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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ehm on February 28, 2003, 04:53:00 PM

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on February 28, 2003, 04:53:00 PM

no???

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: METALGOD8 on February 28, 2003, 05:19:00 PM

Hello, I am sure that you will not be always miserable. Many of us have nightmares, some more than others. I had one a couple weeks ago. This stuff is very complicated and just proves that it was completely rediculous that it was ever introduced to young people and humans in general. If you want, you could send an email to Metalgod8@yahoo.com and get a dialogue going. I hope to hear from you soon, thank you.

MG8 :smokin:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: mcadaret on February 28, 2003, 05:59:00 PM

I wish I could comfort you, but I really can't. I left Straight on St. Patrick's Day of 88, and I still contend with fears and nightmares and demons. I will not deny my fears or yours by saying that you should look on the bright side or get over it. But....



I can however say that I noticed a couple things. First the trivial, I was in Springfield, VA from Oct 86 unitl Mar 88. So it seems that you and I were simultaneously being demoralized. Anyway.



The other things I want to say I noticed are in response to your question, "when the hell will I ever feel love?" I think you know the answer to that. NOW. I assume Moobie is your fiance. He seems to be hanging in with you. And you wrote briefly and passionately about feeling your daughter's love for you.



Feeling love after the abuse we have suffered is so confusing. Believing that we are worthy of love, capable of loving, and trusting another with our self is hard for people who haven't gone through abuse. Now lets remind ourselves of what we've been through. Metalgod's word complicated is only the tip of the iceberg. Self-loathing and self-doubt are only two of the complications most of us suffer.



Some days the demons seem to win. Some days are overwhelming. Don't deny it, but try to look at your daughter and/or Moobie and say "the demons are winning. Help me fight them." That's what I do. Look at my wife and kids and say, "everything seems to suck today, and I'm a total fuck-up. Help!" They rarely disappoint me. I won't say they can always send the demons running, but they don't often lose either.



I am a religious person. I know many here are not, and that's fine. We all make our own way in the world. I tend to pray for the people on this board in a general way. Would it be to forward of me, or would it make you uncomfortable if I prayed for you specifically? I'd like to, if you don't mind.



your brother,

Michael Cadaret

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on February 28, 2003, 07:13:00 PM

[ This Message was edited by: cult survivor on 2004-11-29 06:47 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2003, 09:25:00 PM

Broken Heart
Though I have a broken heart
I'm too busy to be heartbroken
There's a lot of things that need to be done
Lord I have a broken heart

Though I have a broken dream
I'm too busy to be dreaming of you
There's a lot of things that I've gotta do
Lord I have a broken dream

And I've wasted all my time
I've gotta drink you right off of my mind
I've been told that this will heal given time
Lord I have a broken heart

And I'm crying all the time
I have to keep it covered up with a smile
And I'll keep on moving on for a while
Lord I have a broken heart

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Froderik on February 28, 2003, 10:05:00 PM

When I first found these boards in October 2002, (almost 20 years since my intake) it was to say the least, highly emotional. (That remark would have never cut it in straight, lol, "Talk about your FEELINGS") It helped to have someone there to listen to me (my wife). It's great that your husband is so supportive of you. And rest assured that the sense of being overwhelmed will subside. And do us all a favor - if you DO choose to become a sniper, please make sure that you hit some deserving TARGETS!  :rofl:  I hope you'll pardon the dark humor...

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on February 28, 2003, 10:43:00 PM

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Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Froderik on February 28, 2003, 10:46:00 PM

36 ½. I'll be 37 in April. I'm an Aries.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2003, 11:48:00 PM

Visiting this board often transports us to our pasts. It is understandable that you feel like you go backward 20 years, because you are visiting the past when you reflect upon it. It is hard not to "dwell" in the past when you visit it so frequently.

My experience has been that it has done a little more harm than good to visit the past for the simple reason that there is pain there. Dwelling on that pain isn't necessarily therapeutic either. We can't change the past. When I think of the past it is painful and confusing, and depressing, none of which are really therapeutic. I would submit to you that this board is not the best place to be healed of past wounds, but it is good in the sense that you will bump into people that went through similar things and may find that there is some comfort in that.

I have yet to have a truly healing experience from reading these posts. I've gotten a few chuckles, though. I've gotten a healthy dose of sarcasm and angst and sometimes a ray of light here and there. But when you look at the board as a whole you are usually looking at a massive, collective, oozing and festering wound of which we are all the official scabs thereof. Not pretty.

You have to decide whether you should visit the board or not. It is realistic to say that you may not get what you are looking for from this board. You may have to seek Jesus for total fulfillment, spiritual ecstacy, and unconditional love.

