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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: CBButterflyDA on December 04, 2006, 01:39:08 PM
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I'm sick of hearing all of this negative junk about Carlbrook. As a graduate, I'm dying to hear from those who have something legitimate to say... preferably from those who were there...... Please keep it to the positive comments... those of you who want to bash Carlbrook (:flame:) , post your harsh words elsewhere.......
::birthday::
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:rofl: :P
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I'm sick of hearing all of this negative junk about Carlbrook. As a graduate, I'm dying to hear from those who have something legitimate to say... preferably from those who were there...... Please keep it to the positive comments... those of you who want to bash Carlbrook (:flame:) , post your harsh words elsewhere.......
::birthday::
this is going to be one empty thread
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I'm sick of hearing all of this negative junk about Carlbrook. As a graduate, I'm dying to hear from those who have something legitimate to say... preferably from those who were there...... Please keep it to the positive comments... those of you who want to bash Carlbrook (:flame:) , post your harsh words elsewhere.......
::birthday::
No. People don't ask you to stop posting positive stuff in the threads that are mainly negative. Fucking free speech. Something legitimate to say? Are you implying that any criticism is somehow not legitimate? Sorry, you might be able to control information inside Carlbrook but not here.
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I'd actually prefer Psy's idea and just let this thread drift, empty and dead, to the bottom of the page.
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Who asked what you preferred?
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Who asked what you preferred?
No one asked. Did you learn this kind of behavior at Carlbrook? MGDP's entitled to post anything, negative or positive. This is an open forum. You might find Strugglingteens suits your needs, they ban contradictory opinions.
Now piss off.
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No, I learned it at Straight. I'm just sick and tired of MGDP attempts to control what's being said and where it's being said. I have no clue what Ginger was thinking giving him mod status.
MGDP's entitled to post anything, negative or positive. This is an open forum.
Yeah, so is everyone else. You might want to mention that to him.
Piss off
Piss off yourself. I've been around here a long damn time. I'll say and do what I like.
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And this is just....well, I don't know what to say about this.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=90 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19637&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90)
Guest:
Because as an adult I am entitled to smoke and/or drink if I so wish??
MGDP:
It is this attitude that leads down a one-way path to ruin. Children learn by example. Period.
Guest:
I made that mistake and don't want the same for them, they are very young to be smoking.
I don't drink very often, in fact it's pretty rare, but if I do fancy a drink why shouldn't I be able to relax in the evening and have one, most of the alcohol in the house is usually left over from birthday presents or xmas etc......
Oh my! Is that justification I hear? I do believe that is, mixed with a twinge of fear. You've tried everything for your children.. except giving up the bottle.
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Me too but apparently MGDP wants it left empty. He comes into a lot of threads and tells people what they should or shouldn't post.
This place is NOT what it used to be. It's sad really.
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I do, all the time. He's just arrogant, krass and annoying and I'm in a bad mood tonight. I haven't let anyone stop me yet. He's just a bit tightly wound for my taste.
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Me too but apparently MGDP wants it left empty. He comes into a lot of threads and tells people what they should or shouldn't post.
This place is NOT what it used to be. It's sad really.
Well who fucking cares what he says. So what if he's an asshole. Everybody is. If you think he was out of line in the other thread, i would agree with you. Yes he's crass. He's the voice of the Id. If you don't like it, ignore it. It's still an open fucking forum. He won't moderate anything, nor would anybody tolerate it if he tried. He has mod status only to do technical things like delete duplicate posts and spam.
Here's another recommendation: I expressly forbid replying to this post.
Examples of more common recommendations:
go fuck yourself
fuck off
piss off
feck off
sod off
Oh boo hoo. Somebody is posting where you don't want them to post. Go post in a moderated forum then. I suggest you stop whining about milk and learn to spell crass correctly. Another one of your posts:
Oh please. I just got sick of every time someone posts something you don't find relevant you either tell them to go away, to ignore the ST people or take it to PMs. What violent reaction did I have? You're one of the most krass, abrasive people here. I agree with most of what you say, but you're an asshole. Thank god you don't have mod privvies. OPEN FORUM.....say whatever the fuck you want, however the fuck you want to say it, as evidenced by the tolerance of some of your more insensitive, argumentative for the sole sake of being argumentative posts and tirades. It's a little more understandable with those of us who actually have been subjected to the abusive practices of these places but what's your excuse? It seems to be you're a dick just for the sake of being a dick. But, hey, it takes all kinds...right?
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A lot more dorks posting here lately.
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Piss off
Piss off yourself. I've been around here a long damn time. I'll say and do what I like.
Oh, yeah, I should have known from all your posts, "Guest". You certainly are petulant and spoiling for conflict. What a mediocrity you are. Forget pissing off, I shit upon you from a great height.
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Sorry Ginger, the boys are getting a little too big for their britches. It was fun while it lasted, huh?
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I'll shit on him here, there, and anywhere I'm moved to. I apologize for my comments, Guest. I had forgotten what a sensitive and thin-skinned lot of asses are exposed here. Go ahead and vent your spleen, old-timer. Hurl abuse with impunity, you get to be the Willie Nelson of Fornits. You've "been around here a long damn time", then there's that mewling about "This place is NOT what it used to be. It's sad really", yet you still boast "I'll say and do what I like," It can't have changed too much if you feel so privileged. Christ on crack, it's an open and fairly tolerant forum, except for the likes of you. Sad, really. Dump your Carlbrook spiel, jizz, or don't. No one's going to piss on your parade, you looch.
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ok so I'm done with all of you.. this is ridiculous..... its unbelievable that you can't even keep your own negative shit away from people who want to do something positive. Wow, I feel bad for you. In less than 24 hours this turned from me trying to do something SIMPLY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OLD CLASSMATES to all of you bitching about the most random things to each other. Go get a life.
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ok so I'm done with all of you.. this is ridiculous..... its unbelievable that you can't even keep your own negative shit away from people who want to do something positive. Wow, I feel bad for you. In less than 24 hours this turned from me trying to do something SIMPLY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OLD CLASSMATES to all of you bitching about the most random things to each other. Go get a life.
No CB, wait a moment. Most of us will admit this is an angry bunch, outraged at what happened to them or people they love. MGDP has no direct personal connection to any abusive program, but MG is repulsed by what goes on in these places. Look into the source of MGDP's name. MG's our Gaboon viper, spitting some vile poison but it comes from absolute abhorrence for these programs. MG gets a reaction, he can't be ignored and he's always got a point. Twisted and violent sometimes, but so are the programs.
CB, let me remind you of the Troubled Teen Industry board's description:
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.
This is probably not the place to look for warm and fuzzy memories of ANY facility. I don't mean to sound insulting, but Strugglingteens.com might be a more realistic place to seek out former classmates.
