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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 11, 2006, 05:25:26 PM
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I just "Googled" the Hyde School. I came across this web site that lists schools and programs for teens where there have been significant problems. Parents who are looking for information about Hyde should see this: http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde)
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Reading through that site about Hyde brings back bad memories. Hyde is a strange place. You either see the place as dangerous and a waste of time, or there are those who worship Hyde and Joe Gauld like people worship the leader of a Cult! I think that it is the weak and desperate who hang onto Hyde and go back for seminars. Those who are strong and have their act together see the weakness in Hyde and run as far as they can.
Would love to hear from some of those teachers who left after a year or two, (big percentage of them do) in order to find out why there is such a high turnover in faculty at Hyde.
Many things are a mystery at Hyde! It's a frightening place and I fear that one day someone will be seriously injured or killed on one of their campuses. Maybe it already has happened. Hyde goes to great lengths to hide what goes on there rather than practicing what they teach, Truth over Harmony
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Reading through that site about Hyde brings back bad memories. Hyde is a strange place. You either see the place as dangerous and a waste of time, or there are those who worship Hyde and Joe Gauld like people worship the leader of a Cult! I think that it is the weak and desperate who hang onto Hyde and go back for seminars. Those who are strong and have their act together see the weakness in Hyde and run as far as they can.
Would love to hear from some of those teachers who left after a year or two, (big percentage of them do) in order to find out why there is such a high turnover in faculty at Hyde.
Many things are a mystery at Hyde! It's a frightening place and I fear that one day someone will be seriously injured or killed on one of their campuses. Maybe it already has happened. Hyde goes to great lengths to hide what goes on there rather than practicing what they teach, Truth over Harmony
Really? That would not be a false dicotamy by any chance? Only two ways to see it? Really?
Neil Loughjizm
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Do you have anything interesting to add or are you going to continue to put down the posters who do have something legitimate to say?
What is your association with Hyde? How do you feel about Hyde School? Do you know why there is such a high turnover of faculty? Would love to hear a reply to these questions rather than your sarcasm
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One of the reasons there is a hefty faculty turnover every couple of years is because there are a lot of staff that come right out of college. They are young, energtic (able to take the grueling Hyde schedule) and most are able to really connect with the kids.
Usually after three or four years these young faculty members head to grad school, international travel and studies, on to another school where their Hyde expereince helped them get that position.
Some if not many return to Hyde after receiving their MA or leave a traditional prep school missing the intensity of Hyde.
Also with the new leadership in Woodstock, you'll probably see a lot less turn over other than the journey to get an advanced degree.
I left after 4 years and really miss it. I'll probably go back someday.
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Do you have anything interesting to add or are you going to continue to put down the posters who do have something legitimate to say?
What is your association with Hyde? How do you feel about Hyde School? Do you know why there is such a high turnover of faculty? Would love to hear a reply to these questions rather than your sarcasm
Sadly, like yourself I have nothing new to add. Again like you, I can only offer criticism.
My connection with Hyde is that of a former student. How do I feel about hyde? I liked Hyde. Why does Hyde turn over staff? They pay shit to entry level staff. Why do they do that? To pay for Joe's golf outings to St Andrews I suppose.
There is a whole range of ways to look at any experience to suggest that there are just two is a notion that is worthy of a few acirbic remarks. I look at Hyde sort of the same way I look at the relationship I had with a girl I meet there, with border line personality disorder. I have fond memories of her but I am glad she married some one else.
Neil Loughjizm
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I just "Googled" the Hyde School. I came across this web site that lists schools and programs for teens where there have been significant problems. Parents who are looking for information about Hyde should see this: http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde)
Thank you for this information about Hyde. About two weeks ago I was referred to another family that visited Hyde to determine whether it was a good school for their child. The father told me that after about an hour talking with Hyde staff he had the "creeps" and felt like he was being drawn into a cult. The dad told me that everyone he talked with at Hyde sounded like they were reading from doctrine and had memorized their speech. The parents said they knew almost immediately that Hyde was not a healthy place, at least not for their family. They said that staff at the few other schools they visited seemed so much more "real" and humane. This sure steered me away from Hyde.
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These potential parents must be very smart to have picked up on the dangers of Hyde so fast. It is very easy to be sucked into Hyde. We didn't realize how "spooky" it was for a while or then again maybe we were simply desperate. This can sometimes blind you to what is before you!
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I went on the Hyde website recently and see that they are still misrepresenting themselves saying that 98-99% of their graduating class is accepted to a four year college. The inference is that this percentage of students go to a four year college. Those of us who have been through Hyde know this not to be the case. Is this called "false advertising?" Shoot, half of my class are still loosers and this has been many years since I graduated! Some are working in bars, some not working at all, some on drugs and very few completed a four year education or have gone on to careers that can support a family.
What happened to all that "Truth over Harmony" that was pounded into our heads everyday? What a joke.
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I went on the Hyde website recently and see that they are still misrepresenting themselves saying that 98-99% of their graduating class is accepted to a four year college. The inference is that this percentage of students go to a four year college. Those of us who have been through Hyde know this not to be the case. Is this called "false advertising?" Shoot, half of my class are still loosers and this has been many years since I graduated! Some are working in bars, some not working at all, some on drugs and very few completed a four year education or have gone on to careers that can support a family.
What happened to all that "Truth over Harmony" that was pounded into our heads everyday? What a joke.
What you're saying is exactly right. I think Hyde staff are masters at spin. They know how to project an image to try to seduce desperate parents. Now that I know Hyde I know that underneath the fancy exterior is a lot of slime. It's comical to read Hyde's published materials and compare them with the reality. I think you're right that Hyde misleads people. The claim about college enrollments is just the tip of the iceberg. Parents who are seriously considering Hyde should talk to people like us who know that much of what goes on there is rotten at the core. At Hyde it's Truth over Harmony except when it's not convenient for Hyde to be truthful. Hyde can't afford to be truthful about the large number of immature, emotionally abusive and incompetent staff and the arrogance that permeates the school. How Hyde survives is beyond me.
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I went on the Hyde website recently and see that they are still misrepresenting themselves saying that 98-99% of their graduating class is accepted to a four year college. The inference is that this percentage of students go to a four year college. Those of us who have been through Hyde know this not to be the case. Is this called "false advertising?" Shoot, half of my class are still loosers and this has been many years since I graduated! Some are working in bars, some not working at all, some on drugs and very few completed a four year education or have gone on to careers that can support a family.
