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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: FLCLcowdude on October 15, 2006, 07:54:44 PM
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FLCLcowdude (7:32:27 PM): Your poor children...
NikeKSA1 went away at 7:32:27 PM.
NikeKSA1 (7:33:07 PM): my children are adults
FLCLcowdude (7:33:21 PM): Well, when they were children...
NikeKSA1 (7:33:38 PM): and you are the expert on them why?
NikeKSA1 (7:33:45 PM): they seem to be just fine, thanks
FLCLcowdude (7:34:06 PM): Yeah, because you traumatized them into being that way...
NikeKSA1 (7:34:22 PM): first of all, only 1 went to any type of program
NikeKSA1 (7:34:31 PM): and the one who went to a program is far from traumatized
FLCLcowdude (7:34:48 PM): I went to a program
NikeKSA1 (7:34:53 PM): which one?
FLCLcowdude (7:34:55 PM): HLA
FLCLcowdude (7:35:00 PM): I have nightmares
NikeKSA1 (7:35:02 PM): HLA sounds pretty bad
FLCLcowdude (7:35:22 PM): Programs are nothing but a joke
NikeKSA1 (7:35:33 PM): I disagree- there are some good programs
FLCLcowdude (7:35:34 PM): They are basicly expensive rehab
FLCLcowdude (7:35:41 PM): Like what?
NikeKSA1 (7:35:50 PM): Second Nature, Carlbrook
NikeKSA1 (7:36:03 PM): my son did not need rehab
NikeKSA1 (7:36:03 PM): he was not a substance abuser
FLCLcowdude (7:36:16 PM): But why would you ever send your kid to one?
NikeKSA1 (7:36:27 PM): he needed strict supervision, therapy
FLCLcowdude (7:36:39 PM): He needs a mother, someone to love him!
NikeKSA1 (7:36:41 PM): because he could not stay at home and had ruined his educational options
NikeKSA1 (7:36:59 PM): he still had a mother AND a father who loved him and saved his future
NikeKSA1 (7:37:03 PM): he appreciates that
FLCLcowdude (7:37:07 PM): And don't tell me you loved him so much you sent him away
NikeKSA1 (7:37:32 PM): he was stealing from our home, stealing our cars- wrecked two of our cars, one in a near fatal accident which almost killed one of his friends
NikeKSA1 (7:37:44 PM): was kicked out of a prep school he loved
FLCLcowdude (7:37:50 PM): Why?
NikeKSA1 (7:37:52 PM): was stealing from parents of friends
FLCLcowdude (7:38:02 PM): If he loved it, he wouldn't have gotten kicked out
NikeKSA1 (7:38:14 PM): that's stupid- he thought he was entitled to break rules
FLCLcowdude (7:38:27 PM): Because, you led him to believe thta
NikeKSA1 (7:38:29 PM): prep schools have strict rules, and he pushed the limits too far
FLCLcowdude (7:38:29 PM): *that
NikeKSA1 (7:38:49 PM): he got kicked out of a school at the end of 8th grade and another at the end of 10th
NikeKSA1 (7:38:56 PM): what do you suggest we should have done?
FLCLcowdude (7:39:15 PM): I suggest you should have never sent him away in the first place
FLCLcowdude (7:39:24 PM): Boys need their mothers!
FLCLcowdude (7:39:36 PM): They need someone who won't feed them a ration of shit
FLCLcowdude (7:39:51 PM): You set your kids up for failure
FLCLcowdude (7:40:06 PM): With age comes maturity
NikeKSA1 (7:40:16 PM): that's funny- my son is one of the most successful young men you will ever meet
FLCLcowdude (7:40:31 PM): He got that way by not listening to you!
NikeKSA1 (7:40:39 PM): perhaps
FLCLcowdude (7:40:52 PM): Thank you, case in point...
NikeKSA1 (7:41:09 PM): the issue isn't my parenting- the issue is whether my son was harmed by a program- and he wasn't
FLCLcowdude (7:41:33 PM): The issue is your parenting sucks, so you sent him to somewhere worse
NikeKSA1 (7:41:35 PM): he gained a lot of maturity- realized what he was costing himself- got his shit together and got out of the program before completing it
NikeKSA1 (7:41:47 PM): Second Nature and Carlbrook were fine for him
NikeKSA1 (7:42:02 PM): he hated Carlbrook, but realized he needed to bew there to assure the future he wanted
FLCLcowdude (7:42:24 PM): Ever see thoes jenny cragi commercials, where they say results are not typical
NikeKSA1 (7:42:28 PM): I'm sorry you have trouble understanding that, but I don't think you understand how kids at the level of mine function
FLCLcowdude (7:42:28 PM): You got lucky
NikeKSA1 (7:42:43 PM): many of the kids from Carlbrook are doing really well
FLCLcowdude (7:42:45 PM): I am a kid at that level!
NikeKSA1 (7:42:49 PM): not all- but many
NikeKSA1 (7:43:05 PM): I can assure you that my son is not harrassing parents on the internet, so you are not at his level
FLCLcowdude (7:43:14 PM): I have been kicked around by my mother
NikeKSA1 (7:43:21 PM): I didn't kick my son around
NikeKSA1 (7:43:28 PM): he has a strong personality and had a lot of entitlement
FLCLcowdude (7:43:33 PM): You sure did by sending him to so many schools
NikeKSA1 (7:43:37 PM): he was that way since pre-school
FLCLcowdude (7:43:46 PM): How many year books has he been in>
FLCLcowdude (7:43:48 PM): ?
