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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 17, 2006, 10:50:58 AM
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Folks, google "Sue Scheff" in Google news, and take a look at the articles. She's being written up as far away as India and Australia. This case is turning out to be historical.
Jeff Berryman
When I mount my horse, ALL THE WINDMILLS IN SPAIN TREMBLE!
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OK lets all googel - and lets all write the reporters who've covered this account with the rest of the story.
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/l ... 62871.html (http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/law-reins-in-wild-webbers/2006/10/12/1160246262871.html)
Law reins in wild webbers
Email Print Normal font Large font Kenneth Nguyen
October 13, 2006
BLOGGERS beware: thoughtless musings in cyberspace can have costly consequences.
That's one lesson that might be gleaned from a Florida jury's decision last week to order a Louisiana woman to pay $US11.3 million ($15.2 million) in compensation, after she used an internet forum to accuse another woman of being a con artist and a fraud. The damages award is believed to be the largest relating to amateur postings on the internet.
The Louisiana woman, Carey Bock, posted the accusations against Sue Scheff, of Florida, on Fornits.Com, a bulletin board used by parents of troubled teenagers.
[Has the traffic increased? How many struggling parents are finding Fornits?]
For Australian defamation experts, the US jury's order is a reminder that online communications are subject to the same legal risks as older media such as newspapers.
"Bloggers do need to take care because liability can attach to what you write," said a defamation law lecturer at the University of Sydney, David Rolph. "Given the global nature of the internet, they could be liable under not just Australian law but under the laws of other places as well."
A blog entry about a person will be considered defamatory if reasonable people would think less of the person because of the entry.
[Even if it's true?]
Other lawsuits before the US courts include that of Todd Hollis, a Pittsburgh lawyer, whose name appeared on DontDateHimGirl.com, a website on which women comment on men they claim to have known.
Ms Scheff said she was still paying off the legal fees for her action and accepted she would get little of the $US11.3 million. "But this award is vindication," she said. "I hope it does make people think twice about what they post on the internet. When people post, they are writing from emotion, and it can be very damaging."
Dr Rolph said Australian laws would not allow compensation orders here to be as large as that awarded in Ms Scheff's case. Uniform defamation laws, which came into effect in January, cap damages at $250,000 and prohibit the awarding of punitive damages. Make an online accusation against an American, though, and a damages bill in the millions could yet eventuate.
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The few supporters that sue-Sue has I have finally gotten a straight answer as to why. Certain people, whom are against the teen lock up industry are concentrating their efforts to stop WWASP. It does appear that sue-Sue is against WWASP. Therefore, her few supporters are standing by her in that cause. The fact that sue-Sue makes a profit off of sending kids to other lock up units, doesn't really matter.
I guess my point on this, I am against the whole teen lock up industry. Not just WWASP. This would be the people profiting from this industry, such as sue-Sue.
Kind of like when the police let all the little druggies free if they will help nab the big dealer.
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I googled per Berryman's suggestion and among the selections on 1st page were these:
Sponsored Links
Sue Scheff
Documentary film re: Paula Reeves
exposing child abuse at WWASP.
paulareeves.com
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WebWire® | Sue Scheff And Florida Company Win Empty Victory Over ...BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA (October 6, 2006) - On September 19, 2006, Parents Universal Resource Experts, Inc. (PURE) and its founder, Sue Scheff of Weston, ...
www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=21761 (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=21761) - 20k - Oct 17, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=21761 (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=21761)
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[PDF] Statement from Richard and Joyce Harris Parents of a Former ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Another person who misrepresented Whitmore Academy to us was Sue Scheff of ... Sue Scheff said that she visited the Whitmore Academy often and that a person ...
http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf)
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cafety.org - Re:Paula Reeves :TRANQUILITY BAY STEVEN, LAYNE, DA ...3) Sue Scheff apparently has made somewhere in the region of over 70 referrals ... 4) Sue Scheff has repeatedly made excuses for abusive programs she makes ...
cafety.org/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=228&catid=4&limit=... - 50k - Cached - Similar pages
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... itstart=20 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=228&catid=4&limit=10&limitstart=20)
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Great suggestion Berryman, thanks!