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ok so I'm done with all of you.. this is ridiculous..... its unbelievable that you can't even keep your own negative shit away from people who want to do something positive. Wow, I feel bad for you. In less than 24 hours this turned from me trying to do something SIMPLY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OLD CLASSMATES to all of you bitching about the most random things to each other. Go get a life.
Before you dash off.... Is your dad Ted, and did he have a broken leg?
This is a "survivor" site. Did you not notice? Anyway, you might check MySpace for Classmates.
Why are you searching the internet for old CB "classmates", refered to as "inmates" around here? Any reason you can think of that Carlbrook wouldn't give you their contact info and/or put up a site for kids to stay connected?
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And why does everyone keep talking about me like I'm the only vicious asshole on this forum?
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Oh, no, I'm a vile asshole myself. You inspired "Guest" to start his tirade on this thread, though.
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If you keep on stroking me like that TSW I'm going to eventually.. you finish this sentence.
Does everyone not get it yet? I'm mean. Really mean, like Hannibal Lecter mean. I've posted as various characters on this forum, all of who are mean in different ways.
You're all forgetting something. I have a free hand. I can seriously be as mean as I feel like, not only on a free-speech basis but ethically as well; no matter what I post here, I'm still not even remotely close to being as vile as the programmies.
Killing seven-year-old girls for gargling milk isn't something I condone, the existence of WWASPS isn't something I support, "observational placement" is something I think should be punishable by decades in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, having kids forced to "dig their own graves" is about as fucking disturbing as it gets, and I only hope that everyone involved in this whole sordid, depraved, child-torturing business is repeatedly raped in Hell.
Oh yeah, and...
(http://http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-Offtopic-Derailed.jpg)
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Three words of advice, keep it real.
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If you keep on stroking me like that TSW I'm going to eventually.. you finish this sentence.
Does everyone not get it yet? I'm mean. Really mean, like Hannibal Lecter mean. I've posted as various characters on this forum, all of who are mean in different ways.
You're all forgetting something. I have a free hand. I can seriously be as mean as I feel like, not only on a free-speech basis but ethically as well;
You're not as big of a bad ass as you think you are. :roll:
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I can't go two steps on this forum without being sniped at by the Retarded and Monikerless.
Oddly enough, most of the R&M posters used to post under usernames, but instead have given them up to post thousands anonymously. Can't fathom why...
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I'll shit on him here, there, and anywhere I'm moved to. I apologize for my comments, Guest. I had forgotten what a sensitive and thin-skinned lot of asses are exposed here. Go ahead and vent your spleen, old-timer. Hurl abuse with impunity, you get to be the Willie Nelson of Fornits. You've "been around here a long damn time", then there's that mewling about "This place is NOT what it used to be. It's sad really", yet you still boast "I'll say and do what I like," It can't have changed too much if you feel so privileged. Christ on crack, it's an open and fairly tolerant forum, except for the likes of you. Sad, really. Dump your Carlbrook spiel, jizz, or don't. No one's going to piss on your parade, you looch.
I'm not thin skinned and this new gang of little boys really doesn't bother me personally. It's just that when the board gets taken over by a bunch of little kids that like to fight and seem to enjoy their new-found 'power' :roll: , it ceases to be much fun anymore. Have at it boys. I think I'll go look for an adult swim somewhere.
::cheers:: :smokin: ::bandit:: :wave:
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I can't go two steps on this forum without being sniped at by the Retarded and Monikerless.
Hey, I just got on here today. It ain't only me darlin'!
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Oddly enough, most of the R&M posters used to post under usernames, but instead have given them up to post thousands anonymously. Can't fathom why...
Because I can.
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Oddly enough, most of the R&M posters used to post under usernames, but instead have given them up to post thousands anonymously. Can't fathom why...
This is what I hate to see on this forum, that never used to be here. Passive aggressive attempts by individuals to form the discussion around their idea of what it should be. A lot of people predicted this foroum would end up program-like, I hate to see it happening.
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Yeah, I know. Me too. They were doing that last night too.
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I can't go two steps on this forum without being sniped at by the Retarded and Monikerless.
Oddly enough, most of the R&M posters used to post under usernames, but instead have given them up to post thousands anonymously. Can't fathom why...
I can't fathom why it matters to you so much that someone posts anonymously. Isn't that one of the golden rules of this place? That you CAN post anon without fear or subtle threats of someone linking your posts up?
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What's the difference if you post anonymous, or if you make up a fictional character, refusing to post a single word about the REAL person making the posts. Milk, you are more anonymous than anyone here because you are writing as fictional characters. This character Milk is just as self righteous, sadistic and controlling as any programmie I've ever met so I doubt that is the real you.
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This character Milk is just as self righteous, sadistic and controlling as any programmie I've ever met so I doubt that is the real you.
BINGO! ::cheers::
I think he's just mad because it looks like his Mod status was revoked.
The Troubled Teen Industry
Compliance is not character. Weakness is not strength. Regression is not growth. "Tough love" leads to tough hate. Time for some straight talk about the Troubled Parent Industry.
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.
Moderator: Nobody ::bwahaha::
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I call out nasty troll activity. Too much heat on programs, a lot of attention on Fornits, and suddenly this "dialogue' about how Fornits has become like a program, blah, blah. This is a set-up. Nothing's changed here. Where ya been? I mean, yeah, you're making me feel really ashamed of my infantile postings.
Cut the smear tactic crap and LEAVE. You aren't required to read this forum. If it's so "sad" to you, find a better one...
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No.
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This is a set-up.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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You sound treatment resistant with a touch of ODD. Go to PURE and get referred to a good program.
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You sound treatment resistant with a touch of ODD. Go to PURE and get referred to a good program.
Go fuck yourself! :rofl:
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I call out nasty troll activity. Too much heat on programs, a lot of attention on Fornits, and suddenly this "dialogue' about how Fornits has become like a program, blah, blah. This is a set-up. Nothing's changed here. Where ya been? I mean, yeah, you're making me feel really ashamed of my infantile postings.
Cut the smear tactic crap and LEAVE. You aren't required to read this forum. If it's so "sad" to you, find a better one...
Been reading this forum for three years. Locked up in a few different programs before that, so no I am not trolling. Am I really not required to read this forum? Thanks for enlightening me. There is no better forum for survivors of programs out there, so I will stay, thanks.
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You sound treatment resistant with a touch of ODD. Go to PURE and get referred to a good program.
I AM treatment resistant!! I got that from being in one, they don't work on me. And God yes, I am oppositional...that's for sure. Especially when dealing with little punks who enjoy stirring things up and keeping them that way because they have no life outside of this place.
Yep. You sure nailed me! ::bwahaha::
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]If it's so "sad" to you, find a better one...
Why did you quote me with the wrong word? I didn't say sad, I said hate. I get it though - sad is a much more feminine word - and another self righteous moniker is here to belittle this measly guest who is not man enough to sign in.
