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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Thumper on October 30, 2006, 09:50:19 PM
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I went through the program and recently graduated prior to the official release of the lawsuit filed by Plantiffs. I can and would be happy to however dispell some rumors and clear up some confusion with regard to a lot of these stories that have been floating around.
First and foremost, the incident involving the female student that sexually assaulted a fellow female student with tree branches: people wonder why it was that no police investigation, well I can tell you right now that the so called assault on the girl I will only reffer to as "C" was entirely premeditated. I knew both of the girls and I saw them right before they ran off into the woods together. I didn't know what they were up to at the time but I knew that "C" was dying to be withdrawn and so I just have to say that when it comes to the issue of the one girl assaulting the other girl, it was because the victim wanted to say that she had been assaulted by locals so that her parents would withdraw her. It is true that the next day there was an assembly in the school cafeteria where Charles Cates told us not to tell our parents about it because everyone in the end was okay.
I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone might have.
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Even if it was premeditated that would only seem to suggest that neither girl was appropriate for placement at Hidden Lake. The victim for allowing that to be done to her, and the perpetrator for being willing to do it.
As to everyone being okay? A girl gets raped with a stick and she's okay???? Another girl is willing to do this and she's okay????Perhaps the better phrase might have been "everyone is seriously messed up in the head."
Further how appropriate is it for Cates to ask the inmates not to reveal the incident to their parents. What would have happened had you chosen to?
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I would have been put on restrictions.
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It is true that the next day there was an assembly in the school cafeteria where Charles Cates told us not to tell our parents about it because everyone in the end was okay.
WTF??????
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I would have been put on restrictions.
So much for honesty.
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I would have been put on restrictions.
Thumper - were you threatened with restrictions for talking to your parents about other things that happened?
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They never upfront threatened us with restrictions, it was just sort of understood. If something bad happened that made the school look bad and you told your parents, you were punished for manipulating.
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Trolling????
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Trolling????
What the hell is trolling?
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yup...students dont talk like that..."with regards to..."
next time...take some lessons from the real students who post then you will at least "sound" reputable...
i also know the "real" story and while they did "plan" to do this the one girl went seriously above and beyond the call of duty and actually took much pleasure in beating and torturing the other girl...leaving her for dead at the bottom of a hill...
it was so sick and twisted taht the one who had this happen to her had to be sedated before they could even do a pelvic exam at the hospital...talk about fucked up...the one who did it wasn't taken out for about a month...sick twisted bitch...looking into her eyes was like looking at the devil same with the hannibal lector kid...death was in their eyes...
sick fuckin bastards...all for the glory of the all mighty $$$
and now...fuckers won't see christmas for all the good it did...and i think it is pretty freakin funny...
if you want some real shit...there is again no nurse and lance and melanie who are married also share a peer group, can we say conflict of interest and now the kids have NO ONE in that group to go to cause of course she will back him and he will back her...
fucked up!!!
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I would have been put on restrictions.
If something bad happened that made the school look bad and you told your parents, you were punished for manipulating.
Please one of you idiot puppets justify this for me. An inmate tells the truth and he's punished for manipulating.
The theraputic....oh sorry the academic value of this is????
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They never upfront threatened us with restrictions, it was just sort of understood. If something bad happened that made the school look bad and you told your parents, you were punished for manipulating.
What other things happened that you knew not to tell your parents about?
BTW - what ever happened to those 2 girls involved in that incident? Did they stay at the school?
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I went through the program and recently graduated prior to the official release of the lawsuit filed by Plantiffs. I can and would be happy to however dispell some rumors and clear up some confusion with regard to a lot of these stories that have been floating around.
First and foremost, the incident involving the female student that sexually assaulted a fellow female student with tree branches: people wonder why it was that no police investigation, well I can tell you right now that the so called assault on the girl I will only reffer to as "C" was entirely premeditated. I knew both of the girls and I saw them right before they ran off into the woods together. I didn't know what they were up to at the time but I knew that "C" was dying to be withdrawn and so I just have to say that when it comes to the issue of the one girl assaulting the other girl, it was because the victim wanted to say that she had been assaulted by locals so that her parents would withdraw her. It is true that the next day there was an assembly in the school cafeteria where Charles Cates told us not to tell our parents about it because everyone in the end was okay.