What happened to all that "Truth over Harmony" that was pounded into our heads everyday? What a joke.
What you're saying is exactly right. I think Hyde staff are masters at spin. They know how to project an image to try to seduce desperate parents. Now that I know Hyde I know that underneath the fancy exterior is a lot of slime. It's comical to read Hyde's published materials and compare them with the reality. I think you're right that Hyde misleads people. The claim about college enrollments is just the tip of the iceberg. Parents who are seriously considering Hyde should talk to people like us who know that much of what goes on there is rotten at the core. At Hyde it's Truth over Harmony except when it's not convenient for Hyde to be truthful. Hyde can't afford to be truthful about the large number of immature, emotionally abusive and incompetent staff and the arrogance that permeates the school. How Hyde survives is beyond me.
Here's another example of Hyde hypocrisy. I've heard staff tell kids over and over again that they're phony and too concerned about their image. Uh . . . sounds a lot like what Hyde does. Like you said, Hyde is consumed with projecting a rosy image in spite of what many of us know to be the truth. No wonder so many of us see right through Hyde's hypocrisy. The best example is how Joe Gauld talks about the importance of character and then acts like a flaming jerk who yells at people and shames them. Now that's the kind of role model I want for my kid. Not.
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Do you have anything interesting to add or are you going to continue to put down the posters who do have something legitimate to say?
What is your association with Hyde? How do you feel about Hyde School? Do you know why there is such a high turnover of faculty? Would love to hear a reply to these questions rather than your sarcasm
Sadly, like yourself I have nothing new to add. Again like you, I can only offer criticism.
My connection with Hyde is that of a former student. How do I feel about hyde? I liked Hyde. Why does Hyde turn over staff? They pay shit to entry level staff. Why do they do that? To pay for Joe's golf outings to St Andrews I suppose.
There is a whole range of ways to look at any experience to suggest that there are just two is a notion that is worthy of a few acirbic remarks. I look at Hyde sort of the same way I look at the relationship I had with a girl I meet there, with border line personality disorder. I have fond memories of her but I am glad she married some one else.
Neil Loughjizm
Damn Neil, I'm a fan (of your posts). This is the craziest website. I come back every six months or so to look at it and its the exact same stuff (and has been since it started), mostly from the same people over and over. Very black and white. Thinly, to not so thinly veiled anger. Self-serving claims, with more rumor and innuendo than you can get on Jerry Springer. Complete lack of ownership by almost all-anonymous posters. Mostly just trash and drivel, trying to be erudite.
I would much rather read gd lyrics (RIP jerr), but occasionally this site is almost as entertaining, and now I can get both!
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
do you have a link to Facebook? I'm not familiar with it... thnx
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
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Here is something taken directly off the Facebook website. Register and then you can see what former students think about Hyde. I am not too impressed by what I keep reading over and over again about this place.................
Blanchette
Of course Hyde is always right. As a matter of fact, the Hyde philosophy is the ultimate solution to the correction of adolescent misbehavior.
After all, why shouldn't a group of young, free-thinking individuals listen to a staff of recovering addicts, college dropouts, and narrow minded, ignorant adults?
And for anyone who considers the Hyde program ineffective, he/she only needs to witness a "bust" to change their stance. The cold precision and humiliating tactics used to punish pot-smokers and the sexually promiscuous are distinctly reminiscent of the Gestappo. I'm surprised we weren't forced to say "ditto" in German.
Too bad I was there for only one year. If I had stuck to it, I'd probably be something important by now. Like a cult leader, or even better, a resident Hyde teacher. Maybe even like fat Tim Smith or Dan Murphy.
Most sincerely,
David Thompson
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Some more comments from other students on Facebook.
Mr. McCran is no longer headmaster... Laura Gauld is taking over.. The Hyde Charter School Opens In New York... I wonder what is going to happen there... The Girls dorm and the Guys dorm now switched... TOM LORD got fired for no reason... There are only like 2 returing 4 year seniors... No one wants to go back there any more. The Hyde school opened up in nyc
Woostock's own Terry Walsh has been appointed to the state Family Support Council. You can read more about it at the Norwich Bulletin,
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbc ... 01018/1002 (http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061101/NEWS01/61101018/1002)
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
Please don't attack mother hood. What kind of woman would do something like that? How about Eleanor Roosevelt?
niel
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Please don't attack mother hood. What kind of woman would do something like that? How about Eleanor Roosevelt?
niel
He's not attacking motherhood you moron. :roll: He's stating an opinion about ONE mother.
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Please don't attack mother hood. What kind of woman would do something like that? How about Eleanor Roosevelt?
niel
He's not attacking motherhood you moron. :roll: He's stating an opinion about ONE mother.
Although I think the many faceted levels of Niel's fine sense of humor are often beyond me, I do believe this might be a case where he is not to be taken TOO literally, my friend! :lol:
-Manny Rivers (2X)
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Please don't attack mother hood. What kind of woman would do something like that? How about Eleanor Roosevelt?
niel
He's not attacking motherhood you moron. :roll: He's stating an opinion about ONE mother.
Although I think the many faceted levels of Niel's fine sense of humor are often beyond me, I do believe this might be a case where he is not to be taken TOO literally, my friend! :lol:
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Actually I should have said on the basis of one person's motherhood. I was actually dead serious. Many women have leave the act of mothering to a surragate. During the White house years Eleanor was one of them. Later in life, it is what my maternal grandmother did for a living. She raised two boys for a Jewish family in Miami. She was a goy that spoke yiddish phrases planned passover meals and ran thier household for them.
I think is is overtly sexist to expect a woman to raise her children on a day to day basis.
N Loughjizm
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
Tom Lord was part of the reason there were problems in Woodstock. Things are changed and may get better now that he is out. Being liked doesn't make someone good at their job. Mrs. Gauld's daughters are students enrolled in Hyde Bath, and being away from their parent is no worse than for any other boarrding school student. Her son is in a special needs program and lives with his Dad during the week. What's so wrong with that?
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
Tom Lord was part of the reason there were problems in Woodstock. Things are changed and may get better now that he is out. Being liked doesn't make someone good at their job. Mrs. Gauld's daughters are students enrolled in Hyde Bath, and being away from their parent is no worse than for any other boarrding school student. Her son is in a special needs program and lives with his Dad during the week. What's so wrong with that?