This board is simply a forum for expressing thoughts and feelings without fear of consequence. There is freedom to express "negative" emotions here. Whether or not you can or want to stomach the rants is something you should probably consider. I guess all I'm saying is don't look for more than this here. It is what it is. I would look for healing somewhere else generally speaking.

People here are understandably angry. They feel that they have a right to be angry about Straight. If that is toxic to you, then limit your time on the board. My suggestion.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: METALGOD8 on March 01, 2003, 02:46:00 AM

I think we should all take a moment to gather our thoughts about what the previous poster named anonymous had to say.
Personally, I felt a wave of rage come over me for a moment or two.
Whoever this anonymous poster is has a relatively warped sense of reality, and may have inflicted a sort of major wound on the SURVIVORS.
I hope that everyone that read that post will see the forest through the trees and well, just blast the shit out of its author for being so gall.

 ::bangin::  ::puke::  :smokin:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: chinrse23 on March 01, 2003, 07:04:00 AM

I dont know if the people who went through straight are really capable of forgetting the past and moving on.  I have to agree that this would be a good way of getting over it, but what has been indoctrined during the program makes that somewhat impossible.

Hopefully, you and others can come to some sort of balance between the past and the present.  Thats all any of us are trying to do.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Froderik on March 01, 2003, 10:44:00 AM

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Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 01, 2003, 12:44:00 PM

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Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: marika708 on March 01, 2003, 08:15:00 PM

I suppose there is some validity in the thought process of "dwelling on negativity will bring you down".  But pretending nothing happened isn't the answer either...

Someone I am close to, reminded me at one point that reliving all of the horrors I experienced 20 years ago was probably the reason that I felt so down and was so emotional after I found these boards.  The solution lies, I think, in knowing your own true motive behind your being here.  I come here for the camaraderie of being with other survivors and the sense of belonging that I can't get anywhere else.

I think all of us have our down days when we feel "sadder" than others, that's only human.  But everyone I have seen post on these board is a SURVIVOR, we not be perfectly where we want to be in our lives, but we are alive and making it, IN SPITE OF WHAT THOSE JERKS DID TO US!  

Some days I make it through easily and some days I wonder if I am going to make it through the next 5 minutes, those are the days I really need you guys.  I am very glad you're all here, and I think that we all run through a gamut of emotions when we started posting here.

Morli, all I can say is that based on my experience, what you are going through sounds extremely normal to me.  Give it time and just remember that IF you need to take a break from these boards, we'll still be here when you get back.  

Takce care,

Marika

When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in a society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
--Fredric Bastiat

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: 85 Day Jerk on March 01, 2003, 11:06:00 PM

I sometimes wonder if God punishes me for never using the talents that come natural to me.  It truly was a wonder unfolding like a
cactus flower in the desert moonlight, the time that I decided to draw a child's portrait that boring afternoon at Clearview Elementary when it had rained and the playground was muddy  so the children had to stay inside.
As I sat and concentrated on that one child's face, twenty three other young faces stared back at mine in intense curiosity as 20 odd years of idle talent slowly crept back into my hands as they began to dance and flutter across the blank sheet of paper.  Before I could stop myself, I had drawn a cherubic 8 year old girl as she would wind up looking at 16.  I kind of realized my own emptiness and isolation from not having a family or child of my own.  In the days that followed, the children would beg to have their portraits done and I began to experiment.
Portraits done in crayon were the most beautiful and held up well, but were also the hardest to draw.  My hands would ache so bad afterwards I would swear I would never do another, then the next day I would see if I could top the drawing from the day before.

As it turned out, I had found a valuable tool for teaching the children self disipline.
There were times I used the drawings as a weapon.  If I was displeased with a child, I would refuse to draw them and this always brought about the most angelic behavior in even the most problematic child.  All of the children took their drawings home with them
where they no doubt took the pole position on
the refrigerator door.  I signed my name to most of them, and although I never earned a penny for any of them no amount of money could buy the happiness and adoration that the children showered onto me for their gift.

_________________
In the line of fire, you know what to say
They gave us no choices, just one shade of grey
Back at that hellhole, behind Tyrone Mall
We walked in darkness, kept hitting the walls
I took the time to feel for the door
I had been treated, but what the hell for?

