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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Troll Control on September 20, 2006, 07:36:44 PM
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Non Prophet
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posted September 20, 2006 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by WillieNelson:
Fornits has a very clear agenda- to bash all teen help programs. It is a very biased site filled with incorrect information posted by people who have no experience with the programs or whose experiences occurred several decades ago.
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This is demonstrably false on many levels. Anyone who reads the site can verify this, although I do agree that most of the posters on fornits are "anti-program," insofar as "program" means "unlicensed, unregulated, abusive behavior modification center." Fornits, however, as I stated before, is merely a free to use, unmoderated message board - not a business of any kind.
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It appears you registered for this site for the sole purpose of making sure the readers know about the recent lawsuit.
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Willie, please try to refrain from speculating about my motives for registering for this site. Your speculation is wildly inaccurate. My comment was designed to demonstrate that there is a bias to this website and how it reports "news" about the teen-help industry. I think my point was made abundantly clear, and I believe you have further demonstrated that self-same bias by posting the ignorant statement quoted above in regard to the content on fornits. You clearly have not used it as a research tool or, apparently, even taken the trouble to read the content. In this way, false premises ("Fornits has a very clear agenda- to bash all teen help programs") trump reality.
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I remind you that anyone with $50 or so can file a lawsuit. Until the merits are demonstrated by evidence at trial, it is not worth a whole lot. So-time will tell.
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Yes, Willie, I'm fully aware of that fact. Since you mention it, however, this lawsuit is simply another piece of a growing body of evidence that shows that this particular program has been operating in a fraudulent manner and has exercised gross negligence in its dealings with its attendees and their loved ones. I suppose you can understand that this lawsuit is a result of years of investigations - that are still ongoing - into this facility and its principles by quite literally a dozen different entities including CPS, IRS, FBI, DFACS among several others, including both governmental agencies and oversight committes. I suspect there will be some criminal charges as well. This is not a personal injury case brought by shylocks and ambulance chasers, Willie - this is the real deal.
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Michael Muldoon
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posted September 20, 2006 04:25 PM
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I think it is important to remember that like the parents say many of the Fornits posters are not parents themselves, the parents were never in programs like the majority of the posters on Fornits. Also it is important to undersand that many of the reactions are emotional reactions. These posters have been traumatized and want to do everythng in their power not to have someone else be traumatizd also.I think some people have to understand that more.I think some posters here lack emotional intelligence.Also, There are some parents who had kids in programs who are anti-program at least to a certain degree. How about Karen Burnett? She was a parent of a son in more than one program and is anti program to a certain extent. So, I hope I have provided some food for thought also.
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Non Prophet
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posted September 20, 2006 04:51 PM
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Also it is important to undersand that many of the reactions are emotional reactions. These posters have been traumatized and want to do everythng in their power not to have someone else be traumatizd also.
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I belive this to be a bang-on assessment of the motive of a very large segment of fornits posters.
There are also several former TBS/OBH/RTC staff members who have insight into what transpires in many of these places that fully corroborates victims' accounts - things that parents have seldom heard and almost never seen.
In order for one to appreciate fully the teen-help business, one must have a clear understanding of exactly what happens behind closed doors at some of these facilities. I've no doubt but that many of the posters on this site, if they were ever to get an unvarnished, unedited viewing of what happens to some children in the name of "helping" them, their perspectives would be greatly altered from their present paradigm.
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I have been learning about this industry since around early 04 late 03 and I have been posting for a little and I think that was my most effective post to date. I am Mikey here and Michael Muldoon on ST.i think I will change my user name to Michael Muldoon here also.
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I meant posts to date.
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Gloating's great, ain't it DJ?
You'd think having the HLA lawsuit rammed down their throats like a foot of moose cock would alert the struggling tards that something's wrong in fantasyland, but I'm not so optimistic. Maybe a few of the lurkers might twig, but the regulars are so thoroughly buried in shit that you'd need construction equipment to get them out.