I think she will do a good job. I have nothing to base that on other then my intuition from my casual aquantence with her. I hope she does well and helps the school move to a better place. .The argument about her children is specious.
N Loughjim
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
Tom Lord was part of the reason there were problems in Woodstock. Things are changed and may get better now that he is out. Being liked doesn't make someone good at their job. Mrs. Gauld's daughters are students enrolled in Hyde Bath, and being away from their parent is no worse than for any other boarrding school student. Her son is in a special needs program and lives with his Dad during the week. What's so wrong with that?
I think she will do a good job. I have nothing to base that on other then my intuition from my casual aquantence with her. I hope she does well and helps the school move to a better place. .The argument about her children is specious.
N Loughjim
It's not fair to criticize Laura Gauld's choice to be at Woodstock while her kids are at Bath. She should be able to work where she wants given that her kids are in boarding school.
That said, I think what is worth criticizing is Hyde's overall approach to so-called character education. As many people here have observed, Hyde speaks a good game but falls apart at the seams when it matters. Hyde's interpretation of character education is a joke, as far as I can tell. Sure, they have some good moments, but there are so many bad moments that to call what they do "character education" is an insult. How on earth is it character education when Hyde staff scream at kids, insult them and their parents, torment students who have psychiatric diagnoses, and parade comical Joe Gauld in front of groups so he can rant? Do you really think that's character education? Please. Anyone who has any sense what run away from Hyde's sadism as fast as possible. No amount of good moments at Hyde can possibly make up for the torrential downpour of dreadful moments.
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hear here.
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
Tom Lord was part of the reason there were problems in Woodstock. Things are changed and may get better now that he is out. Being liked doesn't make someone good at their job. Mrs. Gauld's daughters are students enrolled in Hyde Bath, and being away from their parent is no worse than for any other boarrding school student. Her son is in a special needs program and lives with his Dad during the week. What's so wrong with that?
I think she will do a good job. I have nothing to base that on other then my intuition from my casual aquantence with her. I hope she does well and helps the school move to a better place. .The argument about her children is specious.
N Loughjim
It's not fair to criticize Laura Gauld's choice to be at Woodstock while her kids are at Bath. She should be able to work where she wants given that her kids are in boarding school.
That said, I think what is worth criticizing is Hyde's overall approach to so-called character education. As many people here have observed, Hyde speaks a good game but falls apart at the seams when it matters. Hyde's interpretation of character education is a joke, as far as I can tell. Sure, they have some good moments, but there are so many bad moments that to call what they do "character education" is an insult. How on earth is it character education when Hyde staff scream at kids, insult them and their parents, torment students who have psychiatric diagnoses, and parade comical Joe Gauld in front of groups so he can rant? Do you really think that's character education? Please. Anyone who has any sense what run away from Hyde's sadism as fast as possible. No amount of good moments at Hyde can possibly make up for the torrential downpour of dreadful moments.
I never thought of Joe as comical even when he was tryng to be funny, except maybe the golf pants. The plaid golf pants were funny.
I don't see Hyde as being a joke, I see hyde as having some things that work, some things that don't and no curiousity in telling the difference. I have head people talk about "magic in the walls" Jeez, maybe folks should just fly to France and make the pilgramage to Lourds and pray for charater.
Why do things work for some people and not for others? I think hyde has been too self satified with the explaination that it is the kid/family that fails. Is it always? IS it ever Hyde that fails? IF you don't examine and question you never grow as a person. IF you don't do it as an institution/business you never improve your ablity to carry out your mission.. I think the notion that Joe has been enbued with magic charater dust that he sprinkles on your head (by ranting at you) is silly.
N Loughjizm
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I just read a bunch of postings on Facebook from former Hyde students. Wow, these are not happy graduates. A number of the former Hyde students comment about problems at Hyde with student misbehavior, enrollment issues, etc.
One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
He was not fired, just that his contract was not renewed for the 2006-2007 year because of management changes and some housecleaning of attitudes that were not constructive.
Ms Gauld will make a fine replacement. At least she is not a blood relative so she does not have the crazy Joe gene. :-)
Tom Lord was very well liked by the students and parents at Hyde. He also had very good teaching credentials, something most of the staff at Hyde find intimidating because they lack this. Sure, he didn't get caught up in the Cult at Hyde. To me this makes him more normal than the wacko's who can't face the world. Best thing that ever happened to him was to move on.
As far as Mrs Gauld not being blood related, this is true, but she still drinks the same kool-aid as the rest of the Gaulds. I still don't understand what kind of Mother would leave her kids during the week and only see them on weekends, which is what I am told she is doing. Something has to suffer whether it be her children raising themselves or the managing of Hyde School in Woodstock
Tom Lord was part of the reason there were problems in Woodstock. Things are changed and may get better now that he is out. Being liked doesn't make someone good at their job. Mrs. Gauld's daughters are students enrolled in Hyde Bath, and being away from their parent is no worse than for any other boarrding school student. Her son is in a special needs program and lives with his Dad during the week. What's so wrong with that?
I think she will do a good job. I have nothing to base that on other then my intuition from my casual aquantence with her. I hope she does well and helps the school move to a better place. .The argument about her children is specious.
N Loughjim
It's not fair to criticize Laura Gauld's choice to be at Woodstock while her kids are at Bath. She should be able to work where she wants given that her kids are in boarding school.
That said, I think what is worth criticizing is Hyde's overall approach to so-called character education. As many people here have observed, Hyde speaks a good game but falls apart at the seams when it matters. Hyde's interpretation of character education is a joke, as far as I can tell. Sure, they have some good moments, but there are so many bad moments that to call what they do "character education" is an insult. How on earth is it character education when Hyde staff scream at kids, insult them and their parents, torment students who have psychiatric diagnoses, and parade comical Joe Gauld in front of groups so he can rant? Do you really think that's character education? Please. Anyone who has any sense what run away from Hyde's sadism as fast as possible. No amount of good moments at Hyde can possibly make up for the torrential downpour of dreadful moments.
I never thought of Joe as comical even when he was tryng to be funny, except maybe the golf pants. The plaid golf pants were funny.
