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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 15, 2006, 06:11:56 PM
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If you currently have a child at HLA...do whatever you can to get them out of there...they are NOT safe...
there is NOT enough staff
there is NOT any security
there is NOT enough people to be in the dorms to keep order
there is NOT enough people to keep your kids from having UNPROTECTED sex with eachother (hetero or homosexual sex)
there is NOT anyone left there who cares enough about your kids to keep them from getting jumped, hazed, beaten, raped or killed!
all of the staff for the most part has left as of today...
the Dean in charge of the Morning shift are gone, the Dean in charge of the evening shift is gone, there are probably 3 "RC's" left and for the amount of kids there, that is NOT enough...
Ridge Creek has either been let go or they have quit...there are 5 students there and they have lost Mark and most likely Steve...
if you don't get it then here it is again...
YOU KIDS ARE NOT SAFE!!!
please, do whatever you can to keep them home after break to pull them after finals, to put them in a different law abiding program or individual counseling...anything but please do it before there is someone seriously hurt...AGAIN!!!
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I wonder if we couldn't get this sent to their ed cons mailing list?
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Yeah, send them to a "law abiding program". :rolleyes:
Parents! Leave your kids at HLA. There aren't enough staff to make them do anything, meaning that the place has become an anarchic paradise. With the dwindling staff level and lack of security, sooner or later it's going to be just your kids and Len Buccellato, and would you really want your kid to miss out on an assbeating like that, particularly after all the crap Len put him through? Of course not! So leave your kid at HLA until he gets a frag count all his own!
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You guys are soooo full of shit. HLA has significantly less violence/sex and more supervision than any public school system. These are just kids who have been oppositional for Christ's sake, and for the record most all have tried individual counseling, unsuccessfully. Try to fill everyones head with drama but your opinions are calculated attacks and do not represent a shred of truth regarding the level of safety on campus. Parents know you are full of shit too and just so you have a real fact on your stupid message board...attrition is at an all time low. Go ahead and distort that one now, make it into a conspiracy of sorts. Fucking blows my mind how retarded all of you looser posters are and I feel dirty just for joining your ranks for one brief moment of my life. Im going to take a shower now. [/quote]
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You guys are soooo full of shit. HLA has significantly less violence/sex and more supervision than any public school system. These are just kids who have been oppositional for Christ's sake, and for the record most all have tried individual counseling, unsuccessfully. Try to fill everyones head with drama but your opinions are calculated attacks and do not represent a shred of truth regarding the level of safety on campus. Parents know you are full of shit too and just so you have a real fact on your stupid message board...attrition is at an all time low. Go ahead and distort that one now, make it into a conspiracy of sorts. Fucking blows my mind how retarded all of you looser posters are and I feel dirty just for joining your ranks for one brief moment of my life. Im going to take a shower now.
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Newsflash: HLA is closing because of the things like you wrote above, violence, sex, lack of supervision, and let's not forget the fraud.
You seem to be the only one not getting it.
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no, i get it very well thank you...but as bad as it was it is now worse then it has ever been...
i don't know if your intention was to be smug...but my warning was very real and very much reality now more than ever...at least before all of this there was more than an extreme minimal of staff, there was at least people, if only as warm bodies, at night, there was day time staff, again even as warm bodies, that were able to at least make a presence in the hall ways...NOW there is NO ONE and most of the kids that have been "admitted" in the last 12 mos are SO not appropriate....
so ... again ... i say it with much stress...
YOUR KIDS ARE LESS SAFE THERE THEN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN!!!
kids have been placed there that shouldn't have just becasue they could pay and their parents would rather see them at HLA instead of jail which is where some of them should be or are headed...
the inmates are running the place and that makes for a very bad situation!
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OOPS....I APOLOGIZE...I THOUGHT THAT THE ABOVE POST WAS TO WHAT I POSTED IN THE BEGINNING OF THE FORM...I DIDN'T READ THE QUOTE...SO I AM SORRY!!!
HEHE...GUESS YOU CAN TELL WHERE I WORKED...!!
LOLOLOL
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Fortunately I have a life and am not going to spend my saturday crunching numbers for you. Funny how you don't ask for stats when the bogus claims are made like in the beginning of this posting. One need only look at the stellar subject/verb agreement to know where this thought or lack thereof comes from. The statistics for violence in schools is online if you care to investigate with one click of google. I work at HLA and the reason I know that this is crap is because i spend every day with these kids who are awesome, however misguided or angry or sad. They are nothing like the poster suggested but I am sure you and most people realize that anyway...I also went to high school which I am sure most of you did as well and realize that access to drugs/sex was soooo much greater in the public/private system where the assumption is that the kid will not take advantage of their freedoms. There were fights every day in my high school, hazing, cussing out teachers - thats high school dude, thats life man. Lets be objective here, I get angry about this but I know you people are really smarter than this crap. Move on...come to campus if you are really concerned, seriously. Its great these days and I honestly appreciate the relevant postings that have kept everyone on their toes and helped people reevaluate how much misbehavior we will tolerate from some of the bad apples that permeate any environment. I don't mind people being critical but most of what I encounter here is so wildly outrageous that it makes me cringe
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Allright, tell us this then, is the post yesterday regarding the staff members leaving true or false?
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Yeah, I think its common knowledge that certain people are leaving...some of the vets (not all) I can confirm. Im not sure which staff in particular you are referring to and I am not sure why you need me to verify it...I think what it boils down to is what your interpretation of the exodus is beyond the fact that lower enrollment means we cannot support as many staff. Intelligent people leave when their is uncertainty in an organization, which has been mostly fueled by the petition for a lawsuit (not actually a lawsuit). I would never blame anyone for making this decision...its a tough field and people get burnt out. These kids are not easy to work with all the time as you might imagine. Be objective...
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Fair enough. Do you feel that the lack of key staff presents a safety issue for the kids?
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The kids are great, they lie, everyone lies dude or has in the past. They are young and entitled so they lie now more than ever but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still great kids and growing up. Dishonesty and resistance is like their hallmark problem coming into the facility...? I don't know how an investigation is anything but that, an investigation. You can file a suit against anyone, or write anything you want or make whatever claim you need to get people to visit your campus. I honestly don't know what claim in particular you are curious about that a kid "came forward" with but im guessing that is what the investigation will examine, right? I know everyone who works or worked at RCI and they are better on so many levels than any staff I have worked with in a state regulated/licensed facility...this is a different level of service than is publicly available...what are you shooting for here, an error free organization.
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You're dodging the question.
Do you feel that the lack of key staff presents a safety issue for the kids at HLA/RC?
Do you feel that adults ever lie and or manipulate?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding its purpose?
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Robert,
In general it would present a concern but with the census is low, like 5 at RCI...they are overstaffed, hence leading to the people being worried becuase they don't have enough work. Same at HLA. with less kids we need less staff. My feel is that everything is running in proportion now but I know some people have worked overtime. Thats what you do if you care about your organization. Gotta run for today but I will be back...thanks for the sparring session.
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I see.
Less kids=Less staff. Makes sense I suppose. I wonder though is the remaining staff at all qualified? Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Were you going to answer those other questions or are you going to employ typical staff behavior and run off tail tucked between your legs whenever a couple of questions come up that you cannot bullshit your way through?
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Fortunately I have a life and am not going to spend my saturday crunching numbers for you. Funny how you don't ask for stats when the bogus claims are made like in the beginning of this posting. One need only look at the stellar subject/verb agreement to know where this thought or lack thereof comes from. The statistics for violence in schools is online if you care to investigate with one click of google. I work at HLA and the reason I know that this is crap is because i spend every day with these kids who are awesome, however misguided or angry or sad. They are nothing like the poster suggested but I am sure you and most people realize that anyway...I also went to high school which I am sure most of you did as well and realize that access to drugs/sex was soooo much greater in the public/private system where the assumption is that the kid will not take advantage of their freedoms. There were fights every day in my high school, hazing, cussing out teachers - thats high school dude, thats life man. Lets be objective here, I get angry about this but I know you people are really smarter than this crap. Move on...come to campus if you are really concerned, seriously. Its great these days and I honestly appreciate the relevant postings that have kept everyone on their toes and helped people reevaluate how much misbehavior we will tolerate from some of the bad apples that permeate any environment. I don't mind people being critical but most of what I encounter here is so wildly outrageous that it makes me cringe
you really don't get it. hla is closing. have you noticed that the staff have left in droves and that hla is a shambles? if not, you're the last blind one left. i mean, how could you not notice your own pay cut and slahing of vacation/sick/bereavement leave?
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Robert,
What I am going to do is finish writing an email to my good friend who just chimed in on my icq account and then I am going to eat...thanks for asking... Objectivity would require you to suspend your conspiracy "tucking my head" conclusion and give me a chance to come back later...honestly it has been fun.
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HLA should have less violence, drugs, sex. That is a realistic expectation and what parents pay $6000/mo for. As they told parents in the workshop... "You can't watch your child 24/7, we can." And that is presumed to be accomplished with a high staff to student ratio.