[ This Message was edited by: 85 Day Jerk on 2003-03-01 20:07 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2003, 11:16:00 PM

I didn't mean for my post to be an all out assault on the integrity of the board. It seems that one must put on the bullet proof vests to post an opinion that isn't in agreement with the party line here. I think this kind of smear campaign is reminiscent of the brainwashed in the Straight program. It's the same intimidation, and exaggeration, and hype that I saw when I was in the program, for you respond in the exact same way as the phasers did in the program when they suspected a fellow peer to be "full of it". All that is missing is the wild flapping of arms to get called on by the officials here. The only difference is that you've changed the rallying cry from "you can be Straight this very day" to "Reject everyone who doesn't kiss OUR ass".

Like fire breathing dragons, you come down for the kill, why, because I expressed my humble opinion only. I don't know it all, but like I said before. Healing is not the objective of this site. Propaganda is. You're present world is as warped as you choose to make it and if you want to remain in the gall of bitterness over the past, Fine. I am not going to waste my precious time explaining why I said what I said. I stand by what I said.

I wasn't giving an overall critique of the board and the wonderful people here in the first place. I was simply stating my opinion, an opinion that has been expressed by other posters from time to time which always gets shut down and squashed by the fire-breathing party line. These strong arm tactics are truly unnecessary and I am disappointed at the shallowness I am seeing here, but not surprised.

To clarify, there is alot that can be offered on this board, but I still say that this board, in a general sense, is a place for venting. If that is therapeutic to you, then fine. Vent until your heart is content. Rage against that machine.

I am not in any "denial" about the problems surrounding Straight. But I refuse to give up my brain to swallow everything that I hear from you guys as infallible truth. Did I accidently defy the Forum Papacy?

What are you guys about anyway? You act like you will never recover from Staight and admit it! That is called LOSING!!!! I know I can and will recover from my Straight inflicted wounds. I will not be pulled back into the steamy caldron of hot poopy that you bathe and romp in. You guys are nuts if you think I am going to romp in the hot stinky poo and say "it's good for you", because I am free not to romp in the stinky poo. I am free to say it is not good for you to romp in the poopy. I am free to tell others that poopy stinks. Hate me all you want, it will only make me stronger. Your ways will never win the war. You lack discipline.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Jay on March 02, 2003, 02:14:00 AM

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: chinrse23 on March 02, 2003, 06:06:00 AM

To the anon poster, i am definitely not a "fire breathing dragon" unless you consider it to be in defense of my husband.  

We all survive everyday.  Our opinions and thoughts are formed by what has happened in the past.  Straight people were forced into a world where they learned how to deal with the future only by going over and over again everything bad that happened in their lives and how they caused it.

Not only that, they learned to do this at a time when their minds were developing into adulthood.
They were "taught" this is the way that you become a better person.

They cannot just simply "forget" this. Just as you will not forget what your parents taught you.

This board has helped me very much in my time of need.  They have accepted my opinions and I dont always tow the line.

I have seen first hand what straight can do.  I hope that you can realize just what the program was about and try not to judge people so harshly.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2003, 09:46:00 AM

oh mg8,, you're so over emoticonable!

 ::bigsmilebounce::  ::bigsmilebounce::  ::bigsmilebounce::

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2003, 09:48:00 AM

(that last post by a different anonymous than the one raged against)

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2003, 09:51:00 AM

cute! I love it!

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2003, 10:13:00 AM

Again, this is a different anonymous than the original one everyone is so mad at.

The funny thing is, since Morli has started posting on this board I find I identify with her immensely, and yet, I also found myself in some degree of agreement with Anonymous' post that got everyone so mad.

In response to I believe Moobie's post which I read today, I was going to advise counseling for healing from Straight, and also advise carefulness on choosing a counselor. I went through a very very angry period in which I was angry all the time and not just about Straight. I went to a counselor for a while who was just as angry as me or more, but she did not show this directly in our sessions, only subtly, and I finally was able to trust my instinct about her and leave. I then realized that a number of her clients (I knew who they were because it was a small town) were quite angry women. One of them, at least, had been going to this counselor for years and was still angry, as well as abusive, which I found out when I worked for her. Anyway, the counselor encouraged anger. I wanted to find a different way in the world. I told her about screaming at my housemates to be quiet at night and she suggested that I had finally found the way to get them to be quiet.

I have also spoken with another counselor who said that my anger was healthier than depression. That was a good point. But she was such a good adviser to me that it wasn't all about the anger, instead it was letting the anger be a motivator, or a sign that things needed to change, something that got me in touch with my hara. Also, she encouraged me to see the other person's side from a perspective of love, to see the bigger picture even though the other person was hurting me. To see that person's actions toward me as a symptom of something else within them and not take it so personal.