But you have the chance of opening some eyes, and I suppose that makes it worth it.
I'm not posting there, though. Place gives me the fucking creeps.
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But surely they wouldn't want to deprive themselves of your experience and insights simply because you're telling them what they don't want to hear?
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Well, in any case, over at ST, it's best to fight fire with water I suppose. If you do shoot back with the insults and childish remarks that folks like WillieNelson (bad choice of name for hard-line, non-thinking, exceedingly ignorant poster-and an insult to the real Willie) hurl about will only result in a ban for you, while the site admin there will allow posters like Willie to carry on with their ad-hominem rantings.
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Anyone remember what they satd to me?
"We're just support for parents, not to hold anyone accountable".
I doubt that little slant is gonna go anywhere this time soon.
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Non Prophet
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posted September 21, 2006 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by WillieNelson:
Your position has no credibility since you lump all programs together. You have little knowledge and try to base your opinion of all programs on your experience with, at most, one program. Your site and your opinions are laughable and we can assure you that you have taken the perfectly wrong approach to communicating any message.
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Willie, your rhetoric and hyperbole are what have no credibility. Also, your broad-brush assumptions about me (and many others) couldn't be further from the truth.
Reality is that I am an educated professional holding two advanced degrees and having over a decade of experience working in and around this industry. Your knowledge, however, seems to stem from placing your child in a program. To someone like myself who takes these issues seriously and has dedicated many years to studying and seeking solutions to the obvious problems, your comments don't pass the "smell test."
Willie, I hope you understand that by spouting demonstrably false claims and personally deriding and degrading people with a differing viewpoint you erode only your own credibility, and, by extension, those who patronize this forum who generally accept the falsehoods you produce without question.
Your parochial viewpoint is not only well off the mark, it illustrates the close-mindedness, out-of-hand rejection of provable, publicly available facts and extirpation of the scientific method that is rampant in this industry. If you actually knew more about it and knew what you were talking about in regard to it, you would surely understand these obvious points.
It is precisely this type of anti-intellectualism that permeates this industry and Willie has done a wonderful job of bringing it to the forefront of the discussion (which, by the way, Willie has successfully thread-jacked from the original poster).
So, Willie, if you'd like to carry on with your factually bereft hyperbole, why not start a new thread called "I Hate Fornits" and carry on in the appropriate venue?
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Take that, WillieNelson, you little bitch. You got fucking OWNED.
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YOU GON GIT BANNED!
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Che sera sera... The fact remains that there's major ownaj going on over there.
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That's funny. You made Willie your bitch-boy.
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You think you scored points over on ST? Well, I have some land to sell you. Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.
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You think you scored points over on ST? Well, I have some land to sell you. Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.
and your kids cry. ::noway::
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You think you scored points over on ST?
I know so!(http://http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_106.gif)(http://http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_106.gif)(http://http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_106.gif)
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You think you scored points over on ST? Well, I have some land to sell you. Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.
this is none other than willie himself. straight outta nashville (no that's not a joke).
willie, you're such a bitch. i guess getting completely owned makes willie upset.
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like WillieNelson (bad choice of name for hard-line, non-thinking, exceedingly ignorant poster-and an insult to the real Willie)
Yeah. I wonder if he's TheWho over here?
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I have been learning about this industry since around early 04 late 03 and I have been posting for a little and I think that was my most effective posts to date. I am Mikey here and Michael Muldoon on ST.i think I will change my user name to Michael Muldoon here also.
Well hell, Mikey! I guess we should throw you a coming out party then?
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You think you scored points over on ST? Well, I have some land to sell you. Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.
(http://http://www.amethystrose.com/images/Cliparts/HB%20You%20Suck.jpg)
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Thanks. How about we have it outside Pure's offices.Please bring plenty of Mountain Dew and Root Beer. I would like an assortment of Pizza, White Castle hamburgers and Kentucky Fried Chicken. Never mind Bad Trip about the Kentucky Fried Chicken. Buzzkill will bring it. Everything else is on you Bad Trip.WE ARE GOING TO PARTY HARDY!Just pick me up at the closest Amtrak stop.