I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone might have.
I was at that assembly. Charles Cates did not tell the students not to tell their parents. He told them not to tell their parents a faulty version of the story. That was the whole point of making the announcement. He wanted to dispell rumors before everyone got on the phone to tell their parents "locals are coming onto campus raping girls". You may not like Charles Cates, but he is not stupid. He is not going to tell the student body not to tell their parents.
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Even if it was premeditated that would only seem to suggest that neither girl was appropriate for placement at Hidden Lake. The victim for allowing that to be done to her, and the perpetrator for being willing to do it.
As to everyone being okay? A girl gets raped with a stick and she's okay???? Another girl is willing to do this and she's okay????Perhaps the better phrase might have been "everyone is seriously messed up in the head."
Further how appropriate is it for Cates to ask the inmates not to reveal the incident to their parents. What would have happened had you chosen to?
You are right that neither girls was appropriate. Especially the girls that did the assaulting. Actually, Dr. Buccellato had been told that she was inappropriate, but he insisted on keeping her there and working with her.
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I was at that assembly. Charles Cates did not tell the students not to tell their parents. He told them not to tell their parents a faulty version of the story. That was the whole point of making the announcement. He wanted to dispell rumors before everyone got on the phone to tell their parents "locals are coming onto campus raping girls". You may not like Charles Cates, but he is not stupid. He is not going to tell the student body not to tell their parents.
If you were at that assembly, you would remember very specifically Mandy Evans, who was a counselor there at the time saying not to go tell our parents about what had happened in attempts for us to get pulled. Anyone who was there would remember that.
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I was at that assembly. Charles Cates did not tell the students not to tell their parents. He told them not to tell their parents a faulty version of the story. That was the whole point of making the announcement. He wanted to dispell rumors before everyone got on the phone to tell their parents "locals are coming onto campus raping girls". You may not like Charles Cates, but he is not stupid. He is not going to tell the student body not to tell their parents.
If you were at that assembly, you would remember very specifically Mandy Evans, who was a counselor there at the time saying not to go tell our parents about what had happened in attempts for us to get pulled. Anyone who was there would remember that.
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So it was Mandy that told the student body not to tell? I thought you said it was Charles Cates.
In either case...the point is that if you are telling your parents for the sole purpose of getting pulled, then you would in fact be manipulating. If you were telling them simply because it is something very significant that happened at your school then that would be a different thing. Either way, I bet your counselors had told the parents before most of the kids could anyway. That is basic damage control. Get the information out to the parents first, so they are not surprised when their children bring it up.
Mandy was saying don't use this as a means to get pulled. She didn't mean don't tell your parents at all. That is completely unrealistic. Again, the point of the meeting was to get the true story out to the student body so that a bunch of false rumors didn't get to the parents.
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So it was Mandy that told the student body not to tell? I thought you said it was Charles Cates.
In either case...the point is that if you are telling your parents for the sole purpose of getting pulled, then you would in fact be manipulating. If you were telling them simply because it is something very significant that happened at your school then that would be a different thing. Either way, I bet your counselors had told the parents before most of the kids could anyway. That is basic damage control. Get the information out to the parents first, so they are not surprised when their children bring it up.
Mandy was saying don't use this as a means to get pulled. She didn't mean don't tell your parents at all. That is completely unrealistic. Again, the point of the meeting was to get the true story out to the student body so that a bunch of false rumors didn't get to the parents.
I'm a parent and I was NEVER informed about this incident!
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How long has your child been there? This happened around a year ago if I remember correctly.
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Whomever said it apparently Cates was there and didnt offer up any dissent, so obviously it was something agreed upon earlier.
This practice is no different than the parent handbook indoctrinating parents with; "your child will lie to you, will tell this is an awful place, don't listen to him."
I have no doubt that the counselors frantically called every parent to tell them some make believe fairy tale about what really happened, they probably also told them "There's a bunch of rumors(aka "the truth") going around about this event, if your child tells you anything don't believe him and please report it to us."
Manipulation down to a science.
I'm going to guess but I wonder if the counselors bothered to mention that the girl who actually performed the rape stayed on campus for another month.