I don't see Hyde as being a joke, I see hyde as having some things that work, some things that don't and no curiousity in telling the difference. I have head people talk about "magic in the walls" Jeez, maybe folks should just fly to France and make the pilgramage to Lourds and pray for charater.
Why do things work for some people and not for others? I think hyde has been too self satified with the explaination that it is the kid/family that fails. Is it always? IS it ever Hyde that fails? IF you don't examine and question you never grow as a person. IF you don't do it as an institution/business you never improve your ablity to carry out your mission.. I think the notion that Joe has been enbued with magic charater dust that he sprinkles on your head (by ranting at you) is silly.
N Loughjizm
Hyde plays favorites. There are those they love, and those they don't. If you are lucky, or especially skilled, you will fall somewhere inbetween where they will not notice you as much, and there is less risk of transgressions or extreme behaviour/expectations in either direction.
It has a lot less to do with the actual kid in question than you would believe.
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
Yes it is true, especially #2
Kneel Loughjizm
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
The harder they come ...
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/harderth ... ocross.htm (http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/hardertheycome/toomanyriverstocross.htm)
neough
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
Yes it is true, especially #2
Kneel Loughjizm
V E R Y C L E V E R ... and funny!
:nworthy: ::bigsmilebounce:: :nworthy:
-Manny
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
Yes it is true, especially #2
Kneel Loughjizm
V E R Y C L E V E R ... and funny!
:nworthy: ::bigsmilebounce:: :nworthy:
-Manny
Manny,
U2 I life the Cliff reference.
N Loughjizm
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
Yes it is true, especially #2
Kneel Loughjizm
V E R Y C L E V E R ... and funny!
:nworthy: ::bigsmilebounce:: :nworthy:
-Manny
Manny,
U2 I life the Cliff reference.
N Loughjizm
like
damn
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
Yes it is true, especially #2
Kneel Loughjizm
V E R Y C L E V E R ... and funny!
:nworthy: ::bigsmilebounce:: :nworthy:
-Manny
Manny,
U2 I life the Cliff reference.
N Loughjizm
like
damn
My favorite dictionary (only American one that is etymologically correct); best to peruse tactilely, but the online version isn't too bad...
http://www.m-w.com/ (http://www.m-w.com/)
-Manny
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Yes, Hyde is very good at encouraging self-examination -- except when it's Hyde that needs self-examination. Certain staff, and definitely Joe G., love to prance around and point fingers at students and parents, lecturing them about the importance of self-examination. But should anyone DARE suggest to Hyde staff that they take a good, long, hard look at themselves they're met with the usual Hyde BS. I'm still waiting for Hyde to live up to its own ideals; they're far from it, which is why they have such a lousy reputation in so many quarters. Many of us see Hyde for what it is, which ain't great.
Yes, but hyde could be great. In my day they called it " your unique potential" Hyde is not liking up to it's unique potential.
Neo Loughjizm
I am not living up to my potential. The previous post should say "Hyde is not LIVING" I would like to add, I am disappointed my comment have not spurred a more lively dilectic.
Neil Loughjizm
You mean "dialectic?"
Damn, yes that is what I meant. Bad posterI I need to confont my attitude, perhap dig a 6x6x6 hole or move firewood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic)
NeoLoughjizm
Just curious about your moniker, Niel...
"Main Entry: ne·ol·o·gism
Pronunciation: nE-'ä-l&-"ji-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French néologisme, from ne- + log- + -isme -ism
1 : a new word, usage, or expression
2 : a meaningless word coined by a psychotic
- ne·ol·o·gis·tic /-"ä-l&-'jis-tik/ adjective"
Any comments? ::rainbow::
-Manny
Yes it is true, especially #2
Kneel Loughjizm
V E R Y C L E V E R ... and funny!
:nworthy: ::bigsmilebounce:: :nworthy:
-Manny
Manny,
U2 I life the Cliff reference.
N Loughjizm
like
damn
A belated thnx to your expressed likings (I can be a bit obtuse sometimes)...
-Manny
:wstupid:
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One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?[/quote]
Tom Lord made offered us some of the most trenchant insights into our son that either my wife or I had ever heard. As some of you know, I was the victim of one of Joe's rants, and was chucked out of Hyde as a result of it. I was able to reach an acceptable financial settlement with the school with the help of John Williams, a Hartford attorney.
A year later I still fondly recall many of the moments I spent in the Hyde community and am deeply troubled by other, darker aspects of it.
Anyone who is interested in reading my account can e mail me.
Gary Eskow
scribeny@aol.com
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One of the postings said that Tom Lord was fired from Hyde. I don't know if that's true or not. Does anyone know the facts?
Tom Lord made offered us some of the most trenchant insights into our son that either my wife or I had ever heard. As some of you know, I was the victim of one of Joe's rants, and was chucked out of Hyde as a result of it. I was able to reach an acceptable financial settlement with the school with the help of John Williams, a Hartford attorney.
A year later I still fondly recall many of the moments I spent in the Hyde community and am deeply troubled by other, darker aspects of it.
Anyone who is interested in reading my account can e mail me.
Gary Eskow
scribeny@aol.com[/quote]
So when the hyde model is applied to the whole education system and you disagree with the oberJoe where will you get chuck out to? Turkmenastan?
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So when the hyde model is applied to the whole education system and you disagree with the oberJoe where will you get chuck out to? Turkmenastan?
I don't understand this... of course, public education will never adopt the cultic model that Hyde does--- you realize I'm sure that the premise is not reasonable. The important issue has nothing to do with me, though I will say that I've had no problem working with the public school system to affect change.
You seem angry- I hope I'm wrong! By the way- who are you?
Peace,
Gary Eskow
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So when the hyde model is applied to the whole education system and you disagree with the oberJoe where will you get chuck out to? Turkmenastan?
I don't understand this... of course, public education will never adopt the cultic model that Hyde does--- you realize I'm sure that the premise is not reasonable. The important issue has nothing to do with me, though I will say that I've had no problem working with the public school system to affect change.
You seem angry- I hope I'm wrong! By the way- who are you?
Peace,
Gary Eskow
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So when the hyde model is applied to the whole education system and you disagree with the oberJoe where will you get chuck out to? Turkmenastan?
I don't understand this... of course, public education will never adopt the cultic model that Hyde does--- you realize I'm sure that the premise is not reasonable. The important issue has nothing to do with me, though I will say that I've had no problem working with the public school system to affect change.