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]If it's so "sad" to you, find a better one...
Why did you quote me with the wrong word? I didn't say sad, I said hate. I get it though - sad is a much more feminine word - and another self righteous moniker is here to belittle this measly guest who is not man enough to sign in.
They're confusing you and I. They can't "fathom" that more than one person is anon AND disagrees with them.
Very observant, the feminine 'sad'. :wink:
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What's the difference if you post anonymous, or if you make up a fictional character, refusing to post a single word about the REAL person making the posts.
I'll make an arguement for this, although I support anon posts.
When you have a user name and use it, people develop a sense of who the person is, where they're coming from, their values, etc. There is less likelihood of misunderstandings.
As a moderator I've seen one anon regular light into another anon regular many times, because the responder took the posters comment wrong. If you read a anon message without the personality of the poster in mind, it's very easy to misconstrue the intent. If you post anon you will risk being misunderstood or mistaken for a program advocate from time to time, if your message could be taken in more than one way. Happens all the time!!
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See my post title?
There is no moderator on most of Fornits. The only time posts get deleted is if they're spam, flooding, or duplicates. As the immoderator, my purpose is to stoke flamewar, start arguments, cause dissension, and generally spread hatred and hostility everywhere I go, except when I don't feel like it. Since this thread was hopeless from the start it's the perfect place for such things.
I don't know who you really are, and I don't rightly give half a fuck. "This is a free forum so I get to make all the anon posts I want and no one can expose me!" Of course you can, and of course no one is. (Unless you're a programmie on the HLA forum. Deb and Robert have been really crunching those guys.) That doesn't mean anyone's going to pay real attention to you. Do you honestly think I'm going to wake up one morning and say "Wow! Guest, Guest, and Guest all want me to stop being so mean on Fornits! I guess I'll stop posting mean things!"
I'm going to use what has become my catchphrase: Do you really think that's going to happen? You'd have about as much luck trying to cure a violent kid by putting him in TB.
I'd just like to point out that you are riding my nuts and it's really getting kind of annoying.
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When you have a user name and use it, people develop a sense of who the person is, where they're coming from, their values, etc. There is less likelihood of misunderstandings.
You have a sense of who Luke is? How about Milk? I have a better sense of the dude who signs his posts with the smoking guy than fictional characters. I have a better sense of who an anon is who says one thing about themsleves than a fictional commentator.
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THAT'S IT, MY MINIONS! PUNISH THESE BASTARDS FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HLA! REVENGE FOR IVY RIDGE! HAVE YOU FORNITS CREEPS HAD ENOUGH, OR WILL MY BITCHES HAVE TO TAUNT YOU FURTHER? YOU FORNITS PEOPLE ARE NO MATCH FOR THE LETHAL WIT OF MY PROGRAMMED BEHAVIOR MODIFIED BITCHES! TAKE THAT!
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See my post title?
There is no moderator on most of Fornits. The only time posts get deleted is if they're spam, flooding, or duplicates. As the immoderator, my purpose is to stoke flamewar, start arguments, cause dissension, and generally spread hatred and hostility everywhere I go, except when I don't feel like it. Since this thread was hopeless from the start it's the perfect place for such things.
I don't know who you really are, and I don't rightly give half a fuck. "This is a free forum so I get to make all the anon posts I want and no one can expose me!" Of course you can, and of course no one is. (Unless you're a programmie on the HLA forum. Deb and Robert have been really crunching those guys.) That doesn't mean anyone's going to pay real attention to you. Do you honestly think I'm going to wake up one morning and say "Wow! Guest, Guest, and Guest all want me to stop being so mean on Fornits! I guess I'll stop posting mean things!"
I'm going to use what has become my catchphrase: Do you really think that's going to happen? You'd have about as much luck trying to cure a violent kid by putting him in TB.
I'd just like to point out that you are riding my nuts and it's really getting kind of annoying.
I really don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if I'm riding your nuts and I don't give a shit that your idea of a good time is to, how did you put it? Oh yeah, "to stoke flamewar, start arguments, cause dissension, and generally spread hatred and hostility everywhere I go, except when I don't feel like it." Go ahead. I was just commenting on your little tirades. I don't give a shit that YOU don't pay attention to me (although it's pretty clear you do and it's pretty clear that it got under your skin). You're a little boy with too much time on his hands.
If this is the way Ginger wants to boards to go, after all her hard work....so be it. She'll just be doing it without quite a few of us who have been around and supported her efforts for these many years now. And that is sad.
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THAT'S IT, MY MINIONS! PUNISH THESE BASTARDS FOR WHAT THEY DID TO HLA! REVENGE FOR IVY RIDGE! HAVE YOU FORNITS CREEPS HAD ENOUGH, OR WILL MY BITCHES HAVE TO TAUNT YOU FURTHER? YOU FORNITS PEOPLE ARE NO MATCH FOR THE LETHAL WIT OF MY PROGRAMMED BEHAVIOR MODIFIED BITCHES! TAKE THAT!
Oh screw off! Your 'minions'???
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See my post title?
There is no moderator on most of Fornits. The only time posts get deleted is if they're spam, flooding, or duplicates. As the immoderator, my purpose is to stoke flamewar, start arguments, cause dissension, and generally spread hatred and hostility everywhere I go, except when I don't feel like it. Since this thread was hopeless from the start it's the perfect place for such things.
I don't know who you really are, and I don't rightly give half a fuck. "This is a free forum so I get to make all the anon posts I want and no one can expose me!" Of course you can, and of course no one is. (Unless you're a programmie on the HLA forum. Deb and Robert have been really crunching those guys.) That doesn't mean anyone's going to pay real attention to you. Do you honestly think I'm going to wake up one morning and say "Wow! Guest, Guest, and Guest all want me to stop being so mean on Fornits! I guess I'll stop posting mean things!"
I'm going to use what has become my catchphrase: Do you really think that's going to happen? You'd have about as much luck trying to cure a violent kid by putting him in TB.
I'd just like to point out that you are riding my nuts and it's really getting kind of annoying.
According to your post a couple pages back, you do know who the anon posting was by ip. I am not complaining about your being mean, we all know it's an act, mean people don't try so hard. What concernns me and I am guessing that other anon is that you are moderating this forum, which is a new thing. Your two posts contradict each other. You've always made passive aggressive attempts to moderate, but now it looks like you have the power so of course we are going to ride your nuts.
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If this is the way Ginger wants to boards to go.. etc, etc...
If Ginger had a nickel every time someone said something like this, there'd be no need for a donation link.
And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
If I really did have The Power? like you think I do, wouldn't I have gone through this thread with the delete broom by now? Yes, there's a little X button on the top right of all your posts. No, I'm not about to click it. I'd get nine kinds of hell. And remember, kids, if you can't abuse it, it's not power.
