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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on November 29, 2006, 10:11:35 PM
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see here (http://http://www.freemasons.co.nz/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=374&sid=00ceef81e20e79363822820904246ea2)
I wonder what the hell he was doing in New Zealand. Only one post.
Yup. confirmed. Look here (http://http://www.idahoaf.am/Library/abstract139.pdf) Yup. page 3. Says he's the "Grand Orator".
he even did a talk here (http://http://arizonamasonry.org/3/newletter/Newletter0710.htm).
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Hmph. Not much surprise. Stupid motherfucker probably pretends he's an Illuminatus...
Although isn't his work being run out of Georgia instead of Idaho?
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not that I know of. I've only heard "bonners ferry, Idaho"
The whois information for strugglingteens.com:
Registrant:
Woodbury Reports Inc
PO Box 1107
Bonners Ferry, Idaho 83805
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: STRUGGLINGTEENS.COM
Created on: 20-Jul-98
Expires on: 18-Jul-15
Last Updated on: 10-May-06
Administrative Contact:
Campbell, Ron ron@woodbury.com (http://mailto:ron@woodbury.com)
Woobury Reports Inc
PO Box 1107
Bonners Ferry, Idaho 83805
United States
2082675550 Fax -- 2082679127
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.WOODBURY.COM
NS2.WOODBURY.COM
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Guess I had him confused with someone else. Thanks.
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Explains the attraction to the New Agey, Metaphysical foundation of the industry.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ury#225181 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=225181&highlight=woodbury#225181)
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So, what's my point? First, if you start tracing the history of influences on many of the schools in the network of Emotional Growth/ Therapeutic schools and programs, you usually wind up back to just a handful of early founders. Also, much of what is most successful and creative in the schools and programs in this network came directly out of the creative thinking and experimenting that occurred in the 1960s.
So what he is admitting to is that the entire friggin industry grows out of "experimentation" in the 60s... I wonder what kind of experimenting they were doing. :roll: [/quote]
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Yeh, est/Lifespring, confrontational, experimental 'therapies'. Read my next entry in that thread re: Aspen's pitch to Ed Cons?
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You know. I really don't like having been the subject of some cultist's idea of ideal therapy. It's clear to me it's trial and error based therapy.
Trial and error is find with troubleshooting computers. You can simply undo what you just tried, and try again. It's a little harder when your "error" does a swan dive into the pavement.
Yeah it happened at Benchmark. A kid couldn't take what counselor Joelle (no qualifications) had to say, and he killed himself directly after talking to her.
How in the FUCK are these people practicing psychology (even quack psychology) without a license. Are people completely stupid or don't they think you can damage somebody without physically harming them.
The north Vietnamese realized it was easier to break your prisoners by selectively being nice to them, than by beating them half to death. But that's where CEDU's brand of "therapy" differs from WWASP's "therapy".
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Now where is that ZenAgent? There is a poster that should have plenty to say on this topic...
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I could be missing something vital here but Big deal. I dont get what being a mason has to do with the crazy teen industry. If a bunch of sad middle aged men want to wear a dinner suit, pretend they invented everything and then get drunk and play ping pong once a week all power to them. Sure masons apparently love odd ritual and petty hierachy, but so do catholics. I dont get what the connection between masonry & the teen industry is or why this is relevant.
I think the fact that Lon has never seen a programme he didnt like and that he writes sicophantic reviews of every place he visits without asking a single probing question is they key issue. That and his love of Mel Wasserman and the CEDU cult mentality.
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Not so sure I can agree with you there TSW. There is not direct and easy to see connection; however, it is a fact that the Freemason's train their adherents to lie, when it will suits their need to stonewall, cover up, deflect and disengage any argument or criticism with their disturbing practices, and hidden agenda. Sound familiar?
And also, while this will upset our Mormon friends - the history of the LDS deeply involves freemasonry, and the two share the same organizational structure, an identical use of symbolism, and ceremonies, and the same "secret" aims for society. This may have something to do with what WWASP is doing - apart from the commonly shared goal to attain wealth by what ever means possible. Attaining wealth is what one common doctrines claim proves you are in favor with the higher powers. It matters not one whit if you lie and de-fraud to gain this wealth. The fact you have it, proves you are in favor with "god".
