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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 29, 2006, 07:32:40 PM
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I know...it sounds like a lot of bullshit, and I don't want to admit it, but despite the emotional abuse, the verbal assaults and the humiliation Elan provided me with the tools to evaluate my behavior and weigh the cause and effect of my decisions. It hasn't always worked, but for the most part I'm still alive and I'm not locked under a prison for the rest of my life. I hold no animosity towards Elan, the sadistic staff (there were some good staff members) and I'm over the injustice, anger and resentment that I held for so long.
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Exactly the point I have tried to make a number of times.
The little boys just need some attention
Its not about Elan anymore.Not for years.Still I understand a person in pain,and its obvious some of the posters here are injured.Get some help before you kill someone,yourself,or act out the distgusting fantasies you post about here.
Hate makes you the weak little fag you are seen as!
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Stockholm much?
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Stockholm much?
Do any of us from Elan stick our nose in your forum and talk about shit we havent a clue. Do you think you are helping someone here.or just making your contributions to be an asshole?
Problem or solution?
Which road are you traveling?
Milk gargler... You are as wanted here as much as we have enjoyed Dave's fecal stories.Go back to kissing Ginger's ass,there seems to be alot of that going on around here.
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I grew a lot emotionally after I was raped and am a much stronger and better person today. It sure doesn't mean the rape caused that growth or that any amount of strength gained was worth it. Don't confuse causation and correlation.
Art, shut the fuck up.
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I grew a lot emotionally after I was raped and am a much stronger and better person today. It sure doesn't mean the rape caused that growth or that any amount of strength gained was worth it. Don't confuse causation and correlation.
Art, shut the fuck up.
Ok Dave
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It's not Dave you fucking moron. Goddamn! Is it really that hard to believe that Dave isn't the only one who thinks your an asshole? I'm 40 years old, not to mention the wrong gender. Isn't Dave a kid?
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I grew a lot emotionally after I was raped and am a much stronger and better person today. It sure doesn't mean the rape caused that growth or that any amount of strength gained was worth it. Don't confuse causation and correlation.
Dave
Your rape seems to be well documented in another thread written today by another one of your favorite people. I think you really liked Marty's dick. You seem to talk an awful lot about it..
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I didn't go to Elan.
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Milkman, I sentence you to die by gargling manmilk.
Get on your knees bitch.
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Milkman, I sentence you to die by gargling manmilk.
Get on your knees bitch.
EEWwwwwwwwwwwwww
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It's not Dave you fucking moron. Goddamn! Is it really that hard to believe that Dave isn't the only one who thinks your an asshole? I'm 40 years old, not to mention the wrong gender. Isn't Dave a kid?
LOL, That gay old man called me Dave too when I asked him a Question. I guess he calls everyone that name.
He also talked about in another thread how he likes to dangle his balls from a male chin, talk about being a Fag? Ewwwwwww! The old man is on fire....Fuck, I hope when I reach my late 40's I dont turn into what he has become. Must be a mid life crisis coming out of the closet thing.
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Stockholm much?
Do any of us from Elan stick our nose in your forum and talk about shit we havent a clue. Do you think you are helping someone here.or just making your contributions to be an asshole?
Problem or solution?
Which road are you traveling?
Milk gargler... You are as wanted here as much as we have enjoyed Dave's fecal stories.Go back to kissing Ginger's ass,there seems to be alot of that going on around here.
You have to admit, that 1st post is the very definition of Stockholm syndrome.
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You have to admit, that 1st post is the very definition of Stockholm syndrome.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with you,though could be.
I still am of the belief that as bad as it was @ Elan for me. It IS over !
I think about it sometimes but again,its a very long time ago and I have moved on.Too many good things in life to experience without having to drag myself down. It is what is WAS. They will burn,one of them already has.
There are some things I learned there that are true in life today,but mostly was an injustice. It no longer has the effect on me that the 3 stooges portray here regularly.
The real Art
(the imposter is kinda funny)
do you do GW impersonations too?
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Then why are you still here? Obviously it effected different people different ways but because it's "over" for you it should be "over" for everyone else too? How selfish and arrogant.
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Remember when Patti Hearst was kidknapped and then she ended up robbing banks with her captors. Elan was like that in some aspects.
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Then why are you still here? Obviously it effected different people different ways but because it's "over" for you it should be "over" for everyone else too? How selfish and arrogant.
Who said that troll boy? If you were a little more "well read" here in this forum,you would see that I nhave posted a number of times that I understand how difficult this could/would be for the more recent "resident". I have total empathy for those in pain.Obviously all you know of me is what you read here,which makes you opinion...........................
the real Art
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That doesn't answer the question as to why you're still here. If it's over for you, move on.
I'm not Dave. I don't know Dave. I didn't go to Elan. I'm not a man and I'm much older than Dave is. Get over it.