FLCLcowdude (7:43:54 PM): A dozen or more?
NikeKSA1 (7:43:55 PM): he went to a number of schools because he got kicked out
NikeKSA1 (7:44:18 PM): he graduated from a great school and is doing well in college-
NikeKSA1 (7:44:42 PM): I sent him to the schools he wanted to attend (except for Carlbrook)
FLCLcowdude (7:45:17 PM): But, you decided that you would let other people raise your kids?
FLCLcowdude (7:45:37 PM): *...
NikeKSA1 (7:45:50 PM): sending a kid to boarding school is not the same as letting other people raise your kids
FLCLcowdude (7:46:07 PM): Not a boarding school, a behavior modification place
NikeKSA1 (7:46:18 PM): he was in program for a year
FLCLcowdude (7:46:32 PM): That is a year he can never get back!
NikeKSA1 (7:46:34 PM): yes, I was more than willing to turn him over to someone else- he was out of control at home-
FLCLcowdude (7:47:00 PM): He was out of control, because you let him get that way!
NikeKSA1 (7:47:10 PM): that's right- and a year where he made dear friends who he still talks to and sees all the time- a year where he straightened out his life- a year with mentors that helped him see wehre he wanted to go next
FLCLcowdude (7:47:25 PM): Nothing but money sucking leaches
FLCLcowdude (7:47:31 PM): That is all they are
NikeKSA1 (7:47:36 PM): it doesn't really matter how he got out of control- the point was that he was (and he will admit that)
FLCLcowdude (7:47:49 PM): Yeah, it does
NikeKSA1 (7:47:56 PM): Sorry- but the founders of Second Nature and Carlbrook are far from money sucking leeches
FLCLcowdude (7:47:59 PM): You are the spawn of his problems
FLCLcowdude (7:48:09 PM): You made him that way!
FLCLcowdude (7:48:12 PM): You are his parent
NikeKSA1 (7:48:13 PM): so what?
NikeKSA1 (7:48:27 PM): even if that is true, does that mean we shouldn't try to help him?
FLCLcowdude (7:48:39 PM): You should do it your self
FLCLcowdude (7:48:48 PM): You will build a better relation in the process
NikeKSA1 (7:48:49 PM): we tried- couldn't do it- he will admit that, too
FLCLcowdude (7:48:56 PM): What did you try?
NikeKSA1 (7:48:57 PM): he wouldn't talk to us, listen to us, obey us
NikeKSA1 (7:49:09 PM): how much harm was the family supposed to suffer by keeping him at home?
FLCLcowdude (7:49:16 PM): You gave up!
NikeKSA1 (7:49:20 PM): let him kill someone with our cars?
NikeKSA1 (7:49:26 PM): let him ruin his educational future?
FLCLcowdude (7:49:33 PM): You should hide the keys better ;-)
NikeKSA1 (7:49:42 PM): I assure you, if he had not gone away when he did, he would NOT be where he is today
FLCLcowdude (7:50:13 PM): He is successfull, also in part because you sent him away.
FLCLcowdude (7:50:19 PM): Wanna know why?
NikeKSA1 (7:50:28 PM): he is not a program kid- he hated the therapy- but he knew he needed to be away
FLCLcowdude (7:50:33 PM): He didn't have to listen to you!
NikeKSA1 (7:50:36 PM): your insulting me doesn't bother me at all-
NikeKSA1 (7:50:40 PM): he didn't listen to me anyway
NikeKSA1 (7:50:52 PM): i'm not the one who got him kicked out of his prep school
FLCLcowdude (7:50:58 PM): Plain and simple, you are a terrible mother
FLCLcowdude (7:51:07 PM): I have other stuff to do
NikeKSA1 (7:51:14 PM): I doubt that you do-
NikeKSA1 (7:51:26 PM): you seem like a total waste of human energy- but go have fun
FLCLcowdude (7:51:35 PM): I hope you realize that you are the kind of people who are ruining our youth...
NikeKSA1 (7:51:51 PM): by sending my kid to Carlbrook? I doubt that
FLCLcowdude (7:52:10 PM): I don't
FLCLcowdude (7:52:20 PM): My time has come to an end, good bye!
NikeKSA1 signed off at 7:52:57 PM.
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Why are you talking to her? You don't honestly expect her to say something resembling the truth, do you?
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yeah, that's karen - the carlbrook troll mom.
kid flunked junior year at tbs, was a junkie
mom watches films of junkie kid cornholing girlfriend
dad is gay
mom is beard for gay dad
daughter became clergy so god could help her understand her twisted family
that sums it up
hi, karen ::bangin::
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Pretty much...
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It's easy to pick on Karen or any other program parent, but when I read things like the IM exchange I have to laugh at how clueless some of you are. "Be his parent" and all that horseshit about being better at hiding the car keys or whatever.
I am totally opposed to BM programs and I advocate community-based therapy that keeps families together. But I can appreciate that some families find themselves in a seemingly impossible situation and they don't know what to do.
