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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 12, 2006, 10:46:05 AM
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Arthur is rewritting the oral sex price so that all can afford a BJ.
Don't through your hard earned monies away on high priced prositiutes, you can NOW get a BJ for only a nickel!
No need to hurry, this offer is good for life. Wonder Lakes own entrepenManure eating Artman has vowed to rewrite the industry standard on nickel BJ's.
Desperate and down on his luck Artie needs to find love now! His biological clock is running out. The wrinkles and crustations are inevidible. Artie wants to go out in a cum shower and put his horrible life experience in the past.
All ages welcomed, cum one, cum all! :rofl: :rofl:
Now accepting all male breeds of animals, the only stipulation is: It must be able to fit in Arties mouth, iif it can fit in his mouth and you have an extra nickel then you will NOT be turned down.
Gratuities Not required, instead a reach around will be honored and appreciated.
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What i find thats extra funny is thatyou continue to post these fanatical stories,thinking that it pisses me off. It doesnt,it just shows how ill you are.Even when you steal my lines as you did in this previous posting.
What I find extra hysterical is how you react to my statements of truth.....we own you ... You are our token sociopaths
take your meds
Just like McDonalds... We love to see you twist
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Just like McDonalds... We love to see you twist
Hey dude, your post was KINDA amusing untill you ended it with this moronic sentence.
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Art knows all about Mc Donalds dont you?
Cleaning out those deep friers, cleaning the bathrooms, mopping those floors. Average job, average car, and Art does a great job at it.
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Still don't get it. What does Mcdonalds have to do with twisting?
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Overall Mcdonalds does SUCK except for the 1$ cinnamon rolls. They are as good as Cinnabun's and are only 1$. I'd rather spend 1$ than $3.99 any time. Problem is I have to ride an extra 10 minutes on my bike to kill those calories. Who cares it is worth it.
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Arthur is rewritting the oral sex price so that all can afford a BJ.
Don't through your hard earned monies away on high priced prositiutes, you can NOW get a BJ for only a nickel!
No need to hurry, this offer is good for life. Wonder Lakes own entrepenManure eating Artman has vowed to rewrite the industry standard on nickel BJ's.
Desperate and down on his luck Artie needs to find love now! His biological clock is running out. The wrinkles and crustations are inevidible. Artie wants to go out in a cum shower and put his horrible life experience in the past.
All ages welcomed, cum one, cum all! :rofl: :rofl:
Now accepting all male breeds of animals, the only stipulation is: It must be able to fit in Arties mouth, iif it can fit in his mouth and you have an extra nickel then you will NOT be turned down.
Gratuities Not required, instead a reach around will be honored and appreciated.
This is some real funny stuff, I love it!
:rofl: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::armed:: ::drummer:: ::deal:: ::cheers:: :nworthy: :silly: :tup:
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Still don't get it. What does Mcdonalds have to do with twisting?
Dude, your asking a question to a Simpleton here. Art is so fucked in the head no one will never understand him. I believe he got a cat scan once of his brain, and the X-ray techincian said his brain was soaked in alcohol.
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Art, do you even know what the word "Fanatical" means?
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leave me alone losers,iam so sick of you childish retards accusing me of being a molestar and stuff,why i got me divorce is not your business ok already?i have a good clean rich sober life after Elan and none of you do and your jealous of me.
keep twisting andy i know its you.
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Oh so now its Andy twisting, nope not my name either, keep guessing. Did it ever occur to you that amongst the names you keep mentioning here, there is plenty more that don't like you?
I know, I know, its hard to process information in that alcohol soaked brain of yours, but just try and concentrate real hard, maybe take a break from all that cock sucking you do and it will dawn on you.
You also might be getting too much protein in your diet, are you swallowing as well? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Nobody mentioned anything about being a molester Artie, now why in the world would you use the word " Molester"?
Are you trying to tell us something? Perhaps you should see a priest, or better yet a Rabi, not a rabbit, a Rabi. And please try not to come on to him and ask him for oral sex, he's there to help you, not pleasure you or you to pleasure him.
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a Rabi, not a rabbit, a Rabi. .