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Remember posters "eloquence and dignity" that's what we're known for over here. :lol:
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Then why are you still here? Obviously it effected different people different ways but because it's "over" for you it should be "over" for everyone else too? How selfish and arrogant.
Wake up fool.
Just because Art claims its over for him doesnt mean he should have nothing to say about it.
Why does everything have to be a big controversial debate or argument here? The nature of people who communicate in the real world is to at least be polite and respectful towards each other even when they disagree because in the real world, if youre not, you get run out of any discussion unless its in a freakin trailer park.
You seem to follow the popular trend here of drawing conclusions without much consideration for all the things you DONT know, rather than the facts as they are presented.
Though the example you provide is the far end of the spectrum here with all the fiction, the guessing games about who posts what, and the outright vulgar stupid comments...Cancer is cancer and you have to cut all of it out for it to go away.
You should go away, and ask yourself what you expect to accomplish here.
Are you here to keep Art or anyone else in compliance with your own policies? Do you think youre going to find your own resolve to your issues with Elan in a crowd of morons and people who have NOT "gotten over it"?
I dont participate in the discussion here. It is pointless. Im not sure why I chose this post to start and I honestly dont expect anything to change but heres a thought:
All the little stupid things that most of the people here have to say are becoming the norm.
Its not too far fetched to think that a realistic truthful post now and then is just as much of a shock to all the stupid fucking trolls here as the shit they post is to the rest of us sane civil people who follow a simple concept of being respectful, honest and offer a little decency to a discussion....or elect to say nothing at all.
So you think Art should go away...
How selfish and arrogant of you.
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I've been reading Art's drivel for a few years now. I'm well aware of his communication skill, or lack thereof.
And I guess you haven't bothered to read my posts throughly. I didn't go to Elan.
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Oh , and I will say this before the simple minded trolls come in and accuse me of defending or supporting Arts point of view.
I dont.
Art needs to shut the hell up too instead of responding to every fucking anon post directed at him with even more trailer park intellectual dialog.
Fornits could be a constructive place to discuss and disect the Elan experience.
At this point I think that is impossible.
Does anyone disagree?
Art, Ill assume your intentions are good, but the question is, even if you could wave your magic wand and turn this pile of shit into a slice of lemon cake....would you eat it?
Not me.
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I've been reading Art's drivel for a few years now. I'm well aware of his communication skill, or lack thereof.
And I guess you haven't bothered to read my posts throughly. I didn't go to Elan.
Does the post have a point, other than to prove you missed the point of mine?
First of all, I dont see anywhere in the above quote where you state you didnt go to Elan do you?
So theres a post a few back that says it....are we all supposed to guess that was you?
Second. What difference does it make what Art has had to say in the past...Ive read it too. You suggest Art shouldnt be here because he's gotten over the effects of Elan.
That makes no sense considering that he may have something to offer people who havnt. Sure, I kinda doubt it too...But as you say, you DIDNT go to Elan...So who the fuck are YOU to suggest someone who did leave the discussion.
Again, selfish and arrogant.
Deal with it.
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No, I suggest Art leave because he hates most people here. He says he's over Elan, he doesn't really like anyone here and IMO doesn't really contribute much so I was asking why he was still here. I didn't say Go Away Art, although others have.
If you couldn't figure out that you were talking to the same anon then I can't help you. I didn't have a problem picking yours out.
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This was the first post in this thread.
I know...it sounds like a lot of bullshit, and I don't want to admit it, but despite the emotional abuse, the verbal assaults and the humiliation Elan provided me with the tools to evaluate my behavior and weigh the cause and effect of my decisions. It hasn't always worked, but for the most part I'm still alive and I'm not locked under a prison for the rest of my life. I hold no animosity towards Elan, the sadistic staff (there were some good staff members) and I'm over the injustice, anger and resentment that I held for so long.
Art responded with this.
Exactly the point I have tried to make a number of times.
The little boys just need some attention
Its not about Elan anymore.Not for years.Still I understand a person in pain,and its obvious some of the posters here are injured.Get some help before you kill someone,yourself,or act out the distgusting fantasies you post about here.
Hate makes you the weak little fag you are seen as!
If he's truly interested in just carrying on a discussion why does he have to bring up the "little boys" and tell them to kill themselves?
Again, I didn't tell Art to go away, I simply asked why he was still here.
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This was the first post in this thread.
I know...it sounds like a lot of bullshit, and I don't want to admit it, but despite the emotional abuse, the verbal assaults and the humiliation Elan provided me with the tools to evaluate my behavior and weigh the cause and effect of my decisions. It hasn't always worked, but for the most part I'm still alive and I'm not locked under a prison for the rest of my life. I hold no animosity towards Elan, the sadistic staff (there were some good staff members) and I'm over the injustice, anger and resentment that I held for so long.
Art responded with this.
Exactly the point I have tried to make a number of times.
