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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 16, 2006, 08:08:10 PM
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www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org)
WHO'S WATCHING THE KIDS? VIEW DOCUMENTARY ONLINE
Don't miss a minute of this compelling PBS Documentary regarding schools and programs in Montana. Producer Anna Rau explores the teen help industry and the need for Federal Regulations in private Boarding Schools in Montana.
You can view it online or purchase a copy.[/img]
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I give it a 3/5. It's a good documentary but does little to expose the scope of the problem.
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Did the link work for you? I've tried several times and it says the sites not available. Even tried montanapbs.org. No luck
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Works fine here.
Although please don't link to CAICA on this board. It only goes after the abuse that doesn't pay it. Kinda like a Mafia protection thing.
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Works fine here.
Although please don't link to CAICA on this board. It only goes after the abuse that doesn't pay it. Kinda like a Mafia protection thing.
I was wondering why the documentary was WWASP only. Well now i feel stupid.
Anybody know of any CEDU documentaries. I need it to show to some people.
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Try again, it's working. My opinion is that as an introduction to this industry it was good (how much can you do in an hour?) And that it addresses clearly the lack of any oversight and how serious that problem is.
Anyone can open up a program in Montana with no oversight at all and they made that clear. I liked the interviews with Congressman Miller, and Ken Kay, that speaks for itself. What did you think of the Sanders Sheriff? And the owner? The answers, or lack thereof, kind of speak for themselves. These things are what will leave a lasting impression, I think, with the viewer.
I give it two thumbs up and am happy to see something out there that addresses the problems. I suppose anyone who is not happy with it should look into putting a documentary together, or calling their local PBS station, or whatever, and seeing about having another one done.
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It's not just about WWASPS - it's about 30 programs in Montana and I think only one of those is WWASPS. Get over it already.
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It's not just about WWASPS - it's about 30 programs in Montana and I think only one of those is WWASPS. Get over it already.
You're right. Maybe i missed it. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to which program in the Docu. was not WWASP affiliated. Don't take it like i'm trying to be a smart ass. I actually am curious if I missed something.
Don't get me wrong. It's a great documentary. I gave it a 3/5 because i'm a really tough critic and want to save the 4/5 and 5/5 for later documentaries which might surpass this in quality.
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psy,
Search this site for Montana and read up on what's happening there. In a word, Self-Regulation. Want to talk about Twilight Zone Bizarre. Three programs are heading up the research into whether or not programs should be licensed in Montana and if so apprear to be the ones who will structure any such regulations. Under the Dept of Labor!!! Wouldn't you feel safe knowing the hospital you're having surgery in next week created their own regulations?
I still haven't seen it, but I give it a 5/5. It wasn't intended as an expose on the industry, just what is happening right now in Montana.
Who?s watching the kids?
by John S. Adams
One year ago, the Montana Board of Private Alternative Adolescent Residential or Outdoor Programs (PAARP) had their first meeting in Helena, whereupon members began considering the future of regulation of Montana?s lucrative teen-help industry. Created during the 2005 legislative session, the board set forth to ?examine the benefit of licensing private adolescent residential or outdoor programs,? of which there are about 30 in Montana.
Around the time the board was beginning its work, Montana PBS producer Anna Rau began her own investigation of the state?s $40-million-a-year industry. What she found will be the subject of an upcoming Montana PBS documentary, Who?s Watching the Kids?, set to premiere locally Thursday, Sept. 14, at 7 p.m.
Montana is one of the last states in the country with no oversight of the controversial teen-help industry, and according to the 64-page report the PAARP board delivered to the state Economic Affairs Interim Committee on Sept. 12, it looks like it will be at least another two years before any substantial oversight legislation may be considered. The only current PAARP recommendation requiring legislative action would be to give the five-member board?which includes three industry representatives?authority to require programs to register with the board.
?We?ve got some more work to do to determine the regulatory structure and we?ve asked for some more time to do that,? says Trout Creek Rep. Paul Clark, who operates Galena Ridge Wilderness Program for Teens (and authored the legislation creating the PAARP board).
What John didn't mention, is that Clark advertises that he provides therapy and group counseling- practicing without a license. I guess it would be rude to expose someone publicly, even though they're clearly violating the law. And presenting themselves to the public as someone with the necessary ethics to self regulate.
Meanwhile, Rau?s documentary, which the Independent screened earlier this week, paints a grim picture of a booming industry shrouded in controversy and allegations of abuse in a state where no one?to answer the question of the title?is watching the kids.
