autonomy to defend myself from would be attackers. In the program, my benevolent group busted my bones and warped my mind. Outside, on "the streets", I simply stepped off and/or hit back and ran if someone made me uncomfortable or actually tried to hurt me.
World of difference there. Hands down, no question, while I wasn't "safe" in the euphemistic way you're after for your kid, I was safeer out than in.
First time, I went to a church, who returned me to the program via my parents.
Next time, I went to a halfway house, who returned me to the program via my sister then my parents.
Last time, I went to my brother, who agreed to put me up till my birthday. The Program ppl managed to get a juvy judge in Florida to sign an extradition order (a fucking extradition order!!!) to bring me back to Florida for the 'crime' of being a chronic runaway.
Last fucking thing in the world I would suggest a kid fleeing physical and mental torture do is call the authorities!
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Cassandra
Childline isn't an authority, they are a charity set up to help abused kids out of the situation, they do deal with kids who other issues other than abuse but that is the main reason for them being there
If you had childline in USA they would never in a million years throw you back into the lion's den, in the UK, to place you in a program you don't want to be in would be considered abusive - even social services who are government run, won't take kids at a parent's request no matter how much the parent needs a break or whatever reason they have without the child's consent
There are so many kids out here that are carers for their parents, they don't get help, they can be as young as 8 years old and still have to deal with it, they don't get a break from the constant day in, day out caring responsibilities they have - a policeman friend was telling me recently of a 13 year old girl he has to deal with regularly who is caring for a junkie mum, her 4 younger brothers and sisters who are totally wild and running riot and the girl is expecting a baby herself, social services see she is managing and don't want to know, a pregnant 13 year old caring for 4 other kids and an adult??? It's so wrong on so many levels. If she was being abused sexually, she'd be taken into care and released into the world at 16 years of age - imo she is being abused mentally
I know of another girl who is 14 years old caring for her younger family and mum who hasd had a breakdown, what the hell does a 14 year old know about breakdowns and child rearing? the poor kid is beside herself because she doesn't know what to do - no help there either......
But childline are always on the end of the phone 24/7, these girls can pick up the phone for advice, just to talk and childline will often be able to put them in touch with agencies who will give them numbers of agencies who can give them some respite, agencies no-one knows about until someone happens to mention them.
So they wouldn't be fleeing any authorities, just turning to a charitable lending hand, in fact after reading your posts here, I have a mind to get in contact with Childline and see if they can't come to this forum and make an effort to get themnselves over to America so kids DO have someone to turn to.
TSW - I can speak for myself, there was a point to my post - the point being that as much as I find it scary what kids go through in programs, I find it scary they'd find themselves with no money, no ID, no resources on the streets/in the woods and so on, that's what this thread is about right?
It makes me sick that these kids' own families would turn them away to have them put back inot an abusive situation, if any of my cousins/friends kids came to me with a problem, I'd help them out without hesitation
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I have a mind to get in contact with Childline and see if they can't come to this forum and make an effort to get themnselves over to America so kids DO have someone to turn to.
That has the potential of going both ways. What may be advocacy in one country could easily change to complicity in another, if the right pressure is applied. Dynamics can change drastically once the context is.
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I disagree, I can't see Childline ever agreeing to place kids back inot an abusive situation, they certainly wouldn't be blinded by anything they were told, they'd do their research first, they aren't interested in what the parents want, what the government want, they are interested in stopping child abuse
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Things can go ugly with even the most well-intentioned folks. Not that I would know anything about that.
Taking a socialized service from a socialized country and migrating it to a largely capitalist one is most likely going to compromise it, because the organization will have to make its own compromises in order to remain intact. It WILL change. For better or worse. My vote is the latter. Conflicts of interest are the American way.
Personally, I don't think it would even be possible for them to establish themselves here. Square peg, round hole. And any American-initiated clone of the organization is going to bear little resemblance.
I'm not saying that America is the all-evil corruptible whatever... it's just different. Childline would simply manifest itself differently here.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for there to be a place that abused kids can turn to, or a Harriet Tubman underground railroad for TBS survivors and runaways. Won't happen.