So I think I understand where the other anonymous is coming from. If we JUST stay angry... well, there is nothing wrong with that, that is a choice, but is there something else which we want to fill our lives? Like Morli was saying about how Moobie & her daughter can help send the demons running away. Then you are filled with love. Are Morli and Anonymous really so different in what they are trying to say?

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: METALGOD8 on March 02, 2003, 11:54:00 AM

Alright, Miss, or Mr. Anonymous or whoever. I suppose get wrapped up in the fragile aspect of things regarding straight inc and the people who want to find help on the outside and the like here at this and other survivor forums. For you to unhumbly say this forum is not the place to look for help just took a wrong turn in my mind, plus the fact that I have personal experience dealing with current issues and people who are on the edge constantly as a result of their treatment at straight. They call anytime they want, they chat, they email, they do all kinds of things by using these forums to HEAL!!! Maybe I came off too strong, I apologize if I offended anyone. Normally I maintain my composure a little more than that, but I am very passionate about what we do to help survivors after they find this stuff on the internet. I really never confronted anyone in the program, so I guess it makes sense that the first time I get really upset at ANONYMOUS comments, it would not go over too well. straight inc affected everybody in different ways, some to the point where they chose to end their lives, others who contemplate ending it often, but see others who deal with issues now and work to help. I love to help people come back from that misery and pain and heal. This board is a gateway to hope and healing. This is present day stuff, not 20 years ago stuff. I believe that some of your anonymous post made some sense, but there is also some reason to fly off about it too, depending on the particular circumstances people are experiencing. If you have recovered from the survivor experience, that's fine. To fling out such "this isnt the place" ideas in this particular case could seriously compromise progress that people who are on the edge have made. Of course, you may not agree with that, and that of course is just that, an opinion. Opinions are often misunderstood, I am guilty of that, I admit. I think in this case I am justified in having an upset type emotion. I think if you realized the whole picture, then you may alter some of your opinions to better suit the times. I understand that is your choice so I will ask you at this time, if you read this, can you understand my reasoning, and have some sort of middle ground? I may have overreacted a bit with the "blast the shit out the author" thing, those emoticons got out of hand,  :smokin:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 02, 2003, 02:18:00 PM

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Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Antigen on March 02, 2003, 03:58:00 PM

Bob, here's something to think about. Try and find out about any street fairs and such that are coming up and find out how you'd go about setting up a booth. I've seen such artist rake in several hundred a day. Of course, it's not steady work. But damned good when you can get it. And it's a whole lot more fun than most regular employment.

What is a committee?  A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.    
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Antigen on March 02, 2003, 04:19:00 PM

On 2003-03-02 07:13:00, Anonymous wrote: I went to a counselor for a while who was just as angry as me or more, but she did not show this directly in our sessions, only subtly, and I finally was able to trust my instinct about her and leave. I then realized that a number of her clients (I knew who they were because it was a small town) were quite angry women.

I spent some time a few years back working for an answering service. (This is not something I would recomend to anyone for stress management, btw.) Most of our customers were various kinds of medical practices. Some were nice and friendly, some were strictly business, some were tough customers and others were so well loved and resopected by their patients that it was a true honor to serve them. Then there were a few who stood out as total assholes.

The queen of that hill would call each and every day complaining about anything from a call answered on the 3rd or 4th ring to alleged overbilling to... you name it, it was always something. And this lady didn't just complain, she reemed! It was her policy to daily find some subordinate, pin their feet to the ground and pimp slap them around for awhile (figuratively). She was also the head head shrinker of a practice with the term "Anger Management" in the name. I suppose they subscribed to the Mike Tyson method of anger management.

Anyway, I've always done alright (I think) on the theory that I've had just about all the help I can stand. Examining this stuff has helped me to better understand some of my crazyness and to sort out what's crazy about me from what's merely different from people lucky enough to not understand that anyone can pretty easily be broken and brainwashed and caused to betray their very families.

 It's a harsh reality and I sometimes envy people who have never had cause to see it. But it's also nothing new in this world. Cultism has been with us always and probably always will be. But roses still smell sweet, spring always follows winter and life is still worth living for a thousand reasons. I'm grateful to have had the good fortune not to have been born black in So. Africa, for example, or in Russia around the time of the Revolution. Could be worse, ya' know?

 

It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues

--Abraham Lincoln

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Antigen on March 02, 2003, 04:40:00 PM

On 2003-03-01 20:16:00, Anonymous wrote:Like fire breathing dragons, you come down for the kill, why, because I expressed my humble opinion only. I don't know it all, but like I said before. Healing is not the objective of this site. Propaganda is.