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Oh NO, I don't think Jeff meant for his post to be construed this way. Oooops. Kinda made Sue look worse than what I already thought of her. Oh well, THANKS!!!!
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Jeff Berryman, thank you for the GOOGLE suggestion. There is a lot to read about Sue-SUE:
www.dailybuisinessreview.com (http://www.dailybuisinessreview.com)
"Sue Scheff is simply another person in the industry of people who makes money from the plight of frightented partents.
www.flyinghedgehogs.com (http://www.flyinghedgehogs.com)
"I think sue scheff is a "crook" a "con artist" and a "fraud." She's probably also ugly and unlike the poor woman she just won 11.3 million from."
www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
Statement from Susan Schacherer...
"My daugher was placed at Whitmore at the recommendation of Sue Scheff. I had expressed my concerns about my daughter being placed in a school......"
www,oyredeceit.com
Pure Rebuttal
"Help your teens truth on Pure foundation Sue Scheff on the lies she has told...Sue Scheff was a World Wide Association supporter and....."
Jeff, it just goes on and on. Thanks.
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Sue Scheff and PURE Win Empty Victory over New Orleans Mom
International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC)
10/9/2006 9:21:45 PM
BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA (October 10, 2006) - On September 19, 2006, Parents Universal Resource Experts, Inc. (PURE) and its founder, Sue Scheff of Weston, Florida won an $11.3 million dollar victory of hollow sorts over a single mom from New Orleans by alleging defamation over the Internet. Although it is doubtful the verdict will be collected, it may serve to chill free speech of those attempting to expose child abuse or untoward business practices.
The mom, Carey Bock, had publicly criticized the business practices of Scheff and PURE in referring children to allegedly abusive programs. Scheff met the mother?s complaints with a lawsuit reminiscent of one filed against Scheff in 2001.
The mom lacked the financial resources to defend herself or to attend her own trial in Florida. Before trial, Ms. Bock relocated her small family from the New Orleans area to Texas in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. This, however, did not stop Scheff and PURE from coming full-steam after the mom for alleged defamation and other claims. As a result, without the benefit of hearing the mom?s side of the story, a jury had little choice but to award the $11.3 million dollar verdict requested by the lawyer for Scheff and her company.
According to the Daily Business Review, Scheff also named Ginger Warbis as co-defendant. Warbis, who runs a web site critical of Scheff, obtained a well-known lawyer who successfully defeated Scheff?s claims of defamation: ?Warbis? lawyer, Philip Elberg, of Medvin & Elberg of Newark, New Jersey, sharply criticized Scheff and other people who refer parents to programs for troubled teens. ?People in this industry have consistently used their money and their access to lawyers to silence critics of the industry and this may be one of those examples,? Elberg said. ?Sue Scheff is simply another person in the industry of people who make money from the plight of frightened parents.??
The Daily Business Review, noting that Scheff won effectively only by default, paraphrased Scheff?s attorney, stating, ?Bock was not present for the jury trial, which was held to determine damages only. . . .?
Ironically, a separate lawsuit had been filed in Utah against Scheff and PURE by the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), containing similar allegations as those raised by Scheff against the New Orleans mom. Scheff lost all counter-claims against WWASP but was not found liable for claims of damage allegedly caused when Scheff posted Internet statements asserting child abuse by WWASP. Scheff admitted she used false names to do so. While her case pended, Scheff removed representations from her web site which falsely stated Scheff holds a college degree.
The recent Florida verdict also ignored abuse allegations at children?s programs to which Scheff refers families because the jury never heard the opposing evidence. The owner of one such program to which Scheff made referrals, Whitmore Academy, was initially charged with multiple counts of child abuse and hazing in connection with four children at the boarding school. The owner recently pled no contest to four counts of hazing, and was ordered to pay fines and complete community service. The prosecuting attorney told the Deseret News, ?I believe it effectively shuts them down in the state of Utah.? According to a September 2006 news article by the Deseret News, ?The former operator of a therapeutic school [Whitmore Academy] for troubled youths, who has been kicked out of Mexico and accused of starving horses in Canada, has agreed not to run another rehabilitation school in Juab County.?