For more on the subject:
MASONRY'S "ROYAL SECRET"
http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fmnewage.htm (http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fmnewage.htm)
Quote:
On page 861 of Morals and Dogma of The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, "prepared for the Supreme Council of the Thirty-third Degree, for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, and Published by its Authority " in 1871, Albert Pike, Masonry's most distinguished authority, concludes his lengthy and authoritative work with these words:
"The Royal Secret, of which you are a Prince, if you are a true adept... is that which the Sohar [a book of the Kabalah] terms The Mystery of the Balance. It is the Secret of the Universal Equilibrium....Such, my Brother, is the True Word of a Master Mason; such the true Royal Secret, which makes possible, and shall at length make real, the Holy Empire of true Masonic Brotherhood." [Albert Pike, p.861, Morals and Dogma; L.H. Jenkins, Inc., Richmond, Va., 1924].
This statement discloses the ultimate goal of Masonry: to establish what Pike calls a "Holy Empire." This "empire" is to be a one-world government; it will be "holy" because it will be ruled by the Princes of the New Age World religion. This New World Order, Pike says, will be the "true Masonic Brotherhood."
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/ (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/)
Many people still do not understand the importance of studying this subject to its logical conclusion. Their spiritual freedom is at stake. Remember two things about Masonry:
1) Superior Masons deliberately lie to their fellow Masons, as those Masons "deserve to be mislead;"
2) Explanations given to 95% of all Masons are wrong. This quote from Masonic author, Carl Claudy sums it all up: "Cut through the outer shell and find a meaning; cut through that meaning and find another; under it, if you dig deep enough, you may find a third, a fourth -- who shall say how many teachings?" Many who are in Masonry are not aware that they are lied to. Finally, remember Albert Pike's bold assertion in Morals & Dogma, that "Masonry is identical to the ancient Mysteries," which means that all their teachings in all their books are precisely the same as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries. [p. 624, teachings of the 28th Degree]
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TSW: i never said there was. (although you could technically argue that Lon is a connection). I stumbled upon this accedentally and decided to post it here in case somebody else was trying to research lon's background.
Oz:
Yes i realize Freemasons are mostly benign. Still. Secret societies tend to give me the creeps.
My only point is that somebody in that type of cultish atmosphere might be more likely to respect other forms of secret rituals and cultish organizations.
"odd ritual and petty hierarchy" is what comprises a lot of "emotional growth." The details of the rituals, rules, regulations, and structure of the hierarchy but the purpose is the same: fanatical loyalty to an institution and the elevation of the group above the self.
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The FMW site has been re-vamped since the last time I went clicking around. I ran across the following. Scroll down a bit and look to the left. There is something I found interesting. And a bit creepy - considering the topic of this thread.
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/a_certain_point.html (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/a_certain_point.html)
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Yeah, the only connection I'd like to make is Jaques DeMolay got burned at the stake, and Woodbury...
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You know, if Woodbury's a Freemason, it's possible he's also a Shriner. In which case he might be involved in such nefarious schemes as building hospitals for crippled children. Horrors!
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He could, but he's more interested in making children crippled instead.
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http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/shriners.html (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/shriners.html)
Yes, he might be a Shriner. Wouldn't surprise me. He seems to be quite adept at appearing to be concerned with helping others, when in fact, he is all about self gratification an wealth accumulation; with no regard to the harm being done to others. Maintaining a good front, certainly helps keep the money rolling in.
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There is no Freemason conspiracy. Everyone tries to make a connection between the guys with fezes driving tiny cars in parades to the NWO. Ain't there. Tony Blair is a high-ranking Mason, and so what of it? If the Knights Templar moved into the lodges when they were hunted down, it was more for protection from His Bloodthirsty Holiness, the Pope. If Masons are still carrying out some Templar agenda, we should all be glad.
Now, Dubya Bush and his Skull and Bones cronies, THOSE are the bastards you need to keep an eye on. Creation of a ruling class, my ass. I wouldn't mind a weekend in Bohemian Grove, though.
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Bohemian Grove without hookers is like a martini without the olive.
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lon woodbury and michael allgood now run a new age group in california.
why did cascade close ?
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lon woodbury and michael allgood now run a new age group in california.
why did cascade close ?
Link?
I have a personal interest in nailing (not like that you perv) an ex Cascade counselor.
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lon woodbury and michael allgood now run a new age group in california.
why did cascade close ?
Sounds faggy. Lon always did come across as a fudgepacker.