The original poster stated that the AM/PM Deans were gone, only three RCs which was inadequate. It was also reported that the Nightwatch/ Security Staff are gone. If that is true, then the concern seems resonable, given HLAs demographic of kids. No matter the statistics in public school vs HLA, there is ample research to show that the aggregation of distressed kids presents a more volitile environment which requires more supervision, if one hopes to have even minimal 'success'.
It was also reported that the Admissions Dir (Nicole), the Director (Keith), and possibly the licensed therapist (Steve) were gone, or leaving RC. That is a legitimate concern, because RC can't function without those staff in place, no matter if they have 5 or 175 kids enrolled. It's a violation of state regs. Have those positions been filled?
How many students are there at HLA?
What is the current staff:student ratio?
Are the Dean positions filled?
Is there nightwatch or security?
Is RC functioning without an Adm Dir, Dir, Licensed Therapist?
Those are the questions posed, that I didn't hear a clear answer for.
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It's fine. You can make time for excuses as to why you can't answer a couple of questions, dodge and perry, write emails, make long winded posts, but you cannot simply answer a few simple questions for lack of time.
Meanwhile you chide me for not being objective all while you claim we are "retarded losers who are full of shit."
Again typical staff behavior. I wonder if you'll find another place to work that encourages such nonsense.
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Deborah, please...he has to take a shower. Be objective.
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steve was far from being a licensed therapist. he once got into a car accident and had to have a large portion of his brain taken out. he's practically retarted. the only thing is...he has a heart which is why he's ok.
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Ha! Typical staff behavior, typical human behavior. Yes I get angry...sorry if i hurt your feelings, somehow I doubt it. What I should have said is that most of the conclusions made by many of the posters suggests a lack of rational or intelligent thought...this is a human frailty present in some more than others. Seriously, I will come back and hopefully satisfy your thirst for knowledge...which begs the question if any of you can truly be satisfied. We all know the answer to that one...go outside its beautiful....seroiusly go outside....
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Dodge, evade and repeat...always repeat.
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I don't know how an investigation is anything but that, an investigation.
As for the ORS inspection... have you read it?
It's my understanding that ORS found RC running "Interventions" for HLA and didn't possess any of the required documentation for those kids.
Thirty-three pages of violations. That's a record.
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Wow, this is kinda addictive, posting and all. I think your the one who keeps repeating and not acknowledging the fact that I need to be away from this to participiate in reality...but oddly I keep coming back...hmmmmmm. I wonder if you guys are always here and always angry because its a habit. Hmmm, i think you guys are about as committed to helping kids as smokers are to helping themselves relax and unwind.
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Yet you still cant answer a few simple questions. I guess you were right about some posters having a lack of intelligent thought. Namely you.
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How many students are there at HLA?
What is the current staff:student ratio?
Are the Dean positions filled?
Is there nightwatch or security?
Is RC functioning without an Adm Dir, Dir, Licensed Therapist?
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Intelligent people leave when their is uncertainty in an organization, which has been mostly fueled by the petition for a lawsuit (not actually a lawsuit). I would never blame anyone for making this decision...its a tough field and people get burnt out. These kids are not easy to work with all the time as you might imagine. Be objective...
Another question... define the difference between a "petition for a lawsuit" and a "lawsuit", as you understand it?
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It's threads like this that remind me why I come here.
I'm seriously awed. I haven't seen a denial of reality this thorough since the Iraqi Information Minister. Forget drinking the Kool-Aid, this guy eats it straight from the packet. I want to think it's a troll- always hard to tell on Fornits- but I doubt it, in this case. The complete ignoring of related questions (e.g. where the hell everyone went) is too extreme.
Why are you here? We have thread after thread after thread of why HLA and Ridge Creek are well and truly fucked. The lawsuit which you won't even admit is a lawsuit. Long-time staff leaving in droves. Key positions unfilled. I mean you don't even need to be involved in the issue to get a good idea of what's going on here.
"Hey, Person B, an institution is getting sued, people are leaving en masse and the positions aren't getting replaced, it's getting investigated by regulatory authorities.. what's happening to it?"
"Gee, Person A, I think it's shutting down!"
Any idiot with a shred of common sense can figure this one out. And yet, you get on here and try to reassure the readers of this forum (of all the places you could go!) that everything is just peachy keen and it's simply gotten smaller?
:lol:
Ya know, we need some more true believers over here. So when HLA finally goes under, mind becoming a zealot for our side? There's a shitload of other places we need to get shut down, and our Kool-Aid tastes better.
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I don't think it's a troll so much as it's just an employee who's really realee committed to the program and always has been.
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For the Record:
http://dictionary.law.com/ (http://dictionary.law.com/)
Petition
1) n. a formal written request to a court for an order of the court. It is distinguished from a complaint in a lawsuit which asks for damages and/or performance by the opposing party. Petitions include demands for writs, orders to show cause, modifications of prior orders, continuances, dismissal of a case, reduction of bail in criminal cases, a decree of distribution of an estate, appointment of a guardian, and a host of other matters arising in legal actions. 2) n. a general term for a writing signed by a number of people asking for a particular result from a private governing body (such as a homeowners association, a political party, or a club). 3) in public law, a writing signed by a number of people which is required to place a proposition or ordinance on the ballot, nominate a person for public office, or demand a recall election. Such petitions for official action must be signed by a specified number of registered voters (such as five percent). 4) v. to make a formal request of a court; to present a written request to an organization's governing body signed by one or more members. 5) n. a suit for divorce in some states, in which the parties are called petitioner and respondent.
Lawsuit
n. a common term for a legal action by one person or entity against another person or entity, to be decided in a court of law, sometimes just called a "suit." The legal claims within a lawsuit are called "causes of action."
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okay...i am the original poster AND former HLA employee (not so long ago) and the facts are as it stands from what i understand to be true:
all of the positions that have been "discontinued" have NOT been filled...other people have switched into the roles and still have to do all of their old duties...for example:
david jordan left rci, scott took on his roll plus his own, scott then left, cheryl took over part of those duties, cheryl left so now steve took over her therapeutic duties, then mark left so no steve is now left to do ALL admin and therapeutic duties...minus the 10%, isn't that right and i think that the only ones at RCI left are steve (possibly...depending on how badly the tag team len/jeff lunch went on friday), marty, danielle (who is now miserable and ready to leave), bridgette...i think that sounds about right...
so yeah, i guess 5 people makes a good ratio for only 5 students!!! running a 24 hour program...should be interesting, eh...
as for HLA...OH AND BY THE WAY...DEPT HEADS, DON'T FORGET NOT TO CASH YOUR PAYCHECKS UNTIL YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO (oh and Merry Christmas to you too!)
there are still several counseling staff and department heads...but gee, they go home at 5 or 8 or 10 and then there is who, trey, lee, shannon (maybe 1 or 2 more, not sure if elsa, or the other guy who was there) left to watch 90 or so kids...hmmm...sounds safe...and then they leave at 10 or so....then there were none!
and the kids are alone basically in the dorms...and "dude" i have been there when they were fully staffed and the 911 call went out for the girl who hung herself in the closet and came about seconds away from death...and when the cutters were running rampent on campus, when "hanibal" would come back from break and cut himself to ribbons because of what he did on breaks, when the girl raped the other with the stick...when the kids got hazed in the dorms, i saw the bruises, i saw the broken fingers, etc that went untreated and then had to have surgery to fix the problems...i have seen the incident reports about the kids giving eachother hand and blow jobs on the busses when they were supposed to be being watched...so "dude" don't tell me i don't know what i am talking about...i was there, i saw it, and i saw it covered up!
so do what you please on this beautiful day, but don't you dare tell ME that this is bullshit...casue you and i both know it is far from that!!!!!!!
and as for attrition...lets talk about THAT after finals which are convienently given AFTER winter break so that the kids will HAVE to return from break!
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oh, and another thing...for my not knowing anything...
Harper, the fantastic, loving special ed teacher for all those kids (80%) who are on IEP's...IS LEAVING...leaving them AGAIN with NO spec ed teacher...which was one of the things sited in the lawsuit AND something that they use in a selling point to the potential parents...AND the BELOVED music teacher Richard Prow left right after graduation!
so for teachers how many does that leave so i am thinking matt paul is pulling double duty or is that triple duty...AGAIN...oh wait, maybe kathleen is teaching again... :lol: ...wait, no she is to busy up David R's butt!! guess since len found a new butt muncher (jeff and mike) you are demoted to david!!!
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then mark left so no steve is now left to do ALL admin and therapeutic duties...
No can do. Violation of Regs. One person can't fill three key positions- Adm Dir, Dir, Therapist. And staff from HLA can't be cross utilized. Has RC reported this to ORS? To parents of kids who are there?
Hadn't heard that Cheryl left. That's unfortunate. She was the only reasonable and rational person I interacted with at both facilities. The only staff that treated me with a shread of decency and respect. A significant loss for RC.
