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Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2003, 10:06:00 AM

Before Pathway I had multiple addictions that ran my life.  I was out of control and afraid of the world.  I was planning out my suicide a week before I arrived at Pathway.  I had attempted suicide, ran away, stole from my family and friends, I overdosed too many times to count.  I was a mess and I did not care at all.  My dream was to be a bum.  I was living for the next high.  Since being at Pathway, I became a positive friend, I don?t hurt myself anymore.  I have learned about my disease and about coping skills.  Pathway taught me how to grow up and live life instead of not knowing even my own name.  I have gotten a better sense of self than ever imagined.  I have real feelings and real friends.  I have positive support and an actual chance to succeed in life.

CD

Title: My Story
Post by: Antigen on February 26, 2003, 06:53:00 PM

Welp, I can see the script hasn't changed one bit in all these years. Amazing, isn't it?

Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2003, 07:22:00 PM

Wow!  Sounds like major druggie denial on your part.  Are you threatened by my experience, or that I took the time to post it here?

Title: My Story
Post by: ramprato on February 28, 2003, 07:26:00 AM

On 2003-02-27 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow! Sounds like major druggie denial on your part. Are you threatened by my experience, or that I took the time to post it here?"

Wow!, sounds like we have a brainwashee testing his his wings using the word "druggie", a cult term used 20+ years ago on us, the people this know-nothing is attempting to attack.....fack-ing amatures....  :roll:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2003, 12:15:00 PM

Your treatment goes back 20+ years?  Man, you should get a life and move on.  Or get some reality therapy.

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on February 28, 2003, 09:40:00 PM

OK, how come you post as anonymous? Are you afraid that someone will tell your fellow Pathwaylings that you are cavorting with the POW's of the drug war? How many friends do you have? What is your first thought when you sit next to someone drinking a beer?  :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on February 28, 2003, 09:46:00 PM

I must also wonder what you know about "reality therapy" If you are referring to RSA or RET principles let me know, please. Thank you
 MG8  :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: ramprato on February 28, 2003, 10:24:00 PM

Once again, it sounds like the amateur is trying to hawk his cult-brand "awareness" on us. Naaa, No one who is facing the truth and recovering from brainwashing done by PFC or its predecessors requires your "profound advice"....been there - done that.... Oh hell yeah I have a life, it's damned good therapy exposing mind rape mills like PFC is. It's extremely rewarding getting my life back knowing I am helping in exposing any Straight Inc. spin-off. I am tired of young people having to suffer at the hands of greedy cultists that have only $$$$ at heart.

I just love it when you guys become apologists for abusing kids, trying to sound like PFC is a kinder-gentler Straight Inc. Are you guys still walking your dogs, whoops, I meant human beings 'arm-in-arm' like a dog on a leash? You know that is a really sick thing to do to someone, it leaves permanent scars on their psyches. You guys are obviously worried to death that we are getting hold of your dirty little secrets you don't want the rest of the world knowing. LOL, what are you going to do when runaways and pull-offs from PFC start to get a hold of us and let us know the 411 on PFC?? Better get busy, looks like you have a lot of leaks to plug on that sinking ship of yours called PFC.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2003, 02:10:00 PM

Hmmmm. It's me again. I wrote the original story about how I disagree with Pathway's actions, and how they kept me prisoner for over two years. I haven't been on the site for a while, but I am amazed at the response that I received from a "Pathway Parent." Might I add that I know probably 30 former clients of Pathway that hold the same views as me. I even admit that for a while I had the same attitude as this poor fool above. I believed Pathway had "saved" me. Oh yeah, then I figured out I wasn't even a drug addict. Ha

Title: My Story
Post by: Antigen on March 07, 2003, 02:56:00 PM

On 2003-02-27 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote: "Wow!  Sounds like major druggie denial on your part.  Are you threatened by my experience, or that I took the time to post it here?"

Wow! That's some amazing trick you just did! You just diagnosed a substance abuse problem in a person who you've never met and don't really know anything about, except of course that he/she differs with you on whether or not Pathway is a cult.

Not to confuse you with any facts or anything, but Ramprato is so straight you can almost hear him crinkle when he walks. No kidding. Good friend of mine. But every time we get together, I have to go find some near bear or make tea or something because he won't even have a single beer. Ramprato "don't smoke, don't chew..." but doesn't disrespect those that do, either.

So, it ain't drugs, what could it be? Maybe the truth?

In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws.  But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King

Title: My Story
Post by: ehm on March 07, 2003, 03:05:00 PM

On 2003-02-26 07:06:00, Anonymous wrote: "Before Pathway I had multiple addictions that ran my life.  I was out of control and afraid of the world.  I was planning out my suicide a week before I arrived at Pathway.  I had attempted suicide, ran away, stole from my family and friends, I overdosed too many times to count.  I was a mess and I did not care at all.  My dream was to be a bum.  I was living for the next high.  Since being at Pathway, I became a positive friend, I don?t hurt myself anymore.  I have learned about my disease and about coping skills.  Pathway taught me how to grow up and live life instead of not knowing even my own name.  I have gotten a better sense of self than ever imagined.  I have real feelings and real friends.  I have positive support and an actual chance to succeed in life. CD"

Is that directly off of a Pathway Family Center pamphlet or what? Not much has changed in 20 years, nope sure hasn't. That is so frightening, you poor thing, how old were you when you went into Pathway? How long were you there? Did you ever feel like anything that went on in PFC was wrong? Did the experience scare you? Facts don't lie, don't mislead yourself to condone this treatment of any human beings, especially when it is still happening today. You can help stop them! They brainwash people into believing it was the best thing for them. Why do you think you all sound exactly the same. Do you know anything about cult mind contol? Do a little re-search. Ever read 1984? Free your mind. People only say this because they actually DO care.I have nothing to gain but to try and help, but PFC certainly does.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Morli

P.S. What do you consider overdosing?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2003, 04:46:00 PM

DEAR CD,

    I WANT TO SAY HOW GLAD I AM TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE FOUND SOME OF THESE GREAT INSIGHTS ABOUT YOURSELVE. I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I TO AM A GRADUATE OF PATHWAY FAMILY CENTER. I WAS VERY MUCH IN THOSE SAME SHOES I FELT HOPELESS REGARDING THE THE PROBLEMS OF MY LIFE. I KNOW NOW THAT THE SUPPORT THAT I ALWAYS SOUGHT IS THERE OR A PHONE CALL AWAY. WITH OUR DISEASE CUNNING AND POWERFUL WE NEED NEVER FALL BACK TO OUR ACTIVE ADDICTION. WE LIKE OTHERS MAY DIE AND BE JUST ANOTHER NUMBER IN THAT LIST. STAY CLEAN GO TO MEETINGS AND OUR DREAMS WILL COME TRUE.