Sure sounds safe.
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I'm a parent and I was NEVER informed about this incident!
Oh even better. The inmates are indirectly threatened not to tell their parents about what had happened, and on top of that the counselors never tell the parents either.
Silence is a new form of therapy.....er umm I mean academics.
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I am sure they did not tell them that she was there for another month.
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Again, the point of the meeting was to get the true story out to the student body so that a bunch of false rumors didn't get to the parents.
They didn't dispell any false rumors because nobody even knew about it until they told us about it, all we knew was that Ana and Christy had run away. And what they told us in the end wasn't the truth regardless. They never mentioned the rape or the severe damage done to Christy. All they told us was that it was not something we needed to tell our parents about.
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Did they make the same admonishment for all the other runaways?
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Did they make the same admonishment for all the other runaways?
Pretty much. Early on in the program, these two girls in my peer group ran away and they were picked up by these guys who took them to a party and gave them drugs and then raped them. When I was on the phone telling my parents about it, the counselor who was listening immediatedly jumped in and demanded I stop telling my parents "stories."
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Stories huh? Its funny how the truth is called anything but that at hla. When I was there I don't recall being any specific admonishments not to tell parents about runaways or rapes, however most runaways while I was there were caught within a day or two, and we generally didnt rape or try and murder each other back then. I guess that was before hla raised the admissions policy and stopped admitting all those dangerous kids.
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:lol: :o :P :wink: :o
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How long has your child been there? This happened around a year ago if I remember correctly.
My child was there when this happened. Trust me: We were never told about this incident.
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Well gosh, they didnt tell the parents themselves and they threatened the inmates not to tell either. It almost sounds like they were trying to cover it up.
I wonder why?
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How much do the Georgia state officials know about this?
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I was at that assembly. Charles Cates did not tell the students not to tell their parents. He told them not to tell their parents a faulty version of the story. That was the whole point of making the announcement. He wanted to dispell rumors before everyone got on the phone to tell their parents "locals are coming onto campus raping girls". You may not like Charles Cates, but he is not stupid. He is not going to tell the student body not to tell their parents.
No, trust me: Charles Cates is very stupid. I don't normally make a practice of insulting people so directly, but that man is a fool. He sent out a letter to the parents telling them about the lawsuit before the word really got out to everyone. Well, Charles speeded that process right up, now didn't he? That is one example out of many, many, many more, but if you ask any of the parents who have had dealings with him, he is not only stupid, but incompetent as well. I mean, for Christ's sake, he mispronounced Samara's name in Assembly every week even though she had already been there like two years. If that doesn't show a great deal of stupidity (or maybe just senility), I just don't know what does.
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No, trust me: Charles Cates is very stupid. I don't normally make a practice of insulting people so directly, but that man is a fool. He sent out a letter to the parents telling them about the lawsuit before the word really got out to everyone. Well, Charles speeded that process right up, now didn't he? That is one example out of many, many, many more, but if you ask any of the parents who have had dealings with him, he is not only stupid, but incompetent as well. I mean, for Christ's sake, he mispronounced Samara's name in Assembly every week even though she had already been there like two years. If that doesn't show a great deal of stupidity (or maybe just senility), I just don't know what does.
You're talking about two different things at once. That has nothing to do with the two girls running off into the woods, which he did insist that we not tell our parents.
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the girl who "used" the stick, was in my pg. She went home after being withdrawn before she could be dismissed. I know the story. Not shit will come it.
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Was she sent on an intervention?
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No, she was sent to the Shalet. Where basically she's no longer part of the program and they keep her in a cabin out by the woods until they knew what to do with her.
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No, she was sent to the Shalet. Where basically she's no longer part of the program and they keep her in a cabin out by the woods until they knew what to do with her.
Correct. If you are sent to the Chalet it typically means you are no longer a true part of the program. You are at the Chalet because you are not safe to be around the other students and HLA is trying to get you moved to a different location. If this girl was in the Chalet it is a bit misleading to say that she was still at the school for a month after the incident, because she was not really with the rest of the kids. Also, HLA does not like to have kids at the Chalet for an extended period of time. What is going on behind the scenes is HLA pushing the parents to find another placement as soon as possible. It cost money for HLA to assign extra staff to watch a single student and HLA does not want to do that.