I don't know about Karen's situation, but some parents have a teen that is quite literally terrorizing the family. Don't tell me you believe that "be a parent" and "listen to him" is going to solve anything. By "terrorizing," I don't mean normal shit like smoking pot, banging his girlfriend, skipping school and being a general shit to his parents. I'm talking real juvenile delinquent stuff -- stealing cash, jewelry, and other valuables from parents and siblings, stealing and wrecking cars, shoplifting, DUI, selling drugs from his parents house, etc.
Some "troubled teens" really are out of control. Some parents would rather not intentionally get the cops involved, although juvi is probably a better place than any BM program. Criticize the parents all you want, but I don't hear a lot of good suggestions for parents whose kids are hard-core delinquents.
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What would you do if someone stole your car? Call the police and file charges. What would you do if someone stole your valuables? The police. Obviously a child like that needs to be locked up. I think a Judge/Jury should decide, not a frantic parent. I know, I was one of those frantic parents that almost lost my child to Bethel Boys Academy, Lucedale, MS. aka Pine View Academy. Thankfully, I found out about these places and rescued him 3 days later. Frantic parents are not good judges, been there, done that.
Cheryle
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It's easy to pick on Karen or any other program parent, but when I read things like the IM exchange I have to laugh at how clueless some of you are. "Be his parent" and all that horseshit about being better at hiding the car keys or whatever.
I am totally opposed to BM programs and I advocate community-based therapy that keeps families together. But I can appreciate that some families find themselves in a seemingly impossible situation and they don't know what to do.
I don't know about Karen's situation, but some parents have a teen that is quite literally terrorizing the family. Don't tell me you believe that "be a parent" and "listen to him" is going to solve anything. By "terrorizing," I don't mean normal shit like smoking pot, banging his girlfriend, skipping school and being a general shit to his parents. I'm talking real juvenile delinquent stuff -- stealing cash, jewelry, and other valuables from parents and siblings, stealing and wrecking cars, shoplifting, DUI, selling drugs from his parents house, etc.
Some "troubled teens" really are out of control. Some parents would rather not intentionally get the cops involved, although juvi is probably a better place than any BM program. Criticize the parents all you want, but I don't hear a lot of good suggestions for parents whose kids are hard-core delinquents.
You forgot:
"This is my first time to this website"
"I don't know Karen or agree with her or anything ... but here is my defense for her actions almost word for word."
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Parents should avoid calling the police at all costs. Even if their child has broken the law.
Unless there is no other recourse, parents who call the police have become their child's worst enemies. We live in the age of the background check and the database and having a record of arrests and convictions or committments closes many doors to a person. The days when a truly reformed man could get a job simply by having a firm handshake and the ability to look another man in the eye are long gone.
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FLCLcowdude (7:47:00 PM): He was out of control, because you let him get that way!
NikeKSA1 (7:47:10 PM): that's right- and a year where he made dear friends who he still talks to and sees all the time- a year where he straightened out his life- a year with mentors that helped him see wehre he wanted to go next
So instead of spending time reccomending programs online and defending your actions, why not instead elaborate on what led to your child becoming an 'out of control teen' in the first place. This would be much more useful information for everybody, what exactly causes a teen to be out of control -- maybe you could help parents from ever having to even decide on whether to use a program.
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To the person who posted:
You forgot:
"This is my first time to this website"
"I don't know Karen or agree with her or anything ... but here is my defense for her actions almost word for word."
If you know what's good for you, you would make it your last. Though at one time I thought it was a decent place to find information, it has become nothing but a place to defame and hurt people, criticize innocent parents who are lost at what to do with their wayward and lost teens, and who are radical in the how they think "shut down all programs!" It's not realistic. They forget there are kids who are killing themselves, cutting themselves, harming others, to name a few, and those kids truly do need help.
There are better places to go than here.
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It's easy to pick on Karen or any other program parent, but when I read things like the IM exchange I have to laugh at how clueless some of you are. "Be his parent" and all that horseshit about being better at hiding the car keys or whatever.
I am totally opposed to BM programs and I advocate community-based therapy that keeps families together. But I can appreciate that some families find themselves in a seemingly impossible situation and they don't know what to do.
I don't know about Karen's situation, but some parents have a teen that is quite literally terrorizing the family. Don't tell me you believe that "be a parent" and "listen to him" is going to solve anything. By "terrorizing," I don't mean normal shit like smoking pot, banging his girlfriend, skipping school and being a general shit to his parents. I'm talking real juvenile delinquent stuff -- stealing cash, jewelry, and other valuables from parents and siblings, stealing and wrecking cars, shoplifting, DUI, selling drugs from his parents house, etc.
Some "troubled teens" really are out of control. Some parents would rather not intentionally get the cops involved, although juvi is probably a better place than any BM program. Criticize the parents all you want, but I don't hear a lot of good suggestions for parents whose kids are hard-core delinquents.
How did the kids get that way? You gotta stop that shit before it gets bad.
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If you know what's good for you, you would make it your last.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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To the person who posted:
You forgot:
"This is my first time to this website"
"I don't know Karen or agree with her or anything ... but here is my defense for her actions almost word for word."
If you know what's good for you, you would make it your last. Though at one time I thought it was a decent place to find information, it has become nothing but a place to defame and hurt people, criticize innocent parents who are lost at what to do with their wayward and lost teens, and who are radical in the how they think "shut down all programs!" It's not realistic. They forget there are kids who are killing themselves, cutting themselves, harming others, to name a few, and those kids truly do need help.