                    PROUD GRADUATE

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2003, 05:21:00 PM

DEAR METALNUTS OH MY FAULT METAL HEAD
   

   YOU SPEAK SO HIGH OF A PROGRAM YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN YOU MAY CONCLUDE THAT ANY PROGRAM THAT OFFERS HELP TO ADDICTION PROBLEMS IS WORTHLESS. IF THIS IS SO THEN OUR WORLD THAT I PROTECT IS DOOMED. I'M GLAD THAT YOU SEEM TO THINK ANY POSTIVE VIEWS REGARDING PATHWAY IS JUST BRAINWASHING. YOU SEE KNOW MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO SEEK CONTROL OR POWER YOU CAN NOT BREAK ANY OF THE GRADUATE HEARTS OR SOUL THAT THINKS HIGHLY OF PATHWAY.SO GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU DO IT WILL NOT EFFECT GOD'S PLAN FOR YOU OR I.

                     PROUD GRADUATE


P.S. I SEE ALSO YOUR TRUE CLASS WHEN YOU TRY AND PUT SOMEONE DOWN. YOU DO NOT KNOW. WOW I'M IMPRESSED MR. METALNUTS RAMHARDBERT.

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on March 10, 2003, 10:39:00 PM

Hi anonymous.

 You are probably scared to death that your fellow (victims) graduates, who also always seem to post here anonymously, are going to see you here. He who spouts brainwashed mumbo jumbo should be a bit more careful about it. For now, I will allow that namecalling talk to pass, but please respect your elders. Thank you. You can call me all the names in the book. It is OK, you can be as brainwashed as you wish, this is the USA you know. Give it 20 or so years, you will see.

MG8 :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2003, 10:46:00 PM

Dear Anonymous,
  Not to put too fine a point on it, but being unable to distinguish between one's own identity and that of the group is a major red flag that you might be in a cult. Being unable to handle life's travails outside of the group and believing that "the world is doomed" without the cult are a couple more items on the "you might be in a cult if..." list.

Give it a little time. Soon come de day when you "really 7th step". Some people just snap out of it all of a sudden, for others it's a dawning realization. But it's only a permanent condition for a rare few.

Title: My Story
Post by: SurvivorEMSR on March 11, 2003, 05:53:00 PM

Dear "Proud Graduate,"
I too am a graduate of Pathway Family Center, but our opinions obviously differ quite a bit. I'm not sure how long you have been out of the program, but I know that I was an avid supporter of Pathway for quite some time after my graduation. It wasn't until I got away from the aftercare program that reality set in. Today I deal with more issues derived from Pathway than from my drug use. This site is set up for people with opinions similiar to mine, yet we are willing to hear your story also. Please tell us more of your use and what you experienced. On a heavier note, it doesn't say much for your character when you criticize MetalGod for his comments and insult him with namecalling at the same time. Later. EMSR

Title: My Story
Post by: ehm on March 12, 2003, 10:20:00 AM

Um, I'm not sure if you realize this or not but, WRITING IN ALL CAPS IS THE EQUIVALENT TO YELLING ON THE NET!!!!!
 Call me kookie, but I don't listen to people who yell at me. For the simple fact of: No-one likes to be yelled at. I for one view this as poor comunication skills. Gee.... Isn't that what all these Synanon/Straight inc. spawn programs expect out of you?
Yelling is verbal abuse, and abuse is wrong, no matter how you slice it.
Why not do a little research on cult mind control there buddy, maybe you might learn a thing or two. Or not...

P.S. Say it, don't spray it!

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2003, 03:24:00 PM

Metal God,  He/She is posting anonymously because according to the Forum description, posting anonymously is encouraged.  Back off!

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on March 18, 2003, 10:22:00 AM

If you support Pathway, then so be it, but be a man about it and state your name when calling other people names. Stop being so afraid. I'll see what I can do to change the way I feel about gutless anonymous posters. Backing off is not an option.

 MG8 :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: kpickle39 on March 27, 2003, 07:39:00 PM

is still a rose...

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 09:37:00 PM

Hey, hey guys come on now apply your programs, use those serenity prayers and lets see if we cant admit where we're all powerless over one another......there feel better? o.k. now stop hoging da fuckn blunt and pass that shit! Put on some druggie music' sure eminem will do. And lets turn on the news and watch Bush and his facist assed cronies take over the world while you sit here and whine about your punk assed feelings and pointing fingers at whos a druggie and who tha fuck aint! What is this some kinda fuckn crusade going on over here! Well look ass munch you raelly should respect your elders even if his name is Metal God or whatever and maybe if you just read some of these peoples experience you may just find that you can relate to them more than your little straightling brain wants to admit.Although I do see your point of not wanting to fall into the same category as some old dude calling himself MetalGod :lol: Im just playing Metal dude Ive read alot of your posts nuff respect. Well I look forward to seeing what you little propaganda spewing bitchs will post next.Love ya's and I wish you were all here so we could do a group hug