On 2003-03-01 20:16:00, Anonymous wrote:I wasn't giving an overall critique of the board and the wonderful people here in the first place. I was simply stating my opinion, an opinion that has been expressed by other posters from time to time which always gets shut down and squashed by the fire-breathing party line. These strong arm tactics are truly unnecessary and I am disappointed at the shallowness I am seeing here, but not surprised.

I hope you can understand how such a statement might be offensive to people for whom these forums are all about healing. Your comments come off sounding a whole lot like "Just get over it, it's in the past for Christ's sake!" which is something that most of us are sick to death of hearing.

But, unlike in the Program, you're free to say what you want and equally entitled to read (or not) anyone's response to it.

BTW, in case ya'll don't know this, you can register a username with entirely bogus information. You don't even have to give a real email address. It's just that if you ever forget your password, you'll have to ask us to change it for you instead of using the automagical email lookup, which sends the new password to the email address that you enter. All these anons are getting confusing!

Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 02, 2003, 04:52:00 PM

[ This Message was edited by: cult survivor on 2004-11-29 06:49 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ClayL on March 03, 2003, 09:52:00 AM

On 2003-03-02 15:59:00, ShaneUNC wrote: "Feeling love for me isn't difficult, but trusting it is. I can say that the term was thrown about in Straight in a very negative way.

I couldn't agree more with Shane! My issues with love have nothing to do with the person who is "in love" with me or loves me. (They are different.) My issue has everything to do with believing I am worthy of love. I was told I was a shitty person so consistently for long enough to believe it. Then I went to straight....



I cannot begin to tell y'all the amount of work it has taken to get my self esteem on par with my ego. Truly frightening is the fact that I can go right back into the self-hating, loathesome indivdual in a very short time. About 4 years ago I had been out of work for about 9 months and couldn't find a job. I was out in the woods hunting and went from I'm going to find supper to crying because I was so useless (not a good thing when you have a loaded rifle handy) in a matter of maybe an hour. My wife still loved me....



Shortly after this, I started my own business that did fairly well during it's first year. Early in the 3rd year I had to close the business, default the creditors and I hid in shame for I live in a medium sized town where all the business people know one another. I had to sell me house and move into an old farm house that is owned jointly between my father, my siblings and myself. Once again all this stuff came pounding in on me. I wound up on a serotonin uptake inhibitor which undepressed me some. Still, my wife loved me....



Somewhere during this time, I started to believe there was something about me that was worthy of being loved. The greatest thing in the world was pushing a stroller through the Charlotte Airport with my son hollering, "Your the man, daddy!" the entire time. I have been with my wife for 13 years and, on the 9th, benn married for 7. I can only say it was through time alone and very little effort on my part, that perhaps this belief has come. I mean, for crying out loud, I have been a first class shit head at times. One of those stupid sayings, "Don't give up before the miracle happens." Anyway my two cents..., for what their worth.

On 2003-03-02 13:40:00, Ginger wrote: BTW, in case ya'll don't know this, you can register a username with entirely bogus information. You don't even have to give a real email address. It's just that if you ever forget your password, you'll have to ask us to change it for you instead of using the automagical email lookup, which sends the new password to the email address that you enter. All these anons are getting confusing!

Ginger, have I said lately, You're the Woman!



CL

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Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2003, 10:01:00 AM

JESUS, WHAT ASS-HOLE WROTE THIS PILE OF CRAP?SORRY PEOPLE. BUT PLEASE,WHO NEEDS THAT?

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2003, 10:04:00 AM

OOPS! THAT WAS FOR PAGE #1 ANON. NO OFFENCE TO THE LAST POST MADE. MY BAD.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ClayL on March 03, 2003, 01:31:00 PM

Geez! I was wondering what I had said to offend! LOL


CL

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Carmel on March 03, 2003, 05:54:00 PM

Communism anyone? YOU sound like a resident of the BIG HOLE OF DENIAL that America is becoming.  Damn right you can say what you like here....everyone else is doing it, including you....dont you dare tell others that there comments are npot valid here because they dont meet with your approval and then in turn insult them directly back.  Thats FUCKED UP.
 

"This board is NOT "simply a forum for expressing thoughts and feelings without fear of consequence". Show some accountability. If you want a place where you can just say whatever random thoughts come to mind, this is not the place to do it. And I say "random" because it's actually really hard to figure out what it is you're trying to say with your posts. I have an even harder time trying to understand why someone with your opinion would waste your time, not to mention all of ours, by posting something that is of no value to anyone. This forum in not a place to debate. You can have your opinion, just put it somewhere else. "

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Antigen on March 03, 2003, 06:32:00 PM

Carmel, I'm not sure who you're addressing here. I think it's the original Anon poster who everyone's all mad at. And, just to be a bitch, I'm going to stand up for Anon. I disagree with some of the things he/she has said. But I wouldn't go so far as to say they can't or shouldn't say them here or to define what this forum is good for for any user but myself.