There are better places to go than here.
if this is the case, then those kids need REAL help, like a 30-day psychiatric stabilization. how the HELL do you think a teen warehouse is going to help with severe psychopathology you described? man, you're clueless.
"programs" treat NOTHING. it's a proven fact that kids that go to "programs" do NO BETTER than kids who receive NO TREATMENT AT ALL and sometimes get WORSE.
you can save that bullshit argument for someone shopping for a warehouse.
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Parents should avoid calling the police at all costs. Even if their child has broken the law.
Unless there is no other recourse, parents who call the police have become their child's worst enemies. We live in the age of the background check and the database and having a record of arrests and convictions or committments closes many doors to a person. The days when a truly reformed man could get a job simply by having a firm handshake and the ability to look another man in the eye are long gone.
A juvenile's criminal record is sealed when he hits 21
An adjudicated child has access to a lawyer to defend his rights
An adjudicated child gets an education
An adjudicated child gets access to his family
An adjudicated child gets fed to a certain carefully monitored minimum standard.
An adjudicated kid has access to competant medical and psychiatric facilities subject to oversight be an independant third party.
In short, a child in juvenile lockup is better off than a child in a behavioural modification facility.
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Yeah, but juvenile lockup will not sell the parents false hopes and dreams, and let them engage in cult like activities... that's what they are paying for... that and total control. Something else they lose with the justice system.
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You are being very naive. A child should be kept OUT of the legal system by any means. If you think being in a juvenile detention facility is preferable to a therapeutic school, you are gravely mistaken. The teen is exposed to hardened criminals, gets worthless education and loses all hope for higher level post-high school education. You may try to claim this happens at a teen help school, but it is simply not even in the same league.
If I were Cowdude, I would not have posted this conversation with this woman because it makes him look like a stupid and immature little kid. She absolutely slaughtered him. I'm sure she expected him to put the text on this site, which is why she even engaged with him. Also, if you follow the thread, the reply of "That's right" referred to the fact that her son lost a year of his life, not to the fact that she "made him that way".
Cowdude, I assume you are slinking away with your tail between your legs. I gather you weren't on the debate team at school. Boy, did you get hammered.
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You are being very naive. A child should be kept OUT of the legal system by any means. If you think being in a juvenile detention facility is preferable to a therapeutic school, you are gravely mistaken. The teen is exposed to hardened criminals, gets worthless education and loses all hope for higher level post-high school education. You may try to claim this happens at a teen help school, but it is simply not even in the same league.
If I were Cowdude, I would not have posted this conversation with this woman because it makes him look like a stupid and immature little kid. She absolutely slaughtered him. I'm sure she expected him to put the text on this site, which is why she even engaged with him. Also, if you follow the thread, the reply of "That's right" referred to the fact that her son lost a year of his life, not to the fact that she "made him that way".
Cowdude, I assume you are slinking away with your tail between your legs. I gather you weren't on the debate team at school. Boy, did you get hammered.
You are a skilled and funny satirist, or you are karen.
You know what looks stupid, someone refusing to acknowledge what everybody else already knows.
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FLCLcowdude (7:47:00 PM): He was out of control, because you let him get that way!
NikeKSA1 (7:47:10 PM): that's right- and a year where he made dear friends who he still talks to and sees all the time- a year where he straightened out his life- a year with mentors that helped him see wehre he wanted to go next
So instead of spending time reccomending programs online and defending your actions, why not instead elaborate on what led to your child becoming an 'out of control teen' in the first place. This would be much more useful information for everybody, what exactly causes a teen to be out of control -- maybe you could help parents from ever having to even decide on whether to use a program.
The silence is deafening.
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yeah, that's karen - the carlbrook troll mom.
kid flunked junior year at tbs, was a junkie
mom watches films of junkie kid cornholing girlfriend
dad is gay
mom is beard for gay dad
daughter became clergy so god could help her understand her twisted family
that sums it up
hi, karen ::bangin::
I wonder if she kept the videos?
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None of the above is true. Kid did so well academically at TBS that he left to go to strong prep school. Dad is not gay and, by the way, has never lived in California (another frequent claim on this forum), mom is not a beard, mom doesn't watch videos of kid, daughter is not clergy but is in college (where in the hell did you get THAT one?)
Another Parent from ST
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NikeKSA1 (7:34:22 PM): first of all, only 1 went to any type of program
Is it just coincidence that the other child spent two years in a boarding school as well?
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The other child went to an arts academy- by choice.
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This has been covered overandoverandover again? Who cares.
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Sounds like that house was falling apart, having to ship off both kids, seems kind of weird.
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You are being very naive. A child should be kept OUT of the legal system by any means. If you think being in a juvenile detention facility is preferable to a therapeutic school, you are gravely mistaken. The teen is exposed to hardened criminals, gets worthless education and loses all hope for higher level post-high school education. You may try to claim this happens at a teen help school, but it is simply not even in the same league.
If I were Cowdude, I would not have posted this conversation with this woman because it makes him look like a stupid and immature little kid. She absolutely slaughtered him. I'm sure she expected him to put the text on this site, which is why she even engaged with him. Also, if you follow the thread, the reply of "That's right" referred to the fact that her son lost a year of his life, not to the fact that she "made him that way".
Cowdude, I assume you are slinking away with your tail between your legs. I gather you weren't on the debate team at school. Boy, did you get hammered.