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2003, 11:01:00 AM

okay......everyone together....."Straight incorp.............straight incorp........." I'm soooooo glad that place is gone. Maybe someday ALL of these places will be gone!!!!
Plymouth straight survivor 86-87
                       Moonman* :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2003, 11:03:00 AM

maybe they sing..."pathhhhways........pathhhhhways....." now.....       Moonman* :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2003, 11:10:00 AM

By the way......AANACA is a MUCH cheaper way to go about getting clean. Hell, maybe Pathways could hire Saddahm to be a new group leader...I'm sure he's qualified!!!!!! Don't mean to be a smart-ass, but I really do feel sorry for ALL of the people who are STILL being conned in Straight, Southfield. Truth hurts........
Plymouth Straight Survivor 86-87
                       Moonman* :smokin:  :wave:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2003, 04:34:00 AM

Hey Moonman who are you? I was in Straight around the same time you were

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2003, 10:38:00 AM

Brian Mooney, my brother John was also in there........I came in in early 86, most of the ppl there were from Cinci. Whobeyou???????
                          -Moonman* :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2003, 02:08:00 AM

You :smokin:  probably left right before I arrived, my name is Quddus, and now that I think about it I got there mid 87. When I arrived Andy Fletcher, Rich Paulie, Liz Arlingnton, and Will Bolger were on staff. 5th phasers were Bruce Goins, Peter Gilmore, Jerry trevethick, and a whole bunch of people Im sure you  knew. Sorry, its late and I just cant think of names at the moment.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2003, 03:47:00 AM

I just found this site. I know someone in Pathway and I know what goes on there.  It is brainwashing,cult behavior. I have read 1984 and when I read it I immediately thought of Pathway.I have cried reading these posts because I know of the future problems the person in Pathway is going to have.  I am going to keep reading this site.

Title: My Story
Post by: Antigen on April 19, 2003, 11:44:00 AM

Greetings and welcome,
  Thanks for taking the time to find out what happened to your friend. I'm sure that if/when you see them after the Program or when they're on higher phases, they'll treat you like dirt.

  I hope you'll understand why after reading some of this stuff and not take it personally. Either they're acting because they're scared to death of getting started over or they believe, somewhat or a lot, that you're a danger to their sanity, sobriety, etc.

  But, sooner or later, almost everyone snaps out of it. More often than not, they've already burned all the bridges to their old friends and family that haven't been destroyed by the Program and/or the kid's parents.

  Just about the only thing you can do to help your friend is probably to understand as best you can what's going on and be stubborn and be there for them and to let his or her other friends in on what's going on. That way, if they decide they want out of the madness, they'll have somewhere to turn.

What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2003, 12:06:00 PM

On 2003-04-19 00:47:00, Anonymous wrote: "I just found this site. I know someone in Pathway and I know what goes on there.  It is brainwashing,cult behavior. I have read 1984 and when I read it I immediately thought of Pathway.I have cried reading these posts because I know of the future problems the person in Pathway is going to have.  I am going to keep reading this site. "

Hello, Pathway is currently under investigation by state authorities. The renewal of their accredidation is also under review. For more information please email isac@tampabay.rr.com

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2003, 07:33:00 AM

Something about Pathway.  They put "the clients" on drugs,  antidepressants, tranquilizers almost immediately or within a few months.  It's well known by Psychiatrists that "any" mind altering drug in the teen years will prevent them from maturing.  Another way they can brainwash them. T

Title: My Story
Post by: butternationalist on April 30, 2003, 11:54:00 AM

:skull:

     My Name is ryan s pathway client(prisoner) of 16 long months.from 10/00 to 4/02. i have a hard time saying that because of all the life wasted not to mention the money that was spent trying to brainwash my stubborn ass, needless to say it never happened.so heres my view
       
       mistreatment of clients both physically and mentally by staff members,verbal degredation by many staff and clients to other clients. just a couple in a line of many things gone awry in there.
        the biggest complaint i have is the lies people are told about this hell on earth. you read the brochuer and they say, "our graduates have a 96% sucess rate." what they dont tell you is how thats only for the first year out of pathway, that sounds like just the right amount of time for the brainwash effect to finally totally remove itself from their brains.
         i have as well been told directly by staff members that even after evaluation if they dont think they are drug addicts that they hold him there anyways just to "see what happens". In translation, they keep the kid there for as long as they can and finally they butcher him to get honest day in day out untill he finally snaps and makes up his whole drug use just to get through the program because by now most of the already brainwashed oldcomers tell him he cant leave untill he graduates. so lieing is the only thing to get him through. i know many people who this applied to(besides myself.)
           another point last time i dont remember pathway being described as a lockdown facility or a bootcamp although it should. pathway has evey door locked as well as brainwashed gaurds at every door to keep the newbies from escaping. the worst part for me was sitting in a room that was right around 40 degrees without socks sitting for nearly 7 hours a day, while staff was wearing coats, hats at times , gloves just the same.

           heres the bottom line my mind was fucked in that place i should sue for mentally scarring my teenage years. i have more problems now trying to cope with pathways effects on me and my family than before i got there. if there was any pathlings in there when i was drop a line itd be nice to chat with yall.  i want those commie bastards to endure a week of what we went through for all those months i swear we'd have em in tears if we ran a group like they did with these authirities sitting behind group, bye bye staff. peerstaf is a fucking joke they degrade prisoners more than they help them.

LETS STICK THESE BASTARDS IN THE GROUND STOP MENTAL TEEN ABUSE!!!
                    - Ryan Smith

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on April 30, 2003, 04:14:00 PM

Hi Ryan, thank you for telling the truth about Pathway. There is a lot going on with Pathway and the path of destruction it has been following for some time now. Please email me at http://www.straightincorporated.com (http://www.straightincorporated.com) to see what is currently being done about that program.

William (MG8)  :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Antigen on April 30, 2003, 10:45:00 PM

Greetings Ryan,
  Glad you could drop in here. Believe it or not, you are one very fortunate young man. Most of us never realized how much damage had been done to us or that there was anything we could do about it till the statute of limitations had run out for us.