You seem angry- I hope I'm wrong! By the way- who are you?
Peace,
Gary Eskow
I am fine thanks. Just a victim of a Joe rant.
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Ok, one more comment from me on this subject and I'm done. It seems to me that you're not a victim of Joe's penchant to rant incoherently unless you choose to characterize yourself that way--- I certainly didn't feel like a victim when he made a series of comments to me that made him look like a horse's ass. I simply responded directly to him and moved on. Did you?
I can't figure out why so many people who post on this site- like you- are uncomfortable identifying themseves.
Maybe you can help me understand!
Gary Eskow
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Ok, one more comment from me on this subject and I'm done. It seems to me that you're not a victim of Joe's penchant to rant incoherently unless you choose to characterize yourself that way--- I certainly didn't feel like a victim when he made a series of comments to me that made him look like a horse's ass. I simply responded directly to him and moved on. Did you?
I can't figure out why so many people who post on this site- like you- are uncomfortable identifying themseves.
Maybe you can help me understand!
Gary Eskow
Gary,
When you are 16 years old, emotionally screwed up and in a seminar opening up for the first time and sharing a family secret that is pretty near the root of your problem and a old man walks in a begins screaming at you, completely out of context , are you a victim?
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Did my last response come through? It was an apology... no 16 year old should have to put up with JG's maniacal, self-serving rants.
Older guys like me can whip him verbally, or let him tie himself into knots... you guys shouldn't be asked to do this.
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By the way... Joe could NEVER hold his own in an intellecual forum of educators who are smart.
Please forgive me if I was insensitive... let me knw if I can help.
Peace,
Gary
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Did my last response come through? It was an apology... no 16 year old should have to put up with JG's maniacal, self-serving rants.
Older guys like me can whip him verbally, or let him tie himself into knots... you guys shouldn't be asked to do this.
'
By the way... Joe could NEVER hold his own in an intellecual forum of educators who are smart.
Please forgive me if I was insensitive... let me knw if I can help.
Peace,
Gary
You're right, Gary. Joe Gauld would never be able to hold his own in an intellectually legitimate, constructively critical, conceptually sophisticated dialogue. Gauld depends on cliches and intimidation to make his points. He doesn't seem to know how to stray from the Hyde mantra. My guess is that if he were placed in the midst of smart people who don't buy his act, Gauld's ideological house of cards would collapse. He's like a snake oil salesman who has a one-trick pony. Take Gauld out of his protective environment filled with Hyde-sters and he'd probably shrivel up like a fish out of water. Gauld seems to need Hyde worship to survive--pathetic.
I'd like to know more about your lawsuit against Hyde. Did Hyde admit wrongdoing? Has the lawsuit been publicized among Hyde parents? What about educational consultants, do they know abou this? I hope so.
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All of the legal charges we were prepared to file against Hyde were dropped when the school and our family reached a financial settlement that we were comfortable with. That's all that needs to be said about the matter.
I am still in touch with families who are participating in the Hyde School, and the interest I have in this instititution is simply to help the best element within it rise.
For my money, way too much focus is given to Joe--- of course, I'm not in a position to be abused by him, as you may be. But give him credit for coming up with an interesting idea and having the gumption to follow through on it. That's more than most people do in a lifetime.
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All of the legal charges we were prepared to file against Hyde were dropped when the school and our family reached a financial settlement that we were comfortable with. That's all that needs to be said about the matter.
I am still in touch with families who are participating in the Hyde School, and the interest I have in this instititution is simply to help the best element within it rise.
For my money, way too much focus is given to Joe--- of course, I'm not in a position to be abused by him, as you may be. But give him credit for coming up with an interesting idea and having the gumption to follow through on it. That's more than most people do in a lifetime.
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All of the legal charges we were prepared to file against Hyde were dropped when the school and our family reached a financial settlement that we were comfortable with. That's all that needs to be said about the matter.
I am still in touch with families who are participating in the Hyde School, and the interest I have in this instititution is simply to help the best element within it rise.
For my money, way too much focus is given to Joe--- of course, I'm not in a position to be abused by him, as you may be. But give him credit for coming up with an interesting idea and having the gumption to follow through on it. That's more than most people do in a lifetime.
You say that Joe Gauld deserves credit for his idea but that he is abusive. I'm very intrigued by the controversy surrounding Hyde. What specifically was Gauld's "good idea"? In what ways is he abusive?
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"You say that Joe Gauld deserves credit for his idea but that he is abusive. I'm very intrigued by the controversy surrounding Hyde. What specifically was Gauld's "good idea"? In what ways is he abusive?"
In general I would feel comfortable speaking with people who are willing to identify themselves...
I will say this: founding a school that favors the development of character more than grades or rigid discipline sounds like a good idea to me! Perhaps others did so before Mr. Gauld, but regardless, I credit him with the resolve to bring his vision of secondary education into being.
Breaking down vulnerable kids- even if you're foolish enough to believe that it will lead to their healing- strikes me as abusive.
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Gary, I'm just jumping in on the conversation here (I'm not the previous poster)... Just wanted to address the issue of anonymity...
Some years ago, I began receiving some alumni-oriented mail out of the blue. I had left Hyde under a black cloud, so this was a bit of a surprise. Most of the mail was the usual fund-raising fare; you can imagine my disgust given the circumstances. However, one of the pieces was an alumni newsletter, which I began to scan out of curiosity... It was with no small horror that I read, in print, about my (allegedly) having contacted the school and having written to them various details about myself and my then current circumstances, and that I wished to correspond with my former classmates. Mind you, I had never ever contacted the school, and have still not, to this day, decades later. The desire of sueing for libel crossed my mind at the time, but it's a little like responding to spam: you'll never get rid of them then...
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Gary, I'm just jumping in on the conversation here (I'm not the previous poster)... Just wanted to address the issue of anonymity...
Some years ago, I began receiving some alumni-oriented mail out of the blue. I had left Hyde under a black cloud, so this was a bit of a surprise. Most of the mail was the usual fund-raising fare; you can imagine my disgust given the circumstances. However, one of the pieces was an alumni newsletter, which I began to scan out of curiosity... It was with no small horror that I read, in print, about my (allegedly) having contacted the school and having written to them various details about myself and my then current circumstances, and that I wished to correspond with my former classmates. Mind you, I had never ever contacted the school, and have still not, to this day, decades later. The desire of sueing for libel crossed my mind at the time, but it's a little like responding to spam: you'll never get rid of them then...