The little boys just need some attention
Its not about Elan anymore.Not for years.Still I understand a person in pain,and its obvious some of the posters here are injured.Get some help before you kill someone,yourself,or act out the distgusting fantasies you post about here.
Hate makes you the weak little fag you are seen as!
If he's truly interested in just carrying on a discussion why does he have to bring up the "little boys" and tell them to kill themselves?
Again, I didn't tell Art to go away, I simply asked why he was still here.
Plz show us all where Art told anyone to kill themselves. I know I shouldnt respond to this troll,but really.Get over yourself ! Try posting,acting positive.Ya know,like you are actually not as miserable as the things you post. You want to make everything trivial into something monumental.what is your purpose? can you not excuse someone else' opinion and find truth in whats written,no matter how its written or by whom?
rhetorical...
the real Art
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If you differentiated yourself from the other "guests" somehow you might get a civil response from Art. He has been attacked by so many "guests" that he responds defensively automatically.
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If you differentiated yourself from the other "guests" somehow you might get a civil response from Art. He has been attacked by so many "guests" that he responds defensively automatically.
And.... If I dont,any number of others will and pretend to be me
kind of amusing,yet vile and putrid
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If you differentiated yourself from the other "guests" somehow you might get a civil response from Art. He has been attacked by so many "guests" that he responds defensively automatically.
Did you see the first two posts in this thread? Art's response to the initial post is what I'm talking about.
Believe me Art, we can tell the difference between you and your imposters.
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I still haven't gotten an answer. Why are you here Art. What are you hoping to accomplish?
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Just pick a stupid moniker. Like DUMMASS 01 or something. Maybe it's just me but you can only take what a guest says at face value. Probably 50% of the time it's someone posing as someone else.
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Take it any way you want it, I don't care. I don't want to register.
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I don't blame you. If I hadn't a long time ago I'm not sure I'd be posting now. Too late for me :lol: Seriously though I'm not that paranoid. I don't get spam or anything. I don't see why you would have anything to be worried about.
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I'm sorry you don't, but I have my reasons. Why do I owe you an explanation?
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If you differentiated yourself from the other "guests" somehow you might get a civil response from Art. He has been attacked by so many "guests" that he responds defensively automatically.
Did you see the first two posts in this thread? Art's response to the initial post is what I'm talking about.
Believe me Art, we can tell the difference between you and your imposters.
I did and it may have been misdirected,but how do you know? Really makes having any real conversation difficult.
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I'm sorry you don't, but I have my reasons. Why do I owe you an explanation?
I did'nt ask you for one. You are starting to fit the description of a troll maybe.
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I did'nt ask you for one.
Yeah, ya kinda did.....
Seriously though I'm not that paranoid. I don't get spam or anything. I don't see why you would have anything to be worried about.
You are starting to fit the description of a troll maybe.
Umm, ok. I can't stop you from thinking that, but I'm not.
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Kinda,sorta? I stated my opinion that's all. Like I said I can easily come up with more than a few reasons not to register.
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Ok. Are you bored yet? I am.
I'm not going to register because I don't feel like registering. If that means that you or others don't take my posts seriously or think I'm a troll, well so be it.
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Bored? yes,very which is why I'm here. The other boards are actually of some interest because over there the participants are making things happen to close the schools that screwed them. Check it out sometime if you haven't already
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Then why are you still here? Obviously it effected different people different ways but because it's "over" for you it should be "over" for everyone else too? How selfish and arrogant.
Wake up fool.
Just because Art claims its over for him doesnt mean he should have nothing to say about it.
Why does everything have to be a big controversial debate or argument here? The nature of people who communicate in the real world is to at least be polite and respectful towards each other even when they disagree because in the real world, if youre not, you get run out of any discussion unless its in a freakin trailer park.
You seem to follow the popular trend here of drawing conclusions without much consideration for all the things you DONT know, rather than the facts as they are presented.
Though the example you provide is the far end of the spectrum here with all the fiction, the guessing games about who posts what, and the outright vulgar stupid comments...Cancer is cancer and you have to cut all of it out for it to go away.
You should go away, and ask yourself what you expect to accomplish here.
Are you here to keep Art or anyone else in compliance with your own policies? Do you think youre going to find your own resolve to your issues with Elan in a crowd of morons and people who have NOT "gotten over it"?
I dont participate in the discussion here. It is pointless. Im not sure why I chose this post to start and I honestly dont expect anything to change but heres a thought:
All the little stupid things that most of the people here have to say are becoming the norm.
Its not too far fetched to think that a realistic truthful post now and then is just as much of a shock to all the stupid fucking trolls here as the shit they post is to the rest of us sane civil people who follow a simple concept of being respectful, honest and offer a little decency to a discussion....or elect to say nothing at all.
So you think Art should go away...
How selfish and arrogant of you.
nice to see you again,am beginning to like you,but you really are a little early
peace
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Bored? yes,very which is why I'm here. The other boards are actually of some interest because over there the participants are making things happen to close the schools that screwed them. Check it out sometime if you haven't already
I've done my part over these last years and I'll continue to do so as I see fit. Just like I'll post as I see fit.