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Cassandra
Childline isn't an authority, they are a charity set up to help abused kids out of the situation, they do deal with kids who other issues other than abuse but that is the main reason for them being there
If you had childline in USA they would never in a million years throw you back into the lion's den, in the UK, to place you in a program you don't want to be in would be considered abusive - even social services who are government run, won't take kids at a parent's request no matter how much the parent needs a break or whatever reason they have without the child's consent
There are so many kids out here that are carers for their parents, they don't get help, they can be as young as 8 years old and still have to deal with it, they don't get a break from the constant day in, day out caring responsibilities they have - a policeman friend was telling me recently of a 13 year old girl he has to deal with regularly who is caring for a junkie mum, her 4 younger brothers and sisters who are totally wild and running riot and the girl is expecting a baby herself, social services see she is managing and don't want to know, a pregnant 13 year old caring for 4 other kids and an adult??? It's so wrong on so many levels. If she was being abused sexually, she'd be taken into care and released into the world at 16 years of age - imo she is being abused mentally
I know of another girl who is 14 years old caring for her younger family and mum who hasd had a breakdown, what the hell does a 14 year old know about breakdowns and child rearing? the poor kid is beside herself because she doesn't know what to do - no help there either......
But childline are always on the end of the phone 24/7, these girls can pick up the phone for advice, just to talk and childline will often be able to put them in touch with agencies who will give them numbers of agencies who can give them some respite, agencies no-one knows about until someone happens to mention them.
So they wouldn't be fleeing any authorities, just turning to a charitable lending hand, in fact after reading your posts here, I have a mind to get in contact with Childline and see if they can't come to this forum and make an effort to get themnselves over to America so kids DO have someone to turn to.
TSW - I can speak for myself, there was a point to my post - the point being that as much as I find it scary what kids go through in programs, I find it scary they'd find themselves with no money, no ID, no resources on the streets/in the woods and so on, that's what this thread is about right?
It makes me sick that these kids' own families would turn them away to have them put back inot an abusive situation, if any of my cousins/friends kids came to me with a problem, I'd help them out without hesitation
The point is childline is a lovely kettle of fish for us Gin swilling dead beats here in merry olde England. Won't do a jot or bloody fuckin' tittle of good for you sodding yanks, but I will prattle along about it anyway. Don't mine me for clouding up yet another thread with my well intentioned scat.
Seriously luv. Fuck off. Best damn thread to hit the forums in awhile and you are spamming it with your socialist horse shit. If you have something useful to add to the Escaper's guide then do so postehaste. If not, pull that bloody great cork out of your arse and stuff it firmly between those two cock holders that rest right under your nose.
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And you are who exactly?
When someone tells me I am banned from the site or tells me that you have the authority to tell me to leave a thread - then so be it, if you don't like my point of view that's your problem, you'll find in life others do have different opinions other than yours, get over yourself narcassist
until then - seriously luv - YOU fuck off
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I have a feeling exhausted still doesnt 100% "get" programs, or for that matter, "get" the USA.
Meh.
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No I don't, and the more I learn about programs, the more I don't want to know, I never have got the way USA does things, I doubt I ever will, lots of niceties on the outside, but rotten to the core by the sounds of it
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Water: In the wilderness, if you're out of water---and not in a desert or similar---find the lowest point and dig a hole. It should start filling with water at the bottom of it in a half hour or so. It will be muddy and yucky, but it will keep you alive.
I disagree with the earlier advice about bleaching or dyeing clothes. I can't think of a better way to get caught before you run---except confiding in some other kid who you know would never rat you out.
Wear grays, browns, or blacks. Wear the drabbest clothes you can find--nothing brightly colored. It's awfully hard to describe dark or drab clothing in a way that makes you findable.
Look, I can describe this imaginary runner: White male, 16, 5'10", short brown hair, brown eyes, medium build, last seen wearing gray sweat pants, a gray sweat shirt, and sneakers with no shoelaces.