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You think you scored points over on ST? Well, I have some land to sell you. Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.
Non Prophet
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posted September 23, 2006 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by WillieNelson:
Katfish- I am assuming by your limited ability to use the English language that you have wandered over here from Fornits. There are many excellent residential programs for teens and reputable ECs do a lot of investigation and are very qualified to make recommendations. Parents should, of course, do their own investigation and talk to other families AND kids, if possible. Most TBSs allow parents visiting to assess a facility to speak to students privately. Many families take an approach far from "hit or miss" or "luck of the draw". Our children are the most important people in the world to us, and we do everything possible to assure a correct and safe placement if it comes to that.
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Here you go again, Willie. This response is very disappointing indeed. For a languange mangler like yourself to cast aspersions on another's very sound advice based on her application of the English language is downright entertaining.
Did I mention that your post is rife with generalizations? How do your generalizations add to the conversation, Willie?
It seems you are more angry at fornits than you are genuinely interested in helping anyone. This is a problem, Willie. I hope you recognize it as such and adjust your compass accordingly.
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Most TBSs allow parents visiting to assess a facility to speak to students privately.
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is absolutely false. MOST, "TBS's" do not, in fact, allow this at all - ever. You again show an utter lack of awareness and understanding about this industry and continue to promote falsehoods to readers.
I would suggest that readers disregard most of what ol' Willie has to say - he's too busy grinding his axe to check his facts.
I was wondering, Willie, don't they teach better values than this down in Nashville?
[ September 23, 2006, 05:39 AM: Message edited by: Non Prophet ]
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who's laughing now, willie? again, you got owned like a slave.
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I think I know Willie - seriously, I do. I recognize the ponce-like style of prose. TSW is right, Willie's the one to send a child off to be "fixed" after causing the malfunctions himself. While his child suffers for his gross lack of parenting skills, he lives la vida dolce and pats himself on the back for being a "loving and caring parent", while his child curses his name and waits for vengeance, sweet vengeance. Willie, I piss on you from a great height, to quote Celine. What can one do with such a mediocrity?
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Williw aka RandomWalk aka KareninDallas
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No, Willie's from Nashville. KarenInDallas really is from Dallas.
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Willie is from South Knoxville.
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Willie is from South Knoxville.
Nice to know. Either you must be him or you know him.
If you are Willie, I sympathisize with your situation as a Struggling Parent. I don't know why you have so much anger toward this forum or the people who express their views here. If my kid were away from home under the absolute control of total strangers, I'd be looking for every bit of information I could get about what might or might not be going on behind those closed doors and what kind of 'therapy' was really being offered there. I hope you're getting your money's worth.
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Karen in Dallas at least used to put up a better fight than Willy's lamer attacks. If it was Karen, she would be over here try to raise all manner of hell on this thread and others. Further, she loves to try and get revenge when people slam her in her own house. So Willy really was Karen in Dallas she would be over here in a flat second already trying to cause trouble.
I still laugh that no one on Struggling Turds has figured out yet which of the posting parents is stealing referrals right out from under Lon's nose.
You mean Sue? hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Oh no bub...
Not sue..
One of Lon's regular posters is the one I am talking about. Surprising what you can find out when you post a sob story on Struggling Tards.
Are you ratting her out for SnGs, thinking hes so dense he wont figure it out, or just fucking around with something ya made up?
I honestly dont know, I havent bothered going there since I got banned for talking about facts instead of telling everyone they "did the right thing".
PM me please.
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No shits and giggles here home boy. Not gonna breathe a word about it. This stuff is to prime of goodness to pass up. I am going to sit back and watch the shit hit the fan one day over on struggling tards when the fool gets outted.
Well anyway
When you mena stealing referral do you mean to a competetor or to turn them away from programs?
If its the former they'd be more likely to get sued.