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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Fake Parent Troll on October 04, 2006, 09:39:44 AM
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Have any of you had to deal with some major "blips" in your educational path? My son got kicked out of a disastrous boarding school in March of his soph year do to a combination of factors- some his issues, some the school's. None of the issues were academic. He spent a year in a very structured boarding school with good academics and a strong support system and was admitted to a top prep boarding school in the NE where he is doing a 2nd junior year and will do a senior year. His academics were strong throughout all this upheaval. His emotional growth has been impressive, and he is regarded as a mature young man and a strong contributor to his current school. He is also likely to be a recruited runner which he will use to help him get an edge for some top schools. Everyone on this board seems so exceptional- any situations similar to ours? Thanks. Karen
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Gee, I thought your son was halfway through college now. I wonder why you are posting this very old post again. Wait-maybe it isn't really you, Karen! Could it BE someone impersonating her? NOT on fornits, certainly, where everyone has the utmost integrity and respect for others. Since it was reported, sadly, that Karen had disappeared both from here and ST, I wonder who it could be bringing back these posts? Maybe someone very, very lonely and bored with no life???
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Everyone on this board seems so exceptional- any situations similar to ours?
Thanks for the compliment, but no, I did a fine job raising my kids and didn't need the help of various programs to get rid of my responsibilities. But yes, we are quite exceptional here and thank you for noticing, karen.
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Hey Karen, you still watching that video of your son porking his girlfriend? I bet you are. You're a very, very dirty girl, Karen.
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Don't think we were "stupid, lazy and cruel", but do agree that the family dynamics had failed. However, the teen needed to take ownership of his role in that failure- lying, stealing,drinking, wrecking cars, selling pot, not going to school..... During wilderness (he liked the hiking, by the way) he did take ownership of those things.
Do you really consider sending a teen to a therapeutic program for a year or two "paying someone else to raise your child"? These "children" have become a threat to themselves and others. I still haven't heard any wisdom from you morons on a better way to address this. Let them go to jail? Let them have a fatal car accident? Let them destroy their home?
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Gee, I thought your son was halfway through college now.
Nope. Remember, he flunked his junior year, so he had to do it over again. That put college on hold.
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Keep thinking that- wrong again. No flunking of junior year. Well into college.
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We've gone round and round with this. He repeated his junior year, as Karen admitted.
I'll keep thinking whatever I want. You might have been able to strictly control you rkid's every thought and action, but this is the real world, darlin'. Your bullshit doesn't apply here.
Get a life already.
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He spent a year in a very structured boarding school with good academics and a strong support system and was admitted to a top prep boarding school in the NE where he is doing a 2nd junior year and will do a senior year.
This, in the real world, is called "flunking," a synonym for "repeating a grade."
What part don't you understand, dipshit?
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What part don't YOU understand, asswipe. After being at a TBS for a year (or any other school for that matter) you don't enter top boarding schools as a senior. EVERYONE drops back to do another junior year so the school has time to work with the kid for college admissions, athletics etc. Sometimes entering sophs don't repeat the year, but a senior ALWAYS enters as a junior at academic boarding schools. I realize this isn't remotely in your universe of things you comprehend, since you are so removed from the world of elite academics that you are unable to grasp this concept. Have you heard of a post-grad year? Many kids do an extra year of high school at a prep school EVEN IF they did well as a senior. You don't get into these schools in the FIRST place if you have flunked- you have to have top grades and scores to even be admitted. Do you have a brain injury? I'm so sorry, if so.
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oooh, angry. almost is if you ARE karen and it was YOUR kid who flunked his junior year. you're awfully invested in karen's personal problems for "not being karen." :wink:
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Out of respect to the lady who actually bothered to come on here with a screen name (for what it's worth) and actually engage in some dialogue, I will treat you with the respect that you deserve.
For starters, and this makes a huge difference in my mind, did you and your son agree on wilderness camp/boarding school, or did he go under some kind of coercive threat.
Second, as for alternate solutions, while this isn't available everywhere at the moment, there is what is called a systems of care model that brings in all of the agencies that work with "at-risk" youth (probation, mental health, social services, education) and gets them communicating with each other. Where along with input from the youth themselves, services are provided to prevent the youth from having to leave home. If it's an issue of family dynamics and the adults in the family are at wits end, they can offer respite care, where a social service agency will either take the youth on a weekend trip, or provide "babysitting service" while the family takes a trip of their own. It has proven extremely effective in preventing youth from having to leave the home.