I really am just an angry person, and I am just trying to save children from people like you. Why do you feel you have to stand up for Karen? The only program that would work is one that is not for profit, and one that is not abusive. Lets see, that knocks off every single one of them. Emotionally scarring a child is not the way to go...
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None of the above is true. Kid did so well academically at TBS that he left to go to strong prep school. Dad is not gay and, by the way, has never lived in California (another frequent claim on this forum), mom is not a beard, mom doesn't watch videos of kid, daughter is not clergy but is in college (where in the hell did you get THAT one?)
Another Parent from ST
Ask Karen about "Reverend Bitch." She's already posted it on the internet. Also posted about finding and watching the video of her kid poking his girl. Your facts are not correct.
Oh, yeah, and you're "Not Karen." I know. I know.
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carlbrookmom
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:50 am Post subject: Son went to Carlbrook
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Most of these comments are SO way off base about Carlbrook. My son was among one of the first graduating classes of the school at the end of 2004. CARLBROOK SAVED HIS LIFE. He gained back his feelings of self-worth and self-esteem. He believed in himself again after years of feeling he would never amount to anything. He felt motivated to do his schoolwork again. The sparkle came back into his eyes. He stands tall and proud. He is confident. And now, in his second year in College, he is a straight A student at the top Engineering school in the country (something Justin Merritt, Carlbrook's College Advisor, worked hours to help make happen.)
The founders of the school sacrificed a great deal to give up their businesses, careers, etc. and relocate to the middle of Virginia. They then put their hearts, souls, money, futures into this dream of theirs which was to make the perfect school for kids who are today, like they were when they were teens. They culled the best talent and won them over to leave everything and bring their families to Virginia to join them in building this dream. All of these educators, counselors, people who were so experienced in working with troubled teens knew that so many schools fall provide inadequate programs that do not improve these kids at all. Grant and Matthew wanted to develop a program that they wished they had had, back when they were teens. They felt that with the right staff and resources, they could succeed in getting kids back on track.
Grant Price and Matthew Lovell had a vision and brought in the talent (including themselves) to make it a reality. My son now keeps in touch with many successful alumnae of Carlbrook who continue to be doing well in College and have not lapsed back into old patterns.
For parents considering these schools: Do research...Use an education Consultant if there is a good one in your community. He/she will guide you toward a good fit for your child. Good luck
And as a parent, I can tell you, for my son, I will be forever indebted to them.
this is the motivation behind posters like karen and carlbrooktrollmom. when you see the "true believers" it really gets clear.
these are the weakest-minded among us. they don't think rationally any longer and their vocabularies are laden with program-speak.
this is how this network of businesses proagates. they get a stoolie on the hook and use them to mindlessly propagandize without facts or evidence to other stoolies who in turn do the same. these people are incapable of factual discussion and retreat into fallacy when challenged.
this is why i never try to scare them away. i try to let them talk because evry once in a while you can get a good glimpse at who's behind the curtain...
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You are being very naive. A child should be kept OUT of the legal system by any means. If you think being in a juvenile detention facility is preferable to a therapeutic school, you are gravely mistaken. The teen is exposed to hardened criminals, gets worthless education and loses all hope for higher level post-high school education. You may try to claim this happens at a teen help school, but it is simply not even in the same league.
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mmm, why do Juvenile detention centres have lower recidivism rates, higher highschool graduation rates and better child abuse records than Behaviour modificaiton centres?
I'm not saying juvie is good.
I'm saying BM is fucking awful
Cite your sources, MA?
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Ya know, there are more options than juvenille hall (calling cops on kid) and a program three thousand miles away. I know program parents like to limit the debate to these two choices, but it just ain't true.
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MA, you are wrong. Juvie is horrible. It will ruin the kid's life. I can't believe you would suggest a parent go that route. See what the rate for going to and graduating from college is after juvie.
The problem with this site is that so much of the information is wrong- both with respect to individuals such as Karen and with respect to issues such as alternatives for teens. You are really off-base with your comments and I hope no one comes here looking for truth.
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MA didn't suggest that Juvenile Hall is a nice place. He did infer that while Juvenile hall is not a nice place to be, he even more rightfully suggested that RTC's are even worst.
In short for the bleeding heart:
Juvies suck..
RTC's suck even worst.
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Further don't most residents who graduate from Carlbrook find themselves in the bind of not being able to attend college as their diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on?
At least in Juvie, those who stay long enough, the kids are able to earn a GED. It isn't much but it will be the same exact bit of paper any Carlbrook grad will end up with.
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MA, you are wrong. Juvie is horrible. It will ruin the kid's life. I can't believe you would suggest a parent go that route. See what the rate for going to and graduating from college is after juvie.
The problem with this site is that so much of the information is wrong- both with respect to individuals such as Karen and with respect to issues such as alternatives for teens. You are really off-base with your comments and I hope no one comes here looking for truth.
I am curious if you saw the TB documnetary that was on Google Video for a while, a few months back. There was a kid on it interviewed (now an adult) who said a group of other kids ganged up on him and attacked him, attempting to murder him in the surf of Jamaica, so that the program would be shut down and/or the kids would get put into juvie, or some other sort of detention other than WWASPS. Talk to WWASPS graduates and drop outs alike and you will hear countless rumors of students attacking other students in an attempt to be charged with assault and enter the justice system in order to escape WWASPS.
Juvenille hall is better than some programs, kids know it, and are willing to hurt other kids in order to prove their point.