I understand!
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"You say that Joe Gauld deserves credit for his idea but that he is abusive. I'm very intrigued by the controversy surrounding Hyde. What specifically was Gauld's "good idea"? In what ways is he abusive?"
In general I would feel comfortable speaking with people who are willing to identify themselves...
I will say this: founding a school that favors the development of character more than grades or rigid discipline sounds like a good idea to me! Perhaps others did so before Mr. Gauld, but regardless, I credit him with the resolve to bring his vision of secondary education into being.
Breaking down vulnerable kids- even if you're foolish enough to believe that it will lead to their healing- strikes me as abusive.
Merry Christmas,
Yes Joe deserves credit. I believe Hyde was the first of it's kind.
I have talked to a couple of people that were in the school leadership, from my days in Bath. I am surprised at some of the vehiment anti Joe stuff that I got from them. I am not talking about hyde failures I am talking about kids that were paraded around as examples of the fime work that Hyde does. I was shocked to hear Joe described as "toxic" by one. I was surprised because this kid was a poster child.
I had a couple of bad experiences with Joe, but I actually like him as a person. At the same time I am concerned that from what I can glean, he is doing thing that may be bad for the current students and no one on staff has the , pardon the venacular, balls to ask him to stop.
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Yes Joe deserves credit. I believe Hyde was the first of it's kind.
I have talked to a couple of people that were in the school leadership, from my days in Bath. I am surprised at some of the vehiment anti Joe stuff that I got from them. I am not talking about hyde failures I am talking about kids that were paraded around as examples of the fime work that Hyde does. I was shocked to hear Joe described as "toxic" by one. I was surprised because this kid was a poster child.
I had a couple of bad experiences with Joe, but I actually like him as a person. At the same time I am concerned that from what I can glean, he is doing thing that may be bad for the current students and no one on staff has the , pardon the venacular, balls to ask him to stop.
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A pity, isn't it? Unfortunately, most people who have passed through Hyde seem to have morphed into adoring acolytes or are blinded by bitterness. You are an exception!
Having endured so much within my family and emerged at peace, my job, as I see it, is to find appropriate vehicles to give back a portion of that which has been given to me. Jumping on this blog to see if there's anyone who might get some small benefit from my experience is just one of the things I'm doing.
Enjoy the rest of your holiday season.
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"You say that Joe Gauld deserves credit for his idea but that he is abusive. I'm very intrigued by the controversy surrounding Hyde. What specifically was Gauld's "good idea"? In what ways is he abusive?"
In general I would feel comfortable speaking with people who are willing to identify themselves...
I will say this: founding a school that favors the development of character more than grades or rigid discipline sounds like a good idea to me! Perhaps others did so before Mr. Gauld, but regardless, I credit him with the resolve to bring his vision of secondary education into being.
Breaking down vulnerable kids- even if you're foolish enough to believe that it will lead to their healing- strikes me as abusive.
Merry Christmas,
Yes Joe deserves credit. I believe Hyde was the first of it's kind.
I have talked to a couple of people that were in the school leadership, from my days in Bath. I am surprised at some of the vehiment anti Joe stuff that I got from them. I am not talking about hyde failures I am talking about kids that were paraded around as examples of the fime work that Hyde does. I was shocked to hear Joe described as "toxic" by one. I was surprised because this kid was a poster child.
I had a couple of bad experiences with Joe, but I actually like him as a person. At the same time I am concerned that from what I can glean, he is doing thing that may be bad for the current students and no one on staff has the , pardon the venacular, balls to ask him to stop.
I'm not sure that I would call indulging one's own predilection for theatrics at the expense of others' psyches to be construed as "having balls," let alone courage, but perhaps I am missing something. I think if Joe were TRULY honest with himself, and HONESTLY dedicated in bringing out the best in kids' potential, he would alter his methods accordingly. But I don't see that kind of flexibility or capacity to adjust coming in our lifetimes... Personally, and with all due respect, I don't think he has the balls he was born with. Its just all one big power trip, sprinkled with some undoubtedly and genuine good intentions.
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"You say that Joe Gauld deserves credit for his idea but that he is abusive. I'm very intrigued by the controversy surrounding Hyde. What specifically was Gauld's "good idea"? In what ways is he abusive?"
In general I would feel comfortable speaking with people who are willing to identify themselves...
I will say this: founding a school that favors the development of character more than grades or rigid discipline sounds like a good idea to me! Perhaps others did so before Mr. Gauld, but regardless, I credit him with the resolve to bring his vision of secondary education into being.
Breaking down vulnerable kids- even if you're foolish enough to believe that it will lead to their healing- strikes me as abusive.
Merry Christmas,
Yes Joe deserves credit. I believe Hyde was the first of it's kind.
I have talked to a couple of people that were in the school leadership, from my days in Bath. I am surprised at some of the vehiment anti Joe stuff that I got from them. I am not talking about hyde failures I am talking about kids that were paraded around as examples of the fime work that Hyde does. I was shocked to hear Joe described as "toxic" by one. I was surprised because this kid was a poster child.
I had a couple of bad experiences with Joe, but I actually like him as a person. At the same time I am concerned that from what I can glean, he is doing thing that may be bad for the current students and no one on staff has the , pardon the venacular, balls to ask him to stop.
I'm not sure that I would call indulging one's own predilection for theatrics at the expense of others' psyches to be construed as "having balls," let alone courage, but perhaps I am missing something. I think if Joe were TRULY honest with himself, and HONESTLY dedicated in bringing out the best in kids' potential, he would alter his methods accordingly. But I don't see that kind of flexibility or capacity to adjust coming in our lifetimes... Personally, and with all due respect, I don't think he has the balls he was born with. Its just all one big power trip, sprinkled with some undoubtedly and genuine good intentions.