Of that description, only the last bit is useful to anyone looking for you.
So don't be seen in the daytime anywhere by anybody until you've been able to steal or otherwise aquire some shoes. Does counselor Joe-bob fatass have feet your size? To hell with stealing his car keys, steal his *shoes*---on a day when he's wearing drab or common, old shoes. Old shoes get dingy. You don't really notice them when you look at someone---you're eyes just kind of slide over them without focusing. Same with drab clothes.
Don't bother trying to change the appearance of the clothes and shoes, drab is enough. Nothing stands out in the woods like brightly colored clothing. Okay, if you're wearing white, get dirty unless you're in snow. Don't run in snow unless you're experienced at camping in inclement weather.
In cold weather, after your golden hour and all that---after you've taken care of the immediate problem of getting away and you're three or four days into your escape, working on staying gone---travelling at night is good because it keeps you out of sight, and keeps you moving (and thus generating heat) in the coldest hours of each day. DO NOT push yourself so hard that you sweat. The sweat wil either try to freeze on your body, or get your clothes wet and they'll try to freeze on you. Either way, it's a good way to lose body heat, go into hypothermia, and die.
The Discovery Channel has a great show--Survivorman, I think it's called. If you're worried about this ever happening to you, you might want to make a habit of watching it.
Similarly, don't try a desert escape, or a dry-country escape in a drought, if you don't know what you're doing outdoors. If you're going to escape in dry (but never desert) country, do it with plenty of water and in the rainy season, or with plenty of water and after a good rain.
Looking like a vagrant gets you questioned and noticed in rural areas--if you're seen, small towns, very small cities, or "nice" parts of town in more urban places. Looking like a vagrant in the rundown parts of cities makes you invisible. If you can't help looking like a vagrant, then make darned sure you just aren't seen until you get to a moderate-sized city.
ID to travel and day labor jobs: Illegal aliens can get fake ID, so can you. Do the jobs the illegals take, be nice, respectful, and polite to them---get in good with them. To get in good with them, work very hard at the job---most latino illegals have little respect for lazy gringos. Once you're in good with those folks, get their help getting fake ID. The rapist stepfather is always a good line for what you're getting away from---works for both sexes. Do not use it unless you have to, and if you do, just say, "Yeah. My stepfather...liked me too much. I don't wanna talk about it. Let's just say he liked me too much and leave it at that." If you're a hard worker and never try to scam anybody for money, ever, and you aren't trying to get alcohol or drugs and use them, and you aren't trying to charm your way into people's pants, people will not suspect you of trying to run another scam on you---they'll sense you're running from something, but if you're a hard worker without unsavory habits, they're going to presume that whatever you're running from is the other guy's fault.
Fake ID won't get you a good job, but it will let you travel on a bus after a few months to get farther away. Don't go back anywhere near your home town. Fake ID will help you out, if you lay low and don't use it except for that one crucial bus trip, until you get legal adulthood. Then you can see about getting your real ID. You may not have to take that bus trip, and should avoid it if you can---if you get in good with the illegals, then if some of them are going from the city you're in to another one, they may let you ride along if you chip in on gas.
Again, street smarts and being too smart to burn the people around you are at a premium.
The biggest thing of all is being smart enough to keep your mouth shut, before and after you run.
You can get away with all kinds of stuff if you know how to absolutely keep your mouth shut. If you run off at the mouth, if you confide in people, you'll get caught at everything.
In a healthy, functional, sane life, confiding in people is good. When you're doing something you ain't s'posed to, confiding in people is *s*t*u*p*i*d*. Big, flashing neon letters kind of stupid.
Maybe you are the one fantastic, shining individual who would never rat anyone out. If so, you're just about the only one. Do not make the mistake of thinking anybody around you is like you and won't rat you out the same way you wouldn't rat them out. I know this---I'm too stupidly stubborn and idealistic to rat people out. And I've learned from hard experience that the odds are that good old friend/relative/lover so-and-so WILL RAT.