So, your accusations of me having absolute power are nullified by the fact that your posts still exist.
I'm done with this thread. It'll probably last a while without me and then the guests will be off their periods.
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So, your accusations of me having absolute power are nullified by the fact that your posts still exist.
I'm done with this thread. It'll probably last a while without me and then the guests will be off their periods.
:rofl:
Like Stalin saying 'trust me' to his people because they aren't dead yet. You can't be serious with an argument like that.
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GODDAMMIT! YOU'RE MAKING A LAME SHOWING, BITCHES! MORE CONVICTION! IF YOU FAIL, THERE WILL BE NO TEEN TORTURE INDUSTRY, AND YOUR MONKEY ASSES WILL BE UNEMPLOYED OR IN JAIL! PRETEND THESE FORNITS BASTARDS ARE THE KIDS! BREAK THEM! OR I SWEAR TO GOD, I'LL PUT THE TWO OF YOU IN PERMANENT SHUTDOWN! BRING ME THE HEAD OF MGDP, BITCHES!
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And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
We know that, you let us know a few pages back when you told us they were regular posters. Only way to know that is if you are checking IP's, and the only reason you would let us all know is to try and quell anonymous criticism of your moderation and postings. I could give a crap if you know all my usernames, but new posters might. Do they know you are kidding around with your violent fantasies (if you even are)? If I found this forum the way it is now, I would have never posted here years ago. It changes the dynamic of this forum and deserves a discussion, periods and all...........
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So, your accusations of me having absolute power are nullified by the fact that your posts still exist.
I'm done with this thread. It'll probably last a while without me and then the guests will be off their periods.
:rofl:
Like Stalin saying 'trust me' to his people because they aren't dead yet. You can't be serious with an argument like that.
Oh, I know where this came from. You guys have sunk to a new low. It seems there has been a conversation going on behind the scenes, so to speak
Here it is. I talked to Ginger on the phone last night. I made a referece to this post of mine..
do, all the time. He's just arrogant, krass and annoying and I'm in a bad mood tonight. I haven't let anyone stop me yet. He's just a bit tightly wound for my taste.
She was talking to TSW on the phone.and I told her basically the same thing and to tell TSW that I'd get over it. She told him that and apparently TSW said something to MGDP.
Damn.....As the Fuckng World Turns.
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So, your accusations of me having absolute power are nullified by the fact that your posts still exist.
I'm done with this thread. It'll probably last a while without me and then the guests will be off their periods.
:rofl:
Like Stalin saying 'trust me' to his people because they aren't dead yet. You can't be serious with an argument like that.
Oh, I know where this came from. You guys have sunk to a new low. It seems there has been a conversation going on behind the scenes, so to speak
Here it is. I talked to Ginger on the phone last night. I made a referece to this post of mine..
do, all the time. He's just arrogant, krass and annoying and I'm in a bad mood tonight. I haven't let anyone stop me yet. He's just a bit tightly wound for my taste.
She was talking to TSW on the phone.and I told her basically the same thing but I think I said I was PMSing and to tell TSW that I'd get over it. She told him that and apparently TSW said something to MGDP.
Damn.....As the Fuckng World Turns.
Oops
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keep your own negative shit away
Well then! If you're going to use that kind of language....
Seriously, that's Straight talk or Seed talk. How is it that a Carlbrook sycophant comes by that vile lingo?
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And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
We know that, you let us know a few pages back when you told us they were regular posters. Only way to know that is if you are checking IP's, and the only reason you would let us all know is to try and quell anonymous criticism of your moderation and postings. I could give a crap if you know all my usernames, but new posters might. Do they know you are kidding around with your violent fantasies (if you even are)? If I found this forum the way it is now, I would have never posted here years ago. It changes the dynamic of this forum and deserves a discussion, periods and all...........
Thank you! :tup: This is exactly it!! I could give a shit if you know who I am or PMS :rofl: (my poor husband) or anything else. The two things that Ginger has never waivered on about this place are that nothing is censored and you can be completely anonymous. These vague pseudo-threats are just stupid and self-serving. Get over yourselves and quit fucking things up. ::both::
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MINIONS? MINIONS? DON'T RUN OFF AND LEAVE ME...I'M...I'M PROBABLY GOING TO PRISON... YOU...YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO TO CHILD ABUSERS IN THE BIG HOUSE, DON'T YOU? MINIONS!
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And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
We know that, you let us know a few pages back when you told us they were regular posters. Only way to know that is if you are checking IP's, and the only reason you would let us all know is to try and quell anonymous criticism of your moderation and postings. I could give a crap if you know all my usernames, but new posters might. Do they know you are kidding around with your violent fantasies (if you even are)? If I found this forum the way it is now, I would have never posted here years ago. It changes the dynamic of this forum and deserves a discussion, periods and all...........
Damn...if I had found this forum and your holier-than-thou bullshit and snarky, arrogant attitude, I'd have gone to strugglingteens, much to my kid's detriment. Judge not, your opinion of yourself is not shared.
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And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
We know that, you let us know a few pages back when you told us they were regular posters. Only way to know that is if you are checking IP's, and the only reason you would let us all know is to try and quell anonymous criticism of your moderation and postings. I could give a crap if you know all my usernames, but new posters might. Do they know you are kidding around with your violent fantasies (if you even are)? If I found this forum the way it is now, I would have never posted here years ago. It changes the dynamic of this forum and deserves a discussion, periods and all...........
Damn...if I had found this forum and your holier-than-thou bullshit and snarky, arrogant attitude, I'd have gone to strugglingteens, much to my kid's detriment. Judge not, your opinion of yourself is not shared.
Well at least I cannot make passive aggressive threats to out your other posts because you don't like me or what I have to say. If you can fall under the influence of others so easily, I feel bad for your kid. Lucky for them, you found the right group of people.
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Damn...if I had found this forum and your holier-than-thou bullshit and snarky, arrogant attitude, I'd have gone to strugglingteens, much to my kid's detriment. Judge not, your opinion of yourself is not shared.
Are you kidding me? have you seen much of Fornits? It's not what they're saying that's irritating people, it's the undercurrent of threats exposure and delusions of power that's turning people off.
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Don't talk about my kid. Do you hear me? What is your agenda? You come in here shooting from the hip, spouting bile, and now you're getting extremely defensive AND offensive. Leave my kid out of this. Curb yourself.
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Don't talk about my kid. Do you hear me? What is your agenda? You come in here shooting from the hip, spouting bile, and now you're getting extremely defensive AND offensive. Leave my kid out of this. Curb yourself.
You sound like a scientologist fresh out of TR practice.
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Damn...if I had found this forum and your holier-than-thou bullshit and snarky, arrogant attitude, I'd have gone to strugglingteens, much to my kid's detriment. Judge not, your opinion of yourself is not shared.