This is my first posting on this topic. Like some others who have posted here, I too can appreciate the concept behind Hyde. However, our family is one of those that was attracted to Hyde because of the positive PR and then discovered that there's a very dirty lining and very thin layer of integrity. Yes, I can name a few well-meaning, decent people who were affiliated with Hyde when we were there (very recently). I can also name a much longer list of people at Hyde who, in my judgment, were stunted in their own development, thrived on the Hyde power trip, and addicted to the Joe Gauld, et al. elixir. The net result, I learned, is that too many people at Hyde traded independent thinking for group think and, sadly, dripped a lot of poison onto both students and parents. I witnessed some dreadfully destructive interactions by amateurs at Hyde who shouldn't be allowed in ANY reputable educational institution. I'm sure some of these incidents were quite damaging to students and (in seminars) parents who were dumped on and even attacked.
The Joe Gauld phenomenon amazes me. It didn't take me long to figure out that the man is embarrassingly transparent in his neediness and self-righteous arrogance. I suspect that he has some major unresolved issues that explain his adolescent behavior (interestingly, Joe's mood swings, temper, and impulsive outbursts closely resemble the behavior of many of the students Hyde claims to serve so effectively--talk about irony!). My guess is that Hyde will limp along because of Joe's involvement and the obedient, unquestioning acolytes (lemmings?).
One of the posters here got it just right when he/she said: "Personally, and with all due respect, I don't think he [Joe Gauld] has the balls he was born with. Its just all one big power trip, sprinkled with some undoubtedly and genuine good intentions."
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This is my first posting on this topic. Like some others who have posted here, I too can appreciate the concept behind Hyde. However, our family is one of those that was attracted to Hyde because of the positive PR and then discovered that there's a very dirty lining and very thin layer of integrity. Yes, I can name a few well-meaning, decent people who were affiliated with Hyde when we were there (very recently). I can also name a much longer list of people at Hyde who, in my judgment, were stunted in their own development, thrived on the Hyde power trip, and addicted to the Joe Gauld, et al. elixir. The net result, I learned, is that too many people at Hyde traded independent thinking for group think and, sadly, dripped a lot of poison onto both students and parents. I witnessed some dreadfully destructive interactions by amateurs at Hyde who shouldn't be allowed in ANY reputable educational institution. I'm sure some of these incidents were quite damaging to students and (in seminars) parents who were dumped on and even attacked.
The Joe Gauld phenomenon amazes me. It didn't take me long to figure out that the man is embarrassingly transparent in his neediness and self-righteous arrogance. I suspect that he has some major unresolved issues that explain his adolescent behavior (interestingly, Joe's mood swings, temper, and impulsive outbursts closely resemble the behavior of many of the students Hyde claims to serve so effectively--talk about irony!). My guess is that Hyde will limp along because of Joe's involvement and the obedient, unquestioning acolytes (lemmings?).
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Hard to disagree with anything you've said... but why doesn't anyone or than a current student give their name?!
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This is my first posting on this topic. Like some others who have posted here, I too can appreciate the concept behind Hyde. However, our family is one of those that was attracted to Hyde because of the positive PR and then discovered that there's a very dirty lining and very thin layer of integrity. Yes, I can name a few well-meaning, decent people who were affiliated with Hyde when we were there (very recently). I can also name a much longer list of people at Hyde who, in my judgment, were stunted in their own development, thrived on the Hyde power trip, and addicted to the Joe Gauld, et al. elixir. The net result, I learned, is that too many people at Hyde traded independent thinking for group think and, sadly, dripped a lot of poison onto both students and parents. I witnessed some dreadfully destructive interactions by amateurs at Hyde who shouldn't be allowed in ANY reputable educational institution. I'm sure some of these incidents were quite damaging to students and (in seminars) parents who were dumped on and even attacked.
The Joe Gauld phenomenon amazes me. It didn't take me long to figure out that the man is embarrassingly transparent in his neediness and self-righteous arrogance. I suspect that he has some major unresolved issues that explain his adolescent behavior (interestingly, Joe's mood swings, temper, and impulsive outbursts closely resemble the behavior of many of the students Hyde claims to serve so effectively--talk about irony!). My guess is that Hyde will limp along because of Joe's involvement and the obedient, unquestioning acolytes (lemmings?).
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Hard to disagree with anything you've said... but why doesn't anyone or than a current student give their name?!
says something about the place, doesn't it?
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This is my first posting on this topic. Like some others who have posted here, I too can appreciate the concept behind Hyde. However, our family is one of those that was attracted to Hyde because of the positive PR and then discovered that there's a very dirty lining and very thin layer of integrity. Yes, I can name a few well-meaning, decent people who were affiliated with Hyde when we were there (very recently). I can also name a much longer list of people at Hyde who, in my judgment, were stunted in their own development, thrived on the Hyde power trip, and addicted to the Joe Gauld, et al. elixir. The net result, I learned, is that too many people at Hyde traded independent thinking for group think and, sadly, dripped a lot of poison onto both students and parents. I witnessed some dreadfully destructive interactions by amateurs at Hyde who shouldn't be allowed in ANY reputable educational institution. I'm sure some of these incidents were quite damaging to students and (in seminars) parents who were dumped on and even attacked.
The Joe Gauld phenomenon amazes me. It didn't take me long to figure out that the man is embarrassingly transparent in his neediness and self-righteous arrogance. I suspect that he has some major unresolved issues that explain his adolescent behavior (interestingly, Joe's mood swings, temper, and impulsive outbursts closely resemble the behavior of many of the students Hyde claims to serve so effectively--talk about irony!). My guess is that Hyde will limp along because of Joe's involvement and the obedient, unquestioning acolytes (lemmings?).
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Hard to disagree with anything you've said... but why doesn't anyone or than a current student give their name?!
You asked why people don't give their names. I can't speak for others, of course, but in my own case it's because we don't trust Hyde. My spouse and I harbor deep resentment toward several Hyde staff who, in our opinion, were abusive, mean spirited, and horribly destructive toward one member of our family and (at least) several other students and parents. We have not yet decided what formal action we may take against Hyde. So, while we're interested in telling our stories and exposing Hyde far and wide, we're not ready to disclose our names in this forum. I know that may be frustrating, but at this point it's what we feel we need to do. I hope you understand. In the meantime, I applaud your contributions to this web site and your balanced, reasoned, fair critique of Hyde. I regret that Hyde administrators mistreated you so badly.