Maybe you aren't that individual. If you'd rat, don't think whoever you'd confide in wouldn't.
Either way---dear friend/family/lover you can confide in = RAT.
Everybody you trusted who rats you out always does it with the best of intentions, for your own good, because they love you and want to help you. When they finally admit, twenty years later, that their "help" effed you over but good, their refrain is always the same, "How was I supposed to know? I only wanted to help. I love you so much. I really thought I was doing the right thing. How was I supposed to know? Believe me, if I could do it over again, I would."
The authorities and whoever else you're running from try to scare anyone they think you'd run to. They're very effective at scaring them, because most of the time the folks you're running from really could seriously hurt--through legal means--the folks they think you might confide in or run to. At the same time, the folks you're running from are very effective at convincing the folks you might confide in that it's all for your own good.
Virtually everybody you might run to, including 90% of the people you think would never narc you out, will believe the "it's for your own good" line because they want to believe it---because believing it and going along gets the pressure and threats off them.
And, after all, if it turns out to be disastrous for you, then they can always say, "How was I supposed to know? I love you and just wanted to help you and do what was best."
Everybody in this world, including you, has boundless capacity for self-deception.
In a normal, healthy, sane life, you confiding in those folks and them confiding in you is not only good, it's essential.
When you're on the run from something, confiding in people is stupid. Confiding in people who like you or love you is even dumber, because they will always be easy prey for the argument that they're doing what's best for you.
Even if they think the Program is Evil Incarnate, the authorities will argue--quite convincingly--to anyone who cares about you even a little bit that you're in horrible deadly danger on the street and that the Evil Incarnate Program is at least a little less bad for you than the street.
After all, would people be paying all that money to get you the special help that you so desperately need--considering how much they love you (and your folks will be able to convince your confidant that they love you, because they almost certainly do)--if it was a more dangerous place than the street for God's sake?! Of course they wouldn't!
Except that the kids that have died in the Programs obviously wouldn't have been in more danger on the street, now would they?
Whether I think the street is more dangerous or not is one thing. If you want to make the choice that you think it's less dangerous, you better understand that anybody who cares about you can be easily persuaded that the street is the absolute worst, most dangerous thing for you and that they're horribly, criminally betraying you if they don't narc you out.
I'm 40. In my life I've seen more people caught for more stuff----huge numbers of folks caught doing huge numbers of things---that they'd never have been caught for if they'd had the brains to just keep their mouths shut.
This applies to bad people doing bad things that they genuinely shouldn't have done---sometimes very horrible, evil things.
This also applies to good people trying to evade the harm of somebody doing something to them "for their own good" as well. In spades.
Julie
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World of difference there. Hands down, no question, while I wasn't "safe" in the euphemistic way you're after for your kid, I was safer out than in.
Goddamn, I'm glad someone finally made this point.. :exclaim:
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The point is childline is a lovely kettle of fish for us Gin swilling dead beats here in merry olde England. Won't do a jot or bloody fuckin' tittle of good for you sodding yanks, but I will prattle along about it anyway. Don't mine me for clouding up yet another thread with my well intentioned scat.
Seriously luv. Fuck off. Best damn thread to hit the forums in awhile and you are spamming it with your socialist horse shit. If you have something useful to add to the Escaper's guide then do so postehaste. If not, pull that bloody great cork out of your arse and stuff it firmly between those two cock holders that rest right under your nose.
I'm not really following this too closely, but that sure was some funny Brit-speak there! :lol:
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No I don't, and the more I learn about programs, the more I don't want to know, I never have got the way USA does things, I doubt I ever will, lots of niceties on the outside, but rotten to the core by the sounds of it
Well without the USA you'd be singing the German national anthem and praising the master race. :rofl:
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The closer to home the better. The longer you are in the program the harder it is going to be to remember phone numbers, names. Even then the people you might have known might be gone, or changed because they were told horrible lies about you. Or your parents snitched on them while you were away, or something like that. I would always suggest trying to make it back to your home city and get in contact with whoever you can that can help. You can also go to your parents house when nobody is there and grab some of your stuff and wallet, and all that good stuff if it's there.