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i agree about cheryl...she is an amazing and insightful person! as for the reporting...i don't think anyone has as of yet, but i really don't know...all of this just recently happened with mark, etc...so someone may have an i just don't know yet...DJ...do you know?
if i find out i will let you know...and i may just make the call myself...
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Guest could you please pick a username so might PM you?
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i pm'd you...i will have to change my user name...to recognizable to some...
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oh, also RB i have already spoken to DJ in length and contacted the attorneys...although i have not been able to touch base again with them due to my work schedule...
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Im spending 10 minutes with this tonight because I want to go enjoy other things. I will, however, address the issues in my own friggen time and I am not influenced by a few posters childish attempts to call leaving your house or your computer evading a question. Its solid example of how nothing can be true from anyone who is positive and that some posters spend way too much time disecting everything someone says, finding ways to twist it. I promise you if you spend the time you can twist anything.
Im not sure all the codes for who holds directorship positions or ratios (I will look into it though and repost) and who needs to be contacted, honestly, not my job, but I am extremely confident in Steve at RCI and I know this is the type of guy who advocates for employees and kids alike. I am deeply offended, as I am often as I read this garbage, that anyone would talk about his medical history/intelligence level whatever the hell someone mentioned before YOU DONT KNOW THIS GUY obviously. I call my friends retard and tell them they are full of shit all the time, which is why we are close but its not becuase I don't respect or like them. This personal shit is wrong and I know its not all of you who do it but everyone would probably have much more credibiliy if we all condemned it, all the time. Call it a bipartisan effort.
Next, to the original poster, sorry you are in such opposition but I am thinking its becuse you may have missed my point. Im not denying violence, cutting, broken fingers or suicidal gestures.... Danger exists everywhere and kids with emotional problems who are not sociopaths (hannibal sp? Ha! what a joke. commit violent acts every day. Ever been in a fight dude? I want you to take a moment to put things in perspective and honestly look at the stats for school violence. We have much less at HLA...I grew up in the northeast and the southeast and I am not sure what island you are from to deny that this kind of crap happens everywhere....so maybe parents should pull their kids from every school and lock them in a dungeon or something. Kids who are suicidal, honestly suicidal, will find a way to hurt themselves no matter what environment they are in. Cutting IS NOT A SUICIDE attempt...take a few moments and read the literature and how much this behavior happens all over the nation. Also take a look at the literature on sucide attempts in the school system as well as sucide success. And maybe you will consider one day spending some time doing some real good in this world by finding a school that is outside the norm, not one that you are so angry at that you cannot see the forest for the trees.
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and yet still he evades the questions. Simplee put, you're a coward. You can spend as much time as is needed to spin and post your propoganda, but you cannot answer a few simple questions.
Let's try it again:
How many students are there at HLA?
What is the current staff:student ratio?
Are the Dean positions filled?
Is there nightwatch or security?
Is RC functioning without an Adm Dir, Dir, Licensed Therapist?
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I am extremely confident in Steve at RCI and I know this is the type of guy who advocates for employees and kids alike.
C'mon Steve, there were questions. Answer 'em.
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One more thing.... 80% of the kids at HLA are not on IEP's. This number is so far fucking off I want to laugh but its just lovely how you pass it off as fact. Its more like one in every ten kids who has an actual current IEP. Are you guys not appauled at the misrepresentation of fact that happens so much? And we will miss Harper and Richard very much. They were indeed assets and will be impossible to replace. Don't take that litterally assholes:) We will be searching for qualified people. That was my friendly use of the word asshole by the way.
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How many students are there at HLA?
What is the current staff:student ratio?
Are the Dean positions filled?
Is there nightwatch or security?
Is RC functioning without an Adm Dir, Dir, Licensed Therapist?
You guys are good at drawing people out but seriously this is the last one. Im not sure what the exact figures are on these but I will guess. Im thinking around 110 kids, 60something staff maybe more, a few deans just left and I don't know how many or how quickly they will be replaced, there is night security and camera, and RC is functioning with a director who meets the requirements...
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Awesome! We actually got some answers out of Steve!
Now all we need to do is wait for Deb or DJ to come on and give us the real ones.
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"Kids who are suicidal, honestly suicidal, will find a way to hurt themselves no matter what environment they are in."
With this statement being made what level of observation does HLA place these students on? Is the psychiatrist called immediately? Are the parents notified? What precautions are taken? Better yet, does anyone even bother to ask the student what is going on and what might help? Or, does the staff just assume they know and tell the kid what he is feeling?
Going back to the original statement. HLA has a responsibility to ensure that students don't hurt themselves while in their care. If they can't manage that behavior than they have NO business in admitting that student. If the behavior is new a referral should be made to a more qualified facility. There is certainly nothing wrong with admitting that something is outside of your scope of care. If anything it shows referral sources that you recognize your strengths and are willing to make decisions that are in the best interest of the student/family. Continuing to treat these students at HLA is unethical and simply reflects the gross misconduct that has been reported on this board.
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Lets face facts. The staff that remains might very well be the only thing HLA owns outright.
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The kids are great, they lie, everyone lies dude or has in the past. They are young and entitled so they lie now more than ever but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still great kids and growing up. Dishonesty and resistance is like their hallmark problem coming into the facility...? I don't know how an investigation is anything but that, an investigation. You can file a suit against anyone, or write anything you want or make whatever claim I want you to get people to visit your campus. I honestly don't know what claim in particular you are curious about that a kid "came forward" with but im guessing that is what the investigation will examine, right? I know everyone who works or worked at RCI and they are better on so many levels than any staff I have worked with in a state regulated/licensed facility...this is a different level of service than is publicly available...what are you shooting for here, an error free organization.
What is your name?
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These are good questions and I would only hope before you accuse anyone of being unethical you have more answers such as the ones you are asking. What I am saying is that suicide attempts and success occurs in all range of psychiatric facilities, even the most restricted. We are not a hospital. We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues. Of course kids who experience suicidal thoughts talk to staff, staff observe, staff inquire, and we send kids to hospitals if there is a concern that they may be actively suicidal.
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Mr. Think People, what is your name?
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Are you going to sit there and try and honestlee claim that the level of violent incidents is less than the average public school? I'd love to see some stats to back up this claim. Would you care to provide an honest comparison.
In the meantime since you finally stepped up to the plate and answered the questions (as dishonest as they may have been) I've got some more for you:
Why did HLA resist the ongoing investigation from ORS? Namely why was ORS forced to return to campus with a court order? If HLA has nothing to hide why wouldnt they simply allow the investigators the information they were seeking?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
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Are you going to sit there and try and honestlee claim that the level of violent incidents is less than the average public school? I'd love to see some stats to back up this claim. Would you care to provide an honest comparison.
In the meantime since you finally stepped up to the plate and answered the questions (as dishonest as they may have been) I've got some more for you:
Why did HLA resist the ongoing investigation from ORS? Namely why was ORS forced to return to campus with a court order? If HLA has nothing to hide why wouldnt they simply allow the investigators the information they were seeking?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Yes, No, No
End of story!
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This is an amusing thread.
Translates to: I tortured small animals as a child.
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These are good questions and I would only hope before you accuse anyone of being unethical you have more answers such as the ones you are asking. What I am saying is that suicide attempts and success occurs in all range of psychiatric facilities, even the most restricted. We are not a hospital. We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues. Of course kids who experience suicidal thoughts talk to staff, staff observe, staff inquire, and we send kids to hospitals if there is a concern that they may be actively suicidal.
Translates to: HOLY SHIT I AM GOING TO GO TO PRISON! SOMEONE PLEASE SEND ME CONDOMS, SMOKES, LUBE, A FILE, and SOME DECKS OF PLAYING CARDS!
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Im not sure you would love to see some stats on school violence because it would disprove the point you are so passionate about. Go to google and type in school violence statistics. Im not spending my time doing your research.
The reason HLA told them to get lost is because they cannot legally open records for kids who are privately placed without a court order. Its not about cooperation Robert...as much as I know you would like for us to hang ourselves, it would have been an illegal move to let them view confidential files. These laws can also be accessed online or in our constitution.
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Im not sure I would love to see some stats on school violence because it would disprove the point I am so passionate about. Furthermore, I fail to see the irony in comparing public schools to an environment in which the children are presumably better monitored. Im not spending my time thinking.
The reason HLA told them to get lost is because we cannot legally shred and alter records of kids. Its not about cooperation Robert...its about fucking with the evidence, and it would have been a bad move to let them view confidential files before we edited them. The laws we broke will probably get us all cornholed in jail, but naturally we have no respect for civil law, criminal law, or the Constitution.
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I see. So you make a claim and then you want me to prove it for you? Unfortunatlee for you, I'm not doing your homework. You made the claim, you back it up. Until you do common sense and current testimony would seem to suggest that on average HLA has a higher rate of violent incidents than your average public school.
Prove me wrong.