That's Rabbi
:rofl:
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a Rabi, not a rabbit, a Rabi. .
That's Rabbi
:rofl:
I know, I purposely spelled it worng so Artie could understand it better.
Also didn't want him thinking I said Rabbit and forgot to add the "T".
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Uh huh. :rofl:
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And I also spelled the word "Wrong" wrong so it wouldn't further confuse his low IQ intellic.
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leave me alone losers,iam so sick of you childish retards accusing me of being a molestar and stuff,why i got me divorce is not your business ok already?i have a good clean rich sober life after Elan and none of you do and your jealous of me.
keep twisting andy i know its you.
thats pretty funny jj
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He does know how to rile up his fellow shiteaters
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leave me alone losers,iam so sick of you childish retards accusing me of being a molestar and stuff,why i got me divorce is not your business ok already?i have a good clean rich sober life after Elan and none of you do and your jealous of me.
keep twisting andy i know its you.
Wow that WAS pretty good for a shiteater
this is what makes your day,being an asshole to someone,just to be an asshole. I should be angry,but your such a loser, I prefer to continue laughing at you
Must be that whole calling you out on your homosexuality..
You and Dave both twisting over that,and the stories... pretty boring as you have no literary skills,but funny because your such an asshole,but mostly to yourself.You prob dont get it,but the restf of us do
thanks
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Who's on what team? Who are the shiteaters and what's the other team's name and who are their members? Damn this gets confusing.
:flame:
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everyones on the same team if you ask me.
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What i find thats extra funny is thatyou continue to post these fanatical stories,thinking that it pisses me off. It doesnt,it just shows how ill you are.Even when you steal my lines as you did in this previous posting.
What I find extra hysterical is how you react to my statements of truth.....we own you ... You are our token sociopaths
take your meds
Just like McDonalds... We love to see you twist
That was cute Art. You lost me when you said "Just like Mcdonalds...We love to see you twist"
#1 How do twisting and Mcdonalds go together?
#2 Why do you molest kids?
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Who's on what team? Who are the shiteaters and what's the other team's name and who are their members? Damn this gets confusing.
:flame:
It is the shiteaters and the cocksuckers
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Yea Artie, answer #2 for us will ya?
:lol:
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Yea Artie, answer #2 for us will ya?
:lol:
Can you clean that shitstain off your nose 1st
jj thats so not nice
I really should slap the fuck outa ya,but you are what you eat,and shit splatters
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teams? you silly twat,,,,, theres 2 0r 3 dickless fags that try to act like 10.....,, they disrupt any thread,, bout anything , with there art bashing,,, hence the name Shit Eating Artophiles...they never met the guy, but seem to have a real hard on for him,,,,,,, i wonder if they realize what having arts date profile marked as a fav on their machines,,, says about them,,,,,,they insist anyone who doesnt agree with them is art,,,,,,you can bet that if you knew these sphincter suckers in elan, they ewre the ones always in the corner,spitting on passersbys,,,,, their gms were for caught bein perverts,,,,,jacking off in your clean laundry, fucking the house dawg,, ect,, ect....
these guys now live in the parents basement,, all the time in the world to troll internet,, looking for stuff on former residents and staff,,, still screaming for attention the only way they can,,,,, on a forum.
i bet they even talk to each other on phone,,, plotting posts,,, masterbating,,,,,planning their "terrorist" ravings,,,,,,, fukin pathetic,,,
in my day,, marty would have gladly let us beat them with chairs till they stopped this behavior,,,,,.. with the money there folks wasted on them, they could have at least gotten a GED for to enlist in the army,,,,,, all we can hope for is the state they live in to allow abortions for rape and incest victims,,, that way thay wont breed......