  I think if you're serious about suing, you can probably find a lawyer who will take a civil case like yours on contingency. Not only might you win some money damages to recoup financial loses by your family and help ease your difficulty in playing catch-up, but it would also help others by making the truth about Pathway a matter of public record.

  I sure wish I'd come to my senses 20 years ago when I was in your shoes. Money isn't everything. But it sure would have been nice to be able to just live and go to school when I was 18 like normal kids instead of working for minimum wage and landing up as a single mother.
 

I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2003, 10:53:00 PM

"heres the bottom line my mind was fucked in that place i should sue for mentally scarring my teenage years."

Amen to that Ryan,

You should sue the hell out of them MIND RAPISTS, and if you can get others to come forward and tell their stories and bare witness to the atrocities that happened to you, that's even better. They (PFC) can't hide too well and their defense is weak when a group comes at them whom they abused. I think you are courageous, and I think these web sites will help you gain all the evidence you need as well..

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2003, 12:07:00 PM

Dear Ryan, were you in Indiana or Southfield. I am just wondering how to find out about their financial (Pathway) status.  Since its non-profit isn't that information public?  I don't know if the building is donated but they don't serve any meals and all the cleaning is done by clients. Plus most all the clients are gone during the day to school or work.  So what are people paying for?

Title: My Story
Post by: butternationalist on May 01, 2003, 10:15:00 PM

I WAS IN THE MICHIGAN PROGRAM. u? IM PRETTY SURE THAT THEY TAKE ALL THE MONEY MADE AND IT GOES INTO THEIR WALLETS. THEY DEFINETLY DIDNT SPEND ANY MONEY ON KEEPING THE BUILDING IN GOOD SHAPE.
** NEW INFORMATION REGARDING PATHWAY MICHIGAN**
     SAY HELLO TO THE PFC INCENTIVE PROGRAM!! THATS RIGHT FOLKS!!! IF YOU REFER OTHER PARENTS TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PATHWAY AND THEY STAY FOR OVER TWO WEEKS YOU GET $1,000 IN A CHECK! HOW HEALTHY IS THAT?!? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE OR LEGAL FOR A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION?? HERES ANOTHER THOUGHT, THIS COMPANY(CULT)IS MORE CORRUPT THAN A GANG OF NEWCOMERS AFTER INTAKE LOL GOTTA LAUGH TO KEEP FROM CRYING THEY SAY. -SMITH

Title: My Story
Post by: abreaction on May 02, 2003, 11:53:00 AM

If you can, tell about some things the oldcomers did and the peerstaff. There are people from Pathway now watching this website.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2003, 02:49:00 PM

How long have they been asking people to donate real estate to them? Since when is pathway in the wilderness? Does anybody know Kathy Row?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2003, 03:16:00 PM

Kathy Row is Program Director.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2003, 03:20:00 PM

Is Kathy Row a counseling professional?

Title: My Story
Post by: SurvivorEMSR on May 02, 2003, 03:23:00 PM

Hey. What's up Ryan. I didn't even know you knew about this site. You know I support you and your point of view. Give me a call. You know the number.

Ed

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2003, 07:24:00 PM

Dear Metal,
I'm wondering why you put down another person for not using a name.  I'm sure your mother did not name you Metal God.  So let me get this straight, (no pun intended) a person who had success at PFC is just brainwashed?  Do you think that maybe you could be a little jealous? The reason I'm not putting my name here is because I don't want people to know that I was in treatment.  Did you ever think that you should not put other people's names that went through treatment on this web-site, some people want to move on and forget about certain things before and during treatment?  Before you start reminising about your days in treatment, can you have respect for the other people and not throw around our names?

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 04, 2003, 09:11:00 PM

Well, there's no need to bring my mother into this. I have posted before about my name and search engines. The correllation there is that if you put metalgod8 in the search engine, you can see who I am. I would think that most people who are still in treatment in Pathway do not and or are not allowed to go to this site. I have never named anybody that is a Pathway client. How could I? Considering the fact that I was in a different program many years ago, even before Pathway was a program. Not one person that has been named by me or anyone else for that matter has called me and said anything negative about it. There is one person who did wig out a couple months ago about their name being mentioned, but they had mentioned their name many times themselves on this and other sites before I did.
If you are not saying your name, then that is obviously your choice. If you don't say who you are then how would anyone know if they posted your name? If I haven't posted your name, then how could this be your problem? I have posted my email address in this forum and others. People who are offended and want their names removed from my posts are more than welcome to tell me and I'll do some editing. I doubt if I would ever be jealous of a person who was systematically brainwashed and abused. How you would think that to be a reality is, in my opinion, unfounded.
I would be more inclined to continue my efforts to stop the abuses and brainwashings that are still going on right now.
Who did I put down for not giving their name? If you don't want to say publicly, there's always the email or private message option.

MG8 :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2003, 10:33:00 PM

Well Metal, I have read my name on this site, actually someone that I know told me to check it out because I was mentioned.  It seems to me like you are assuming that Pathway can't help anyone, that is pretty closed minded thinking.  It also seems like the people on this site have a problem  with people who decide that their lives are better without alcohol and other drugs, including cigarettes.  Again, that seems pretty closed minded.  Just because I see treatment and A.A. as a  positive thing in my life does not make me brain washed.  I am too smart for that.  You know I took a trip to Utah to help care for some animals?  Until then, I had never even been on an airplane.  Pathway made that happen.  It did not seem like abuse to me.  Maybe you should check out Pathway and not assume that it is the same program that you went through.  But then again, what would you do all day?

Title: My Story
Post by: Antigen on May 04, 2003, 11:23:00 PM

Quote

Maybe you should check out Pathway and not assume that it is the same program that you went through.

Why should I believe you over the many people who have given details showing a great deal of similarity between the Program today and the way it was 20 years ago?

You just can't make this stuff up, friend. Even the justifications and lingo are the same today as they were even 30 years ago when Art Barker put on this song and dance in Ft. Lauderdale. Hell, even the songs are the same.

What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 05, 2003, 12:12:00 AM

Okay, being proud of your treatment is fine, too. I was proud of mine back then as well. In some strange sense of ways maybe I still am proud of that. I mean, after all, I held my urine for 3 days since I couldn't seem to let it out while someone was holding my beltloop and/or standing right behind me, or watching me... I truly believe that I would have lived, stayed out of jail and still been sane without all the brainwashing and abusive treatment me and thousands of others received there in straight inc. You were a client of "the proud straight, inc parent owned" spinoff called Pathway. As you were on first phase, were you ever expected to do any of the following?:
 "share your feelings" to a particular group in any certain way, recite certain steps, rules, procedures from memory, write MI's or participate in any other behavior modification activities in order to progress in your particular case? Did you ever tell that person relating "love ya so and so"? Do you really love them? Would lay down your life for them? Hmm, I know, you were too smart to fall into that trap...BUT! Pathway has phases, so how did you "move on"? Relax, it's ok. In my opinion, unless you faked it the whole time, you were brainwashed.
 You have yet to mention your name here, so I am assuming that you are either afraid, paranoid, or that you have some other good reason to remain mysterious. Regardless of that, I do not chastise people for not smoking, drinking or doing drugs. Whatever works for you is just that, whatever works for you. It's your life to live. If you abstain, you'll probably live longer, who knows? George Burns smoked cigars for eons and lived for eons too!  :smokin:  

[ This Message was edited by: metalgod8 on 2003-05-04 21:24 ]

Title: My Story
Post by: SurvivorEMSR on May 05, 2003, 03:19:00 PM

Hey anonymous, how's life as peerstaff? Do they still have you running groups by yourself? Do you stilll have to lie on group sheets? Are you still trying to convince vulnerable kids that they are chemically dependent when they are obviously not? Still intaking kids for smoking marijuana four times? You yourself have admitted to me that PFC does some fucked up things. How can you say Straight and Pathway aren't almost exactly the same? You know what went on there. Shit, we were told in groups that Pathway came from Straight. Were we ever told the reasons why Straight was shut down? Were we ever told that Straight was shut down for the same things that Pathway does today? I think it's you that needs to get honest buddy. Give me a call sometime and we'll talk. I miss our discussions.

Ed

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 04:58:00 PM

Are there people out there getting worried?

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On 2003-05-04 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dear Metal,

I'm wondering why you put down another person for not using a name.  I'm sure your mother did not name you Metal God.  So let me get this straight, (no pun intended) a person who had success at PFC is just brainwashed?  Do you think that maybe you could be a little jealous? The reason I'm not putting my name here is because I don't want people to know that I was in treatment.  Did you ever think that you should not put other people's names that went through treatment on this web-site, some people want to move on and forget about certain things before and during treatment?  Before you start reminiscing about your days in treatment, can you have respect for the other people and not throw around our names? "

You were programmed to  think it was a success.
If you are proud of it than what's the big deal? You were a kid anyway.  And as far as the forgetting goes... Well you'll never forget. You are not capable. You'll just repress it for a good ten years or so. Then start wondering why you are so immature and screwed up when you are supposed to be grown up yourself. And the shame that you feel about what they did to you and what they made you do to others will stick with you. It's called verbal, emotional and physical ABUSE. Face it, that place fucks with you. The sooner you can realize that, the sooner you can grow up. You are living in shame of being somewhere that was not your fault in the first place. You were a victim. You need to come to terms with that.

And BTW-- No-one asked us to have this little reunion here for survivors. We just are here.  This web-site is not for reminiscing, that?s way to casual a term. It?s for connecting with people you were repressed with. Not a high school reunion. Most of us were forced to go, some carried out of our own houses, others were literally drugged to get them there! We had no human rights.
There is only the pride I have for living through it all.
 Pathway was not treatment. It was and is documented torture. Food and sleep deprivation? Unauthorized restraint by non-professionals? Not reporting sexual confessions sounding like rape, or the body carvings? Those people are not licensed to run asylums that they create the clients for themselves!!! To think what goes on there is okay ON ANY LEVEL is lying to yourself. Pathway IS Straight!  

P.S.  Jealous? Where did you come up with that retort? That's doubtful.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 05:12:00 PM

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On 2003-05-02 11:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How long have they been asking people to donate real estate to them? Since when is pathway in the wilderness? Does anybody know Kathy Row?"

Yes, can anyone answer these questions?

Why does Pathway asks for real estate donations?

Is Kathy Row a licensed professional?

And since when is Pathway a wilderness program?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 06:04:00 PM

why do you want to know whether Kathy Row is a licensed professional? I would imagine she has some degree or she wouldn't be Program Director over both Southfield and Indiana Programs???But will look into.  Where are you reading that they want real estate or that they are a wilderness program??

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 06:31:00 PM

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On 2003-05-05 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"why do you want to know whether Kathy Row is a licensed professional? I would imagine she has some degree or she wouldn't be Program Director over both Southfield and Indiana Programs???

Not necessarily.

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But will look into.  Where are you reading that they want real estate or that they are a wilderness program??"

On the internet. In their adds.

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 05, 2003, 08:51:00 PM

:smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 10:52:00 PM

Man, there you go again, maybe the guy you just talked about here does not want his name on this web-site.  Don't you get it?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 11:05:00 PM

Also, why don't you call pathway and talk with the clinical director.  I know that she's the one who hooked up the trip to utah and has given many people opportunities to go there.  On pathway's web-site, it says that she has m.a.l.p.c cacI  
Again, I'm not saying that straight was good, it sounds like it was horrible, but before you totally  put straight and pathway together, why don't you actually go there and find out about it.  My stay at pathway was 14 months and I'm happier now than when I was out doing anything I could to get drugs. Can't you at least say that pathway might be different? I'm not putting my name in here because I don't want you to know who I am.  I'm not paranoid, I just like my privacy.  I don't want to e-mail you privately, I just want to do what I'm doing.