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So youre saying they locked this girl up in a cabin for an entire month? Is that legal?
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sorta but not really...she was on a serious "staff escort", they would have her taken work for school and would bring her up for some meals before or after the other students ate, others would be take to her...she would be allowed dorm time when no one else was there...they kept watch on her 24/7 and were badgering the mom to get her to a different place...the mom kept hemming and hawing...i am not sure how they actually got her off campus but she was a scary m/f!! a true sociopath...she had no remorse for what she did...and she did mess that other girl up...so much so that she had to be sedated to have a pelvic exam done at the hospital...
this isn't the only child this was done to...others would be sent to ridge creek, but not for the program, to finish out their high school requirements and then dismissed...this way they got to finish their schooling but were not around other students due to their going against the major 3 (sex, drugs or violence) or just that they had already gone to rci 4 or 5 times and it didn't help but they were so close to graduating that the school let them stay ($$) to finish their degree...they didn't do anything but eat sleep and do their school work...and sometimes they would scrub rocks with a toothbrush!
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If they are keeping them there because the are "so close to graduation" then it is not about the $$. Parents pay the last three months of the program in advance. In actuallity it would be more profitable for them to just kick those kids out.
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If they are keeping them there because the are "so close to graduation" then it is not about the $$. Parents pay the last three months of the program in advance. In actuallity it would be more profitable for them to just kick those kids out.
They don't keep you at ridge creek because you are close to graduating the program at HLA. If you're dismissed from HLA and you're sent to ridge creek, that's because your parents decide to send you there. There was only one circumstance that I'm aware of when a student was dismissed from HLA but kept at ridge creek for the soul purpose of completing high school and that was because he was eighteen and all his parents wanted was for him to get all of his credits so that they could finally be done with him and not have to worry about him anymore. Once he was to have finished high school at ridge creek, his parents were going to cease communication with him completely.
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not true...i can think of 3 students that have been on the "rci grad" program...
AND if they were to pull their kids they forfeit the "deposit" if they are dismissed they have to pay it back...
all of the kids on that program were 18--and signed themselves in
don't fool yourself...
IT IS ALL AND ALWAYS ABOUT THE $$$'S
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If they are keeping them there because the are "so close to graduation" then it is not about the $$. Parents pay the last three months of the program in advance. In actuallity it would be more profitable for them to just kick those kids out.
There are many kids on MySpace who report being booted a month or two before graduation. Might they have been on scholarship and being booted, their parents had to repay that scholarship money?
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i hear tell that if they are on scholarship and they withdraw they have to pay it back!!!
gives a whole new meaning to "generosity", eh??
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i hear tell that if they are on scholarship and they withdraw they have to pay it back!!!
gives a whole new meaning to "generosity", eh??
This is true. It is also written in the contract before they accept the scholarship. One the one hand that sounds pretty harsh, on the other hand- don't accept the scholarship if you can't live up to the contract you sign. If don't feel HLA lived up to their end of the bargain, then sue them.
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So what happens when HLA decides to boot the kid? Does the school return the prepaid tuition?
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If they are keeping them there because the are "so close to graduation" then it is not about the $$. Parents pay the last three months of the program in advance. In actuallity it would be more profitable for them to just kick those kids out.
They don't keep you at ridge creek because you are close to graduating the program at HLA. If you're dismissed from HLA and you're sent to ridge creek, that's because your parents decide to send you there. There was only one circumstance that I'm aware of when a student was dismissed from HLA but kept at ridge creek for the soul purpose of completing high school and that was because he was eighteen and all his parents wanted was for him to get all of his credits so that they could finally be done with him and not have to worry about him anymore. Once he was to have finished high school at ridge creek, his parents were going to cease communication with him completely.
Manny Fresh...
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So what happens when HLA decides to boot the kid? Does the school return the prepaid tuition?
There are certainly times when HLA has refunded the money because a kid was kicked out. Their typical MO is to make such unreasonable requests of the families that they decide to withdraw. Something like sending the kid to RCI for the fourth time for something rediculous. This is something that you would never be able to prove, but it happens.
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I would also like to add, if you don't know, I am willing to help out in any way possible...