Hyde taught us many lessons, mainly with respect to how one should NOT run a school for struggling teens. Now that we've decided to leave Hyde we're discovering that there are a number of very impressive alternatives that are far more enlightened and constructive. We're so sad we didn't know about these alternatives when we decided to enroll our child at Hyde. At the time we didn't know much about the "industry." Now we do and are horrified that Hyde is able to intrude in people's lives so negatively (not that everyone has a negative experience, but there sure is a large number). It's interesting to me that Hyde is able to survive with so many good schools out there that are so much more effective than Hyde (in my view). Of course, with the advent of web sites like this and that Isac Corp that someone mentioned, Hyde may have a tougher time surviving in this competitive market.
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You asked why people don't give their names. I can't speak for others, of course, but in my own case it's because we don't trust Hyde. My spouse and I harbor deep resentment toward several Hyde staff who, in our opinion, were abusive, mean spirited, and horribly destructive toward one member of our family and (at least) several other students and parents. We have not yet decided what formal action we may take against Hyde. So, while we're interested in telling our stories and exposing Hyde far and wide, we're not ready to disclose our names in this forum. I know that may be frustrating, but at this point it's what we feel we need to do. I hope you understand. In the meantime, I applaud your contributions to this web site and your balanced, reasoned, fair critique of Hyde. I regret that Hyde administrators mistreated you so badly.
Hyde taught us many lessons, mainly with respect to how one should NOT run a school for struggling teens. Now that we've decided to leave Hyde we're discovering that there are a number of very impressive alternatives that are far more enlightened and constructive. We're so sad we didn't know about these alternatives when we decided to enroll our child at Hyde. At the time we didn't know much about the "industry." Now we do and are horrified that Hyde is able to intrude in people's lives so negatively (not that everyone has a negative experience, but there sure is a large number). It's interesting to me that Hyde is able to survive with so many good schools out there that are so much more effective than Hyde (in my view). Of course, with the advent of web sites like this and that Isac Corp that someone mentioned, Hyde may have a tougher time surviving in this competitive market.
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Unfortunately, everything you say resonates with my own experience. I've always liked a good fight, but for some reason I can't work up any anger towards this institution. I suppose that's because I did see a number of under qualified but highly motivated people trying to do good there, and was touched by their commitment to our son.
But you're right; any institution that tolerates the level of emotional abuse that goes on at Hyde deserves to be called on the carpet.
If you'd ever like to communicate off the record, please don't hesitate to contact me via e-mail.
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You asked why people don't give their names. I can't speak for others, of course, but in my own case it's because we don't trust Hyde. My spouse and I harbor deep resentment toward several Hyde staff who, in our opinion, were abusive, mean spirited, and horribly destructive toward one member of our family and (at least) several other students and parents. We have not yet decided what formal action we may take against Hyde. So, while we're interested in telling our stories and exposing Hyde far and wide, we're not ready to disclose our names in this forum. I know that may be frustrating, but at this point it's what we feel we need to do. I hope you understand. In the meantime, I applaud your contributions to this web site and your balanced, reasoned, fair critique of Hyde. I regret that Hyde administrators mistreated you so badly.
Hyde taught us many lessons, mainly with respect to how one should NOT run a school for struggling teens. Now that we've decided to leave Hyde we're discovering that there are a number of very impressive alternatives that are far more enlightened and constructive. We're so sad we didn't know about these alternatives when we decided to enroll our child at Hyde. At the time we didn't know much about the "industry." Now we do and are horrified that Hyde is able to intrude in people's lives so negatively (not that everyone has a negative experience, but there sure is a large number). It's interesting to me that Hyde is able to survive with so many good schools out there that are so much more effective than Hyde (in my view). Of course, with the advent of web sites like this and that Isac Corp that someone mentioned, Hyde may have a tougher time surviving in this competitive market.
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Unfortunately, everything you say resonates with my own experience. I've always liked a good fight, but for some reason I can't work up any anger towards this institution. I suppose that's because I did see a number of under qualified but highly motivated people trying to do good there, and was touched by their commitment to our son.
But you're right; any institution that tolerates the level of emotional abuse that goes on at Hyde deserves to be called on the carpet.
If you'd ever like to communicate off the record, please don't hesitate to contact me via e-mail.
I understand your ambivalence. I think what's critically important is that Hyde be held accountable for its unprofessional, incompetent, and abusive practices. That can be done at the same time one acknowledges the handful of principled, dedicated Hyde staff. I deeply regret that people like Joe Gauld (and some others) contaminate the efforts of those at Hyde who are well meaning and sincere (although not always well trained or particularly competent).
P.S. You may want to click on the "quote" button at the top of a message to which you are replying and then type in your comment at the end of the comment you're responding to.
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I understand your ambivalence. I think what's critically important is that Hyde be held accountable for its unprofessional, incompetent, and abusive practices. That can be done at the same time one acknowledges the handful of principled, dedicated Hyde staff. I deeply regret that people like Joe Gauld (and some others) contaminate the efforts of those at Hyde who are well meaning and sincere (although not always well trained or particularly competent).
P.S. You may want to click on the "quote" button at the top of a message to which you are replying and then type in your comment at the end of the comment you're responding to.[/quote]
thanks... for some reason the quote button doesn't function properly on my Mac!
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Gary, Try typing in the commands longhand to make the box. I'm not actually sure it will work that way, but what you want is (quote) at the beginning of the box, and (/quote) at the end of the box, substituting the appropriate bracket symbols [ or ] for the parentheses, of course (wasn't sure if i would end up creating a box by typing them in correctly). If either of these commands is missing, the box will not be made. Also, I'm not sure which "quote" button you are using, as there seem to be two (one as an option above as you are typing your reply). I use the one that is at the uppermost right corner of the post I wish to respond to (obviating the need for hitting "post reply." But do try typing the commands in if nothing else works. Makes the reading so much clearer for all of us. (I have a Mac too but perhaps a different model.)
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Gary, Try typing in the commands longhand to make the box. I'm not actually sure it will work that way, but what you want is (quote) at the beginning of the box, and (/quote) at the end of the box, substituting the appropriate bracket symbols [ or ] for the parentheses, of course (wasn't sure if i would end up creating a box by typing them in correctly). If either of these commands is missing, the box will not be made. Also, I'm not sure which "quote" button you are using, as there seem to be two (one as an option above as you are typing your reply). I use the one that is at the uppermost right corner of the post I wish to respond to (obviating the need for hitting "post reply." But do try typing the commands in if nothing else works. Makes the reading so much clearer for all of us. (I have a Mac too but perhaps a different model.)
ok... let's see if this did it!