I've been to juvie, my life is not ruined. I've been to abusive programs as well, and I don't spend any time posting on juvie abuse boards, why do you think that is?
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"Ask Karen about "Reverend Bitch." She's already posted it on the internet. Also posted about finding and watching the video of her kid poking his girl."
Why don't you get your information correct. You have completely misread (deliberately) posts and taken them completely out of context. What a surprise on this site! You seem particularly fascinated with the whole issue of the video. Gee, when was that? 2003 or so. And no none watched it- I believe the post you are so taken with reported that a video was found and destroyed.
Does this concern me? Not a bit. It just amazes me to see the lengths you creeps go to, in your anger towards your own parents, to attack another family. How long has it been since Karen has been to this site? Come on- you are all IP whizzes. You reported her presence over and over (falsely, no doubt). Her daughter is in college. She is not "clergy". And so what if she is? Seems pretty impressive to me.
You are sad, sad little people. I am so grateful that my kid is not like you. I read her some of the posts from here and she thinks you are all about 12 years old and badly in need of stronger meds.
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You are sad, sad little people.
Here we go again. :roll:
(I'm willing to bet I am bigger than you, why do you keep insisting we are so little. Do you think fornits is inhabitated by midgets or something?)
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If you review the Carlbrook website and the threads, you will see that almost every Carlbrook grad goes on to an excellent college or prep school. There are currently kids at several Ivy League schools, NYU, USC, Wash U, UVA etc. The diplomas are absolutely fine and are honored everywhere.
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"Ask Karen about "Reverend Bitch." She's already posted it on the internet. Also posted about finding and watching the video of her kid poking his girl."
Why don't you get your information correct. You have completely misread (deliberately) posts and taken them completely out of context. What a surprise on this site! You seem particularly fascinated with the whole issue of the video. Gee, when was that? 2003 or so. And no none watched it- I believe the post you are so taken with reported that a video was found and destroyed.
Does this concern me? Not a bit. It just amazes me to see the lengths you creeps go to, in your anger towards your own parents, to attack another family. How long has it been since Karen has been to this site? Come on- you are all IP whizzes. You reported her presence over and over (falsely, no doubt). Her daughter is in college. She is not "clergy". And so what if she is? Seems pretty impressive to me.
You are sad, sad little people. I am so grateful that my kid is not like you. I read her some of the posts from here and she thinks you are all about 12 years old and badly in need of stronger meds.
So you are not karen, as you claim, You go on about her daughter in length. Then you post that you read your kid, 'her', some of the posts here .... if one reads your post carefully it sounds like you are talking about karen's daughter when you are referring to her. I mean, that is the only reason why your kid would care, because the posts concern them, meaning the posts about clergy. You have to keep your hand closer to your chest, karen, you are letting us down! When someone posts in such generic terms as you, refusing to acknowledge gender, location, program names, we all know you are full of shit before we finish the first sentence.
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MA, you are wrong. Juvie is horrible. It will ruin the kid's life. I can't believe you would suggest a parent go that route. See what the rate for going to and graduating from college is after juvie.
The problem with this site is that so much of the information is wrong- both with respect to individuals such as Karen and with respect to issues such as alternatives for teens. You are really off-base with your comments and I hope no one comes here looking for truth.
I was in both an RTC and juvie. Juvie was far better!! Not a nice place, but at least kids have rights in juvie. You have none in an RTC or TBS. None.
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If you review the Carlbrook website and the threads, you will see that almost every Carlbrook grad goes on to an excellent college or prep school. There are currently kids at several Ivy League schools, NYU, USC, Wash U, UVA etc. The diplomas are absolutely fine and are honored everywhere.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=8792&start=15 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=8792&start=15)
I went to carlbrook August 19, 2005-March 1, 2006
a little backround:
I am a former cocaine, xtc, painkiller, benzo, meth addict who was way out of line at home and stealing and arrested for assault and battery. I asked my parents for help and this is what they did:
1. sent me to a residentail treatment center for one month (Hazelden in Minisota)
2. dirrectly sent me to a wilderness program for 7weeks (second nature Utah)
3. dirrectly sent to Carlbrook school in Virginia
My experience at Carlbrook was double sided.
The acedemics there were great and i enjoyed the classes very much.
The "therapy" however was terrible. The owner of the school is border line insane.
i would describe my experience there as abusive un unhelpful.
I would go into specifics but I would go on for pages.
If anyone has any specific questions regarding Carlbrook School feel free to ask me: DImitriBeshkov@hotmail.com
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You are sad, sad little people. I am so grateful that my kid is not like you. I read her some of the posts from here and she thinks you are all about 12 years old and badly in need of stronger meds.
I know you believe this statement. However, whether you believe it not, we are not 12 year olds here. Nor are we drug addicts, losers, on prescription psychotropic meds or deranged in any other way. Rational people can hold the views a lot of us hold, even though you cannot/will not believe this.
Just imagine for a moment that the posters on fornits are productive, successful, intelligent citizens of this country, whom you would otherwise respect if not for our internet posting habits. Just imagine that.
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You are sad, sad little people. I am so grateful that my kid is not like you. I read her some of the posts from here and she thinks you are all about 12 years old and badly in need of stronger meds.
Believe me, when my kids read this site and the shit you people post they get down on their knees and thank God that I wasn't a parent like you.
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See what the rate for going to and graduating from college is after juvie.