Are you kidding me? have you seen much of Fornits? It's not what they're saying that's irritating people, it's the undercurrent of threats exposure and delusions of power that's turning people off.
Or turning them on to it. The backlash from HLA and Ivy Ridge must be causing big waves to bring out such a pure attack. Who's irritated? You? What's alarming people about Fornits is the undercurrent of threats to programs, exposure of abusive facilities and certain EdCons' delusions of power. What brought you here? Did you find out journalists are asking us for info?
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Don't talk about my kid. Do you hear me? What is your agenda? You come in here shooting from the hip, spouting bile, and now you're getting extremely defensive AND offensive. Leave my kid out of this. Curb yourself.
You sound like a scientologist fresh out of TR practice.
You sound like a programee disappointed by a lost opportunity to torture a kid.
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Ain't going to be anybody here to answer those journalists if moderators are not respecting the anonymity that helped this forum thrive, and encouraged program survivors to post in the first place. It's embarassing to recount the shit that happens in programs, something that people who were never in programs dont seem to get.
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Or turning them on to it. The backlash from HLA and Ivy Ridge must be causing big waves to bring out such a pure attack. Who's irritated? You? What's alarming people about Fornits is the undercurrent of threats to programs, exposure of abusive facilities and certain EdCons' delusions of power. What brought you here? Did you find out journalists are asking us for info?
Yes, I have noticed that the PURE idiots are a little nervous. I knew the publicity from that farce of a legal 'victory' would bring unwanted attention. That's a separate issue from what was being discussed here though. They're annoyed at that. I was annoyed with the children in charge around here lately
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Why would I care? Seriously, these people know me anyway, a lot of them have my e-mail address. If you've got a reason to fear, rest easy, Ginger's not giving out names. You're a muckraker.
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Yeah milks gone and a mysterios anon comes to take over his argument. too bad we cant check ips too. :rofl:
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Or turning them on to it. The backlash from HLA and Ivy Ridge must be causing big waves to bring out such a pure attack. Who's irritated? You? What's alarming people about Fornits is the undercurrent of threats to programs, exposure of abusive facilities and certain EdCons' delusions of power. What brought you here? Did you find out journalists are asking us for info?
Yes, I have noticed that the PURE idiots are a little nervous. I knew the publicity from that farce of a legal 'victory' would bring unwanted attention. That's a separate issue from what was being discussed here though. They're annoyed at that. I was annoyed with the children in charge around here lately
Lon? Is that you, bro?
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Why would I care? Seriously, these people know me anyway, a lot of them have my e-mail address. If you've got a reason to fear, rest easy, Ginger's not giving out names. You're a muckraker.
Yes, we[/b] know that but as someone else said, new people coming here might not. Those veiled threats might work on them.
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Yeah milks gone and a mysterios anon comes to take over his argument. too bad we cant check ips too. :rofl:
Paranoid freak. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not MGDP.
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Ain't going to be anybody here to answer those journalists if moderators are not respecting the anonymity that helped this forum thrive, and encouraged program survivors to post in the first place. It's embarassing to recount the shit that happens in programs, something that people who were never in programs dont seem to get.
I totally support anonymity for survivors!! And... having a user name, even if it's a number, doesn't make anyone any less anonymous. It doesn't expose their idenitity. And, if need be they can pick a different user name in the future if they choose.
It would eliminate many unnecessary arguments, imo.
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Or turning them on to it. The backlash from HLA and Ivy Ridge must be causing big waves to bring out such a pure attack. Who's irritated? You? What's alarming people about Fornits is the undercurrent of threats to programs, exposure of abusive facilities and certain EdCons' delusions of power. What brought you here? Did you find out journalists are asking us for info?
Yes, I have noticed that the PURE idiots are a little nervous. I knew the publicity from that farce of a legal 'victory' would bring unwanted attention. That's a separate issue from what was being discussed here though. They're annoyed at that. I was annoyed with the children in charge around here lately
Lon? Is that you, bro?
Oh please. No, it's not Lon. Ok, for the record. Lon/ST are idiots, PURE are idiots, WWASPS are idiots, Drug Free America Foundation or idiots....have I left anyone out? I'm an individual, not affiliated or associated with anyone.
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And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
We know that, you let us know a few pages back when you told us they were regular posters. Only way to know that is if you are checking IP's, and the only reason you would let us all know is to try and quell anonymous criticism of your moderation and postings. I could give a crap if you know all my usernames, but new posters might. Do they know you are kidding around with your violent fantasies (if you even are)? If I found this forum the way it is now, I would have never posted here years ago. It changes the dynamic of this forum and deserves a discussion, periods and all...........
Thank you! :tup: This is exactly it!! I could give a shit if you know who I am or PMS :rofl: (my poor husband) or anything else. The two things that Ginger has never waivered on about this place are that nothing is censored and you can be completely anonymous. These vague pseudo-threats are just stupid and self-serving. Get over yourselves and quit fucking things up. ::both::
Exactly my point as well, it's very simple despite these other anon's attempt to change the subject with their nonsense.
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And yes, I do know who the anon posting is by IP. That doesn't mean I know who it really is, any more than you know who I really am by my username.
We know that, you let us know a few pages back when you told us they were regular posters. Only way to know that is if you are checking IP's, and the only reason you would let us all know is to try and quell anonymous criticism of your moderation and postings. I could give a crap if you know all my usernames, but new posters might. Do they know you are kidding around with your violent fantasies (if you even are)? If I found this forum the way it is now, I would have never posted here years ago. It changes the dynamic of this forum and deserves a discussion, periods and all...........
Thank you! :tup: This is exactly it!! I could give a shit if you know who I am or PMS :rofl: (my poor husband) or anything else. The two things that Ginger has never waivered on about this place are that nothing is censored and you can be completely anonymous. These vague pseudo-threats are just stupid and self-serving. Get over yourselves and quit fucking things up. ::both::
Exactly my point as well, it's very simple despite these other anon's attempt to change the subject with their nonsense.
Sounds like you guys need to start your own forum, squeaky clean enough for Mormons and leae this one to the "children" who seem to be annoying you. Best of luck!
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Way to dodge the point of the discussion completely!
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Sounds like you guys need to start your own forum, squeaky clean enough for Mormons and leae this one to the "children" who seem to be annoying you. Best of luck!
No, again you're missing the point. It's not that they're vile or moronic, it's that they've recently been given moderator status and have begun to make veiled threats of 'outing' people or linking up posts. Not for us, we (from what the other anon posted) could really care less, but it isn't conducive to an open environment for anyone new who might come along. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
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Way to dodge the point of the discussion completely!
No, not at all. If you're that annoyed and worried about being "outed", stay away from Fornits. That should be the end of the discussion, but you're all hellbent on whining.