Great Falls Sen. Trudy Schmidt, chair of the Children, Families, Health, and Human Services Interim Committee, says she?s not satisfied the board has done enough to protect children in such programs. She says she doesn?t believe a labor department board stacked with industry representatives will get the job done.
Someone in Montana's thinking!! Here's a person to support in anyway we can. Even if it's a 'thank you' note.
?I still have concerns,? says Schmidt, who adds, ?there?s a good possibility? she?ll introduce new regulatory legislation in the next session.
http://www.missoulanews.com/News/News.asp?no=5964 (http://www.missoulanews.com/News/News.asp?no=5964)
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You said: You're right. Maybe i missed it. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to which program in the Docu. was not WWASP affiliated. Don't take it like i'm trying to be a smart ass. I actually am curious if I missed something.
Don't get me wrong. It's a great documentary. I gave it a 3/5 because i'm a really tough critic and want to save the 4/5 and 5/5 for later documentaries which might surpass this in quality.
In the introductory paragraph the author refers to the 30 + programs in Montana that are self-regulated or non-regulated. It's a horrible situation in that state. Here's what I'm talking about:
There are more than 30 privately run schools for troubled youth operating in the state of Montana. They employ more than 600 people and pump an estimated 4 million into the state income taxes. It's an exploding industry, but strangely, most Montanans have no idea the schools even exist. In this hour-long documentary, MontanaPBS explores a lucrative industry praised for its novel approach to reforming youth, yet shrouded in disturbing allegations of abuse and neglect.
I think they focused on Spring Creek because it's the biggest and brings in the most revenue. They said the little town was all but dead before Spring Creek came along.
I hope we will see more powerful documentaries and movies in the future. I think so.
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psy,
Search this site for Montana and read up on what's happening there. In a word, Self-Regulation. Want to talk about Twilight Zone Bizarre. Three programs are heading up the research into whether or not programs should be licensed in Montana and if so apprear to be the ones who will structure any such regulations. Under the Dept of Labor!!! Wouldn't you feel safe knowing the hospital you're having surgery in next week created their own regulations?
That's in the documentary.
Look. I'm an art major. Don't take offense. 3/5 is a really good score. I commend them for their work and the publicity this will create.
Unfortunately they do not mention regulations on psychotherapy.
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FYI - you don't need to link or go to CAICA.
The documentary has been made available by PBS Montana on THEIR website for viewing online at no charge! Just click on the Windows Media player link in bottom left corner.
http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/ (http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/)
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The producers of this program welcome feedback from viewers, please send us an EMAIL at feedback@montanapbs.org
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FYI - you don't need to link or go to CAICA.
The documentary has been made available by PBS Montana on THEIR website for viewing online at no charge! Just click on the Windows Media player link in bottom left corner.
http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/ (http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/)
I still get an error:
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.
What "browser setting"? I dont' have problems with other sites.
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http://www.montanapbs.org/datafiles/Vid ... 000000.wmv (http://www.montanapbs.org/datafiles/Video/WWKK000000.wmv)
You can download it here.
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Nope. Didn't work. Even attempted to link google link. Won't open.
So what might be the "browser" issue?
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Deb - do you have Windows Media? That's how I viewed the documentary.
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Yes, and not having a problem except with this.
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Deb. go to www.getfirefox.com (http://www.getfirefox.com).
Try that browser. I'm guessing it's an M$ Internet Exploder issue.
I'm using firefox on a mac and it worked just fine for me.
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"Around the time the board was beginning its work, Montana PBS producer Anna Rau began her own investigation of the state?s $40-million-a-year industry. What she found will be the subject of an upcoming Montana PBS documentary, Who?s Watching the Kids?, set to premiere locally Thursday, Sept. 14, at 7 p.m. "
Why does the documentary never mention the report of the board, (which PBS was aware would be presented September 12th)? The show is purportedly about a lack of regulation, but totally ignores the regulation process. Not really fair, no matter how you look at it. The report wasn't just program drivel, either. The public participated at every step, and it was all in the report.
How ironic that the board's process was held to a standard of transparency and open meetings, while the PBS piece was nothing but awkwardly pasted sound bytes and inaccurate speculation. Regulation driven by political propaganda can't possibly be a good thing.
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There is certainly more that PBS could have reported
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ana#217764 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=217764&highlight=montana#217764)
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The report wasn't just program drivel, either.
Disingenuity warning: The person who wrote this is the same apologist in the other threads who has claimed "I've worked at enough" programs. So tell us, why did you use that turn of phrase: Because you believe that the programs, in fact, spout drivel, or because you want to pretend to be on our side when you think we can't tell your posts as being from the same person?