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 05, 2003, 11:32:00 PM

Well anonymous, I have Dr. Mel Riddile's permission to use his name here and anywhere else on the internet I choose to talk about him in a factual way concerning his involvement in straight inc., the straight foundation, and his training by miller newton, OOOOOOOOPS I said MILLER NEWTON. You should read up on that guy's history too, but that's your choice.
You might consider my opinion: For every positive thing a person can think of about treatment abuse, there will be hundreds of NEGATIVE things to counter it. Some of those involve death.
Do you know what a druggie stash is? What about the confidentiality rule?
MG8 :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 11:56:00 PM

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On 2003-05-05 20:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Also, why don't you call pathway and talk with the clinical director.

Like you can do that. They won't answer dittley to anyone. I've called.

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I know that she's the one who hooked up the trip to utah and has given many people opportunities to go there.

Whoop- a-dee-doo.

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On pathway's web-site, it says that she has m.a.l.p.c cacI

That means absolutly nothing.  

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Again, I'm not saying that straight was good, it sounds like it was horrible, but before you totally  put straight and pathway together, why don't you actually go there and find out about it.

Don't need to. Was there already.

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 My stay at pathway was 14 months and I'm happier now than when I was out doing anything I could to get drugs.

Like what? I'd love to hear specifics. You are washed buddy.

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Can't you at least say that pathway might be different?

Sure, the name is different.

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I'm not putting my name in here because I don't want you to know who I am.  I'm not paranoid,

That is why you had to point it out.

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I just like my privacy.  I don't want to e-mail you privately, I just want to do what I'm doing."

Putting up a shitty debate?
If you are so happy then what the hell are you doing on a survivor web-site? Shouldn't you be somewhere quoting Pathway scripture and giving thanks to your higher power or something? If you are so delivered from the hands of death and drug abuse(yeah right) then why argue with us?
          The Druggies?
Don't we take you back to the "past" they brainwashed you into thinking was so dreadful?
Oh and FYI: Just about all kids experiment with drugs and alcohol. Regardless, forced abusive treatment, and thought reforming behavior modification is not the solution. When you try to control any living thing, you destroy what makes it real in the first place. It's IDENTITY. Especially children, who's minds are still developing. This "programming" destroys more than 'experimenting'. There are no such things as hard core drug users at 13, 14, 15, 16, even 17 or 18. Experimentation is normal. Sorry, but it's the truth. With the exception of the child growing up with drugs being givin to him by his parents or gaurdians. Still, an addict? Doubtfully. Some of the biggest dorks I know have smoked pot before, and everyone who has ever drank alcohol knows what intoxication feels like. In this day and age "legally drunk" is like one and a half drinks.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2003, 11:58:00 PM

I'm glad you got permission to use a name.  I wish everyone using this site would.  It sounds like you experienced treatment abuse, I said that I did not.  I do not consider your opinion because you have not experienced Pathway.  You don't hear me telling you that Straight was good.  I'm saying that what you describe about Straight is not what I experienced at Pathway.  Yes, I know what a stash is and I know about confidentiality.  Did you have individual therapy with a M.S.w. (I know my therapist had one)every week?  Did you have family therapy every other week?  Did you go to out-door ropes course with the entire group? Did you go to Utah for 5 days and help out animals?  and so on.  You seem to pick out selective things to respond back to.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 12:02:00 AM

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On 2003-05-05 19:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Man, there you go again, maybe the guy you just talked about here does not want his name on this web-site.  Don't you get it?  "

Oh Shit! NO TALKING BEHIND BACKS! Right?
To bad.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 12:06:00 AM

Extra permissions is the big change? HOW ABOUT THE FACT THOSE KIDS DIDN'T NEED TREATMENT TO BEGIN WITH? :flame:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 12:08:00 AM

right on

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 06, 2003, 02:26:00 AM

Just for the record, you don't have to give your real name, there are "screen names" that are available, you just have to be creative.
I would like to ask again, $30,000 plus fundraising projects to get you off drugs? If that is not abuse, then what is? My parents paid $3,000 plus fundraising projects. Oops, I correllated pathway to straight, inc again. Fundraising is common among NONPROFITS. How do you figure $30,000 for a standard intake and program is NONPROFIT? LOL....
No, I never went to UTAH while in straight, inc. We were kept in a warehouse 12-18 hours a day 7 days a week on first phase. No sunlight, no music, no reading, no schooling, no scores of other things people like humans normally do. Every day of the week, I take care of 6 kids, a wife, 2 chickens, 10 cats, a rabbit, an occasional bird, stray dog, even a goat once. So anyway, I do not have to go to UT to do that.
Please explain what all those letters mean after those people's names. I can, if so inclined, get all kinds of fancy letters off the internet or other mail order catalogue, so those letters next to those names are nothing more than letters to me. The entire group in VA straight, inc during my treatment never went outside together EXCEPT once, a fire drill. It was really amazing how all those oldcomers stood around the group of newcomers like cowboys herding sheep.
Were you allowed to listen to music on your first phase there? Were you hosted out at a host home, or foster home? That particular type of treatment is illegal in several states. Confidentiality rules are also illegal.
As far as family therapy, newcomers in straight, inc. never went home until staff promoted them to 2nd phase.
Did you write MI's? Did you get strip searched at intake time? Are graduates allowed to mingle with the first phasers?
Time for your answers now.
 I think you will eventually see how pathway is strikingly similar to straight, inc.
Thank you.
MG8 :smokin:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 10:17:00 AM

Kathy Row has a Masters in Guidance and Counseling from Eastern Michigan University. A Bachelors from Central Michigan University in Public Health and Psychology. Since she has been at Pathway ,more have graduated than when that egotistical Robinson was there. Still, there is a lot that needs to change.  Arming newcomers is horrible.  Making them ask to move and making them have the door open 6 inches when the are urinating ,defecating is horrendous. The "confrontational therapy" only makes them feel more guilty,shamed and powerless. The three peerstaff are a joke. Hopefully if they read this site they will change things before the law suits start!!!!

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 11:02:00 AM

::puke::

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 11:36:00 AM

Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD)
 That which does not kill us, strengthens us.  


What is Oppositional Defiance Disorder? (ODD)
In my words, it's when a child cannot seem to control his anger or frustration, even over what seems simple or trivial to others. He (or she) will often react in negative or violent ways to his own feelings.

How does the doctor know it's Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD)?
The doctor will refer the patient to a psychiatrist who finds out if the child frequently shows four or more of the following behaviors or signs of the disorder:

Arguing with adults.
Losing temper.
Angry or resenful of others.
Actively defies adults requests or rules.
Negative attitude.
Blames others for their own mistakes or misbehavior.
Seems touchy or easily annoyed by others.
Deliberately annoys others.
Acts spiteful or vindictive.

What can be done to treat Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD)?
Patients are usually placed in therapy with a psychologist or liscenced clinical social worker. The parents (or guardians) are taught how to react better to the childs difficult behavior. This is called behavior modification therapy. Beyond this not much can be done for children directly. An older child will sometimes need to be sent to a special school for a year or two if the behavior doesn't improve or gets worse. Medication is only given if the child has some other difficulty along with the ODD. Some of these expected problems are: depression, hyperactivity, addictions, compulsiveness, and an extreme anti-social personality. Individualized Education Plans (IEPs) can be done at the schools to offer special programs when learning problems are present also.
__________________________________________________
 

ODD is the description of a behavior that is normal in the fundamental development of any child's adolescence. The above is copied from a web-site. Obviously they don't think correct spelling is very important, just persecuting and imprisoning children.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 11:54:00 AM

Anyone remember watching that movie NOT MY KID? It was an eighties movie.

Here's a web-site!
 http://www.notmykid.org (http://www.notmykid.org)
Looks like a recruiting method to me.
Pretty sick .

By hook or by crook... :scared:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 12:39:00 PM

trying to change a behavior, without getting at the root of why the behavior is there in the first place causes that behavior to go where?????
Central Michigan University only deals with Behavior Modification it hates anything psychoanalytic. A big part of dealing with an angry defiant child is listening to what they have to say.  And guess what, all children hate their parents at sometime.  We as adults will not deal with what we have done to our children.  I tried behavior mod ,, it did nothing.  Until I understood why I was angry, raging etc... I could not get better.  INSIGHT is needed and cannot be done by anyone else.  Diagnosis's were made to get reimbursement from insurances.  "mental illness"  is caused from our perception, and abuse from our childhood.  The amount of mental illness compares to how much abuse we had.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 12:43:00 PM

yep

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 01:01:00 PM

All those BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION AND THOUGHT REFORM programs do is buy the parents time at their own children's expense. Literally.

Screwing up those kids like that only means one thing:

MESSED-UP ADULTS WITH PTSD, BPD AND ON...

Who don't have the skills to grow up. They end up spending years in therapy trying to overcome the trauma and sometimes don't succeed. It truly is heartbreaking. ::mecry::

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 01:05:00 PM

People with REAL degrees would not go near those places with a ten foot pole and view them as poisonous.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2003, 05:02:00 PM

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On 2003-05-06 08:02:00, Anonymous wrote:



KATHY ROW has no REAL degree and is a CROOK  





LORETTA KRION IS A PSCHOLOGIST WITH THE BARE MINIMUM OF A DEGREE. SHE SPECIALIZES IN INTAKES.





MR. MARK DESKOVITZ is a Limited Licensed Psychologist in the State of Michigan. THAT'S LOVELY ISN'T IT? What this means is that he cannot diagnose patients.

Between the three of them, I wonder how many illegal things they've done in their work?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2003, 05:59:00 PM

Is all of that true?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2003, 06:36:00 PM

Yes, and for all of you guys that don't believe Pathway IS Straight; Helen Gowanny, a Pathway founder, had been the registered agent for Straight-Detroit. PFC is 15 miles from where Straight Detroit was. Don't you know all this? Its facts.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2003, 03:43:00 PM

Who is taking you seriously?  It is obvious you do not know these people that you are lying about.  Why don't you call Pathway and ask to talk to the clinical director about all these things.  Then let us know real information right from the people you are slandering.  Then I will believe it.  You seem to know so much about Pathway, you must know the number, get back to us.  Or do you really not want to know the truth?

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2003, 04:54:00 PM

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On 2003-05-10 12:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who is taking you seriously?  It is obvious you do not know these people that you are lying about.  Why don't you call Pathway and ask to talk to the clinical director about all these things.  Then let us know real information right from the people you are slandering.  Then I will believe it.  You seem to know so much about Pathway, you must know the number, get back to us.  Or do you really not want to know the truth?"

EVERYTHING That I wrote is true. I don't need to know them to know EXACTLY what those degrees mean. So shut the hell up!

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2003, 04:59:00 PM

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On 2003-05-06 08:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

":flame: ::puke::  

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um yeah, all that is true.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2003, 05:00:00 PM

If that info isn't true, then update your web-page idiots!

Title: My Story
Post by: Antigen on May 12, 2003, 11:05:00 AM

Ok, please, any of you people who are currently affiliated with PFC please answer me this.

Why? Why should I believe you when you say PFC is nothing like Straight, Inc. when there are so many people coming forward and describing Straight to the T? Why should I not believe the person who said they were in Group when Straight became Pathway? Why should anyone believe you? After all, we all have no good reason to make this shit up.

You, on the other hand, may be criminally liable if what we're saying is true. 20 years in a cage is a damned good reason to lie, don't you think?

So tell me, please, why should I believe you who profess your innocence over these people who have no good reason to spend time and energy on this unless what they're saying is true?
 

A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
Ludwig Von Mises

Title: My Story
Post by: butternationalist on May 12, 2003, 09:42:00 PM

:flame:
         So it came upon me today.and i figured that i would try and explain this. i had a conversation with a pathway graduate two nights ago and i was asked numerous times why i decided to write my 10 cents on what happened there and why i made them look so bad.well at first i listened to what he said and agreed that there were some things that did good. but allow me to stress the slim number of things that did me good. i was forced to grow up. and when i got out i learned you have tobe careful about who you trust. You have no choice but to grow up, you hadto learn that some battles you cant win when youre smack dab in the situation at hand but whenyou have risen above the lowlife scum idea to lie to impressionable kids to wrap them around your finger and bullshit these kids telling them that you wont survive if you leave this place, you need us, your staff, your group, your structure. tell me what the difference there is between bitching and moaning in a jail cell, and bitching and moaning in a group of 30 kids who most of them are concerned with how theyre gonna get out themselves. i am so pissed off at pathway and thier little fucking brainwashee militia so for anyone who knows me from pfc that still supports that hellhole then dont come talking to me how i live my life. I dont bother you. and if you dont like the way i am dont fucking call me look at me or speak my name. and for anyone from pathway reads this two simple words used on me constantly in my 16 month program.....GET HONEST!pricks....

Title: My Story
Post by: butternationalist on May 12, 2003, 09:45:00 PM

try and tell me my counsoler cared about me! the son of a bitch used to fall asleep in my individal sessions

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2003, 06:55:00 PM

Butternationalist were you in the Indy or Mich
program. :???:

Title: My Story
Post by: butternationalist on May 14, 2003, 11:54:00 AM

I WAS IN MICHIGAN U? :wave:

Title: My Story
Post by: SurvivorEMSR on May 16, 2003, 11:32:00 AM

Right on Smith. EMSR

Title: My Story
Post by: a concerned parent on May 17, 2003, 10:44:00 PM

They are running a scam at the expense of children... So is Pathway.



 See Carey's Story on Teen Help:

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"I believe if anyone has information about abuse then it should be reported to the proper authorites first and it should be done now, then if the proper authorities don't listen it should be taken to the news media."

If a fact is a fact it will be the same fact in court.  

PFC- Can't hide forever.





[ This Message was edited by: a concerned parent on 2003-05-19 15:07 ]

Title: My Story
Post by: METALGOD8 on May 18, 2003, 03:11:00 AM

Well, I know that Betty Sembler and the DFAF forum got upset last year to the point where they took their forum off of the web temporarily, deleted all of our rants and then set it up to suit themselves and nobody else. There's one guy that posts once a month there that loses a friend to drugs each month. Hmmm, that wouldn't be a DFAF character would it?
Well, be careful and stay on top of things, these guys and gals are really persistent in having their way with us. They even threatened to sue people if media was involved.  Hopefully these programs won't be around much longer.

MG8

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2003, 10:26:00 PM

ok, my name is uhhhhh leather feet

Title: My Story
Post by: nakid2003 on June 05, 2003, 03:15:00 AM

"DEAR CD,

I WANT TO SAY HOW GLAD I AM TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE FOUND SOME OF THESE GREAT INSIGHTS ABOUT YOURSELVE. I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I TO AM A GRADUATE OF PATHWAY FAMILY CENTER. I WAS VERY MUCH IN THOSE SAME SHOES I FELT HOPELESS REGARDING THE THE PROBLEMS OF MY LIFE. I KNOW NOW THAT THE SUPPORT THAT I ALWAYS SOUGHT IS THERE OR A PHONE CALL AWAY. WITH OUR DISEASE CUNNING AND POWERFUL WE NEED NEVER FALL BACK TO OUR ACTIVE ADDICTION. WE LIKE OTHERS MAY DIE AND BE JUST ANOTHER NUMBER IN THAT LIST. STAY CLEAN GO TO MEETINGS AND OUR DREAMS WILL COME TRUE."


PROUD GRADUATE"

Anyone (not dissin' anyone who doesnt go to meetings, it just means you have decided its not for you) in their right fucken mind who is in recovery knows that it has nothing to do with rehab. it may have been a good start to get clean, but i went to rehab and paid them 30 to 50 grand at pathway just to find out that i can go to 12 step meetings and get much more than they will ever give me for FREE!!!  so i dont get how you could be in such a supportive stance on a fucked up place like that esspecially if you have been through that hell hole

chris

"The Libertarian Party is a coalition of those who hold dear the economic freedoms championed by conservatives, yet abandoned by Republicans, and the civil freedoms championed by liberals, yet abandoned by Democrats."


--Rick Root

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Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2004, 04:36:00 PM

Ryan Smith, i don't need to tell you this but i will anyway. You are a fucking Doosh bag.
-Tony
:wave:

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2004, 02:30:00 PM

You KNOW what these degrees mean? You are too stupid to earn a degree let alone bash a professional with a degree and license. A Master's in Psychology means that you cannot diagnose patients? Good thing the people at PFC are not as smart as you, then everyone would be in real trouble.

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2004, 12:25:00 PM

Row got a Masters in psychology from CMU, they ONLY deal with behavioral, cognitive therapy which doesn't really help people in the long run.  and no, you cannot diagnose any disease unless you are a doctor

Title: My Story
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2004, 02:00:00 PM

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On 2004-04-21 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Row got a Masters in psychology from CMU, they ONLY deal with behavioral, cognitive therapy which doesn't really help people in the long run.  and no, you cannot diagnose any disease unless you are a doctor"

It seems the CMU was a psychoanalytic school for many years and has many psychodynamic facilty.

Also, there is a wealth of empirical research which suggests long term gain with Cognitive-behavioral treatment (over 10 years).

And YES, you can diagnose clients with a Master's degree. As long as a professional is licecnsed, they can diagnose patients.

It is truly ashame if people have had bad experieinces with Pathway, but trashing people with weak arguments about their credentials seems pointless. It makes everyone think that the people who are complaining about Pathway are just looney and they will not be taken seriously. If the arguemnts were more rational and made sense, people may actually listen.