The allegations of child abuse did not deter Scheff from enrolling children for a profitable sum of money. In a separate case, the United States Court of Appeals found that defendants PURE and Sue Scheff, "[C]ompete with the schools associated with World Wide. PURE schools pay Ms. Scheff a substantial sum whenever a child enrolls in its program based on her recommendation."
According to the non-profit International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC), Scheff and her company are on the ISAC ?watch list? for questionable practices that may place children at risk for abuse or neglect. ####
Sources:
http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/)
http://www.helpatanycost.com/ (http://www.helpatanycost.com/)
http://www.isaccorp.org/referrals.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/referrals.asp)
http://michellesuttonmemorial.homestead.com/ (http://michellesuttonmemorial.homestead.com/)
http://www.help-for-teen.com/ (http://www.help-for-teen.com/)
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/home.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/home.html)
http://www.wwaspinfo.com/ (http://www.wwaspinfo.com/)
http://www.teenhelpindustry.info/ (http://www.teenhelpindustry.info/)
http://www.paulareeves.com/ (http://www.paulareeves.com/)
http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/ (http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/)
http://www.kathymoya.com/index.html (http://www.kathymoya.com/index.html)
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp ... &aId=19977 (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?SESSIONID=&aId=19977)
http://www.majon.com/advanced/pressrele ... eeves.html (http://www.majon.com/advanced/pressreleases/paulareeves.html)
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650192749,00.html (http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650192749,00.html)
Related Links
Referral Free Zone
www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
Author of Recent Book
www.helpatanycost.com/ (http://www.helpatanycost.com/)
Michelle Sutton Death
michellesuttonmemorial.homestead.com/
Contact Information
Shelby Earnshaw
Founder
International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC)
(540) 522-6231
isaccorp@yahoo.com
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What you don't get Jeffie is that Sue-Sue would have thrown you under the bus any time if it helped her self promotion. Did ya know Sue-Sue was sending you photo all over to her so-called friends adn laughing at you? Bet ya didnt know that about your good friend sue-Sue.
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This is great Sue-Sue cause you AND YOUR IDIOT FRIEND IZZY made Fornits.com FAMOUS!!!! :wstupid: ::bangin::
From the Guardian
"The Louisiana woman, Carey Bock, posted the accusations against Sue Scheff, of Florida, on Fornits.Com, a bulletin board used by parents of troubled teenagers."
Thanks---- :D
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Sue-Sue---you wouldnt mind if Carey Bock just READS Fornits.com would you? Are you gonna sue Carey for READING Fornits.com? :lol:
This is great Sue-Sue cause you AND YOUR IDIOT FRIEND IZZY made Fornits.com FAMOUS!!!! :wstupid: ::bangin::
From the Guardian
"The Louisiana woman, Carey Bock, posted the accusations against Sue Scheff, of Florida, on Fornits.Com, a bulletin board used by parents of troubled teenagers."
Thanks---- :D
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Our lawyer told us to make sure we say that "this is just our OPINIONS" mrs public figure
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Breaking News ...
The multi-billion dollar teen help industry is NOT REGULATED by the federal government.
BUYER BEWARE!
This includes the multi-million-dollar sub-cottage REFERRAL industry which is comprised of educational consultants, referral companies and even program parents who refer to children's programs for a profit. There are NO federal regulations governing this lucrative industry either. Anyone can call themselves an "educational consultant" regardless of whether they have a college degree and meet the standards of the IECA which at least attempts to self-regulate their members (e.g. does not allow members to accept fees from the programs themselves as this is considered a violation of ethics and/or standards of professionalism. See link below)
DISCLAIMER: TIMOBOFAT (This is my opinion based on facts and truth)
SOURCES
Help At Any Cost: How the troubled teen industry cons parents and hurts kids by Maia Szalavitz (See book promotion on Fornits upper right corner. BUY THE BOOK!)