What are you saying? That college tuition is higher for a kid who has been to juvie? Never heard this. How much higher? Enough to justify the 50-100K fee paid to warehouse kids while they mature?
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You are sad, sad little people. I am so grateful that my kid is not like you. I read her some of the posts from here and she thinks you are all about 12 years old and badly in need of stronger meds.
Believe me, when my kids read this site and the shit you people post they get down on their knees and thank God that I wasn't a parent like you.
:rofl: Step 1 to a more appreciative child: Have them read Fornits for a while. Would work even better with ST. "Wow, Dad, you're a complete asshole and a stupid motherfucker, but at least you're not a programmie!"
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"Ask Karen about "Reverend Bitch." She's already posted it on the internet. Also posted about finding and watching the video of her kid poking his girl."
Why don't you get your information correct. You have completely misread (deliberately) posts and taken them completely out of context. What a surprise on this site! You seem particularly fascinated with the whole issue of the video. Gee, when was that? 2003 or so. And no none watched it- I believe the post you are so taken with reported that a video was found and destroyed.
Does this concern me? Not a bit. It just amazes me to see the lengths you creeps go to, in your anger towards your own parents, to attack another family. How long has it been since Karen has been to this site? Come on- you are all IP whizzes. You reported her presence over and over (falsely, no doubt). Her daughter is in college. She is not "clergy". And so what if she is? Seems pretty impressive to me.
You are sad, sad little people. I am so grateful that my kid is not like you. I read her some of the posts from here and she thinks you are all about 12 years old and badly in need of stronger meds.
And I'm NOT Karen- you should know that by now! You're all a bunch of little creeps who need a good suing!
I am NOT Karen! I just like to talk about her personal life and to speak for her- but I'm NOT her.
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Here is a guy, which is at a place that only have one outcome for the most people.
http://www.savemichaelperry.info/casabythesea.asp (http://www.savemichaelperry.info/casabythesea.asp)
He would prefer to be where he is now instead of a WWASP facility.
It makes you think - doesn't it?
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If you review the Carlbrook website and the threads, ...
And, if you review this site, you will discover that God hates fags.
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html (http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html)
I wonder which site has more credibility? Hmm.
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Anyone else notice that their zip code begins with 666?
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"That woman" has been posting in the HLA forum again...
"Probably because they were lied to like most other parents.
Here's the facts laid out for you as simply as I can put them.
This kid was at HLA for 20 months. He while there may have tried to kill himself.
Upon leaving hla he still had unresolved issues and so went to another program for an undetermined amount of time.
After that program he went home and enrolled in a community college where still having unresolved issues needed to be medicated, which apparently led to his death. "
Robert Devin Bruce:
You are making alot of assumptions here. By saying that he 'may" have tried to kill himself while at HLA, you are only trying to stir things up.
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself. You may have destroyed property. You may have been arrested. You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students. You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use. You MAY have done all of these things.
Yes, Patrick still had unresolved issues. Doesn't everyone.
What proof do you have that Patricks death was of anything but natural causes? I would really like to know. How did his medication lead to his death? The assumption that many are making is that he killed himself. I hope to God for his family that that is not the case.
this is just the pathetic carlbrook mom troll. still can't figure out how to do quotes, huh? this person has nothing whatsoever to do with HLA. move on, lady.
Just wanted to give you all a "heads-up" on this poster. Believe it or not, this is actually KAREN, who has recently relocted to Nashville, TN (WIllieNelson on ST board, too, Karen??).
Karen, you are a pathetic loser and a huge liar. How dare you come on here posing as researcher and "published author" looking for information on suicide. Your kid's friend is DEAD, and this is how you act? Figures, though. It fits your completely amoral profile.
So, why the relocation? Just work, or did your husband dump you now too?
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And, if you review this site, you will discover that God hates fags.
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html (http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/main/index.html)
I wonder which site has more credibility? Hmm.
Is this site for real ant or is it a parody? Just wondering
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"That woman" has been posting in the HLA forum again...
"Probably because they were lied to like most other parents.
Here's the facts laid out for you as simply as I can put them.
This kid was at HLA for 20 months. He while there may have tried to kill himself.
Upon leaving hla he still had unresolved issues and so went to another program for an undetermined amount of time.
After that program he went home and enrolled in a community college where still having unresolved issues needed to be medicated, which apparently led to his death. "
Robert Devin Bruce:
You are making alot of assumptions here. By saying that he 'may" have tried to kill himself while at HLA, you are only trying to stir things up.
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself. You may have destroyed property. You may have been arrested. You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students. You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use. You MAY have done all of these things.
Yes, Patrick still had unresolved issues. Doesn't everyone.
What proof do you have that Patricks death was of anything but natural causes? I would really like to know. How did his medication lead to his death? The assumption that many are making is that he killed himself. I hope to God for his family that that is not the case.
this is just the pathetic carlbrook mom troll. still can't figure out how to do quotes, huh? this person has nothing whatsoever to do with HLA. move on, lady.
Just wanted to give you all a "heads-up" on this poster. Believe it or not, this is actually KAREN, who has recently relocted to Nashville, TN (WIllieNelson on ST board, too, Karen??).
This was tipped to me by another parent with whom Karen has regular contact.