As to the investigation issue, you're correct. It is illegal for anyone outside the school or the student to view those records without a court order (not that that's ever stopped them before when they found it to be convienent). So then my follow up question would be this:
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
There were also two other questions you failed to answer, allow me to repost them.
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Adding to the list:
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
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RC is functioning with a director who meets the requirements...I am extremely confident in Steve at RCI and I know this is the type of guy who advocates for employees and kids alike.
Inconsequential. Even if Steve possesses the required credentials (I'll check later) to fill the Director's position, he can't hold all three positions.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=232477#232477 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=232477#232477)
The reason HLA told them to get lost is because they cannot legally open records for kids who are privately placed without a court order. Its not about cooperation Robert...as much as I know you would like for us to hang ourselves, it would have been an illegal move to let them view confidential files. These laws can also be accessed online or in our constitution.
HLA told them to get lost because they are a private corporation and can do so. Exactly why they need to be licensed. Who told you that ORS wanted to view students files? Pretty sure ORS knows the law and their rights. You simply delayed access and caused them the headache of going through the court.
We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues.
Was this divulged to ORS? That requires a license.
Im not sure you would love to see some stats on school violence because it would disprove the point you are so passionate about. Go to google and type in school violence statistics. Im not spending my time doing your research.
As for violence and suicide in public schools. We have looked at that research here, pretty extensively.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ide#196040 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=196040&highlight=homicide#196040)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 136#196136 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=196136#196136)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 010#196010 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=196010#196010)
About 1 in 1,000,000 homicides/suicides in public schools.
150 some deaths in the industry since 1980. It's only by shear luck that HLA doesn't have any kids on the death list. You, nor I, nor any prospective parent can compare the safety of HLA to public schools because the incidents of violence, attempted suicides, injuries that occur at HLA aren't reported. And won't be until they are licensed. Mute issue.
Why don't we stick to the basic questions pertinent to this thread.
Has RC reported to ORS that their Adm Dir and Program Dir left? What would the state advise RC do in this situation? And whether it's consider rude or not, is Steve mentally competent to hold the position of Director? How severe were his injuries?
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These are good questions and I would only hope before you accuse anyone of being unethical you have more answers such as the ones you are asking. What I am saying is that suicide attempts and success occurs in all range of psychiatric facilities, even the most restricted. We are not a hospital. We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues. Of course kids who experience suicidal thoughts talk to staff, staff observe, staff inquire, and we send kids to hospitals if there is a concern that they may be actively suicidal.
So once and for all a very simple question:
Is HLA a Therapeutic Boarding School or not?
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While loyalty is an admirable quality, at this point you're just putting on blinders and being naive. Something is obviously rotten at the core of the school to have lead to this. You can blame this on us all you want, but in the end you all did this to yourself by your refusal to get over your own pride and arrogance. Open your eyes, aren't you the one who chided us for not being objective?
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Again, the only thing owned outright. I can only imagine where the barcode tat may be located.
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On the underside of the tongue, in semen-proof ink.
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okay...so you think that i don't know what i am talking about and that i am making up stats, etc and leading them to be truths...well, i went to the website to see if the demographics are up there to try to substantiate the iep claim, and well, lo and behold it is not! but i can assure you that while it MAY not be exactly 80%...it is pretty darned close...
also, regarding the school violence...it you look per capita...that would be the amount of violence per students, etc, you would see that it is way above the national average! when you hve 90 students and 4 to 5 acts of violence each week...you are talking large numbers....and you can list them as "horesplay", "boys being boys", hazing, whatever...i know that it is all considered violence...oh, and within the last year i know that there has been AT LEAST 2 acts of violence towards staff where the student WAS NOT dismissed...i am not even sure if they actually went to RCI!! one was to johnny and the other to dan...i think actually, you, Lee, had someone either bow up on you or actually had contact with you violently...but i cannot be certain, and i know you are a stickler to accuracy (that was sarcasm)...
also, whether or no i spell hanibal right the fact is that in the psych report it was spelled correctly...right after that segment that read (and i paraphrase) "...he has thoughts and fantasy's of killing a 2-3 year old child, cooking them and eating them..." look it up! i have seen into those eyes and know that there is no soul! i have see the reports of his cutting up his chest and neck becasue on a break he tried to coax a child into a secluded place to molest them...i have also seen a child go to rci 6 times cause len was his ed consultant and he didn't want to dismiss him...i have seen kids accepted back after being charged with raping his sister so that he could finish high school...at least 2 being sent to rci so that they could fininsh high school and money wouldn't have to be returned who should have been in jail...kids who steal cars and instead of getting arrested, get sent to rci so that it wouldn't hit the papers...
don't try to tell me that i am full of crap...i have read the reports, i have seen the students...and while some of them are really decent kids with simple adolescent problems, they are being roomed with kids who are hardened "criminals"
prove me wrong!
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Deal, Robert E. will never acknowledge or accept your statements. He has been a program devotee for far too long. It's unfortunate because during my time I always felt he was a stand up guy. You have to remember this is the same school that claims there has NEVER been a suicide attempt on school property, ignoring the blatent attempt made by the girl who hung herself they forcefully claim any student "cutting" is never trying to kill themselves, no matter the location or the severity.
Some people are so indoctrinated there's just no reaching them anymore.
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5 minutes today. Couple of things...hey watch everyone, im about to perform an amazing trick....ready....i have a fantasy flying to canada and finding a turtle and drop-kicking it into an icehole while I write a novel about idiots who have no clinical knowledge and have no training with which to interpret things kids say while I watch the turtle fly into the icehole...wow did you see that....I just said something for effect...with the clear intent of making a point or accomplishing a goal...wow...when you fantasize about being intelligent and happy does it actually happen...hmmm. Your foolish and anyone who believes you is too. Im not inclined to prove you wrong because you have not proven yourself right. You are too far gone to convince and unethical enough to expose someones private thoughts if in fact that is even from the report... I pray for you, honestly. I hope you find a way out of whatever you are in right now.
80%...im laughing my ass off... I gave you the number and that is the number...
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Anything you say General. If you decide to take a break from writting new stories there are still some questions for you.
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Thats so funny Robert that you have nothing to say to the last arguement... you rarely.....notice i didn't say never...acknowledge the truth... boring worthless shit you mention... don't care...don't care...forget that i just made a valid point...blah blah blah... Robert... honestly... do you see the brilliance...is it shining in your eye? Why are you bothering me with this shit....cross utilizing..its all legal...guess what robert...i went over fucking 55 miles per hour today..omg...its insANE...please give me something to work with here...banal banal vapid vapid... how are u helping kids now....u trying to get something on record here....who cares...forget that Im right about everything I say...no don't acknowledge... i see something better in you so I will not comment that nothing can change your mind...but honesty...give me number...how many points or false claims do I need to refutet before you say...ok well..maybe your not the devil...show a brief moment of validity here robert....
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Post, then drink!
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You haven't actually proven any points wrong, or refuted anything. You're just being emphatic about things and offering nonsensical babelings and hoping that's enough to make up for all your short comings and distract parents from the truth.
Because I liked you while incarcertated I'll save you some time. It's not.
Now be a good lap dog and get to it.
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Milk...you just made sense...IM backing you up here...this guy with the weird name just said more thanh dealornod though about in a year....lets all have a social
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I guess the stories about what you put in your OJ were true.
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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incarcertated....im not sure what this word means but im guessing its because you think you know who you are dealing with here... You don't. Dodge,evade...repeat... Robert...Im not Lee....wouldn't that be a good match for you....you are done...give me a number...of your stupid points...give your readers a number...and I will blast your feeble ass every time I choose to bother myself with responding.... Why don't we set up a meeting Robert? Why don't you come to campus...unannounced...randomly....say your Robert and I will meet you at the front door. Then I will show you how off you are...challenge...done...
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Sigh.
You keep going on and on about shooting down all my points yet you seem to have trouble answering any questions. Is this because you're afraid of the truth or you're just too stupid?
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Robert, asking the same questions over and over again just makes you look silly. He's not going to answer them, especially not now when he's drunk.
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I know, but I think it illustrates what a cowardly weakling this drunk asshole is.
Get to it lapdog.
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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the problem, think people, is that he is not wrong, not on many of the points...whereas you seem to think that being "smart" and evading will make the point seem less real or valid...the point of this thread is that the kids are not safe...they may or may not have ever been, but now more than ever they are not safe...
this point is NOT disputable...and regardless of my spelling or lack there of, kids are being and have been accepted that SHOULD HAVE NEVER been there...
that is the point...and that is indisputable...
think think think...you are blind...and as the song goes...i WAS blind BUT NOW I SEE...i guess it takes getting out to make you actually see...see how narcocistic (sp) the little general is...he DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU OR THE KIDS...
he only cares that he isn't to blame for any of this and when the ship completely sinks, which it will, he will blame all of the staff that jumped...that they didn't support his vision...again and always not seeing his fault in any of this...well lenny boy, you may want to look next to you to find out who the mole(s) are...cause there is more than one...and you may be sleeping next to the biggest...
hmmm.
imagine that...
why on earth would HE want to see you destroyed...maybe you have had one to many side attractions and treated him to much like crap...sorta like you do to all of your employees...i am just sorry that Mark didn't knock the crap out of you when he left...that would have been poetic!