So to answer your question, yes there are alternatives to placing youth in facilities against their will.
As for the "make up year", I believe that question has already been answered. I hope that this response answers some of your questions, and that you may have a more balanced view of wilderness programs/TBS's in the future.
Brian
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I tend to get angry at stupidity, especially when things have been rehashed over and over. I guess that's your brain injury acting up again. How can I be Karen? I thought I was Fig? Actually, I am Leslie- I took my smart pills this morning. I used to post as The Who, but it got boring trying to be nice. Nope-my kid was stuck with public school all the way. And, yes, there was some flunking done by my kid- no apologies from me.
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Brian- the KareninDallas poster is a fornits regular and is not Karen from the ST site. Some of her old posts are being reposted and some are simply made up
Thank you for attempting to respond courteously, though.
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I tend to get angry at stupidity, especially when things have been rehashed over and over. I guess that's your brain injury acting up again. How can I be Karen? I thought I was Fig? Actually, I am Leslie- I took my smart pills this morning. I used to post as The Who, but it got boring trying to be nice. Nope-my kid was stuck with public school all the way. And, yes, there was some flunking done by my kid- no apologies from me.
Look, moron, nobody cares who you are or what you're calling yourself today. It's just hilarious that you're so wrapped up in Karen's business, but you're "not her."
If you truly are "not her" you've got some problems, that's all. I mean problems in addition to your constant attention-seeking on this board;that's a whole different deal entirely.
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So to answer your question, yes there are alternatives to placing youth in facilities against their will.
Yeah but Karen went the "force" route and used escorts to kidnap Jr. and send him to wilderness, then another transport to Carlbrook.
Karen only knows the "force" route because it insures absolute control over the situation, which BTW, is all she ever wants in any situation. She's a freak like that.
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Out of respect to the lady who actually bothered to come on here with a screen name (for what it's worth) and actually engage in some dialogue, I will treat you with the respect that you deserve.
For starters, and this makes a huge difference in my mind, did you and your son agree on wilderness camp/boarding school, or did he go under some kind of coercive threat.
Second, as for alternate solutions, while this isn't available everywhere at the moment, there is what is called a systems of care model that brings in all of the agencies that work with "at-risk" youth (probation, mental health, social services, education) and gets them communicating with each other. Where along with input from the youth themselves, services are provided to prevent the youth from having to leave home. If it's an issue of family dynamics and the adults in the family are at wits end, they can offer respite care, where a social service agency will either take the youth on a weekend trip, or provide "babysitting service" while the family takes a trip of their own. It has proven extremely effective in preventing youth from having to leave the home.
So to answer your question, yes there are alternatives to placing youth in facilities against their will.
As for the "make up year", I believe that question has already been answered. I hope that this response answers some of your questions, and that you may have a more balanced view of wilderness programs/TBS's in the future.
Brian
Hiring escorts was one of the most "humane" things we ever did for our son. We had lost control. We could not possibly have gotten him to a program without him running from us and perhaps being lost to us forever. The compassionate, professional escorts we hired had an extremely difficult time transporting our son, but they never once gave up or abused him in any way, even when he nearly killed them and himself by grabbing the steering wheel of the car from the backseat. My son never questioned our use of escorts, even in his anger at being in wilderness and later at TBS. Today we are the proud parents of a student-athlete who is achieving his full potential.
We didn't talk to our son for 7 or 8 weeks. We received and wrote weekly letters which were faxed in both directions. I think it is better for the kids- and the parents- NOT to speak. Obviously the dialogue at home was not productive, and that dynamic can interfere with the therapeutic process. The therapist at wilderness knew when the time was right for a short phone call.
Do you not understand that for many families having the kid remain in the home is simply not an option? When the kid is violent and dangerous to himself and others and is truly ruining his or her life, a program is the only chance. Perhaps many of you were placed in bad programs. That does not mean that there are not good ones out there.
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Karen, you forgot to mention that you're going to sue. You're slipping...
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Karen, you forgot to mention that you're going to sue. You're slipping...