Here's the tip:
-"She has a direct link to both Max Kutch and Chad Wallace (both of whom she asked about)"
-"Max is the brother of one of Kiley's (her son) ex-girlfriends and Chad is someone Kiley used to hang out with prior to both of them getting sent to their respective TBSs."
-"She told me all of this when XXXX was at HLA the same time Max and Chad were there."
So, there you have it. It's Karen. Or should I say "HStreet" or "KarenInDallas" or "RandomWalk" or now "MomofWildChild"??
Karen, you are a pathetic loser and a huge liar. How dare you come on here posing as researcher and "published author" looking for information on suicide. Your kid's friend is DEAD, and this is how you act? Figures, though. It fits your completely amoral profile.
BTW, your "friends" love you so much that one of them actually registered for this board to drop me a PM to tip me to your posting here (which I had already called out several times). as I told you before, Karen, you are a pariah and a kook and everyone knows it.
Your "friends" sell you down the river for nothing. Maybe it's time to reevaluate the way you live your life, huh, Karen?
So, why the relocation? Just work, or did your husband dump you now too?
Makes sense why this karen troll always starts out with "have your IP wizards check and see I am not karen"... now we know why. I just figured she finally learned how to use proxies, but she just moved. Karen, you are pathetic.
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SCREAM!!!! The huge moving truck showed up at 7:30 (my mover is great, though- a real class guy). The animals are freaking out.
Thanks, Berurah. I'll check out that book. It's interesting- as the time to pull out of Dodge approaches, the things I will miss most changes. When I first accepted the job it was, "Who will cut my hair? What about church (the physical building)? Where will I work out?" Now it is all about PEOPLE! That's another neat thing about this forum- none of YOU are going anywhere!
Since we are moving for MY job, I can't do the resistant spouse routine which my TN realtor told me is very common. We found our TN house in 2 days with the realtor- she said she has worked with couples for 2 YEARS when one spouse doesn't want to move and nixes everything. So far, so good. All animals accounted for- internet still working!
Stay tuned.
It's true... so how was the move Karen, enjoying the new digs? How's the new job?
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Well, H and I are about to leave our home/city. He has lived here his entire life, and I have been here for 28 years. The packers have been with us for the past two days, and our life has been reduced to mountains of cardboard boxes. The 18 wheeler moving van arrives in the morning and on Friday H and I pull out of Dallas with 2 cars, 3 cats, 1 large dog and a small travel trailer. Our new home in Nashville is ready and waiting. I'm glad I got to be in Nashville the past 7 weeks to get used to my new job and my new city. I know we will be happy, but that doesn't make the moving process any easier. We have never done anything like this, and I really wish we could get rid of another half of our possessions. I haven't seen my daughter since the end of May when we were all together for WildChild's high school graduation on the east coast. She went from there to her California summer internship and then back to Rice for her senior year without crossing paths with me. She and her boyfriend are coming to see our new home in two weeks, so I'm excited about that. WildChild spent a few days in Nashville and seems to be OK with the move. He is a Texan by birth and at heart- managed to win third prize at the Penn orientation week toga party with his cowboy toga rendition (I KNEW there was a reason we pay that high tuition). H and I took some time off from the moving process to go to Penn to help WildChild get settled and visit family.
Thanks to all for the tips on life in Nashville. I am getting my bearings and have found food, shopping and an Episcopal church on the right side of the issues dividing us (or should I say the LEFT side....).
Pot is a big deal- alcohol is not. If the alcohol violations are repeated and/or indicate an addiction, it's a different story.
Northstarmom- I did a LOT of research over the last two years on what types of disciplinary issues or character indicators affect admissions. I have talked to many admissions folks as well as prep school college counselors, as has S's college counselor. I have a very good feel for what matters and what doesn't. A single alcohol violation is simply not indicative of ANYTHING. In fact, I was actually told that some schools like to see a "lesson learned" rather than an "I have never broken a single rule, but just wait until I get to college!" The thousands and thousands of high school students who experiment with alcohol are not all going to die from alcohol poisoning at college. Nor are they going to binge drink or flunk out of school. An unfortunate few will, but experimenting with alcohol in high school is not a predictor.
I know a young man who is a junior at Swarthmore. He was kicked out of a day prep school after his junior year due to repeated alcohol infractions. He didn't have any trouble whatsoever getting into select colleges. My son was suspended and expelled from a prep boarding school. He had all sorts of things to report. There wasn't one selective college that even gave pause. He did it, he regretted it, he learned from it and he matured.
Do you really think these colleges are looking for a whole population of kids who have never pushed the envelope?
My kids don't smoke, but they both tell me MANY of their peers smoked all through high school (and now college). I simply can not understand it. I can understand how my generation thought it was grown-up and cool to smoke, but with all the health information out there now, it just does not make sense to me. I heard a lot of girls smoke for supposed weight control.
There is not a whole lot a parent can do about smoking. It is very easy to obtain the product and while it is technically illegal for a minor to purchase cigs, it isn't a big crime, and in some circles it is still "the thing to do". It is pretty easy to hide the habit from parents- as you pointed out, "I smell like smoke because my friends were smoking!"
I think this is something kids have to figure out for themselves. All you can do is educate them. My husband and I are competitive runners and have never smoked. One kid is a vocal performance major and won't even go to smokey bars, and the other is a runner himself.
I love it, karen stops in a help a kid stop smoking thread by saying you cannot help at all, and by the way, my family is perfect. The sad story of Karen enters a new chapter. :rofl: