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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 28, 2006, 01:08:54 PM
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Can anyone tell me why there are so many therapeutic facilities in Utah and Montana, and very little to choose from in the Eastern US? It seems a little unusual that I must trave thousands of miles to find a suitable treatment program for a troubled teen.
Regards,
Bill
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To skirt existing child abuse laws and other types of regulation and restriction. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it?
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Because those are the places where they can operate with no oversight whatsoever. Basically they can do whatever they want and there are no laws or regulations to get in the way of their "treatment" for kids. That's precisely why kids there end up dead so often.
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Backwater hellholes with no economies and corrupt authorities?
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Because Utah is a place where a program owner can abuse kids BADLY and CRIMINALLY---like Cheryl Sudweeks did at Whitmore Academy---and she gets a "plea bargain deal" where she only has to plea guilty to "attempted hazing."
Still wanna send your kiddo to some facility in Utah, do you?
Why don't you get the kid some "help" locally and keep him/her at home and be a parent?
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Take a close look at the laws & regulations of various states and you will some important differences that might explain a few things.
"Programs," as discussed on this forum, usually include wilderness programs as well as RTC and TBS residential programs. Some states have little or no regulation of any of them, others regulate one type of program more than the others, and most states make a clear regulatory distinction between residential "treatment facilities" and "schools," although in practice that distinction may be meaningless.
A good rule of thumb might be to assess the likelihood of criminal convictions or of winning a lawsuit if the worst possible nightmare occurred. States where that is least likely is where you will find more programs.
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A good rule of thumb might be to assess the likelihood of criminal convictions or of winning a lawsuit if the worst possible nightmare occurred. States where that is least likely is where you will find more programs.
You win.
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To skirt existing child abuse laws and other types of regulation and restriction. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it?
Have you ever been to Utah or Montana? There is nothing there. The few lonely people that live there spent too much time in the hot sun. It baked their already feeble minds into thinking up a new industry to force some kids to visit and keep them company. Since there is nothing there but barren desert, they sold the desert as a psychological tool.
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To skirt existing child abuse laws and other types of regulation and restriction. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it?
Have you ever been to Utah or Montana? There is nothing there. The few lonely people that live there spent too much time in the hot sun. It baked their already feeble minds into thinking up a new industry to force some kids to visit and keep them company. Since there is nothing there but barren desert, they sold the desert as a psychological tool.
Unfortunately, both. Got caught in a snowstorm driving in Utah, and never saw the ground without snow in Montana so I will take your word for it about that heat. :P
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In the global scheme of things, rural Utah has been shut down as the Federal gov gobbles up all of Utah's land and resources. The Feds then shut the land down which breaks the local economy. I live in a small town (800) that used to have good paying jobs, now Turn-About Ranch (TAR) and the gov are about the only employers left.
As far as Utah goes, Mormonism is rampant. Here are some excerpts of info requested by UK child protective services that I provided based on my formal complaints against TAR:
The Mormon culture includes rampant child sexual abuse, male dominance, submissive females and polygamous relationships (it's not just Warren Jeffs). The Utah social system does not work around laws or morals of rights and wrongs, rather, its priorities are connections to the Church and the family (all families are inter-related due to polygamy and Utah's past isolation from non-Mormons).
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No action was ever taken against Wayne other than a verbal reprimand by TAR. I discovered his social connections to all three agencies. The state licensing woman's husband worked for the same corporation (Aspen Education Group) at a different facility, the child protective service woman was the TAR Director's cousin, and Wayne worked undercover for the Sheriff.
The only law enforcement or justice in Utah is the CHURCH and the FAMILY! These take priorities over federal or state laws ALWAYS!
To read all of my comments see the last post in this thread on TAR:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=7205&start=15 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=7205&start=15)
Toni
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It seems a little unusual that I must trave thousands of miles to find a suitable treatment program for a troubled teen.
Please pay attention to what you can read on these boards. These treatment programs are not suitable. They are underregulated, inconsistent, dangerous facilities, deliberately set up in states where they have to jump through the fewest legal hoops.
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Julie
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Bill, there aren't that many programs in Montana. There are quite a few in Maine, Vermont, the Carolinas, etc. All states with a very high degree of regulation.