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Cowardly, weakling, drunk....this is such an objective source of information...class act. You don't even know me and in one day I have been ridiculed beyond belief. What a terrific way to look at a program...hey parents....lets use this site as a source of info to make decisions. I have tried to respond to your concerns...really your not concerned...so obvious....I trust you guys so much when it comes to evaluating things...gosh maybe you should be on american idol. This is perhaps the best use of your fantastic skills of critique...hey robert...why don't you send your set of bullshit questions again...why did len do blah blah...like I was fucking there....why don't you ask len you pantywaste coward...why don't you dial the fucking number and ask him...
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TS...I like your style. So I don't have answers??? I think you need to review this post again....this is a joke...hey...heres a clue guys...acknowledge...just like I do...then ask...seriously I do need to know how you get that cool pic in the mix...im not kidding...i dig....
All of you approach this in the same way.... question...ridicule my answer....look for some possible personal attack...then dismiss without giving credit where it is due...maybe you are all the same person. Seriously...come back in a few years when you have been to college or something... Make this difficult for me....
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Like tying-your-shoes difficult?
Come back to this thread in a year when the last dust of HLA is blown away in the wind, read your own posts, and feel ashamed.
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It is difficult for you, that's why you cannot answer any of the questions put to you.
acknowledge...just like I do
acknowledge what? You're an idiot.
All of you approach this in the same way.... question...ridicule my answer....look for some possible personal attack...
You began your posting by calling us all retarded losers who were full of shit. Don't cry now when we treat you in the same manner. Remember outside HLA you have no authority and are shown to be weak and impotent. You cannot employ double standards here.
then dismiss without giving credit where it is due
give credit for what? You've proven nothing. You've babeled on and on about nothing for pages. Again, being right, and being emphatic about a point are two very different things. You would do well to learn that.
come back in a few years when you have been to college or something
As I recall you never quite made it past junior college. You've also been demoted several pegs in the past few years. Not quite the same job it used to be now is it?
Make this difficult for me....
As you wish......
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Mike...I think you are under the impression that your gargling opinion means something. Your posts are useless dribble...your kung fu is weak...
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and you are under the impression that the word 'Milk' somehow reads as 'Mike"
I can see you now in your tiny little apartment behind the gym, "Now kids, don't forget to leave some Mike and Cookies for Santa this year, otherwise he won't leave you any presents. Of course I didn't get you any either, but God knows I can't with all the pay cuts and inability to cash my paychecks. God I love my job. Honey make me another screw driver will ya?"
Until Santa arrives however.....
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Robert, you have no concept of who you are up against..,keep spilling your scat though...ask me those questions again...its funny...Im a little douche bag short and stout....here are my questions here is my spout!
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Mike = Milk...This is such an important distinction...
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I'm up against a drunken weakling who's too afraid to answer a couple of questions. Your name is inconsequential, but we seem to have nailed it. You seem to forget your beloved kingdom is filled with moles.
...ask me those questions again...its funny
You're right, your refusal to answer the questions and your behavior only highlights more and more for parents exactly the kind of staff they are being asked to entrust their children with. While sad and disgusting, in a morbid way it is funny.
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Wait a minute. This can't actually be Len Buccellato. Can it?
Oh my fucking god, is this how the man actually expresses himself on the Internet?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D :lol: :rofl:
Do you have any idea who you're up against? Your ass is completely crushed. We here on Fornits have reached into your sorry little fiefdom of a "school" and ripped its spine out. Your entire edifice has been eviscerated. There isn't even enough money in the bank for the employees to cash their paychecks. By even the most rudimentary of measures, you are well and truly fucked. There is no hope for you. You will not be coming back, in any form. Even if you somehow do reappear, you'll just get your ass handed to you again in another humiliating defeat.
Don't you programmies understand this yet, that you can't treat kids the way you do without getting owned for it? Has this fundamental fact of life not reached your tiny little minds?
Go on, retreat into denial again. This is actually getting good. Homosexual sex, bankruptcy, scandal, and serious mental illness. We ought to make a movie out of this shit, and unlike all the other program-related movies it can be a real comedy.
Popcorn anyone?
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Your right Robert... all the parents are up in arms about cross utilization and Lens admonisions...this kind of shit is so important to the health of our kids ....we field questions every day about your very pertinent questions...strip search policy...what is the strip search policy Robert? Tell me how awful it is to search a kid when they return from break and then critique us when they get some pill on campus...Im not sure what the policy is and how its communicated....why don't you just call admissions and ask...pretend you you are a parent you dipshit....Truth is that if anyone answers your question you then respond with the answer. So what are the answers to your questions then...you already knew my response to why we wouldn't let ORS look at files...and I was right...so what then is your motivation for asking? Why don't you just post the answers?
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Milk = Mike, your lovely thoughts and discriminatory hate speech is so well recieved I am sure... I hope you keep helping my cause by discrediting anyone else who is on your side...please keep posting....
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discriminatory hate speech
How's that mangina treating you, Len? Get any fresh sausage lately? :lol:
discrediting anyone else who is on your side
Every time some programmie tells me that I'm doing that, my side gets all the stronger. Funny how that works.
Well? You've got to have more, man. Come on! Forget Robert's repeated posting of questions that you obviously either can't or won't answer. What do you really think of Fornits?
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As feeble as it was, I can tell you at least tried to give a real response that time. So let me in kind respond to your comments.
Your right Robert... all the parents are up in arms about cross utilization and Lens admonisions...this kind of shit is so important to the health of our kids
You don't believe having one person carry three times the work load presents a safety concern? How can they effectively do their job when they are already overworked and underpaid? As to Len's admonishments I asked you first if they occured, and then what the justification was for them? Why would Len berate an employee for allowing state represenatives onto campus to view confidential material when they already had a court order?
....we field questions every day about your very pertinent questions.
If that was true it would seem that you could answer them a little better.
strip search policy...what is the strip search policy Robert? Tell me how awful it is to search a kid when they return from break and then critique us when they get some pill on campus...Im not sure what the policy is and how its communicated....why don't you just call admissions and ask...pretend you you are a parent you dipshit....
Weren't you just crying about us using 'personal attacks'? To answer your questions, I do not know what the current policy is regarding strip searches, I know they did it when I was a student there and prior to my arrival. I know students who have left there as recently as a few months ago claim that it still goes on. As to whether or not it is "that awful" is debatable. What I can say is a cause for concern is that HLA has apparently not been forthright in this policy with parents. Can you justify this?
Truth is that if anyone answers your question you then respond with the answer. So what are the answers to your questions then...you already knew my response to why we wouldn't let ORS look at files...and I was right...so what then is your motivation for asking? Why don't you just post the answers?
You assume too much. I don't know all the answers to the questions I posted. I have an idea regarding some of them, but these are by no means always accurate. Hence why I asked them, I'm interested in getting an HLA staffers perspective on some of these issues. What's too bad is that you're apparently not authorized to answer a few questions, or I was correct in my original assesment in that you're just too weak and stupid.
So basically were right back where we were before.
Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?
If so what was the justification?
Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?
Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?
Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
Does HLA report any violent incidents to the proper authorities?
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Authorized...do you think im calling someone to see if I can post? I don't know the answers to some of your questions... let me take some guesses..
Len is a psychologist whose code of ethics (APA) is generally at a much higher standard than state law...pure speculation here becuase I don't know if what your saying is correct but I would imagine he would protect regardless of the court order... your a freak... I don't know the stupid strip search policy ok asswipe....im not sure about the other stuff...why don't you just call and ask? Your assumptions are incorrect, over and over again.
Call the school about the nurse/staff issue? ..what does court ordered mean? Does that mean remanded to HLA or does that mean they have been in court before or does it mean that they are actually guilty of something...be more specific...court ordered...it sounds all dramatic though Robert...I will give you that...i don't know the police procedures...
we are nothing like a state facility and we rightly represent ourselves that way...how we represent ourselves to the state...where do I find this answer robert? Why don't you ask the state? I have never been called upon to give pr statements to the state...ive never been asked to launch a pr campaign with the state....How do we represent ourselves to the state...this is so important for the kids...lets ponder for a long time over this bs issue...
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Again you at least try, so I will respond in kind.
Authorized...do you think im calling someone to see if I can post?
Something along those lines yes. We know for a fact that Len monitors this site daily. We also know that he asked the staff to start posting here. So you posting what you've been told to say or what you're allowed to say makes sense.