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nice to see you again,am beginning to like you,but you really are a little early
peace
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Dude, dont post when youre drunk.
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Bored? yes,very which is why I'm here. The other boards are actually of some interest because over there the participants are making things happen to close the schools that screwed them. Check it out sometime if you haven't already
I've done my part over these last years and I'll continue to do so as I see fit. Just like I'll post as I see fit.
...And we'll keep telling you to fuck off and die.
I think youre full of shit anyway. Youre not a female, you did go to Elan, and you post half the shit in here that no-one wants to read.
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nice to see you again,am beginning to like you,but you really are a little early
peace
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Dude, dont post when youre drunk.
If you're too stupid to figure it out I can't help you.
And stop calling me dude!
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...And we'll keep telling you to fuck off and die.
Ok.
I think youre full of shit anyway. Youre not a female, you did go to Elan, and you post half the shit in here that no-one wants to read.
Like I said before, I can't help what you think. Believe what you want.
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I think youre full of shit anyway. Youre not a female, you did go to Elan, and you post half the shit in here that no-one wants to read
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How many times has this game been played ? Arent you a little old for this shit>? There is noone new here.And if someone did happene to stumble upon your vomit bag called fornits,do you really think they would stay?
STFU
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There is noone new here.And if someone did happene to stumble upon your vomit bag called fornits,do you really think they would stay?
You did.
:rofl:
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I am a former Elan resident. I have been coming here approx 5 yrs
During that time I have met up with,and gained contact with a number of good people who I enjoy in person,on the phone and via email.If the squirrels would quit playing this game of hiding their nuts(most havent any) this could be a better place and then,maybe then something of a positive nature could be obtained here. But its been this way a very long time and I have my doubts.
Each and every person that has come here has been run out by Dave,Jordan,Andy. God forbid you are a woman that comes here and the abuse is far worse.
This is the way Ginger wants it. We have been set up to look as sick as the 3 stooges.I have fed it myself and not proud of it.But alas,I am not going anywhere. I do have a purpose,and some here know all about it,.Others will be informed as needed.Till then,flame away!
Oh and I am only 43.
Yesterday was my B-day and was a great day.Went to Ruth Chris last night,Going to a great Sushi Rest tonight. You stay here dave and make sure you write something horrible,all the sickest people in the world are counting on it.
Peace
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I am a former Elan resident. I have been coming here approx 5 yrs
During that time I have met up with,and gained contact with a number of good people who I enjoy in person,on the phone and via email.If the squirrels would quit playing this game of hiding their nuts(most havent any) this could be a better place and then,maybe then something of a positive nature could be obtained here. But its been this way a very long time and I have my doubts.
Each and every person that has come here has been run out by Dave,Jordan,Andy. God forbid you are a woman that comes here and the abuse is far worse.
This is the way Ginger wants it. We have been set up to look as sick as the 3 stooges.I have fed it myself and not proud of it.But alas,I am not going anywhere. I do have a purpose,and some here know all about it,.Others will be informed as needed.Till then,flame away!
Oh and I am only 43.
Yesterday was my B-day and was a great day.Went to Ruth Chris last night,Going to a great Sushi Rest tonight. You stay here dave and make sure you write something horrible,all the sickest people in the world are counting on it.
Peace
Ginger didn't design this with any motivation other than free speech. She didn't set you or anyone else up. Her intention was to create an open forum where nobody can censor or control what other people write. Ya gotta take the good with the bad. I can't stand it when the half-witted nazi wannabes hold their rallies and spew out their ignorant bullshit, but they've got the right to say it. They only make themselves look like idiots, much like the children here.
This isn't the only message board out there ya know. If you guys are so disgusted with the Elan forum (and I can't blame you) why not start your own? That's an honest question, I'm not trying to suggest anyone leave but if this one is that bad (and it appears to be) then why not create one where you can have a dialog the way you'd like? Why should it be Ginger's responsibility to police what y'all say here?
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I am a former Elan resident. I have been coming here approx 5 yrs
During that time I have met up with,and gained contact with a number of good people who I enjoy in person,on the phone and via email.If the squirrels would quit playing this game of hiding their nuts(most havent any) this could be a better place and then,maybe then something of a positive nature could be obtained here. But its been this way a very long time and I have my doubts.
Each and every person that has come here has been run out by Dave,Jordan,Andy. God forbid you are a woman that comes here and the abuse is far worse.
This is the way Ginger wants it. We have been set up to look as sick as the 3 stooges.I have fed it myself and not proud of it.But alas,I am not going anywhere. I do have a purpose,and some here know all about it,.Others will be informed as needed.Till then,flame away!
Oh and I am only 43.