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teams? you silly twat,,,,, theres 2 0r 3 dickless fags that try to act like 10.....,, they disrupt any thread,, bout anything , with there art bashing,,, hence the name Shit Eating Artophiles...they never met the guy, but seem to have a real hard on for him,,,,,,, i wonder if they realize what having arts date profile marked as a fav on their machines,,, says about them,,,,,,they insist anyone who doesnt agree with them is art,,,,,,you can bet that if you knew these sphincter suckers in elan, they ewre the ones always in the corner,spitting on passersbys,,,,, their gms were for caught bein perverts,,,,,jacking off in your clean laundry, fucking the house dawg,, ect,, ect....
these guys now live in the parents basement,, all the time in the world to troll internet,, looking for stuff on former residents and staff,,, still screaming for attention the only way they can,,,,, on a forum.
i bet they even talk to each other on phone,,, plotting posts,,, masterbating,,,,,planning their "terrorist" ravings,,,,,,, fukin pathetic,,,
in my day,, marty would have gladly let us beat them with chairs till they stopped this behavior,,,,,.. with the money there folks wasted on them, they could have at least gotten a GED for to enlist in the army,,,,,, all we can hope for is the state they live in to allow abortions for rape and incest victims,,, that way thay wont breed......
TY Mikey, that was very enlighting. Now go sweep the stock room floors before your Uncle finds out you are going online to complain like a little girl, your still punched in you know?
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whats wrong dave.... truth hurt...
can you plz throw another tantrum.I havent laughed at you in days
Nothing you type is funny,except for a grown man doing what you do here... Now thats funny
We own you
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Hi my name is Art
And I like logging online and telling people I own them.
I am a dork, and get my little feelings hurt all the time. I hate you Ginger for not sticking up for me and making this board into an AA forum.
I own you, I own you, I own you, oh my god look at all that fat on me?? Why wonder I can't find a date. I own you, I own you, I own you. I drive an average car and have an average job sweeping floors.
I'm twisting, I'm twisiting, da da da da da, I'm twisting it, at Mc Donalds.
Somebody please put me out of my misery...
:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
Stupid Art.
P.S.
Dave JJ, you hurt my wittle feelings, Dougie why you so mean to me? Jamie you called me names and also hurt my wittle feelings.
Andy insulted me while I was fat. :cry2: :cry2:
Shiteaters! Shiteaters! Someone please shovel a load in my mouth.
I own you, I own you, I own you.
Twist
Twist
Twist
I play twister with my Wonder Lake Dog. I always win!!!
I walk around the lake all day and say I own you and twist all day long because that is all i know how to say and i also think its cool.
Did I mention I carry just a few extra pounds?
Excuse me I have a date with fat...
Da da da da da da , I'm twisiting it, at Mc Donalds, I clean all the bathrooms for you.
My name is Forrest Warshitski, but you can call me Artie Gump.
Mama says life was always like a box of chocolate, can't you see it shows on my waist line.
Da da da da da da, Da da da da da da!
I own you, I own you, I own you...
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Hi my name is Art
And I like logging online and telling people I own them.
I am a dork, and get my little feelings hurt all the time. I hate you Ginger for not sticking up for me and making this board into an AA forum.
I own you, I own you, I own you, oh my god look at all that fat on me?? Why wonder I can't find a date. I own you, I own you, I own you. I drive an average car and have an average job sweeping floors.
I'm twisting, I'm twisiting, da da da da da, I'm twisting it, at Mc Donalds.
Somebody please put me out of my misery...
:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
Stupid Art.
P.S.
Dave JJ, you hurt my wittle feelings, Dougie why you so mean to me? Jamie you called me names and also hurt my wittle feelings.
Andy insulted me while I was fat. :cry2: :cry2:
Shiteaters! Shiteaters! Someone please shovel a load in my mouth.
I own you, I own you, I own you.
Twist
Twist
Twist
I play twister with my Wonder Lake Dog. I always win!!!
I walk around the lake all day and say I own you and twist all day long because that is all i know how to say and i also think its cool.
Did I mention I carry just a few extra pounds?
Excuse me I have a date with fat...
Da da da da da da , I'm twisiting it, at Mc Donalds, I clean all the bathrooms for you.
My name is Forrest Warshitski, but you can call me Artie Gump.
Mama says life was always like a box of chocolate, can't you see it shows on my waist line.
Da da da da da da, Da da da da da da!
I own you, I own you, I own you...