Len is a psychologist whose code of ethics (APA) is generally at a much higher standard than state law
Perhaps, but does he follow that code of ethics?
pure speculation here becuase I don't know if what your saying is correct but I would imagine he would protect regardless of the court order
Protect what? Protect records? Protect the students from being interviewed? Are the state agents seeking to harm them or use the information in a maliscious manner?
your a freak... I don't know the stupid strip search policy ok asswipe.
But you just asked in a previous post if a strip search was "so awful"? You claimed if the school didnt do it people would complain about the presence of drugs on campus? Sooo which is it? Do you know about the policy or not?
im not sure about the other stuff...why don't you just call and ask? Your assumptions are incorrect, over and over again.
Wait. you're claiming you don't know the answers to my questions, but you know that my assumptions are incorrect? If you dont know than how can you know I'm wrong? Further which assumptions specifically are you speaking of?
Call the school about the nurse/staff issue? ..
Why would the school tell me? I'm not a parent or a state represenative. Besides I have an opportunity to get it straight from the horses mouth right here. You're on campus day in and day out. Do they or do they not have a nurse?
what does court ordered mean? Does that mean remanded to HLA or does that mean they have been in court before or does it mean that they are actually guilty of something...be more specific...court ordered...it sounds all dramatic though Robert...I will give you that...i don't know the police procedures...
Seeing how HLA staffers have a history of mincing words and manipulating, why don't you tell me what HLA believes the definition of court ordered means?
we are nothing like a state facility and we rightly represent ourselves that way...how we represent ourselves to the state...where do I find this answer robert? Why don't you ask the state? I have never been called upon to give pr statements to the state...ive never been asked to launch a pr campaign with the state....
Fair enough. Let me ask you this then, is HLA a traditional boarding school or a theraputic boarding school? In your opinion as an HLA employee. One or the other. Oh and for the record I have asked the state, I know exactly what HLA claims to the state level to be, I guess I just confused because they advertise as something entirely different.
How do we represent ourselves to the state...this is so important for the kids...lets ponder for a long time over this bs issue...
Well actually it is. Are you unaware of the state regs for theraputic boarding schools? If HLA were to abide by them it would make it a very different place. Let me know if you havent seen those.
So we're left with a new set then....
Does HLA have a school nurse?
Is HLA in your opinion a traditional boarding school or a theraputic boarding school?
Why do they claim to be one, yet advertise as another?
Has HLA been forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
What is the HLA definition of "court ordered"?
Are violent incidents at HLA reported to the proper authorities?
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I would imagine he would protect regardless of the court order...
Protect documents regardless of what a court tells him to do?
Oooooh. I don't think you ought to have posted that one.
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I have been upfront about not being omniscient... I have answered all I know for sure. Im not ragging you for everything and you are not giving me credit for anything are you Robert...When I feel like going back i will name every assumption you have had wrong on this thread...there are too many right now. You never are satisfied...its late.
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No you haven't. You hoped you could bait me into something with the goal of burying the pertinant information on this thread. You came on here with a barage of personal attacks and then cried about it when we turned it around on you. You refused to answer the questions for several hours and only finally made a half assed attempt to do so because your brain limited though it may be finally realized there was no getting around it if you wanted to continue to post.
I will be satisfied when you start being honest. Until then............
Does HLA have a school nurse?
Is HLA in your opinion a traditional boarding school or a theraputic boarding school?
Why do they claim to be one, yet advertise as another?
Has HLA been forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
What is the HLA definition of "court ordered"?
Are violent incidents at HLA reported to the proper authorities?
Is HLA cross utilizing staff?
Is this legal?
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TS, my understanding while incarcerated there was that they did occur depending on either the student or the staff, but they were not routine.
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Strip searches are apparently a routine practice. My last post was in regards to cavity searches.
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Not sure. Like I said though during my time at least it wasn't a standard practice. You heard stories about it occuring every once and awhile but not a regular thing by any means. I don't know what the case is regarding it now.
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regarding body cavity searches...they do the old squat and turn on the females...i know that they do a cup and flip on the guys (male students cup their testicles and pull them up so they can be checked for stuff underneath...although several items have come in that way since the guys have been really smart about the cupping!
and for the nurse...from what i hear...theresa allen is SUPPOSED to be coming back soon...but who knows...up to this point i don't think that they have a nurse on staff...
but i could be wrong...
lee, you gonna correct me...??
oh, and i guess danielle is gone from RCI now too...
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Well I judging by how well she was treated the last time, she should be thrilled to come back.
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Indeed.. Still another avenue of investigation. Common practice of not.. It still is not something that happens at a "traditional boarding school".
Well maybe an all male catholic boarding school.
Translates to: Why couldn't my parents have sent me to a all boys boarding school? All this talk about assholes is getting me horny again.
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Come on back Lee, there's still a ton of questions you've been unable to answer.
Does HLA have a school nurse?
Is HLA in your opinion a traditional boarding school or a theraputic boarding school?
Why do they claim to be one, yet advertise as another?
Has HLA been forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?
What is the HLA definition of "court ordered"?
Are violent incidents at HLA reported to the proper authorities?
Is HLA cross utilizing staff?
Is this legal?
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Mike...I think you are under the impression that your gargling opinion means something. Your posts are useless dribble...your kung fu is weak...
OK, here's what's funny. I've been perusing this thread for the last few pages. I think it's amusing as hell that this guy is standing up here fighting tooth-and-nail over HLA, even though he'll be out of work most likely in 90 days or less.
Get over it, fella. Get you resume together. Your Job-Fu is weak. This is bigger than and far beyond you.
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90 days or less
Oh come on DJ. It's not going to last anywhere near that long. It's already at the can't-cash-paychecks point. How much longer can this financially continue?
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just looked at the staff section of the HLA site...gee, i counted 16 that need to come off...and there are AT LEAST 3 others that will be coming off...
looks like that is gonna be a mighty short list...
notice that they removed the housekeepers but still have the night watch on it...can we say "MAN-IP-U-LAT-ION"
len, "okay kathleen, take off some, but leave on enough that it will LOOK like we have some campus safety"
kathleen "no problem len, whatever you wish, sire..." {turns around and stabs him in the back}
hmpf...gonna be an interesting holiday...and remember kids...don't cash those checks until you absolutely need to...and while you are struggling on your 10% deduction and lack of pay check funds...i (len) will be having my annual christmas party in my extreemly goach (sp? but you get the point) buckhead condo...!
another glass of wine please...
oh and as for lee...i am sure that he got the whoa on the fornits speak...i am sure he got chided for his inadequacy in being able to hold everyone off...
and yes, my spelling is not great, but my values are!
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He has been really quiet today. Perhaps the batteries in his bark collar were replaced?
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Or maybe he just ran out of vodka.
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He has been really quiet today. Perhaps the batteries in his bark collar were replaced?
:rofl:
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just looked at the staff section of the HLA site...gee, i counted 16 that need to come off...and there are AT LEAST 3 others that will be coming off...
looks like that is gonna be a mighty short list...
notice that they removed the housekeepers but still have the night watch on it...can we say "MAN-IP-U-LAT-ION"
len, "okay kathleen, take off some, but leave on enough that it will LOOK like we have some campus safety"
kathleen "no problem len, whatever you wish, sire..." {turns around and stabs him in the back}
hmpf...gonna be an interesting holiday...and remember kids...don't cash those checks until you absolutely need to...and while you are struggling on your 10% deduction and lack of pay check funds...i (len) will be having my annual christmas party in my extreemly goach (sp? but you get the point) buckhead condo...!
another glass of wine please...
oh and as for lee...i am sure that he got the whoa on the fornits speak...i am sure he got chided for his inadequacy in being able to hold everyone off...
and yes, my spelling is not great, but my values are!
"Let them eat cake."
Real nice, Len. Yeah, your priorities are correct,,, :roll:
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Just more sand in the wound...
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Paychecks stilll bouncing!!!!
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What a wonderful way to tell your employees to have a wonderful Christmas with your families. That's gonna go over real well for morale. Maybe they can keep this place open with interrns and volunteers otherwise I can see this place closing up in lets say 90 days? Now the question has got to be, where did all that money go?
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Paychecks stilll bouncing!!!!
Drafting payroll checks with the knowledge that there are insufficient funds available is, I believe, actually a federal offense.
I'd recommend that if your paycheck bounced from HLA to report it to the GA dept of Labor straight away so they can give you guidance on how to report it to the feds or how to recoup the funds.
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What a wonderful way to tell your employees to have a wonderful Christmas with your families. That's gonna go over real well for morale. Maybe they can keep this place open with interrns and volunteers otherwise I can see this place closing up in lets say 90 days? Now the question has got to be, where did all that money go?
It went to the Chapel Fund idiot! The kids need it.
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DJ's not kidding. Bouncing paychecks is seriously illegal. GA Department of Labor indeed. US Department of Labor, Wage & Hour division as well.
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It just figures...