For example, Anon says it's all about propaganda. Well, that's a harsh term sometimes used to describe political speech with which one disagrees. Although I don't mind that people are using this forum for socializing and even healing, the primary reason why I set it up was actually to get the word out "straight from the horses' mouths", so to speak, for the specific purpose of blowing great, gaping holes in the political currency of those people who are still making political hay on what they did to us.

There's just one very important difference between this forum and the way Straight, Inc. (&Co) go about promoting ideas. We don't have any "No talking ____" rules. In fact, rampant talking out in group is the whole point. And I think we'll win out in the end, too, because we don't have the considerable overhead of controling what anyone has to say in order to support a forgone conclusion.

The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are constitutional rights secure.
-- Albert Einstein

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Antigen on March 03, 2003, 06:36:00 PM

On 2003-03-03 06:52:00, ClayL wrote:Ginger, have I said lately, You're the Woman! CL

Thanks :nworthy:

The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 03, 2003, 06:47:00 PM

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Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2003, 07:53:00 PM

There is a place you can call 24/7 just to talk . ISAC has a talk line 727-796-7118 if you just want to chat with another survivor. If you feel you need to talk to a professional who is familiar with Straight survivors and what they go through

go to http://www.straightincorporated.com (http://www.straightincorporated.com) and on the left hand side of the page is helpline number for survivors.



Just thought if you ever needed it its there.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: like a bird on March 04, 2003, 01:27:00 AM

Well said, Ginger. Thank you for moderating this forum with the highest principles in mind.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Carmel on March 04, 2003, 10:04:00 AM

Ginger, and all...let me clarify....



The bottom portion of my "Commie" post was a copied and pasted quote , which I believe was made by **** previously in the thread.  That post, I see is now DELETED...and **** follows with the comment that he/she has the right to say "mean shit" if he/she likes....which would, correct me if I am wrong...also mean that the original ANON (whom I support by the way) should be afforded the same right and respect.



Hence....my comment about making the request to take his "opinion somewhere else" was followed by a rather volatile and offensive opinion of Morli's own..... is FUCKED UP.  A double standard in my opinion.



Hope this clears it up.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 04, 2003, 01:39:00 PM

That was not me, it was my fiance.
That doesn't matter. Last friday i was so deprepssed i felt like dying. The topic question got lost in the politics after a while.

As for the anon. his reply was cold, rude and seemed out of place to tell a depressed girl. IMO. Yes, he has every right to say them.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Jay on March 04, 2003, 03:37:00 PM

Actually it was my "Communist" post that seems to have everyone upset. Let me apologize. I guess my reaction was a little over the top, I did not mean to suggest censorship or denying anyone the ability to express their own opinions. My intention was to suggest that the "Anon"'s comment really didn't belong in this thread and was actually detrimental, considering the nature of the original topic. (see the opening post)That was why I was upset about the reference to posting without consequences.

I deleted my original post because it was just adding to fire. And I don't want to be the one hijacking this thread. So for anyone who read my "incendiary" post consider it rescinded.

And my apologies to those who took my post to be promoting that there be no free will to dissent here. If we all agreed then there would be nothing to talk about. This is a great forum and I wouldn't want to change anything.

[now we return you to the regularly scheduled program already in progress?]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Carmel on March 04, 2003, 03:48:00 PM

You know this whole thing is so full of hypocritical BS...I am just going to drop it.  I was cold and rude...YOU were cold and rude...every one has a cold and rude opinion. Anon was rude to her, I was rude to you, you were rude to anon and then back to me. So we are all allowed to be rude and cold.

In my opinion, anon was right.  Different people get different experiences and levels of support from this board.  Its not a cure-all, and there is good with the bad....OBVIOUSLY.  He/she was just telling her that she should take it for what its worth and not have un-real expectations.  Thats a very noble thing to do rather than pretend we are all without fault in how we interact on this board.  Maybe you should speak with your fiance about these points and how  no one should be told to "take it somewhere else" if it doesnt jive with the sparkling aura of love and support that he feels should be prevalent here.  I just became angry because I tell people the same thing that anon told her.  USe this place as a guide, but dont expect the board or anyone on it to give you all the answers.  Thats a fair point.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2003, 04:55:00 PM

DUDE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A BONG HIT YOU CRAZY DRUGGIES :wstupid:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2003, 05:09:00 PM

On 2003-03-04 12:48:00, Carmel wrote: "You know this whole thing is so full of hypocritical BS...I am just going to drop it.  I was cold and rude...YOU were cold and rude...every one has a cold and rude opinion. Anon was rude to her, I was rude to you, you were rude to anon and then back to me. So we are all allowed to be rude and cold."