Website: http://www.helpatanycost.com (http://www.helpatanycost.com)
Press Release:
Buyer Beware of Businesses Exploiting Children and Families
http://isaccorp.org/pressreleases/referralfreezone.html (http://isaccorp.org/pressreleases/referralfreezone.html)
The Michelle Sutton Memorial Foundation
BUYER BEWARE: A Parent's Nightmare
http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com (http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com)
Independent Educational Consultants Association
http://www.educationalconsulting.org/consult_non.html (http://www.educationalconsulting.org/consult_non.html)
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If Carey Bock appeals this verdict--can any and all possible anonymoust postings by Sue Scheff be presented as evidence that Sue Scheff may have been guility of the same thing she accused Carey Bock of doing?
Note I said "possible" and "may have"
Just asking a question, OK?
Now don't be SUING me Sue/Sue.
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What was so funny about the Jeff Berryman picture that Sue/Sue was passing around?
No one seems to care that the only picture floating around of Sue/Sue is the "shot" of her in the red top. When this same shot was posted on PURE way back when- her daughter was also in it; but the daughter has since been cropped out.
Perhaps Sue/Sue is is just fond of this pose?
Or maybe she doesn't want to post a new one showing her proper, natural, aging process? Who knows? You'd have to ask her.
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Jeff Berryman was more interesting when he was an independent advocate. :rofl: Lately it seems like he only surfaces when there's another lawsuit filed against WWASPS and he wants to get the word out on who to contact. He's done it here, on Cafety and probably other forums as well. He may be a nice guy but he certainly doesn't have much to say that is meaningful to non-wwasps folks. Psst Jeff - it aint' just about WWASPS. Ever heard of a program called Whitmore? HLA? Both these programs have been sued in case you haven't noticed. One is even a PURE referred program (Whitmore) but I'm sure you are already aware of that. So why the silence? Or have you spoken out and I missed it? If so, post a link. I'll be glad to read your opinion.
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Seriously Jeff, you start a thread called JEFF crows? What the heck does that mean? What are people supposed to think here? Come on, talk to us! This passive-aggressive kind of posting is getting us nowhere. I wanna know how you really feel.
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Get real jeffie. your great friend Sue-Sue was mocking you when she sent your photo all over to her other "friends" and here you are trying to defend her CACKIE-WACKIE.
dont you see your being used again by Sue-Sue and cackie-wackie?
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What was so funny about the Jeff Berryman picture that Sue/Sue was passing around?
No one seems to care that the only picture floating around of Sue/Sue is the "shot" of her in the red top. When this same shot was posted on PURE way back when- her daughter was also in it; but the daughter has since been cropped out.
Perhaps Sue/Sue is is just fond of this pose?
Or maybe she doesn't want to post a new one showing her proper, natural, aging process? Who knows? You'd have to ask her.
If this is true, then in my opinion, that's very sad. Berryman has been advocating against private programs since the late 90's. Well before Scheff and Isabelle , who from what I can tell, only started CAICA last year.
Jeff, if you're reading may I say that although I do not agree with outfits like PURE who refer to programs who pay a commission (finders' fee) to them because of my concerns about conflict of interest, you (and a few others who were also around at the same time) deserve respect for speaking out when no one else could or would.
You used to write some good stuff too, but now as posted elsewhere, it seems you are mainly focused on getting the word out about WWASPS lawsuits. Not that this is bad or wrong, but there are other lawsuits out there that are worthy of the same attention. It would be nice if you were more even handed and at least acknowledged the suffering of other kids, the hard work of their parents to seek justice, and the advocates who support these families.
Truth be told, It's not all about WWASPS, PURE and CAICA.
Not by a long shot.
So please wake up and smell the coffee. And if someone is passing around your picture and making fun, tell them to grow up, because IMO that is a shameful, very immature and unkind thing to do.
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/law-reins-in-wild-webbers/2006/10/12/1160246262871.html
A blog entry about a person will be considered defamatory if reasonable people would think less of the person because of the entry.
[Even if it's true?]
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That was Carey's problem though Deborah. She did not front up to offer a truth defence and the jury awarded against her.