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as a response to everything "lee" is saying..why dont we call and ask the nurse, len, etc. these questions ourselves? come on, are you serious? as a GRADUATED student of HLA we all know that calling anyone at hla only gets u a bigger pack of lies. everything is sugar coated...and that is something i and my family have experienced first hand. fact...not assumption. stop arguing like three year olds back and forth and "lee" why don't you actually own up to the fact that that school has sooo many problems. i graduatated because i needed credits to go to college and my parents could not afford to lose the last months payment not because i supported the school....because we did not have a choice. and if this is actually lee talking don't even pretend u understand what us "kids" were going through...u were too busy yelling at us to ever take the time to listen to what we were actually going through. the staff needs to change just as much as the kids...look in the mirror lee and stop swearing on a fornits page acting like you're a child. you are acting exactly as i remembered you at hla...
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Rumor has it that PG90 has formed after 3 months with 4 kids.
Will they make it to 100?
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I posted this as my topic "to any parents of HLA students...." earlier this afternoon and no ones replying. This topic looks based on the same basic premise, (although all the personal attacks seem to be a very long digression from it), so I'm reposting it below just in case any parents of these kids make it this far. And isn't the point here to do just that? Enlighten anyone looking into HLA as to the true nature of the beast? Can't these personal back-and-forths take place over instant messages or email? Because seriously, no one is going to take the opinion of ANYONE posting on this site with any less than a handful of salt unless mature dialouge is the rule and not the exception. All of you who are squabbling have already taken your stances and made sure that your strong opinions are known by all. But if this isn't just an open forum for personal grudgematches, than may I humbly suggest (this is your site, I'm just an outspoken visitor) that you keep it objective and unnoffensive to the middle aged moms whose opinion you may have a chance of changing.
I'm a deceptively young looking chick with a mouth like... oh lets go with George Carlin, but when I'm tring to be persuasive I know that a little courtreous cencorship goes a long way.
Anyway, heres my post reposted. I hope someone gets SOMETHING from it.:
This issue is obviously more than a two-sided coin.
I have no personal vested interest other than empathy and concern, and as about as objective as a former student can be.
Did I gain anything from my year at HLA?
Absolutley. What didn't kill me made me stronger.
However I survived by flying under the radar.
I watched my friends' spirits broken all too frequently, in one case my friend was a victim of rape and incest from a young age. She was forced to re-live these experiences in front of our peer group at a time when we were all strangers to her, and I will never forget the way that our counselors jeered her, asking "how dirty she felt" and "wasn't she a whore" "didn't she bring it on herself?".
I understand that they didn't mean their remarks and said them in an attempt to break her down so they could "rebuild her", but I was 14 at the time. I was traumatized by having to witness her being broken and I can NOT imagine how she must have felt. But a part of her died,and not the "opposistionally defiant" part. She then began acting out sexually with fellow sudents. I feel like I watched the last surviving innocence she had be smothered before me and it truly haunts me to this day.
Success at HLA is dependent on sooo many variables. The reason for being there and its valididty ( I ran away from a dangerous homelife... for three days.) and the personal relationship the student has with his or her counselors are only 2 such factors.
My parents sent me there, as so many other parents have alleged, "to save my life." I was a well behaved student, but I wasn't pulled for a year of good ( relatively) behavior. My parents pulled me because they accidently were alerted to the fact that they were being manipulated and conned after one very high-up staff member referred to HLA as a source of punishment for kids, not therapy or rehabilitation. I'm sure they would be more than willing to talk to any parents. I'm not sure whether they would recommend HLA or not. You'll most likely hear that it was wrong for me, but maybe helpful for some.
I left HLA about 7 years ago, and it is STILL a huge source of tension and anger in my home, but for reasons that you might not be able to forsee.
My education has suffered.
I was scouted by Harvard after starting university at 16, but my parents spent my entire college savings on HLA, and even with help, Ivy Leauge isn't exactly cheap.
My father resents me for being what I feel he sees me as... a bad investment.
I resent him for wasting my college fund to finance the most traumatic year of my life.
He resents me because I developed post-traumatic stress disorders, panic disorder with agorophopia, generalized anxiety disorder, and recurrent major depressive episodes and my treatment just costs him more money.
And, for the record, all of the above disorders have been diagnosed by multiple psychiatrists, and ALL of them attribute them to my experiences with HLA. I never had a panic attack before HLA, and if you've ever had one then you KNOW they're no joke.
I guess my point here is that sending or keeping your child at HLA or any other facility is a decision that may have positive and probably equally negative consequences for your family.
DO NOT TRUST EDUCATIONAL CONSULTANTS, PLEASE.
Talk to as many child psychologists as you can. They won't recommend a program unless your child really needs one.
As bad as it might seem, "oppostitional defiance disorder" doesn't exist. It is in no DSM ever published and its definition is a vague general description of typical teenage rebellion.
Don't punish your kids for their hormones.
Once you've sent your child "away" do not rely on the program's staff for updates on his or her progress. You have to do a lot of detective work and constantly re-evaluate the nessecity of keeping your child in a program, no matter how structured it sounds, no matter how important graduation from the program is touted as being.
If you're not prepared to weigh your child's descriptions of HLA at least equally as you would trust the description given to you by the staff, then you aren't responsible enough to ensure your child's safety while in HLA's care.
And finally, please learn from my family's mistakes. If you want to ensure a successful future for your teen you can't spend your savings for their college education. Consult 20 random psychologists and psychiatrists before sending your child to HLA, and perhaps most importantly, allow your child to see at least one non-program associated psychologist on EVERY visit, no matter what, and take their opinion on HLA with the upmost seriousness.
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The previous post has a lot of good advice in it.
If parents actually did this, HLA would already have been shuttered.
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Rumor has it that PG90 has formed after 3 months with 4 kids.
Will they make it to 100?
Not a rumor. Confirmed by HLA staff last week. I believe it was 5 kids though. Still, with the previous norm being 14-18, this is a BIG change, and also indicitive of the schools ongoing problems.
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Mean while the Buch continues to play his fiddle.
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Can someone explain the exact financial math that lets this place still be open?
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Someone gets it in the ass, then len gets money.
That is exactly how it works ::puke::
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Can someone explain the exact financial math that lets this place still be open?
Right now they're riding a bubble of cash from prepaid tuiton. It won't last long and only delays the inevetable. Not to mention that the parents will demand a total refund of prepaid tuition pretty soon, but the money will already be spent.
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actually, that bundle of cash from the prepaid tuition was spent on the mosaleum (sp!!)...it is ALL gone...and so is the chapel fund and any other bread and butter money that they would have had to cover monthly bills...they are riding on whatever they get in each month which is less than 400,000...and with all the expenses...not including salaries...that doens't even BEGIN to cover it...
they ask each and every day what the deposit is and how quickly they can get it in the bank to try to cover some of the checks that are written...they max out the credit cards by paying off whatever they can with them...
so smart business would say that when someone pays up front they put that money in a fund that they would draw from each month for tuition and that if the student were withdrawn they would easily be able to draw from for the refund...WELL they aren't smart and like i said before he spent every penny of it on the "new" building...every week, when the construction company would come in they would have to cut another 100,000 check and that was for MONTHS!!!
he just stressed it every week!!! it was almost funny if it wern't so very very sad!!!
THAT IS WHY NO ONE IS ABLE TO GET REFUNDS RIGHT NOW!!
cause he just wasn't smart...and he can't blame that on Bill Gray which i know drives him nuts...but in the end...none of this is Len's fault...he is perfection (in his eyes)
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Not a damn thing wrong with HLA. I'd send my kid there again! ::fuckoff::
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Let us know how that nursing home works out, k?
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You sick son of a bitch!!!!! :flame:
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Actually...
Not to mention that the parents will demand a total refund of prepaid tuition pretty soon, but the money will already be spent.
Isn't this fraud and breach of contract?
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Such a thing does not exist so far as the Buch and JoJo are concerned.
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Jojo blew me once. It was in Tahiti. She had jaws that just wouldn't quit.. what a ride! :o :lol:
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I'm really curious how they can keep going. Exactly how much debt are they in? If 400,000 dollars a month (that is a lot of fucking money!) isn't enough to cover expenses, what are those expenses, and what happens when they aren't covered? What about Q&Q? Surely their legal team has a problem with not getting paid! (Or does Q&Q get paid first, with everyone else coming second?)
I'm also curious where civil liability for non-payment ends, and actual financial crimes (theft of services, for example) begin.
I'm just imagining Len Buccellato, walking down a beach as people throw more and more lengths of heavy chain on him, valiantly struggling along to continue. "Must... abuse... children!"
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Jojo blew me once. It was in Tahiti. She had jaws that just wouldn't quit.. what a ride! :o :lol:
I thought you agreed to keep quiet about that.?
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Actually...
Not to mention that the parents will demand a total refund of prepaid tuition pretty soon, but the money will already be spent.
Isn't this fraud and breach of contract?
Excellent point, Smithers!