  Sure, just not when it could be distructive.
 Do we want more names on the suicides list?

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Jay on March 04, 2003, 05:24:00 PM

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Carmel on March 04, 2003, 05:29:00 PM

OK EVERYBODY.  Lets all refrain from speaking negatively about the board.  After all, there is nothing negative that ever takes place here.  We are all happy healthy recovering survivors and we have happy healthy loving stories to tell and everyone is going to be healed quicker than Benny Hinn can slap us on our heads and make us so.

We should all take responsibility for others feelings and go out of our way to accomodate them even if it means not telling the whole truth.  After all, wouldnt we just put ourselves on a no-phase if they were to hurt themselves just because of something we said to them?  Always be sensitive and caring, and if they are let down in any way...well, it wont be OUR fault now will it?

LOVE YAAAAAAAAA GROUP!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, just last time I checked we had all left Straight.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Carmel on March 04, 2003, 05:33:00 PM

Ya, I know its a total rant....were are all entitled to them. Yeesh!

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 04, 2003, 05:40:00 PM

Pretty sad.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 04, 2003, 06:06:00 PM

On 2003-03-02 03:06:00, chinrse157 wrote: "To the anon poster, i am definitely not a "fire breathing dragon" unless you consider it to be in defense of my husband."

Good point.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: METALGOD8 on March 04, 2003, 11:31:00 PM

Yep, it just won't die. I offered some middle ground and have heard nothing, so I assume at this point that my offer has not been read. I try to give the benefit of the doubt to people, but when they categorize me and call me names, and don't see the whole picture in real time, then I get upset. I figured that the original anonymous poster put that post in the wrong topic, but then I noticed that it was in the right topic, and they were either unaware that their statements were highly offensive, and needed reminding, or that they were just cold blooded and had little care for others here that use the board for help. Either way, while it was some opinion, some insult, some preaching, some of a little of everything, it would have been better off left out. When my wife and I hosted the reunion last summer, we had over 22 survivors here. One of them put off killing himself because he wanted to see what the reunion was going to be about. After the reunion, he went back home, and started getting involved helping people, knowing that there were quite possibly more people out there that felt like him before the reunion. OK, so moral is that people need these gatherings, forums, boards, chats, IM's, phone calls, you name it, WE NEED THEM!!! What we don't need is someone doing like the original anonymous poster to Morli did. Maybe a lesson from this will be to be a bit more careful about how things are worded, or some more thought could be given to the ramifications of such "opinionated generalizations". I personally disliked that generalization of being the scab of a festering wound. Come on Carmel, you like that? LOL... I don't really think you do.  MG8 :smokin:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 05, 2003, 10:48:00 AM

[ This Message was edited by: cult survivor on 2004-11-29 06:51 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: SilmarilOne on March 07, 2003, 01:00:00 AM

Sorry, couldnt think of a subject.  I don't know if I will be helped by finding these boards either, but all my life I have been compelled to seek knowledge whether it harms my mental health or not.  I haven't been around here long, but so far one thing I do know is that I would probably have killed myself already if not for some of the people here.  Thank you.

-thomas  (sarasota straight 80-83)

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 07, 2003, 12:27:00 PM

On 2003-03-04 20:31:00, METALGOD8 wrote: "When my wife and I hosted the reunion last summer, we had over 22 survivors here. One of them put off killing himself because he wanted to see what the reunion was going to be about. After the reunion, he went back home, and started getting involved helping people, knowing that there were quite possibly more people out there that felt like him before the reunion. OK, so moral is that people need these gatherings, forums, boards, chats, IM's, phone calls, you name it, WE NEED THEM!!! What we don't need is someone doing like the original anonymous poster to Morli did. Maybe a lesson from this will be to be a bit more careful about how things are worded, or some more thought could be given to the ramifications of such "opinionated generalizations". I personally disliked that generalization of being the scab of a festering wound. Come on, you like that? LOL... I don't really think you do.  MG8 :smokin: "

Thinking about the consequinces of your actions, before you act, a.k.a. Caring.
That makes all the diffrence in the World.
Thanks MG8! and Everyone.