:rofl: ::cheers:: Arthur is a----> ::crybaby:: ::bigmouth:: ::armed::
Hey Arthur! Have another ::burger:: or four. ::bigsmilebounce:: :em: :cry2: :tup: :nworthy: ::bwahaha:: ::bwahaha2:: ::drummer:: ::deal:: ::cheers:: ::eek3:: ::ftard::
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good tantrum
more evidence of ownership
twister
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Is that all you know how to say retard?
great tantrum, twister, I'm a dork!
I'm stupid, I make no sense, my name is Artie Gump.
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good tantrum
more evidence of ownership
twister
Am i buggin you?
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your a pussy andy
that shouldnt bug you,thats the truth
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger::
::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry::
::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke::
::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::unhappy:: ::both:: ::troll::
Arite makes women puke (except for chicks with dicks )
God answered Arties prayers when McDonalds came out with the DOLLAR MENU
Artie wonders why people laugh at him when he walks by
Artie can make little kids cry
Artie cries himself to sleep at night. He rolls around in his bed littered with cheeseburger wrappers all night wondering why the neighbors ignore his repeated requests to babysit their young twin boys
Artie attempted suicide but he got hungry so he stopped
He still had burritos from 7-11 to eat
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and you worship him.hes the 1st thing you think of when you wake up and the last thing you think of when you finally passout in front of your computer, dick in hand, looking at his date profile.in between you come here and post this dribble to compensate for your guilty feelings about your sexuality.
It doesnt add up, your still a sick fuck
i wonder how bad your life really must be,in folks basement, obsessing over art while you smoke your meth.
do us a favor,take a gun to an airport, go hang in front of a school,, give the cops a reason to end your pain.
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and you worship him.hes the 1st thing you think of when you wake up and the last thing you think of when you finally passout in front of your computer, dick in hand, looking at his date profile.in between you come here and post this dribble to compensate for your guilty feelings about your sexuality.
It doesnt add up, your still a sick fuck
i wonder how bad your life really must be,in folks basement, obsessing over art while you smoke your meth.
do us a favor,take a gun to an airport, go hang in front of a school,, give the cops a reason to end your pain.
Aint it great to be so powerful
but owning a couple shiteaters isnt what i had planned
just say no
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger:: ::burger::
::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry::
::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke:: ::puke::
::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::unhappy:: ::both:: ::troll::
Arite makes women puke (except for chicks with dicks )
God answered Arties prayers when McDonalds came out with the DOLLAR MENU
Artie wonders why people laugh at him when he walks by
Artie can make little kids cry
Artie cries himself to sleep at night. He rolls around in his bed littered with cheeseburger wrappers all night wondering why the neighbors ignore his repeated requests to babysit their young twin boys
Artie attempted suicide but he got hungry so he stopped
He still had burritos from 7-11 to eat
Fuckin Hysterical! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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must suck that noone else wants to agree with you,so you agree with yourself
we own you
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We own you, I own you, you're twisting
Are give retardation a whole new meaning Arthur.
You only wish you could own what I own Boy!
It's okay to be jealous Artie, its a natural feeling that is inside most of us, but more of inside lower class people like yourself.
Look how gracefully my puppet Arthur continues to obey.
Thats right Boy, you are my puppet....
I pull your strings and control you, the funny thing is you think its your other anti-admirers that are controlling you. :lol:
Now who really owns who Boy?
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YES YOU HAVE IT FIGURED OUT
I am jealous of a bigoted,spiteful,hateful little snot that spews hate on a forum where others come for peace
yes if i could just be you
thats pretty funny Andy,ever share your posts with your mommy upstairs? Bet she would be impressed..
WTF could you possibly have that i would be jealous of
Plz dont answer... no need for any more of lies
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OH AND WE STILL OWN YOU
SHITEATER EXTROIDINARE !
you should be in a circus
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I find it real obvious and amazing on how Arthur uses the term (I/We own you) in every single one of his posts. It clearly shows how insecure he really is. Onviously he is not sure or secure about himself, so he continously likes to add (I/We own you) to every single one of his responses daily.
Tallk about an insecure man, you sure have alot to be insecure about Artie.
Shall we name a few????
Lets see....