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TSW I am wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get out of a program without actually running.
Did any kids you see get sent home or somewhere else, and what were the reasons why that happened?
Any sneaky letter tricks? Kids secretly contacting CPS? Going crazy and being sent home? Etcetera...
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Most teenagers know the ins and outs of their neighborhood and could get in and out undetected. It's not like the kid is Osama, unless someone physically grabs the kid and holds him down, he can run way before any cops are going to arrive. If you have friends and resources in your home city it's going to be the place you go. Remember that one kid from SCL who was staying with his friends parents for instance. If you have resources I would exploit them to the fullest at that point. Escpecially if you are underage, you need all the help you can get.
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the downside to refusing is eventually they may make you make your own meals over a fire. At my 3 springs facility, they made you make your own meals out of the kitchen and over a fire.
this one time i had a kid who was on suicide watch, contact buddy and who was refusing... along with a second kid who was on run watch, and everything but contact buddy (she still fucking ran!!) and they made us do a fire and cook our meals over it. quite frankly, i didnt know what was worse.... chase after the runner, or keep the suicide/contact buddy close to me and let other people chase. the runner bolted when my back was turned... the runner was wearing flipflops too and ran through thickets of pricker bushes. she made it to the road before she was tackled in a restraint. she was picked up by the cops later that night and taken to a locked down facility. she practically did everything to make herself appear "crazy".
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Have any kids gone on hunger/thirst strikes?
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the downside to refusing is eventually they may make you make your own meals over a fire. At my 3 springs facility, they made you make your own meals out of the kitchen and over a fire.
this one time i had a kid who was on suicide watch, contact buddy and who was refusing... along with a second kid who was on run watch, and everything but contact buddy (she still fucking ran!!) and they made us do a fire and cook our meals over it. quite frankly, i didnt know what was worse.... chase after the runner, or keep the suicide/contact buddy close to me and let other people chase. the runner bolted when my back was turned... the runner was wearing flipflops too and ran through thickets of pricker bushes. she made it to the road before she was tackled in a restraint. she was picked up by the cops later that night and taken to a locked down facility. she practically did everything to make herself appear "crazy".
How did the lockdown treat her?
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Have any kids gone on hunger/thirst strikes?
I went on a medication strike. I was on 4mg of xanax per day which is the most you are supposed to prescribe to an adult. I was also on a thyroid medication that I wasn't supposed to come off of quickly. It didn't work, I will come back and tell the story in detail I just cant stomach it right now. But yeah it didnt' work.
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How did the lockdown treat her?
i have no clue... she transfered out that night and we never heard from her again
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TSW I am wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get out of a program without actually running.
Did any kids you see get sent home or somewhere else, and what were the reasons why that happened?
Any sneaky letter tricks? Kids secretly contacting CPS? Going crazy and being sent home? Etcetera...
During group session, give a visual presentation of your favorite masturbatory techniques. Refer to the staff as Nazi death camp guards and make a loud and believable display of abject terror when you hear the word "showers". Develop the practice of continual navel gazing.
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Stand up in a rap session and declare that you ARE the institution you are incarcerated in. Then start shaking and drooling until they tell you to have a seat.
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I think religious people ARE more likely to kill themselves because they believe in an afterlife. One time I bought Ritz crackers, and the face of Jesus was on one of them. I thought about selling it on ebay, like other people do, but I remembered what Jesus said and so I ate the cracker, the body of Christ. Ever since then I've never quite been the same.
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Have any kids gone on hunger/thirst strikes?
I was about to ask the same
urely once a person gets to the stage of being too weak to be anywhere other than in a hospital, they have to take them there?
it's from there I'd run once i got my strength back.