[ This Message was edited by: cult survivor on 2004-11-29 06:52 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2003, 06:34:00 PM

On 2003-03-06 22:00:00, SilmarilOne wrote: "Sorry, couldnt think of a subject.  I don't know if I will be helped by finding these boards either, but all my life I have been compelled to seek knowledge whether it harms my mental health or not.  I haven't been around here long, but so far one thing I do know is that I would probably have killed myself already if not for some of the people here.  Thank you. -thomas  (sarasota straight 80-83) "

And we will remain here for you, no matter who keeps yelling, "GET OVER IT!"
 ::heart::

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2003, 04:31:00 PM

You know.......I know how you feel.....I found this board, on accident, today. To say the least, I'm pretty overwhelmed, after spending a few hours here....reading, and unfortunately, remembering.....bad times, and a choice few....good. I am a survivor of their hell myself....and I hope you feel better.....if not today, tomorrow......... Plymouth, MI. survivor 86-87........

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2003, 04:33:00 PM

BY THE WAY!!!!!!!     :smokin:  :smokin:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 13, 2003, 05:15:00 PM

[ This Message was edited by: cult survivor on 2004-11-29 06:52 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on March 13, 2003, 05:57:00 PM

[ This Message was edited by: cult survivor on 2004-11-29 06:52 ]

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2003, 06:16:00 PM

727-596-7118

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on April 04, 2003, 11:54:00 PM

How this post turned into an attack on me I really don't get.

 :???:

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2003, 01:23:00 AM

:wstupid:  It is called depression They have meds for that these days Hmmmm

Title: To the original poster:
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2003, 01:50:00 PM

I've prayed many a prayer for you.  I know you only by your postings, and I appreciate your gentle spirit despite the rough times in your past.  The God I worship and love offers a healing available to anyone who asks.  I won't and don't even want to ever push my beliefs on anyone, but I will tell you that I would love the opportunity to share with you so many of the blessings that have come in my life out of otherwise terrible situations.  My heart goes out to ALL of the survivors on this post.  There is so much anger, rage, confusion, pain, hurt, lonliness, emptiness here.  I am wholly and unconditionally in love with my husband, a Straight survivor.  I know I could not give him the love he needs and deserves without the love of my precious God.  As I am sure many of the spouses know, some behaviors and attitudes of survivors are not easily understood by someone with no experience of Straight.  I do know that your feelings are totally vaild, and I think it is really a blessing that you are able to so freely express and try to understand them.
At any rate, I am finishing up a powerful study, and there were some words I wanted to share with you.  I don't know if they will help you, but they sure spoke to me.  Here it is...
Forgiveness is not just forgetting.  Forgiveness does not necessarily mean that the other person was right.  Forgiveness does not mean that all the pain vanishes instantly.  Forgiveness does not mean the other person controls you."
Refusing to forgive is like a wound that is gouged open every day.  Each day the wound gets worse because you keep reopening it.  Eventually, the wound gets infected.  The pain of the wound grows in intensity.  That is what it is like when you do not forgive.  Bitterness sets in.  You keep hurting even when the event that caused the pain is no longer happening.
Forgiveness, by contrast, is like a wound that was once deep but has been allowed to heal.  This wound has been treated.  Now it is just a scar.  Each day you think less and less about the scar.  You can look at it and remember something that was once very painful; but as you look at the scar, you know that the wound itself is only a memory.  This is forgiveness."

Author: Tim Sledge
Workbook: "Making Peace With Your Past"
Unit 10,Day 2

This study has made a tremendous impact in the life of my family.  As a matter of fact, my husband discovered the truth about Straight while I was in the middle of Unit 7, "Healing Painful Memories", subtopic, "Signs of 'Unremembered' Memories".

I, too, am an at-home mom, and I identify with you.  (two beautiful and wonderful children 4 1/2 and 20 months)  I appreciate the chance to share this with you and anyone else who might be reading.  I hope there was nothing offensive or hurtful in my post, as I know boundaries are often overstepped in this forum.  Peace to you and your family, Morli.

With God's love,
Powerful Attitude's Wife
 ::heart::

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: ehm on April 05, 2003, 06:53:00 PM

Thank you very much.

Title: How 'bout them cubbies?
Post by: Antigen on April 06, 2003, 11:49:00 AM

On 2003-04-05 10:50:00, Anonymous wrote: I, too, am an at-home mom, and I identify with you.  (two beautiful and wonderful children 4 1/2 and 20 months)  I appreciate the chance to share this with you and anyone else who might be reading.  I hope there was nothing offensive or hurtful in my post, as I know boundaries are often overstepped in this forum.  Peace to you and your family. With God's love, Powerful Attitude's Wife ::heart:: "

Man! Sane people posting to our forums? What's with that? I'm not sure I know how to handle this...  :nworthy:

May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy  hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)