Can anyone tell me why there are so many therapeutic facilities in Utah and Montana, and very little to choose from in the Eastern US? It seems a little unusual that I must trave thousands of miles to find a suitable treatment program for a troubled teen.
Regards,
Bill
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(http://http://www.missoulanews.com/photos/16/0524feature3.jpg)
"According to officials at the Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS), their office has received many calls over the years from concerned parents questioning the safety and effectiveness of various therapeutic and behavior modification programs in Montana."
"Teen behavior modification, therapeutic schools and wilderness therapy programs are big business in Western Montana. An estimated 1,200 children are enrolled in them. Some smaller programs charge nearly double Spring Creek?s monthly tuition of approximately $3,500. Spring Creek alone grosses close to $20 million annually, and a Spring Creek lobbyist claimed during the last legislative session that the industry generates revenues in excess of $40 million annually in Montana. "
"State Rep. Paul Clark, D-Trout Creek, owner and operator of his own teen program called Galena Ridge Academy, called on industry representatives to work on an alternative bill to SB 101. What resulted was House Bill 628. The difference between the two bills is that SB 101 put oversight in the hands of DPHHS and HB 628 puts oversight in the hands of the state Department of Labor and Industry and creates a five-member, governor-appointed board to explore appropriate regulation of the industry. The board, not yet seated, will consist of two citizens and three representatives of the industry."
http://www.missoulanews.com/News/News.asp?no=4970 (http://www.missoulanews.com/News/News.asp?no=4970)
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This is another example of the mentality there.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/03/kidna ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/03/kidnapped.bride.ap/index.html)
Parents kidnap bride to be to keep her from getting married.
SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- The parents of a bride-to-be told their daughter they were taking her on a shopping trip, but then drove to Colorado and kept her there until she missed the nuptials, officials said.
Lemuel and Julia Redd have been charged with second-degree felony kidnapping. Utah County Attorney Kay Bryson said Tuesday he met with the couple's daughter, Julianna, and her now-husband Perry Myers before charging the parents.
"I've never had a case quite like this," Bryson said. "It is strange that parents would go to that extent to keep an adult daughter from marrying the man that she had chosen to marry."
The Redds told their 21-year-old daughter they were taking her on a shopping trip August 4 and then drove 240 miles from Provo to Grand Junction, Colorado, according to Provo police Capt. Rick Healey. Myers, 23, called police when his bride didn't attend a pre-wedding dinner with his parents that night.
The Redds spent the night in Colorado and drove back to Provo, about 40 miles south of Salt Lake City, the next day, Healey said. They arrived after the young couple was supposed to have been married in a ceremony that day at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Temple in Salt Lake City.
The couple, both students at Brigham Young University, were married in the temple on August 8, Myers said. They are expecting their first child in May.
The Redds didn't want their daughter to get married, but the bride has been reluctant to say what happened on the drive. Myers said he and his wife were not discussing details of the car ride but said her parents' objections were not about him.
"It really has nothing to do a lot with me. It really is some issues with the family," he said.
Bryson said after reviewing the police investigation it was clear a crime was committed. Charges were filed Friday.
Lemuel, 59, and Julia Redd, 56, are scheduled to make an initial court appearance October 26. If convicted, the Redds could face one to 15 years in prison.
A call made to a listing for Lemuel H. Redd at the address in Monticello, Utah, listed in court documents went unanswered Tuesday. No attorney for the Redds is listed in court documents and it couldn't immediately be determined if they had legal representation.
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I happen to be MORMON - and most of the 12,500,000 Mormons worldwide are not even aware of the teen programs in Utah. As for polygamy - it isn't practices by the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints.
I think the teen industry is more about MONEY than anything else. In fact the entire Psych industry is more about MONEY. Bashing an entire religious group because a handful of people are involved in the teen industry is unreasonable.
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Mormon theology.
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Great vid. You can tell in the narrator's voice: "These people really believe this shit?"
I don't get it either, Mr. Narrator.