Yesterday was my B-day and was a great day.Went to Ruth Chris last night,Going to a great Sushi Rest tonight. You stay here dave and make sure you write something horrible,all the sickest people in the world are counting on it.
Peace
Ginger didn't design this with any motivation other than free speech. She didn't set you or anyone else up. Her intention was to create an open forum where nobody can censor or control what other people write. Ya gotta take the good with the bad. I can't stand it when the half-witted nazi wannabes hold their rallies and spew out their ignorant bullshit, but they've got the right to say it. They only make themselves look like idiots, much like the children here.
This isn't the only message board out there ya know. If you guys are so disgusted with the Elan forum (and I can't blame you) why not start your own? That's an honest question, I'm not trying to suggest anyone leave but if this one is that bad (and it appears to be) then why not create one where you can have a dialog the way you'd like? Why should it be Ginger's responsibility to police what y'all say here?
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I am a former Elan resident. I have been coming here approx 5 yrs
During that time I have met up with,and gained contact with a number of good people who I enjoy in person,on the phone and via email.If the squirrels would quit playing this game of hiding their nuts(most havent any) this could be a better place and then,maybe then something of a positive nature could be obtained here. But its been this way a very long time and I have my doubts.
Each and every person that has come here has been run out by Dave,Jordan,Andy. God forbid you are a woman that comes here and the abuse is far worse.
This is the way Ginger wants it. We have been set up to look as sick as the 3 stooges.I have fed it myself and not proud of it.But alas,I am not going anywhere. I do have a purpose,and some here know all about it,.Others will be informed as needed.Till then,flame away!
Oh and I am only 43.
Yesterday was my B-day and was a great day.Went to Ruth Chris last night,Going to a great Sushi Rest tonight. You stay here dave and make sure you write something horrible,all the sickest people in the world are counting on it.
Peace
Ginger didn't design this with any motivation other than free speech. She didn't set you or anyone else up. Her intention was to create an open forum where nobody can censor or control what other people write. Ya gotta take the good with the bad. I can't stand it when the half-witted nazi wannabes hold their rallies and spew out their ignorant bullshit, but they've got the right to say it. They only make themselves look like idiots, much like the children here.
This isn't the only message board out there ya know. If you guys are so disgusted with the Elan forum (and I can't blame you) why not start your own? That's an honest question, I'm not trying to suggest anyone leave but if this one is that bad (and it appears to be) then why not create one where you can have a dialog the way you'd like? Why should it be Ginger's responsibility to police what y'all say here?
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Ginger didn't design this with any motivation other than free speech.
Sorry. This site defies the nature of free speech.
Anyone wanna guess why?
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Didnt think so.
The freedom of speech does NOT remove accountability for what you say.
Say what you want in the real world, you have to answer to it.
But not here.
Think about that for a minute.
You call Art a homosexual and harass him in the real world...you get arrested. for harassment.
Here, nothing happens. And thats the ONLY reason the fucking trolls in here do it. No consequences.
And I hate to break hearts, but thats the same fucking reason they were sent to Elan, and hated it.
Consequences.
Boo fuckin Hoo
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This isn't the only message board out there ya know. If you guys are so disgusted with the Elan forum (and I can't blame you) why not start your own? That's an honest question, I'm not trying to suggest anyone leave but if this one is that bad (and it appears to be) then why not create one where you can have a dialog the way you'd like? Why should it be Ginger's responsibility to police what y'all say here?
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This isn't the only message board out there ya know. If you guys are so disgusted with the Elan forum (and I can't blame you) why not start your own? That's an honest question, I'm not trying to suggest anyone leave but if this one is that bad (and it appears to be) then why not create one where you can have a dialog the way you'd like? Why should it be Ginger's responsibility to police what y'all say here?
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Ginger didn't design this with any motivation other than free speech.
Sorry. This site defies the nature of free speech.
Anyone wanna guess why?
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Didnt think so.
The freedom of speech does NOT remove accountability for what you say.
Say what you want in the real world, you have to answer to it.
But not here.
Think about that for a minute.
You call Art a homosexual and harass him in the real world...you get arrested. for harassment.
Here, nothing happens. And thats the ONLY reason the fucking trolls in here do it. No consequences.
And I hate to break hearts, but thats the same fucking reason they were sent to Elan, and hated it.
Consequences.
Boo fuckin Hoo
In response to this post, Art potrayed himself as a homosexual. He has said countless times how he wanted certain male beings to come to his home and suck his penis.
Now what the fuck do you call that? He also talked about giving blow jobs for a nickel, yea, he's real hedrosexual. NOT.
And BTW, one can't be arrested for harrassment in real life for calling someone a homosexual, you need to get your head out of your ass. You do not know jack shit about what you are talking about.
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Almost forgot.. One can be arrested for threatening another persons life, and in this case Art recently made another credible threat that he wanted someone to come to his house so he can and I quote " Kick their ass".