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ahh, milk, to normal human beings 400,000 IS a lot of money, but when you figure:
salaries (even with the 10% cut)
amicalola electric
bc/bs insurance (if they are still offering that!!)
food services
Q & Q which, yes, makes sure that they get paid first
accountant
payroll services
CREDIT CARDS
loans (over 1 million from united comm bank alone within the last few months...which by the way, they did NOT disclose that there was a lawsuit which they knew about AT the closing!!)
vehicles
propane
gas
trips (which are at a minium)
taxes
computer support
etc...
that is WELL over 400,000 per month...
plus bucchis own expenses...which he pulls out of the school (good thing his jags are paid for!)
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accountant
Sisyphus.
loans (over 1 million from united comm bank alone within the last few months...which by the way, they did NOT disclose that there was a lawsuit which they knew about AT the closing!!)
Oooh, failure to disclose liabilities? Does UCB yet know about this? Wouldn't it be a shame if someone like you called the branch manager and informed them of this? Legally they can immediately demand full repayment in this kind of situation, at the least.
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they know...it hit the papers and they got an arse chewing...i think buch "straightened" it out (no pun intended)....
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I posted this as my topic "to any parents of HLA students...." earlier this afternoon and no ones replying. This topic looks based on the same basic premise, (although all the personal attacks seem to be a very long digression from it), so I'm reposting it below just in case any parents of these kids make it this far. And isn't the point here to do just that? Enlighten anyone looking into HLA as to the true nature of the beast? Can't these personal back-and-forths take place over instant messages or email? Because seriously, no one is going to take the opinion of ANYONE posting on this site with any less than a handful of salt unless mature dialouge is the rule and not the exception. All of you who are squabbling have already taken your stances and made sure that your strong opinions are known by all. But if this isn't just an open forum for personal grudgematches, than may I humbly suggest (this is your site, I'm just an outspoken visitor) that you keep it objective and unnoffensive to the middle aged moms whose opinion you may have a chance of changing.
I'm a deceptively young looking chick with a mouth like... oh lets go with George Carlin, but when I'm tring to be persuasive I know that a little courtreous cencorship goes a long way.
Anyway, heres my post reposted. I hope someone gets SOMETHING from it.:
This issue is obviously more than a two-sided coin.
I have no personal vested interest other than empathy and concern, and as about as objective as a former student can be.
Did I gain anything from my year at HLA?
Absolutley. What didn't kill me made me stronger.
However I survived by flying under the radar.
I watched my friends' spirits broken all too frequently, in one case my friend was a victim of rape and incest from a young age. She was forced to re-live these experiences in front of our peer group at a time when we were all strangers to her, and I will never forget the way that our counselors jeered her, asking "how dirty she felt" and "wasn't she a whore" "didn't she bring it on herself?".
I understand that they didn't mean their remarks and said them in an attempt to break her down so they could "rebuild her", but I was 14 at the time. I was traumatized by having to witness her being broken and I can NOT imagine how she must have felt. But a part of her died,and not the "opposistionally defiant" part. She then began acting out sexually with fellow sudents. I feel like I watched the last surviving innocence she had be smothered before me and it truly haunts me to this day.
Success at HLA is dependent on sooo many variables. The reason for being there and its valididty ( I ran away from a dangerous homelife... for three days.) and the personal relationship the student has with his or her counselors are only 2 such factors.
My parents sent me there, as so many other parents have alleged, "to save my life." I was a well behaved student, but I wasn't pulled for a year of good ( relatively) behavior. My parents pulled me because they accidently were alerted to the fact that they were being manipulated and conned after one very high-up staff member referred to HLA as a source of punishment for kids, not therapy or rehabilitation. I'm sure they would be more than willing to talk to any parents. I'm not sure whether they would recommend HLA or not. You'll most likely hear that it was wrong for me, but maybe helpful for some.
I left HLA about 7 years ago, and it is STILL a huge source of tension and anger in my home, but for reasons that you might not be able to forsee.
My education has suffered.
I was scouted by Harvard after starting university at 16, but my parents spent my entire college savings on HLA, and even with help, Ivy Leauge isn't exactly cheap.
My father resents me for being what I feel he sees me as... a bad investment.
I resent him for wasting my college fund to finance the most traumatic year of my life.
He resents me because I developed post-traumatic stress disorders, panic disorder with agorophopia, generalized anxiety disorder, and recurrent major depressive episodes and my treatment just costs him more money.
And, for the record, all of the above disorders have been diagnosed by multiple psychiatrists, and ALL of them attribute them to my experiences with HLA. I never had a panic attack before HLA, and if you've ever had one then you KNOW they're no joke.
I guess my point here is that sending or keeping your child at HLA or any other facility is a decision that may have positive and probably equally negative consequences for your family.
DO NOT TRUST EDUCATIONAL CONSULTANTS, PLEASE.
Talk to as many child psychologists as you can. They won't recommend a program unless your child really needs one.
As bad as it might seem, "oppostitional defiance disorder" doesn't exist. It is in no DSM ever published and its definition is a vague general description of typical teenage rebellion.
Don't punish your kids for their hormones.
Once you've sent your child "away" do not rely on the program's staff for updates on his or her progress. You have to do a lot of detective work and constantly re-evaluate the nessecity of keeping your child in a program, no matter how structured it sounds, no matter how important graduation from the program is touted as being.
If you're not prepared to weigh your child's descriptions of HLA at least equally as you would trust the description given to you by the staff, then you aren't responsible enough to ensure your child's safety while in HLA's care.
And finally, please learn from my family's mistakes. If you want to ensure a successful future for your teen you can't spend your savings for their college education. Consult 20 random psychologists and psychiatrists before sending your child to HLA, and perhaps most importantly, allow your child to see at least one non-program associated psychologist on EVERY visit, no matter what, and take their opinion on HLA with the upmost seriousness.
This is one of the most intelligent post I've seen here, I hope you register and become a fornites regular... Good luck with the healing process
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It is a fine post, but this sentence is not true...
"As bad as it might seem, "oppostitional defiance disorder" doesn't exist. It is in no DSM ever published and its definition is a vague general description of typical teenage rebellion."
It is in the DSM IV. Diagnostic code 313.81. Pages 91-94 give a discription of the diagnosis.
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In a clinical setting, typical treatment begins with a careful assessment. Assessment requires that a professional therapist, first of all, take a psychological history and develop a family genogram. That?s a sort of picture of the family, like a family tree, that helps put relationships and resources into perspective. Afterward, the therapist asks questions and listens to the parent and child describe what is going on with the child. This is known as the presenting problem. Experienced therapists will be interested in exceptions to the problem, or times when the child is not defiant, and why that may be. There will also be questions about parenting style, starting back when the child was a baby, as well as school, typical family schedules and routines, and ways that conflict is managed. The clinician will try to rule out another mental illness first, in order to focus the right amount of energy and direction on treating the defiance. Other questions will help to fill in the background necessary to get started. This initial assessment might take about 30 minutes, but is often longer.
The next step is to lay out a treatment plan. This might take a couple of sessions. There are several effective and research-proven ways to treat defiance, but the most effective and research-driven technique is a combination of Parent Management Training and an individualized Behavioral Modification Plan. Although each family is treated uniquely, there are certain qualities to this approach that are the same. With Parent Management Training, most of the energy and work with the therapist is directed at the parents, emphasizing new ways to manage the child. The Behavioral Modification Plan will outline rules of the home and society. It will also include rewards the child can earn for following the rules, and consequences associated with breaking the rules. In those consequences, there will be specific steps to follow to make sure the child is held accountable, learns from mistakes, and is ultimately successful.
Eventually, there will be progress, until the child understands that following the rules is a necessary part of life. Although it is possible to complete this treatment program alone, success is almost always more likely with the help and close support of a professional clinician experienced in the use of Parent Management Training and behavioral modification. Typical treatment of moderate to severe defiance requires four to five months. Several visits are usually necessary to get background and rule out other concerns, explain the process, answer questions, and get ready. At least one visit is necessary to develop and practice the Behavioral Modification Plan. The intensive treatment that follows usually involves two or three weeks in itself. The ?maintenance phase? afterward can last from a month or two to six months, although most families are very happy with the results within six weeks, and termination, the final phase, is just one visit.
[edit] Criticism
Some critics have taken the view that, in at least some cases, a person diagnosed with ODD may simply be in conflict with their parents or other people in authority.
For example New Jersey teenager Alex Asch was diagnosed with ODD and held against his will at a juvenile rehabilitation program. [Turnabout Stillwater, Utah] This was the culmination of an ongoing conflict with his parents, which Alex's supporters characterised as being because "Alex's parents would use whatever means they had at their disposal to try to coerce him into adopting their values", rather than because Alex had objective behavioural issues. Alex was an active anarchist, and his parents were members of the Mormon church. [1]
*Asch's story here:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... light=asch (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=2725&highlight=asch)
This criticism is part of a broader critique that asserts that some behaviour diagnosed as mental illness, is in fact a mentally healthy reaction to circumstances of life or unreasonable behaviour of parents or other authorities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition ... t_disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional-defiant_disorder)