Arthur's family divorced him and left him behind, that must of really caused some real emotional scarring on his brain.
Then you have Arthur who drives and average car and works an average job, but yet claims to wine and dine women with $500.00 diners. Hmmmmm??
You might have sold yourself on the $500.00 diners statement had you not mentioned the fact you drive an average car and work an average job. (Stupid is, what stupid does)
Next is the delusional statement of having a few extra pounds and going the extra ballsy mile posting a picture of yourself without a shirt on. Now I am not an expert at looking at a picture of a person that is over weight and guestimating their body fat measurements, but if i were to guestimate your body fat, I'd say you would be somewhere in the 35-43% range. And that is being conservative.
Then we are continously graced by your consistant talk of Mc Donalds. My equation would read something like this:
Mc Donalds + Minium wage = Average job.
Mc Donalds + Minium wage + Average job = Average car.
Next, we have the never ending saying (Twisting) from you, and you also affilulate twisting with Mc Donalds.
Does the twisting occur when you have to work late cleaning out their deep friers? Because I recall when night owl pulled house dorms, the following morning they would use the term "Twisting" for refering to their exhausting long night pulling on the dorms or on an over night SP.
Oh and also, you are responded to my posts which I posted today and calling me Andy now, that is not my name either. However their is an Andy here that also dislikes you as do the same as I.
Oh and one more thing....
This is how i see you here at fornits each and everyday---> :cry2: ::crybaby:: :cry2: ::crybaby:: :cry2: ::crybaby:: :cry2: ::crybaby::
And my thoughts of you Arthur: ::crybaby:: ::unhappy:: ::fuckoff:: ::both::
Arthur likes to come to fornits and ::mecry:: :cry2: ::crybaby::
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Andy REALLY does suck.
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I find it real obvious and amazing on how Arthur uses the term (I/We own you) in every single one of his posts. It clearly shows how insecure he really is. Onviously he is not sure or secure about himself, so he continously likes to add (I/We own you) to every single one of his responses daily.
Tallk about an insecure man, you sure have alot to be insecure about Artie.
Shall we name a few????
Lets see....
Arthur's family divorced him and left him behind, that must of really caused some real emotional scarring on his brain.
Then you have Arthur who drives and average car and works an average job, but yet claims to wine and dine women with $500.00 diners. Hmmmmm??
You might have sold yourself on the $500.00 diners statement had you not mentioned the fact you drive an average car and work an average job. (Stupid is, what stupid does)
Next is the delusional statement of having a few extra pounds and going the extra ballsy mile posting a picture of yourself without a shirt on. Now I am not an expert at looking at a picture of a person that is over weight and guestimating their body fat measurements, but if i were to guestimate your body fat, I'd say you would be somewhere in the 35-43% range. And that is being conservative.
Then we are continously graced by your consistant talk of Mc Donalds. My equation would read something like this:
Mc Donalds + Minium wage = Average job.
Mc Donalds + Minium wage + Average job = Average car.
Next, we have the never ending saying (Twisting) from you, and you also affilulate twisting with Mc Donalds.
Does the twisting occur when you have to work late cleaning out their deep friers? Because I recall when night owl pulled house dorms, the following morning they would use the term "Twisting" for refering to their exhausting long night pulling on the dorms or on an over night SP.
Oh and also, you are responded to my posts which I posted today and calling me Andy now, that is not my name either. However their is an Andy here that also dislikes you as do the same as I.
Oh and one more thing....
This is how i see you here at fornits each and everyday---> :cry2: ::crybaby:: :cry2: ::crybaby:: :cry2: ::crybaby:: :cry2: ::crybaby::
And my thoughts of you Arthur: ::crybaby:: ::unhappy:: ::fuckoff:: ::both::
Arthur likes to come to fornits and ::mecry:: :cry2: ::crybaby::
WE OWN YOU
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Andy REALLY does suck.
hahaha you taught that fucker!
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Hi I'm Artie ::crybaby:: and yes that is a picture of me.
I'm The Fornits :cry2: Troll and i love to eat plenty of ::burger:: .
Call me disgusting fat cow if you please. I am a puppet, which whom is controlled by everyone at this board.