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Way to dodge the point of the discussion completely!
No, not at all. If you're that annoyed and worried about being "outed", stay away from Fornits. That should be the end of the discussion, but you're all hellbent on whining.
No! That has been one of the things that Ginger has never, ever waivered on since Fornits' inception. No one should be afraid to post for fear of someone 'outing' them. If YOU don't like it, go find a forum that's moderated and requires registration.
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Sounds like you guys need to start your own forum, squeaky clean enough for Mormons and leae this one to the "children" who seem to be annoying you. Best of luck!
No, again you're missing the point. It's not that they're vile or moronic, it's that they've recently been given moderator status and have begun to make veiled threats of 'outing' people or linking up posts. Not for us, we (from what the other anon posted) could really care less, but it isn't conducive to an open environment for anyone new who might come along. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
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Way to dodge the point of the discussion completely!
No, not at all. If you're that annoyed and worried about being "outed", stay away from Fornits. That should be the end of the discussion, but you're all hellbent on whining.
No! That has been one of the things that Ginger has never, ever waivered on since Fornits' inception. No one should be afraid to post for fear of someone 'outing' them. If YOU don't like it, go find a forum that's moderated and requires registration.
I'm not the one who's having a petulant fit about it, am I?
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I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
No, it's not just them. He threatened it with me either last night or today. I've forgotten by now. I don't care, but as I said...it isn't conducive to an open discussion environment. That's always been what's separated Fornits from all the others. That's the beauty of it. Nothing is censored and you can remain anonymous.
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I'm not the one who's having a petulant fit about it, am I?
If that's how you see it, fine. I see it as me trying to hold onto what Fornits has always been.
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Way to dodge the point of the discussion completely!
No, not at all. If you're that annoyed and worried about being "outed", stay away from Fornits. That should be the end of the discussion, but you're all hellbent on whining.
No! That has been one of the things that Ginger has never, ever waivered on since Fornits' inception. No one should be afraid to post for fear of someone 'outing' them. If YOU don't like it, go find a forum that's moderated and requires registration.
I'm not the one who's having a petulant fit about it, am I?
Here you are , complaining, so yeah you are.
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Sounds like you guys need to start your own forum, squeaky clean enough for Mormons and leae this one to the "children" who seem to be annoying you. Best of luck!
No, again you're missing the point. It's not that they're vile or moronic, it's that they've recently been given moderator status and have begun to make veiled threats of 'outing' people or linking up posts. Not for us, we (from what the other anon posted) could really care less, but it isn't conducive to an open environment for anyone new who might come along. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
So now fornits is like struggling teens, they feel the same way about program posters over there. Hell, why not just post IPs out in the open like they do and get it over with?
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So now fornits is like struggling teens, they feel the same way about program posters over there. Hell, why not just post IPs out in the open like they do and get it over with?
By George I think he's got it.
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I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
No, it's not just them. He threatened it with me either last night or today. I've forgotten by now. I don't care, but as I said...it isn't conducive to an open discussion environment. That's always been what's separated Fornits from all the others. That's the beauty of it. Nothing is censored and you can remain anonymous.
In that case I agree with you. Anonymity needs to be maintained for the real posters. Why were you threatened, though?
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Sounds like you guys need to start your own forum, squeaky clean enough for Mormons and leae this one to the "children" who seem to be annoying you. Best of luck!
No, again you're missing the point. It's not that they're vile or moronic, it's that they've recently been given moderator status and have begun to make veiled threats of 'outing' people or linking up posts. Not for us, we (from what the other anon posted) could really care less, but it isn't conducive to an open environment for anyone new who might come along. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
So now fornits is like struggling teens, they feel the same way about program posters over there. Hell, why not just post IPs out in the open like they do and get it over with?
That's just like...my opinion, man. I have no control over that, so don't get so worked up. One word, dude: Xanax.
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I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
No, it's not just them. He threatened it with me either last night or today. I've forgotten by now. I don't care, but as I said...it isn't conducive to an open discussion environment. That's always been what's separated Fornits from all the others. That's the beauty of it. Nothing is censored and you can remain anonymous.
In that case I agree with you. Anonymity needs to be maintained for the real posters. Why were you threatened, though?
I guess he and TSW got their panties in a wad about something I said, so the implied threats started. That and picking through other anon posts I made and 'linking' them up. I don't care if people know who I am or that I'm PMSing (I'm still laughing at the two of them discussing my menstrual cycle....must have been a boring evening :rofl: ) but I DO care that they create this environment of hostility and vague threats to virtually anyone who posts here.
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I imagine Ginger wouldn't allow that breach of trust. Hell, I know she wouldn't, after the legalese documents I've pored over where she's mentioned.
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Still...I'm familiar enough with TSW, and I have to wonder what was said.
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read the whole thread.
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Anne:
1) I am still waiting for you to contact me in pm on yahoo.
Haven't had time yet, will do.
2) I am still confused to as how you think I outted your anon status here on fornits.
I may not have been specifically referring to you. It could have been MGDP. It's more the threat or implied threat to do so. Or just throwing around the fact that you all DO have access to people's IPs that makes people think twice about posting or what they post. Now with the two of you discussing when my period is going to end, it just doesn't inspire confidence that any sense of anonymity is real. Or it could have been the other anon talking about someone else entirely, I don't know.
I strongly encourage you to get in contact with me to attempt to help clear this matter up. Trust in the fact that my "panties" are not all that overly bunched up that my objectivity isn't diminished.
Please contact me at dan_the_chainsawman on yahoo.
My, haven't we become all business-like. I will in a bit. I just crawled out of an engine room and I'm filthy and in dire need of a shower.
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I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year. It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups. I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit. the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there. Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something. I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good. I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other. And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school? I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did. I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen. I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.