There is also other credible threats that he also made in the past that can warrant an arrest. Those are called Terrositic Threats, and even though they were made on the internet, Law still prevails.
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In response to this post, Art potrayed himself as a homosexual. He has said countless times how he wanted certain male beings to come to his home and suck his penis.
Now what the fuck do you call that? He also talked about giving blow jobs for a nickel, yea, he's real hedrosexual. NOT.
And BTW, one can't be arrested for harrassment in real life for calling someone a homosexual, I want you to get your head out of your ass. You do not know jack shit about what you are talking about.
Pay attention. HARASSMENT IS A CRIME.
HARASSING someone for their sexual preference IS A CRIME.
Just thought I'd give you a heads up. Youre obviously not educated beyond a fifth grade level.
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Pay attention. HARASSMENT IS A CRIME.
HARASSING someone for their sexual preference IS A CRIME.
Just thought I'd give you a heads up. Youre obviously not educated beyond a fifth grade level.
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Yeah, yeah. How many times has litigation been threatened? How many times has anyone actually followed through?
End of story.
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Pay attention. HARASSMENT IS A CRIME.
HARASSING someone for their sexual preference IS A CRIME.
Just thought I'd give you a heads up. Youre obviously not educated beyond a fifth grade level.
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Yeah, yeah. How many times has litigation been threatened? How many times has anyone actually followed through?
End of story.
Thats not the point stupid. The point is freedom of speech...
It does not apply here because accountability does not apply.
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In response to this post, Art potrayed himself as a homosexual. He has said countless times how he wanted certain male beings to come to his home and suck his penis.
Now what the fuck do you call that? He also talked about giving blow jobs for a nickel, yea, he's real hedrosexual. NOT.
And BTW, one can't be arrested for harrassment in real life for calling someone a homosexual, I want you to get your head out of your ass. You do not know jack shit about what you are talking about.
Pay attention. HARASSMENT IS A CRIME.
HARASSING someone for their sexual preference IS A CRIME.
Just thought I'd give you a heads up. Youre obviously not educated beyond a fifth grade level.
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So is solicitation for sex on the internet..And even worse, solicitaion on a message board whereas a minor could easily read it. I'd say you painted yourself in a corner pretty damn good. And if and when that paint should dry, I don't think you are gonna be able to walk on it without leaving tracks for someone to see.
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Though my outlook on Elan is not a nice picture, but I do admit it taught me to be better at being vindictive. Before coming to Elan, I would act off my anger which could've resulted in being arrested for assult of something, now I use the law to the fulliest extent as a weapon to get back at someone.
I guess booking all those incidents trained me to be a prick and a
"By the book" person.
Though I fought Elan all the way until I was old enough to leave on my own will by signing out. I did prove all wrong that I didn't need some treatment phacility to guide me down the correct path of the road to a more progressful, successful life, I accomplished that on my own.
I really see no difference in what Elan does vs what a teen does wrong in his life, with the exception of it being done by the law and it being the right way.
Elan had the incident book where one can book another student for a wrongfull action. Most of the students learned to use the incident book as a weapon to mostly get back at another peer that they didn't like, I know I did. There were some real fucking Brats in that place with me that just didn't belong there.
And after awhile I adapted using Elans incident book as a means of getting back at the assholes who were just plain assholes all the time. I find it more gratifying now using this same method in life today.
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You can't be serious. So your saying basically that you are a rat prick bastard and proud of it. Are you in witness protection? I hope your just posing on here for your sake.
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I did prove all wrong that I didn't need some treatment phacility .
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Phacility.
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Though my outlook on Elan is not a nice picture, but I do admit it taught me to be better at being vindictive. Before coming to Elan, I would act off my anger which could've resulted in being arrested for assult of something, now I use the law to the fulliest extent as a weapon to get back at someone.
I guess booking all those incidents trained me to be a prick and a
"By the book" person.
Though I fought Elan all the way until I was old enough to leave on my own will by signing out. I did prove all wrong that I didn't need some treatment phacility to guide me down the correct path of the road to a more progressful, successful life, I accomplished that on my own.
I really see no difference in what Elan does vs what a teen does wrong in his life, with the exception of it being done by the law and it being the right way.
Elan had the incident book where one can book another student for a wrongfull action. Most of the students learned to use the incident book as a weapon to mostly get back at another peer that they didn't like, I know I did. There were some real fucking Brats in that place with me that just didn't belong there.
And after awhile I adapted using Elans incident book as a means of getting back at the assholes who were just plain assholes all the time. I find it more gratifying now using this same method in life today.
Who would of guessed that ?
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I know...it sounds like a lot of bullshit, and I don't want to admit it, but despite the emotional abuse, the verbal assaults and the humiliation Elan provided me with the tools to evaluate my behavior and weigh the cause and effect of my decisions. It hasn't always worked, but for the most part I'm still alive and I'm not locked under a prison for the rest of my life. I hold no animosity towards Elan, the sadistic staff (there were some good staff members) and I'm over the injustice, anger and resentment that I held for so long.