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I miss Jeff Berryman posting here too. I can understand why he left though. WWASPS is a huge organization, and requires a lot of time and attention to fully understand how it works. If he wants to focus on that, and only that, that's his choice.
BTW- I am soooooooooooo tired of the Sue/Izzy/Caica crap. It's getting sooooooooooooo old and crusty reading the same personal insults time and time again. Can you please lay off for a while. It's like feeding me a loaf of burnt toast, giving me no water, then asking me to run a 10k marathon in the 110 degree heat.
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Indeed. Children are still being fucking tortured here. If you don't have anything nastier to say than the "MGDP reveals" thread, shut the hell up about Sue and Izzy and all that mindless crap.
More takedowns, more lawsuits, less bitching.
Christ I wish I was a mod here. No, I wouldn't delete anything, but I WOULD move all the crap to a special "Sue Scheff" forum where it belongs.
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I miss Jeff Berryman posting here too. I can understand why he left though. WWASPS is a huge organization, and requires a lot of time and attention to fully understand how it works. If he wants to focus on that, and only that, that's his choice.
BTW- I am soooooooooooo tired of the Sue/Izzy/Caica crap. It's getting sooooooooooooo old and crusty reading the same personal insults time and time again. Can you please lay off for a while. It's like feeding me a loaf of burnt toast, giving me no water, then asking me to run a 10k marathon in the 110 degree heat.
Oh please, posting about WWASPS lawsuits requires a lot of time and attention? Baawaaahahahaa! I can do it in 5 minutes or less.
"Listen up, there's a class action lawsuit being filed against WWASPS. Call the Turley Law FIrm at XXXXXXXXX and have a great day!"
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As for Sue and Izzie, I hit the snooze button about 4 days ago when I realized the jurors only decided damages.
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WHITMORE is the civil lawsuit to watch, IMO along with HLA. Two very important cases for the troubled teens industry because they focus on non-WWASPS programs --- sending a message of BUYER BEWARE about the entire industry - not just a program attached to one of the larger groups (WWASPS, CEDU).
Now, CCM, even you have to agree It's about time some of these other programs got some press. Abuse is abuse, doesn't matter what program or how big (small) it is, right? These children and parents deserve their day in court too, regardless of whether they are ex-wwaspies or not.
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Free Speech is a Contsitutional Right, Not A Privilege to be earned by Program Kids.
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Well then write the press yourself about the cases of Whitmore, and HLA. You seem to be a real know it all on those matters. Some of us aren't, or we are busy dealing with other shit. So, if it's not getting done how you would like it to be done.......then do something about it yourself. Afterall, it only takes 5 minutes? :roll:
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I think the important thing to remember is HLA and Whitmore are single facility organizations. WWASP is a very large organization with multiple facilities and a long history of shady business practices and abuse. Investigating and understanding WWASP is a long drawn out process. I have my own doubts that it will be any single lawsuit that will bring WWASP down though. To much money to be made, and the way they have set up their corperate structure almost seems to protect them in some ways from class action law suits.
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An Open Letter to Jeff Berryman,
Jeff, it is true that Scheff was passing around your picture and I know because I got a copy 3rd hand with your friend's rude wisecracks. This woman is a lot of things but she is not your friend. I won't even tell you what she said about you but it was horrible. And she continues. She uses IZZY too but she deserves it. you do not.
Now, here you are promoting Sue and defending her but you know the truth now. I'm sorry Jeff that you are one of Sue Scheff's victims too, but have the strength to walk away. The worst is over with her--just get the hell away from her Jeff. She an evil manipulating jerk off. Save yourself.
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I don't know if this is true or not, but IF it is, then I can not help but wonder if any of these so-called PURE supporters have an ounce of self-respect? Why would you people tolerate such despictable behavior from this person, Sue Scheff? Was Jeff Berryman not a member of your own group? Trying to help you in some way? I am truly disgusted and hope Jeff has the good sense to move on with his life because there is definitly something wrong with this picture (no pun intended). In my opinion, it's like you all are back in high school, not grown adults, and parents for christ's sake. Grow up!
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