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Nobody has posted on this thread for a while, but if anyone is still following this, I have a question:
If Utah/Montana schools are bad for the reasons listed in the previous posts, are East coast school decent because they are regulated better? Or are they still bad? Obviously there are going to be bad ones in whatever area someone might talk about, but are the East coast ones better on average?
By the way, it is really weird, but the Struggling Teens company that refers kids to various programs is just down the hall from me! Sometimes when I'm walking down the hall I stop and listen to the stuff they're saying to parents, which seems to usually be crap.
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No, no, no. While 'some' programs on the E coast are licensed (probably fewer than Utah), you have some Mavericks that "refuse" to be licensed and the lame ass regulatory agencies don't take them to task.
Utah programs are usually licensed these days, but regulations are rarely enforced. DHR advertises wilderness programs on their website.
Montana. Hmmm, well they got a State Rep there who owns a couple of programs and provides "therapy" without a license. Under the Dept of Labor, he's setting Montana up to be self-regulatin'.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ter#217764 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=217764&highlight=foster#217764)
You'll find programs operating as Foster Homes in the W. Haven't seen that on the E coast yet.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ght=foster (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=16940&highlight=foster)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ght=foster (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=17537&highlight=foster)
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No, no, no. While 'some' programs on the E coast are licensed (probably fewer than Utah), you have some Mavericks that "refuse" to be licensed and the lame ass regulatory agencies don't take them to task.
Utah programs are usually licensed these days, but regulations are rarely enforced. DHR advertises wilderness programs on their website.
Are these licences state ones? eg run by the dept or human services or its eq? What can be done if a programme refuses to be licenced by the state? Can it be shut down?
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Are these licences state ones? eg run by the dept or human services or its eq? What can be done if a programme refuses to be licenced by the state? Can it be shut down?
DHR's Office of Regulatory Services in Ga received ample documentation to show that HLA was a TBS, and should be licensed.
ORS's attorney met with HLA's attorney who allegedly told them that no "therapy" ocurred at HLA, that they were a private boarding school.
ORS disregarded the information they'd received and apparently didn't even bother to look at HLA's website and promotional materials, much less require them to defend their claim.
While HLA's wilderness program was required to be licensed, HLA remained unlicensed, which is now under investigation again.
Academy at Swift River? I don't know the details, but they remain unlicensed and claim also to be a boarding school. Proud member of NATSAP.
Programs operating as Boarding Schools are exempt, considered private corporations with all the rights that entails. It is very difficult for regulators to gain access to the facility, even when abuse is suspected. Once licensed, they fall under the regulators jurisdiction and they can go in anytime to investigate a complaint.
Yes, regulators can shut down a program or facility, but the situation or conditions has to be pretty horrific. Take for instance Star Ranch RTC in Tx. A child died of suffocation due to restraint. The state continued to place foster kids until a second child died due to a accident a few months later. At that time DFPS revoked their license. The owner planned to request an Administrative Review, last I heard. Their website states its "under construction". http://www.starranch.org/ (http://www.starranch.org/)
http://www.isaccorp.org/starranch/star- ... 17.06.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/starranch/star-ranch.06.17.06.html)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=12953&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
What does "shutting them down" mean? Well, they can open up with a new name and it's business as usual.
Example: Woodside Trails Wilderness (Tx) shut down, reopened as Eagle Pines Academy claiming to be a private boarding school and exempt from state licensing. Proud member of NATSAP.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... t=woodside (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=6984&highlight=woodside)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... t=woodside (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=11088&highlight=woodside)
Then there is was Skyline Journey (Utah) where my neighbor, Ian August, was killed. Licensed was finally revoked. Opened a program for over 18s called Distant Drums, and after some time passed started accepting adolescents. Proud member of NATSAP.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ht=skyline (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=662&highlight=skyline)
Then there was Camp O'Neal (Ca) 4 or 5 kids killed in an accident. Bobby Christensen (Trott at the time) ordered not to run another facility for youth. Hopped to another state (Oregon) and opened Crater Lake "School". Proud member of NATSAP.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... ight=trott (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=3880&highlight=trott)
After Northstar's (Utah) license was revoked following the sadistic killing of Aaron Bacon, Sage Walk (another proud member of NATSAP) hired his killer (Eric Henry), who was under a diversion agreement and ordered not to work for any other programs "for 9 months".