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It's when you start to build your wall, and finally take a stand when they want to really mindfuck you hard and tear down what you built. I never went on a hunger strike but I did try a medication strike. The day started like any other. We went and sat in this small building and did school which was just sitting there all day. I mostly spent my time staring at my book with unfocused eyes just daydreaming. There was a fire extinguisher in the room and I had always planned on using that one day to spray someone. I was on a bunch of medications and was always tired and I put my head down and felt like shit. The staff told me to put my head up and I quipped something like, fuck you I am going to kill you and your family. I mean yeah, it was a fucked up thing to say, I am not justifying it it's just the way it went down. So anyways, he came over and grabbed me and pulled me outside and was like wtf man, take that back! I was just like whatever man, and didnt answer and he called in another staff and they said I better apologize or I would go to isolation. So I said I was kidding and they sent me to isolation anyways. So I was pretty pissed or whatever up there knowing it would be three days minimum. So I decided I would try to use my medication against them and force their hand and get taken to the hospital. Now that I think back, I should have just kept pretending I was taking them, and let myself get really sick, and then sprung the truth on them when it was too late. But since it was my first time using my body as a protest I was upfront and said fuck you, Im not taking my pills. Nothing really happened the first day. Dont think they knew the significance of it, as there was no psychiatrist present ever. But the next day the family rep came up to isolation which never happened and thats when the manipulation started. At first she plays nice, saying that she would let me out if I took it. But then I brought up the fact they said if I apologized I wouldn't have to go to iso, and she says there are no acceptions to cat 5's. We do the back and forth but I wasn't budging on the fake caring routine.
She left for the whole afternoon and came back later in the early evening. She was standing above me while I sat in this little iso room and she started explaining how I had no choice in taking it. She said if I didnt take it that I would be taken to the hospital and handcuffed to the bed, given an IV and they would ween me off of the meds over the course of a week. Then they would bring me back to iso and they said they would make it much worse. I still wasn't budging but the manipulation was really getting thick and the environment was getting pretty crazy emotionally. The walls were definitely starting to crack. Then she brings in the big guns. She says that she was just on the phone with my father. When I was sitting in an iso room in the middle of nowhere, to hear that someone else has contact with a person who can end it all.. its intense, at least it was for me. I was so excited, anxious, angry.. I just wanted to talk to him and tell him what was going on. But she was the gatekeeper and used this as a tool of manipulation and evil. So then she actually sits down on the ground with me and holds me in between her legs on the ground and strokes my hair and stuff and holds the pill in her hand and holds my hands open and puts in my hand. She starts saying how my dad sounded really sad and was crying that I was doing so bad, and he was dissapointed I couldn't work the program. This was actually taking place the day before thanksgiving, and she said that my dad told her that he will always remember that day as the year I ruined thanksgiving. She brought out the sledgehammers at that point and broke my walls down. She knew the one thing she could manipulate me with was the fact I didnt like to let down my dad. So I started crying in her arms and she was holding me and stuff and stroking my head and rocking and pleading with me to take the pills... and after a couple day stand, I took the pills.
I had only been at the program a couple months and this was my first real big stand against it, before that I was just a drone who never caused too much trouble. But after that I was in and out of iso all the time for other shit. They also took me off of the strong meds I was on so I couldnt do that again. They brought in a nurse practioner and they took me off of xanax in like a week, when I got home my doctor said that was crazy and could of been dangerous.. oops! I found out later that family rep had sex with kids while working there, which makes the memory all the more creepy. :roll:
They are master manipulators. But seriously, teenagers are pretty naive at the forces that adults can use against them. A twisted letter from a parent, it's stronger than any man on earth. It can take down the strongest man you've seen if it contains the right words in a certain order. It's fucked up shit.
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I wouldn't put it past a facility to tempt the kid into eating with tasty snacks and that sort of thing.
I don't think some programs are going to reward negative behavior. That's not behavior modification.
If you don't eat, you starve. That's behavior modification at the core.
Throw in a healthy dose of shaming, faux love and brainwashing and you just about got a program there!
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A runner might try Covenent House in NYC. They don't force you back home.