I am also a sick freak, who likes to talk about lewd sex acts online.
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I give you.... the natural enemy of the baghead
(http://http://www.geocities.com/daytripper599/hiyuh.jpg)
(you better run to notsmART)
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Kruglik run for your life,
fuckin lmmfao :rofl: :rofl:
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natural enemy of the anons...
marty rapes the baghead buffalo while kickapoo shoves acorns up his ass
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Acorns? dear jesus why?!?!
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So that's why Kruglik always walked with his head facing down at the ground, he was looking for acorns so that he could give them to Kickapoo and have Her shove them up his ass.
Pretty sick Kruglik, pretty sick...
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Where is the real Martin R. Kruglicker these days?
still doin it catholic priest style down on the MMR?
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Kruglik shits out the acorns after about an hours time of sitting in his ass, then offers them to his fellow IMR members as a holy wafer.
Kruglik holding up an acorn in the air> Body of Me..
Person receiving the acorn that Kruglik offers> hi yuh yuh yuh yuh
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hi yuh hi yuh
hi yuh hi yuh
hi yuh hi yuh
hi yuh hi yuh
me suh like akerns
hi yuh
-Marty Kruglick
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:rofl:
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Andy REALLY does suck.
hahaha you taught that fucker!
Considering it was a statement and not an insult you're the one who looks like an idiot now for assuming and trying to put someone down. LOSER.
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Where is the real Martin R. Kruglicker these days?
still doin it catholic priest style down on the MMR?
Dude get over yourself. No one likes you. God how does it feel to be such an asshole and a loser all at the same time? How do you do it? How do you even look at yourself in the mirror knowing that not only are you plug ugly, you're an embaressment to your family and men in general?
You're SUCH a loser that Elan gave up on you. You're one of the most despised people in your town. Everyone and their mothers laugh at you NOT with you. Your jokes and insults are lame and played out. Your mom does not even want you. You have never been layed. You dress AND act like a poser. People shrink away in horror when you enter a store. In school YOU were the kid who sat alone in the lunch room. Parents used to call your mom and tell her that you are no longer allowed to play with their kids cuz you were creepy and touched them in their "privates".
Need I go on Andy? Do us a favor and move to the west village and become a drag queen whore, you MIGHT be a better lookin chick than you are a dude. Pop them zits on your ass, chest and face. Shave your dirty asscrack. Wash your greasy hair. Put on deoderant. Change your once white now yellow underware. And people MAY believe that your not a retard who ran away from the group home.
Good Luck PINK. :rofl:
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::both:: now thats funny
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Where is the real Martin R. Kruglicker these days?
still doin it catholic priest style down on the MMR?
Dude get over yourself. No one likes you. God how does it feel to be such an asshole and a loser all at the same time? How do you do it? How do you even look at yourself in the mirror knowing that not only are you plug ugly, you're an embaressment to your family and men in general?
You're SUCH a loser that Elan gave up on you. You're one of the most despised people in your town. Everyone and their mothers laugh at you NOT with you. Your jokes and insults are lame and played out. Your mom does not even want you. You have never been layed. You dress AND act like a poser. People shrink away in horror when you enter a store. In school YOU were the kid who sat alone in the lunch room. Parents used to call your mom and tell her that you are no longer allowed to play with their kids cuz you were creepy and touched them in their "privates".
Need I go on Andy? Do us a favor and move to the west village and become a drag queen whore, you MIGHT be a better lookin chick than you are a dude. Pop them zits on your ass, chest and face. Shave your dirty asscrack. Wash your greasy hair. Put on deoderant. Change your once white now yellow underware. And people MAY believe that your not a retard who ran away from the group home.
Good Luck PINK. :rofl:
TEE-HEE......This is pretty freakin funny. TRUE and FUNNY. What a PERFECT combination.
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snow is comeing
the every day pilgrimage to the library to post nonsense will become harder and harder
Mrs Nelson is on to you boy... Ask her
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wtf?
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I don't know who the fuck Mrs.Nelson is but the snow does make it hard to walk to the library. Everyone can get a ride now and then. Can't they?