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... nry#116386 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=116386&highlight=henry#116386)
That should give you an idea of how the Industry works around regulation.
There are many other similar accounts.
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CONTACT: W.T. "Tim" Ryan, State Director
Bozeman, MT (406) 585-2580
THERAPEUTIC BOARDING SCHOOL RECEIVES $6,164,000
USDA RURAL DEVELOPMENT LOAN GUARANTEE
KALISPELL, Mont., July 15, 2002- Glacier Bank of Whitefish recently received a USDA Community Facilities guaranteed loan for Summit Ranch Inc. Summit Ranch is a nonprofit, therapeutic boarding school for troubled youth. Guaranteed loan funds will be used to finance the construction of this school campus, to be located near the community of Kalispell.
"By expanding the lending capabilities of private lenders in rural areas, the Community Facilities loan guarantee program helps the lenders make and service quality loans that provide lasting community benefits," said Tim Ryan, State Director for USDA Rural Development. "This project will also create jobs and stimulate the economy by the organization's need for goods and services."
Summit Ranch is being designed for youths in crisis from ages 13-18 with psychological, social, family, and behavior problems and students whose emotional and learning problems inhibit their academic success. The facility will provide clinical and educational services within a therapeutic, special purpose boarding school.
There is an increasing recognition that children with emotional and/or behavioral problems constitute a large and growing portion of the American population.
The intention of Summit Ranch is to be affordable to average income families with troubled children and eventually expand services to families with less ability to pay through the establishment of a scholarship fund.
Through its Community Facilities Program, USDA Rural Development is striving to ensure that facilities-such as public schools, child care centers, health care clinics, police stations, and fire stations-are readily available to all rural Americans.
"The commitment of USDA Rural Development to this effort is at the core of its mission and its promise to help build stronger, more vibrant rural communities across the nation," added Ryan.
USDA Rural Development serves as the lead federal entity for rural development needs and administers financial and technical assistance through three agencies: Rural Housing Service, Rural Business-Cooperative Service and Rural Utilities Service.
For more information about assistance available through USDA Rural Development, call (406) 585-2580.
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:flame: :evil: :flame:
Next time these shitbags pull off something like that, let's find out about it before five years after the fact, eh?
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There is an increasing recognition that children with emotional and/or behavioral problems constitute a large and growing portion of the American population.
As long as they keep lowering the bar, now every kid is eligible to be sent away. The concentration camp business is HUGE in the US. Fucking Nazis all around and they don't even know it, smug pieces of shit.
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There is an increasing recognition that children with emotional and/or behavioral problems constitute a large and growing portion of the American population.
As long as they keep lowering the bar, now every kid is eligible to be sent away. The concentration camp business is HUGE in the US. Fucking Nazis all around and they don't even know it, smug pieces of shit.
Our numbers are growing too; slit the throats of the child abusers!
(I meant that metaphorically, of course.)
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Your thoughts intrigue me, and I would like to sign up for your newsletter.
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I thought I should say that I was wrong about the Strugglings Teens people down the hall. I'm not trying to troll here by not being negative, but I was criticizing them based on very little information and the assumptions I was making I don't think were accurate. They are good people there.
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That's funny! Tell us another one.
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I finished watching the story of the Mormons video kind of half-heartedly while I was working. It looked like Jesus beamed down to earth, caused the Native Americans to go full-wild on whitey, then Race Bannon buried some yellow paper in the dirt for Joe Smith to find. I refuse to believe I've got to answer to Joe Smith on Judgement Day, althought becoming a polygamous god is tempting.
Nutbags. Full-on ragin' nutbags responsible for WWASPS.
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Race Bannon
Do you have any idea what I'd give for that guy to show up right about now?
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although becoming a polygamous god is tempting.
:question: :question: :question:
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Watch the vid, Stoodoodog. It's in there.
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although becoming a polygamous god is tempting.
:question: :question: :question:
Sorry. You're the only wife for me, honey. I was just bullshitting, I mean, who would want a bunch of Mormon women anyway?