The closest thing to childline we have is the nineline:
1-800-999-9999.
http://www.nineline.org/ (http://www.nineline.org/)
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run away
never look back
careful not to
leave a track
shower of
colored drops
freedom reigns
down
on those
willing
to take a track
and not look back
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I disagree, I can't see Childline ever agreeing to place kids back inot an abusive situation, they certainly wouldn't be blinded by anything they were told, they'd do their research first, they aren't interested in what the parents want, what the government want, they are interested in stopping child abuse
period
No, I think you still don't quite understand. The good people at the timeout house didn't know they were placing me back into an abusive situation. They talked to my older sister, who was sincere as anybody in her willingness to help. So I took the bus ticket, cashed it in and thumbed my way to Newburyport from Youngstown (needed the cash and much preferred hitchhiking anyway... it's just more fun and interesting) That lasted about a week or two, before she felt guilty over making our poor mother worry and finally ratted me out. I could have split from there, but that would have left her holding the bag for serious charges; aiding and abetting a runaway, no drumstick at Thanksgiving, etc. So I willingly got on the plane, switched in Atlanta where my other brother turned up to make sure I couldn't split from the airport. All entirely well intended, as they really didn't understand the danger I was running from either. And I couldn't explain it, not even the rough sketch years later.
The detectives who arrested me at that same brother's house on an extradition order from Florida were perfectly decent, well intended, even kind men. But they had their orders and they followed them.
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always useful information for runners!
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1. let goodwilling freinds at home know about your situation, and arange a place to meet, and a signal. once you run away, send the signal and have them pick you up. doesnt get any easier. just make sure they dont drive directly to the school. may also be smart to use a different car for the pickup than for the drive home. get an automated licence plate cover, so you can cover the plates when need be.
2. be a program bitch untill the last second. you have to act very well. let yourself be taken over, allow your mind to be as pliable as play-doh but never, ever, ever forget who you really are. always maintain the ability to snap back to your old self. as said before, reistance breeds suspicion.
3. if you are in a rural or suburban setting, STAY AWAY FROM THE ROADS!!!!!! follow the road, but maintain good distance and cover so that no cars can see you, only use the road as a guide. put at least 20-40 miles between you and the school before you attempt hitchhiking. that much walking shouldnt be much for someone coming out of a wilderness program. change your appearance first!
4. never take rides from anyone over 30 unless you truly belive they will help you and wont ask questions. older people tend to not care and assume you're just a runaway. aim for college age kids.
5. try to cultivate a relationship with someone not affiliated with the school, but who lives around it. this will help greatly.
6. memorize all important phone, bank, ID, and creditcard numbers.
7. if possible, set up a bank account or safety deposit box in a local bank where it can be acsessed solely with a password or pin, no card or ID. put an extra set of clothes, an ID, money, etc in the box. most banks have this service although they do not advertise it. speak to the manager, you might have to send some money his way but you can most definitely make it happen.
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This advice will get you arrested. Ignore the above post.
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This advice will get you arrested. Ignore the above post.
:question: ::huh::
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This advice will get you arrested. Ignore the above post.
Abusing children SHOULD get you arrested. ::phone::
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Illegal (really not like guests post) Ideas that WORK (proven by recent news stories)
1.HIT STAFF OVER THE HEAD WITH A PAN
Steal their car, and drive home! Can't get much simpler than that.
It works too!
2. STEAL STAFF CAR KEYS
Wait until late at night or early in the morning.
Take the car, drive home!
Simple!
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can';t forget program rioting, that has worked a few times now as well. violence works!
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with the exeption of the license plate cover, nothing in my post is ilegal. sounds shady, but it's all perfectly legal.
Running away from a program, when your under 18, is ilegal enough.
switching cars, safety deposit boxes, smart freindships, smart movement, memorization, how is that illegal?
of course, your freind will get in trouble for "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" when they help you escape, but thats kinda a given.
my steps take preparation, but belive me, they work. i know from experience. i've never done it myself, but i helped one of my freinds out...and this is what they did.