Prime example of a successful brainwashing event that elan suceeded on performing on you. I think we call them Elan-Bots if not mistaken. How can you live with yourself knowing that Elan got the best of you?
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Prime example of a successful brainwashing event that elan suceeded on performing on you. I think we call them Elan-Bots if not mistaken. How can you live with yourself knowing that Elan got the best of you?
We have discussed this a number of times.Many people ARE over it.The real question I have is who the fuck are you to pass judgement on anyone?
Especially with the elan lite that you attended.I am convinced beyond a doubt that the elan you attended was far more damaging,in spite of the lack of physical abuse. I am very grateful for the lifelong friendships that I have as a result of my time in Maine.
Again no secret what landed you there kid.Too bad Joe wasnt around during your stay.that crazy fucker would have made a man out of you,instead of this fucking brat we see.
The Real Art
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As stated: You were defeated by Elan staff. They manipulated your brain and trained you into thinking what they wanted you to become.
Elan really helped you , so you say? Care to explain why you turned to the bottle for so many years? Surely there must be a reason? People just don't wake up one day and say
" Hey you know what?, I think I'm gonna become an alcoholic."
I'd say you are far from being normal. You glamorizie and openly admit about being a gay by posting crap about bj's and nut sacks dangling from a chin, that is far from being normal. I'd say you have some serious issues, and Elan is a huge cause of it. Elan made you into an alcoholic asshole, bar none. You say you are over it? Then why ion the hell do you continue to lurk at this forum? That's right, lurk. You are obsessed with this particular forum. You come here day in and day out and for what? You attended Elan in 81 right? I was there 6-7 years after you. I saw rings, non-stop verbal abuse, people wearing mops around their neck for punishment, people having their shoe laces and pants taken away because it was a privelege to have them. People wearing multiple signs around their neck, knocking on doors 10 times a day. scrubbing bathrooms with a brush, even know they were clean, what possibly is lite about that? What in 81 did they beat you with a broom stick or something? I witnessed the same shit you did too asshole, big fuckin deal. I also seen Joe R in action in General meetings close to 10 times, and yes he was a nasty, short tempered man. I even seen corner people tied in restraints at night so they wouldn't spilt on their S.P's. Nothing lite about my stay compared to what Elan is today. I was the smart one, and was saved by my Birthday and excercised my right to sign out of that hell hole. What are you proud or something because you stayed the entire 18 months?
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In the early 90's Elan was STILL chock full of "abuse". I saw and heard some of the most frighteneing things in my entire life when I was in Elan.
It is all a matter of opinion.
I thought "GM'S" got carried away 9x outta 10. Only 1x did I see an incident worthy of the "in your face spitting verbal abuse session" that was passed off as "therapy". Even that I am still undecided about.
Does a person who refused to "GI" a trash can really deserve to be called a "Mother fucking loser that is going to end up a piece of trash laying in the gutter with a needle hangin outta his arm" at the age of "14"? BTW: This kid NEVER did drugs nor has he even seen drugs.
My favorite was a 15 year old girl being called a "Slut bag" for flirting with a boy she found cute.My oh my! Imagine adolescents having a "crush" on someone? That is unheard of!
I used to watch people "chomping at the bit" to get up there and start spitting and screaming at someone. Others did it so they would not end up in said persons position. Basically they were "scared" into it. Some were actually friends of said person and wanted their friend to cut the shit so he/she does not have to suffer this again.
The last 2 types I can understand but the 1st type is a sicko.
Imagine getting off on terrorizing a person in such a manner. Disgusting.
If you're one of the wack a doodles that intentionally scape goated a "weaker" student of your house you are nothing but a sociopath.
Climbing on people to raise your status is nothing to be proud of at all. Making coordinator by booking the house "misfit" is no great feat.
If these poor people still "practice" this way of thinking/acting in their everday life they must be pretty miserable fucks.
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"The last 2 types I can understand but the 1st type is a sicko."
Not necessarily. Sometimes people actually believed that "this house is a family" shit and were determined to defend the "family." That got them really driven to shout down the person getting GMed. Wasn't right but they were brainwashed and didn't know much better.
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I agree with you. I forget that we were all very young. Under 18. Some people had been shuffled around so much before Elan that they were happy to finally have a place to set up camp for a while.
Some had family some did not.
My father and I had a very rocky relationship in my early teens BUT he still loved me enough to question Elan's methods. He was powerless to remove me at that point in time. Try he did though. When he told Tanya he was going to either send me a ticket or pick me up to come home to attend my NaNa's funeral Tanya told him I was "suicidal". My dad laughed at her and she threatened to call the courts that placed me in Elan and report him for removing me before my discharge date. I was due to be discharged about 1 month after the funeral BTW. Ain't that some shit?