I predict that within 6 months you will be sending your son to a program. You will not be able to manage him at home, and his drug use will greatly increase. Perhaps wilderness is not the right place due to his anxiety disorder, but there are very good reasons why the kids can only communicate by letter. The family dynamics are usually a big part of the underlying problem, and need to be removed from the equation before progress can be made. Sue that, bitch.
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Karen, do you think EVERYONE would be better off going to a program? I have read through your posts and I am disgusted by you. Why don't you take some responsibility for your kids (step kids?) and actually do some work instead of paying someone else to do it?! Did you even want kids?! :flame:
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The family dynamics are usually a big part of the underlying problem, and need to be removed from the equation before progress can be made.
here's the equation:
gay dad
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overbearing phony control freak beard mom
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screwed up junkie flunkie kid
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Whoa, Karen! Is there something you haven't been telling us? :-?
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yeah, she's a beard for a gay guy. this is old news. where ya been?
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More fiction.....and you wonder why no one sticks around.
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More fiction.....and you wonder why no one sticks around.
no, we wonder why YOU do STAY. this site is your whole life! what a loser.
aren't you tired of hauling water for that nasty bitch Karen?
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More fiction.....and you wonder why no one sticks around.
no, we wonder why YOU do STAY. this site is your whole life! what a loser.
aren't you tired of hauling water for that nasty bitch Karen?
Well, genius? Care to answer?
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No, I don't care to answer.
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good. you finally shut your cake-hole. what a relief.
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This whole thread is ridiculous.
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Gee, I thought your son was halfway through college now. I wonder why you are posting this very old post again. Wait-maybe it isn't really you, Karen! Could it BE someone impersonating her? NOT on fornits, certainly, where everyone has the utmost integrity and respect for others. Since it was reported, sadly, that Karen had disappeared both from here and ST, I wonder who it could be bringing back these posts? Maybe someone very, very lonely and bored with no life???
Gee-you sure sound a lot like karen.
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This whole thread is ridiculous.
and created and maintained by you, the loser-in-chief.
your sick need to have the last word at any cost is what made this thread happen. and why your kid doesn't speak to you anymore incidentally...
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My child speaks to me often. How would you know anything about my relationship with my daughter? You don't even know who I am! Why do you pull this stuff out of your ass?
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My child speaks to me often. How would you know anything about my relationship with my daughter? You don't even know who I am! Why do you pull this stuff out of your ass?
Some of us do. :wink:
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Hmm, this is a very interesting thread, and though ordinarily I might find it futile to engage in this conversation, it is between innings of the Dodgers-Mets game and right now I have nothing better to do.
Karen, I have to wonder why you even brought up the escort issue, since I made no mention of it. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt even if you said you had to coerce your son to go into the program. The use of escorts, in addition to that bizarre pornography comment you made on another board lends me to question your veracity.
However, for now I will give you the benefit of the doubt and very simply ask you if you've read the book 1984. The only thing that these programs produce that other services including some residential and inpatient services, is blind obedience to a given set of goals and beliefs part of which is the student-athlete culture.
Congratulations, your son is a great student-athlete. I have friends who probably with a little bit of torture would have been great student-athletes too, instead they never applied themselves to their full potential. Should they have been placed in a "program" in order to better themselves? No, they weren't dangerous to anybody.
There are two issues here. The first is a question of danger to self or others. There are plenty of short term programs that can fix that problem quite well. The second is becoming the "person you were supposed to be", which is really up to the person themselves.
I recognize that some programs are helpful in turning the lives of youth around. But at what cost?
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Brian- there IS no Karen. Therefore, there is no logic to the posts the fictitious "KareninDallas" is lifting from the ST site and reposting here. There can't be a response to your considerate post because this whole thread is a fake.
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This whole thread is ridiculous.
and created and maintained by you, the loser-in-chief.
your sick need to have the last word at any cost is what made this thread happen. and why your kid doesn't speak to you anymore incidentally...
You don't even know who you were talking to. :roll:
In other words, I'm not this karen troll, just an observer. Sheeesh! Take a chill pill. Get those panties untwisted, etc. This is an open forum; trolls will pop up now and then. Get used to it.... :P
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Or maybe you're too naive to realize that karen is a troll. Fucker.