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The more I read about this place, the more it reminds me of Straight, at least on the peer culture and emotional abuse end. Straight wasn't billed as a school though. Other than that, though the post below could have been written by me twenty years ago and I think, as I said in the thread that I quoted from, it explains the extreme devotion and fanatical responses to criticisms of the school. They cannot tolerate any type of critical, rational thought. Their entire premise depends on isolation and making the victim vulnerable enough to be manipulated into believing pretty much anything. It also explains how they can try and claim that any of it is voluntary. They don't see coercion and isolation for what it really is...brainwashing.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=8792&start=30 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=8792&start=30)
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I went to Carlbrook from July 05 to June 06... the experiences i had there were both positive and negative... First off, i had very very little behavioral problems and virtually no drug or alchohol problems. I feel i was placed there unfairly. My ed-consultant was the owners mother and my wood's therapist was their close family friend. I feel i was placed at Carlbrook out of convience and manipulation, not out of actually need. Carlbrook felt like Jail. My advisor was extremely manipulative and by the end of my stay there i was being attacked and singled out by almost all the staff and many students. The owner, Grant Price is an absolute mad man. He has no qualification to run that school other than the fact that he went to a tbs previously. In groups most of the staff cuss the students out and manipulate them to believe that they really need carlbrook's help in order to even survive in the "real World". They convince completely normal and talented kids that they "hate themselves" and make them feel they have nowhere else to turn. The emotional manipulation there is unreal. They believe that a student who has any natural spunk or spirit must first be broken by carlbrook and then built back up. If you decide to not fully comply emotionally to the program and philosophy there you are isolated from your friends and made to feel like an outcast from everyone around. they put you on 'Bans' which mean you cannot talk to a certain group of people for reasons only Carlbrook can justify. It is borderline INSANE! In my last 3 weeks there, i was placed in "suspension" which is basically a room in which you sit at a desk and stare straight ahead. You cannot look at any other studetn, talk to any one unless raising your hand or being adressed by a staff first. You have virtually NO contact with anyone other than the security staff in that room. When you do leave the room you must walk in a straight line with your head down and are forbidden to look up. I was placed in there because someone said that i was gossiping about other studetns which was completely false. It was complete injustice.. And Andy Coe... this man is the devil. He lied and told the whole school this heart-wrenching story about the near death of his daughter which was completely UNTRUE. the staff lies to the studetns in order to make them feel a certain way. Most of the Therapy was BULLSHIT!!!!! the only staff that really cared abotu the kids were the maintainance staff, teachers, cooking staff, security staff, and a VERY small number of advisors.... Parents need to think VERY VERY long and hard b4 making a drastic decision to send your child to a hell hole like this. and if you do.... there better be absolutely NO other option for them
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well I guess we'll just have to wait 20 years to see if the carlbook grads are losers on message boards like you are. somehow I don't think that will be the case. get over it annie. how pathetic can you possibly be? Carlbook didn't brainwash and didn't base the program on isolation. There was some breaking down, but most of us needed that. no it wasn't fun, but neither was watching our life go down the tubes with drugs or other stuff.
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Why did you come to post here, to convince a bunch of "losers" a school nobody cares about is great? Who gives a shit dude, nobody here does. Look how fast the conversation changes. What some of us do find funny is how similar program graduates sound in their zelousness in defending their program. That is pathetic and very strange.
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well I guess we'll just have to wait 20 years to see if the carlbook grads are losers on message boards like you are. somehow I don't think that will be the case. get over it annie. how pathetic can you possibly be? Carlbook didn't brainwash and didn't base the program on isolation. There was some breaking down, but most of us needed that. no it wasn't fun, but neither was watching our life go down the tubes with drugs or other stuff.
Ya know, I would like to see how you feel about your experience there in a few years from now. Being out in the real world and being allowed to think for yourself can be incredibly powerful, sometimes in a good way, sometimes not.
Why do you assume I don't have a good life now? I'm actually quite happy now. It took a long time to get here because of the damage inflicted in Straight and the years after, that's why I'm here. I was shocked to find out a couple of years ago that places like that not only still exist, but are mulitplying. I'm doing my little part to give parents a peek at the man behind the curtain.
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They don't care, they are too busy reliving that rush they used to get when giving their off the cuff psychobabble advice to other kids at their program. You know, just like the kid sent there for ditching school, smoking pot and drinking, telling the suicidal heroin addict how much of a loser they are for not getting with it. Takes ya right back, don't it?
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I think i know who you're talking about. If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it. Threatening them with exposure keeps them away. Think of it as RAID for program vermin.
Well I have a problem with it. I don't want program staff to stay away. I want them to use these forums just as freely as anybody. I want them to say just what they think out here in public where sane people can see for themselves just how nuckin futz they are.
Other reasons cited here are equally valid. I know for a fact that journalists, lawyers and potential industry marks have hooked up with people they need to talk to by way of anon posts. And then there are all manner and kind of social hookups that come out of anon postings.
This really is serious business to me and here's the main reason. I've anguished over what to do, how to respond to the nightmare we've all witnessed. You pro-program people just can't understand what it's like for a 6yo little girl to look into her brother's face after just a couple of weeks in group and not find him there behind those eyes. He never really has come back, either. Not fully or for long. And I can't understand how you people (my own parents included) could view that as a good thing! I want to understand that. But we weren't even allowed to acknowledge the fact, let alone seriously discuss it, while we were all in the Program. Hell, in my family it's still verboten to speak of it.
So one day it occurred to me that if there's a single common thread to how all of these programs work, it's this; NO TALKING OUT IN GROUP. That's the linchpin. And if you read up on Stalinist Russia, NAZI Germany, life in Cuba under Castro or Maoist China you'll find the same theme at play. Everybody's afraid to say what they really think. Take that away and ** POOF ** the slight of mind vanishes like a spirit at the dawn of day. And all without coercion.
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You know. As much as i would LOVE to know the IPs of some posters this is an anonymous forum. I dont see evidence of milk threatening, or even implying to out anybody, he is simply stating that he knows. So heres my suggestion to pacify the masses. Milk:
Create yourself an Admin account soely for the purpose of deleting duplicate posts etc. Then remove admin rights from your MGDP account.
Problem solved. He wont see peoples ips anymore. Basically he would have two hats, one for personal, one for "work".
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Ughhh. (sigh) Look, I'm honestly not trying to create any problems here. I've personally felt this way for a little while and it came out last night. I blew off some steam. Maybe there wasn't an overt threat, but the feeling was there. The other anon described it well. It's been passive-aggressive steering of threads and just generally being an asshole until now and that's fine, we all are at times but now that administration positions have changed, so have the posts. It adds to that atmosphere of distrust that already exists here and, to me, it's been counter productive.
I'm not suggesting any administrative changes, nor would it be my place to do so. I have absolutely no problem with Milk being a dick and posting the things that he does. Hell, I've defended him anonymously when he's been going off on some programmie. It's just not the usual type of conversation I enjoy though so I usually stay away from those. It's different when either me or someone else is having a discussion with someone and he comes in and starts shit for the sole sake of entertainment or making himself look like the bad boy of Fornits or just to be a pain in the ass, as he's said his purpose is here. I've been a huge bitch around here at times. I guess I was just trying to be a little more selective with it in an attempt to get something accomplished.
I said what I had to say. I have a huge headache and I'm gonna try and go to sleep.
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So someone ripped the line out of the utility pole infront of my yard and now I'm back online.
Looks like I've missed a lot :rofl:
I LOVE this new angle... "good experiences (insofar as what we were told were good) only!"
Right, so because someone went through the full LGAT experience (including euphoria) and was convinced it was good for them, had a beneficial effect, and they believe it, they now have to go out into the world and tell everyone to only listen to what some overly influenced programmie has to say and ignore anything factual, specific, and evidential and only listen to their generalized, spin-doctored press-release-esque boilerplate about how they could have taken the "opportunity to learn about themself instead of making it a bad experience".