It was sad to me when I saw the kids who were very lonely latch onto staff members. I remember one girl who stalked one female staff member. She did everything possible in her power to get this persons attention. She was an ok kid when you forgot about her "single white female" type obsession with the staff lady.
People used to really bitch the poor kid out and it was sad to see it. Her loneliness and their attitudes towards a lonely young girl. Out of everyone there this staff member was not 1/2 bad. Maybe a little less than 1/2.
Besides isn't adolescence a time in life when people start picking out role models? Isn't that why people are always bitching out celebrities who keep screwin up?
It is funny how so many things I see here remind me of shit I forgot about for so long.
I guess when the people in Elan are the ONLY "family" one has had in a very long time it is easy to fall into being "brain washed" into defending your family against the enemy.
I was very surprised we were not all lined up looking for the Halle-Bop Comet with our paper cups of Kool-Aid at our sides.
Oh well time to go do some more productive shit before my day starts again in 13 or so more hours.
Your a slave to money then you die.
If you don't have money you don't eat nor do you have a roof over your head. Unless you like the whole soup kitchen/shelter scene.
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Elan sucked!!! I'm glad Joe Ricci is dead! Kate Barry rocked though. I understand that it is all fun, games and poetry reading now. Fucking lame!!! Those people were abusive, especially that Linda lady & her Coke & Cigarettes, and Claire was and I am sure still is a white trash BITCH!!!!! WE WERE KIDS! They didn't give a shit. I got in trouble because I didn't want to yell at people for being KIDS!
I swear I'm not bitter! Hahahaha!!!
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As stated: You were defeated by Elan staff. They manipulated your brain and trained you into thinking what they wanted you to become.
Elan really helped you , so you say? Care to explain why you turned to the bottle for so many years? Surely there must be a reason? People just don't wake up one day and say
" Hey you know what?, I think I'm gonna become an alcoholic."
I'd say you are far from being normal. You glamorizie and openly admit about being a gay by posting crap about bj's and nut sacks dangling from a chin, that is far from being normal. I'd say you have some serious issues, and Elan is a huge cause of it. Elan made you into an alcoholic asshole, bar none. You say you are over it? Then why ion the hell do you continue to lurk at this forum? That's right, lurk. You are obsessed with this particular forum. You come here day in and day out and for what? You attended Elan in 81 right? I was there 6-7 years after you. I saw rings, non-stop verbal abuse, people wearing mops around their neck for punishment, people having their shoe laces and pants taken away because it was a privelege to have them. People wearing multiple signs around their neck, knocking on doors 10 times a day. scrubbing bathrooms with a brush, even know they were clean, what possibly is lite about that? What in 81 did they beat you with a broom stick or something? I witnessed the same shit you did too asshole, big fuckin deal. I also seen Joe R in action in General meetings close to 10 times, and yes he was a nasty, short tempered man. I even seen corner people tied in restraints at night so they wouldn't spilt on their S.P's. Nothing lite about my stay compared to what Elan is today. I was the smart one, and was saved by my Birthday and excercised my right to sign out of that hell hole. What are you proud or something because you stayed the entire 18 months?
Are you kidding me? Strange as it may seem,alot of things said about AA here are true.there are prob 100's of reasons i turned to a bottle.Elan may have even been one.
But I havent had a drink in over 10 years.One thing ive learned is that over time I have healed tremendously. AA was a huge factor in it. But AA has become something that i find counter-productive in my life. There are very few meetings i want to attend. The real AA is in these dingy places where the real deal is about not drinking. Not all this fanatasizm that is found in most other groups.
I dont see the whole proud of being at Elan thing,though i will tell you,as will many of the residents from Elan 6,that I was a fair,good man,with compassion.I still get a x-mas card from one of them every year since. Well over 25 yrs.Some have come to Chicago and other places I have lived to see me....This I am proud of.
I hope this answers your questions
If you have any more,just call me,its not like i dont recognize your style of writing after all this time
Oh and the posts about the sexual stuff ?
Just something that makes me smile after i read all of your sick shit that you post.Its funny to read the threads and threads of crap that you post following any type of homosexual inuendo.
In fact it may be for effect and entertainment (yes I am kinda twisted too) For you,it shows the world what you are.Who cares who ! :rofl:
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For cryin out loud people. Elan sucked no matter who you were or what part of the dichotomy you were in.
How much shit did we see and could not say jack about it for fear of punishment.
People knew what went down was not right but it would be them against the "system" if they were to stick up for someone being treated a little to rough.
One time I stood up in a GM and said something to the extent of "this is all bullshit. She does not deserve to be up there. Why don't you punish the jerks that provoked her knowing she had anger control issues" I got booked AND got demoted to ramrod of kitchen from expeditor. Jerks yelled at me in group too.
They were strength so the staff put their precious kids on a pedestal and claimed they could do no wrong.
Without others to back up your story you may as well sit the f*ck down and try to remain under the radar.
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