The link above shows exactly what happened with that board meeting.
And having programmies attack news reports only lends weight to the news reports' credibility.
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The report wasn't just program drivel, either.
Disingenuity warning: The person who wrote this is the same apologist in the other threads who has claimed "I've worked at enough" programs. So tell us, why did you use that turn of phrase: Because you believe that the programs, in fact, spout drivel, or because you want to pretend to be on our side when you think we can't tell your posts as being from the same person?
The link above shows exactly what happened with that board meeting.
And having programmies attack news reports only lends weight to the news reports' credibility.
What do you do with all those straws once you grasp them?
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Did I hear correctly that the board who has 5 individuals serving on it.......3 of them have programs? The other 2 one which was a child psychologist packed up and left the state. Then the one woman left was employed by Sanders County????
Well, that's not good! Anyway, I liked how the reporter asked questions. She was fair, and didn't come across as attacking them. When they tried not to answer she asked it in a different non-suspecting way, then tied their answer to what she was asking in the first place. You could see the blank stares come across the sheriff's face when he was caught not being truthful. Then the whole thing with Ken Kay in regards to duct taping a childs mouth shut, I found interesting too, and if he would do it to his own child.
I give it a 3.5/5
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I come out of silence-lockdown long enough to nominate GEORGE MILLER FOR PRESIDENT!
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www.caca.org
WHO'S WATCHING THE KIDS? VIEW DOCUMENTARY ONLINE
Don't miss a minute of this compelling PBS Documentary regarding schools and programs in Montana. Producer Anna Rau explores the teen help industry and the need for Federal Regulations in private Boarding Schools in Montana.
You can view it online or purchase a copy.[/img]
Hey Bitch Izzy---get your fat ass off of the fornits site. Why don't you and Sue-Sue start your own FAT-ASS-SUE-SUE board and leave us the hell alone? Hm? Why? STOP PROMOTING YOUR LAME WEB SITE ON FORNITS!
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Anyone else have a problem with Montana PBS site, you can view it at FICA. Thanks Kathy!
http://kathymoya.com/FICA/whoswatchingthekidsvideo.html (http://kathymoya.com/FICA/whoswatchingthekidsvideo.html)
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www.caica.org
WHO'S WATCHING THE KIDS? VIEW DOCUMENTARY ONLINE
Don't miss a minute of this compelling PBS Documentary regarding schools and programs in Montana. Producer Anna Rau explores the teen help industry and the need for Federal Regulations in private Boarding Schools in Montana.
You can view it online or purchase a copy.[/img]
Sue Scheff and Randall Hinton I guess. What the hell is wrong with you people? Have you no[/b] shame?
Randall Hinton
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... all+hinton (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=16279&highlight=randall+hinton)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19872 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19872)
ConstentGardener
Familiar Face wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/200103120118 ... ences.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20010312011808/helpyourteens.com/references.html)
"Teen Help is a marketing group that has provided many Specialty Schools with thousands of students who are in need of help. We are a service that educates and helps parents with their students transition from home to the facility. Our doors have been open for eleven years to assist any parent in need of our help.
P.U.R.E. has been and is a valuable asset to Teen Help. Its experts are very successful with the Parent Referral Program, and have educated many parents in the referral process. P.U.R.E. has presented our Specialty Schools as an alternative for many parents, Therapists, Doctors, Guidance Counselors, District Attorneys, School Districts, and Probation Officers.
Parents Universal Referral Experts have had first hand experience with Carolina Springs Academy. They has toured the facility, met the staff, and know the ins and outs of the program. Their first hand experience has eased the minds of many parents in the admissions process."
Sincerely,
Randall Hinton
Teen Help Admissions
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I'm still really confused how She Who Shall Not Be Named and Randall Hinton can be collaborating. Isn't Randall associated with WWASPS? Didn't She Who Shall Not Be Named sue the fuck out of them?
One wonders what games are being played behind closed doors.
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I'm still really confused how She Who Shall Not Be Named and Randall Hinton can be collaborating.
Me too and I'm rather interested.
Isn't Randall associated with WWASPS?
Was
Didn't She Who Shall Not Be Named sue the fuck out of them?
Yes
One wonders what games are being played behind closed doors.
One certainly does.
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Wait a minute. This article is from 2001. Is this before She Who Shall Not Be Named and WWASPS had their fallout?
(And shall we toss this discussion back to the WWASPS forum? This business of responding to the same thing multiple places is annoying.)
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Then don't. I think it's appropriate to post it in multiple forums. Not everyone reads all the forums. It's never been a problem before, what's up now?