OP - do rape victims have the obligation of learning about how they like submission, masochism, humiliation, fear and potential STD infection and "how it RELATES to them" and make it a growth experience during a rape?
'cause saying you "make or break the program experience" is basically the same thing...
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I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year. It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups. I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit. the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there. Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something. I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good. I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other. And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school? I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did. I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen. I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.
What possess a program mother to go to great lengths to defend a program? OCD? Referral fees? Holding stock in said program?
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I thought that sounded a lot like a certain program parent we know.
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I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year. It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups. I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit. the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there. Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something. I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good. I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other. And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school? I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did. I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen. I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.
What possess a program mother to go to great lengths to defend a program? OCD? Referral fees? Holding stock in said program?
Oh christ! Is it really? For fuck's sake lady. Get a goddamn grip on reality! Spending hours on a forum that you hate, posing as a Carlbrook/HLA/TBS-of-the-week student? Is that your[/b] hobby? Impersonating children on Fornits? How pathetic can you possibly get? :roll:
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So someone ripped the line out of the utility pole infront of my yard and now I'm back online.
Looks like I've missed a lot :rofl:
I LOVE this new angle... "good experiences (insofar as what we were told were good) only!"
Right, so because someone went through the full LGAT experience (including euphoria) and was convinced it was good for them, had a beneficial effect, and they believe it, they now have to go out into the world and tell everyone to only listen to what some overly influenced programmie has to say and ignore anything factual, specific, and evidential and only listen to their generalized, spin-doctored press-release-esque boilerplate about how they could have taken the "opportunity to learn about themself instead of making it a bad experience".
OP - do rape victims have the obligation of learning about how they like submission, masochism, humiliation, fear and potential STD infection and "how it RELATES to them" and make it a growth experience during a rape?
'cause saying you "make or break the program experience" is basically the same thing...
well said
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hey there Butterfly. I know you- are you on facebook? send me an IM. Saw you at the funeral- this is JBS from Delta. Give me a holla. Catch you later. Off to school.
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I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year. It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups. I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit. the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there. Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something. I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good. I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other. And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school? I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did. I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen. I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.
What possess a program mother to go to great lengths to defend a program? OCD? Referral fees? Holding stock in said program?
Oh christ! Is it really? For fuck's sake lady. Get a goddamn grip on reality! Spending hours on a forum that you hate, posing as a Carlbrook/HLA/TBS-of-the-week student? Is that your[/b] hobby? Impersonating children on Fornits? How pathetic can you possibly get? :roll:
Oh, lord. Is this the lovely Karen again? Lying again? Pretending to be someone else again? Watching tapes of Kiley corn-holing his girl again? (just threw that on ein for fun!)
Seriously, Karen, get a fucking life!
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hey there Butterfly. I know you- are you on facebook? send me an IM. Saw you at the funeral- this is JBS from Delta. Give me a holla. Catch you later. Off to school.
wait, I can't figure out who this is..... JBS... give me another hint....
ps i wasnt at the funeral but I'm sure you know me if youre from Delta
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hey there Butterfly. I know you- are you on facebook? send me an IM. Saw you at the funeral- this is JBS from Delta. Give me a holla. Catch you later. Off to school.
wait, I can't figure out who this is..... JBS... give me another hint....
ps i wasnt at the funeral but I'm sure you know me if youre from Delta
What funeral???
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Anybody interested in Carlbrook please visit the site http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121154957908461 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121154957908461). It is a public facebook forum that discusses Carlbrook and in which people are not anonymous, thus seeks to eliminate some of the more colorful and less productive aspects trends that occur on this one. If anybody is interested in documenting what went on at Carlbrook and taking it beyond the internet (not necessarily to the courts but gaining more legitimacy for our concern) I am attempting to collect sworn affidavits about the events that went on that aim to capture the truth. If you have told the truth you can use the accounts you've already made on this site and have them notarized. It is relatively easy to do this at a bank. Collecting affidavits of what went on there is important because obviously the extreme level of discontent coupled with severity and volume of accusations merits at least some sort of review by a state agency, the courts, or a specialist in mediation/arbitration. Tell the truth and don't exaggerate in any affidavits or you will be subject to perjury. You are also potentially sacrificing anonymity. You can either post your account on the facebook website or you can send it to my e-mail, crobb@gwu.edu. I personally am glad that I went to Carlbrook in the long run. Less because of what Carlbrook did but because I did need a change of environment. There are good people there and it saddens me that their employment may be threatened by irresponsible and reckless decisions of their superiors. I do honestly believe every single person, aside from maybe one or two was convinced that they were helping us. However, this issue is bigger then whether you liked Carlbrook or the people there. This is about what is acceptable to do to people, no matter what they have done, against their will. This is about the type of breakdown that happens in many organizations that suffer from a closed, secretive management. There were several things that were unacceptable, regardless of your experience.
What was unacceptable was that Grant Price and others who ran groups and made explicitly "therapeutic decisions" has no formal training, education or certification to be providing mental health services (which is exactly what running a group therapy is doing). Carlbrook is not held to any standards in the provision of such services and that is a problem. There are a reason standards and regulations exist in this field (even if they have problems of their own). I think even those who cherished the experience realize that a lot of what went on was not OK and though intentions may not have been malicious by any party, kids were hurt and traumatized by the purposely constructed environment of acute stress and anxiety. Even if you could "take it" some couldn't. People are different. A one size fits all approach of breaking people down and building their identity back up may be useful in forming a cohesive military unit but it is not in treating kids for problems that in many instances are related to stress and anxiety in the first place. Creating an environment with the level of intensity and stress that Carlbrook did obviously will have different effects on different types of people. The degree of emotional invasiveness can also not be underestimated. Forcing people to disclose things they don't want to is simply unethical. Plain and simple. I see this as not an issue of whether or not you liked Carlbrook or certain people there. I see this as an issue of Carlbrook making egregious and harmful administrative errors and being held accountable like any other organization that provided you sub-standard services. If Johnson & Johnson sells defective Tylenol, like they did, they are held to account. Carlbrook purposely humiliated kids, engaged in arbitrary and bizarre punishment and the therapeutic relationships and incentives are certainly highly unethical if not illegal. I would like to know for certain if they are and what potential damage might have been inflicted. I would like to know if Carlbrook gave kids Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome which is a condition that worsens with age. I personally am not OK with so much of what went on at Carlbrook and think that a lack of accountability for past events or sweeping what happened "under the rug" would set a terrible precedent and would only encourage others to provide even worse services to kids. Carlbrook is attempting to legitimize and dilute a form of treatment that has been roundly rejected by medical professionals, the courts, and state agencies. Please join me in writing and notarizing an affidavit.