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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 17, 2006, 11:50:29 PM

Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2006, 11:50:29 PM
"In conclusion, we invite the public, legislators, and critics to visit our programs. Inspect
and see for yourselves how we operate. Ask questions, talk to students and their families.
Compare the physical and emotional status of NATSAP students and the satisfaction of
our families to those in regulated public sector programs. Examine the results. Come and
see for yourselves the rich variety of innovative and successful NATSAP programs
before judging us or writing another inflammatory article or white paper based on rumor
and innuendo."  

For the full text go here  http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/ope ... tation.pdf (http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/open%20letter%20and%20invitation.pdf)


I saw we take them up on this and tour all the schools regurly and at the worst with all of us visiting the school on a regular basis they will be forced to behave and stop abusing kids.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 12:11:24 AM
I don't even know where to begin with this pile of shit.

I love how the sadistic language even shows through in a document like this, though.

However, I have a rejoinder.

An Open Response And Invitation to John L. Santa, NATSAP President, from the critics of private residential treatment programs:

FUCK YOU.
Title: list of natsap programs any near you
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 12:17:34 AM
Academy at Canyon Creek
Residential Treatment Center
Springville, UT
Ages 13-17
Coeducational  
 
Academy at Sisters
Emotional Growth Boarding School
Bend, OR
Ages 13 to 18
Girls Only  
 
Academy at Swift River
Boarding School
Cummington, MA
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Academy of the Sierras
Specialized Boarding School
Reedley, CA
Ages 13 ? 18
Coeducational  
 
Adirondack Leadership Expeditions
Wilderness Program
Saranac Lake, NY
Ages 13-17
Single Gender and Coeducational Groups  
 
Advanced Recovery Center
Transitional Independent Living Program
Delray Beach, FL
Ages 17.5 +
Coeducational  
 
Alldredge Academy
Boarding School & Wilderness Program
Davis, WV
Ages 13-18
Coeducational  
 
Alpine Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Salt Lake City, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Girls Only  
 
ANASAZI Foundation
Wilderness Program
Mesa, AZ
Ages youth (12-17), young adults (18-25)
Coeducational  
 
Ascent
Wilderness Program
Naples, ID
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Aspen Achievement Academy
Wilderness Program
Loa, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Boys and girls in single gender groups  
 
Aspen Ranch
Residential Treatment Center
Loa, UT
Ages 13 up to 18
Coeducational  
 
Auldern Academy
Supportive Boarding School
Siler City, NC
Ages 14-18
Girls only  
 
Benchmark Young Adult School
Transitional Independent Living Program and Young Adult Program
Redlands, CA
Ages 18 to 28
Coeducational  
 
Betton House
Transitional Independent Living
Scranton, PA
Ages 18-24
Coeducational  
 
Birdseye Boys Ranch
Residential Treatment Program
Spanish Fork, UT
Ages 13 to 18
Boys Only  
 
Blackwater Outdoor Experiences
Wilderness Program
Midlothian, VA
Ages 14 to 28
Coeducational  
 
Boulder Creek Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Bonners Ferry, ID
Ages 13 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Bridges Academy
Emotional Growth School
Bend, OR
Ages 14 to 17
Males Only  
 
Bromley Brook School
Emotional Growth Boarding School
Manchester Center, VT
Ages 13 - 17
Girls Only  
 
Building Bridges
Home-Based Residential Program
Thompson Falls, MT
Ages 14 to 18
Boys Only  
 
Buxmont Academy
Home-Based Residential
Pipersville, PA
Ages 12 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Caron Adolescent Residential Treatment Center
Residential Treatment Center
Wernersville, PA
Ages 13 to 19 years old
Males and Females (gender separated)  
 
Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy Expeditions
Wilderness Program
Albany, OR
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Cedar Ridge Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Roosevelt, UT
Ages 14 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Center for Change
Inpatient & Residential Treatment for Eating Disorders & Co-Exist
Orem, UT
Ages 14-17 and Adult
Girls Only  
 
Chaddock
Residential Treatment Center & Transitional Independent Living
Quincy, IL
Ages 9 - 21
Coeducational  
 
Cherry Gulch
Therapeutic Boarding School
Emmett, ID
Ages 10 - 14
Boys Only  
 
Chrysalis
Therapeutic Boarding School
Eureka, MT
Ages 13 to 18
Girls Only  
 
Clearview Horizon, Inc.
Therapeutic Boarding School
Program is Located in Montana, MT
Ages 13 to 20
Girls Only  
 
Copper Canyon Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Rimrock, AZ
Ages 13 to 17
Girls Only  
 
Copper Hills Youth Center
Residential Treatment Center
West Jordan, UT
Ages 12 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Coral Reef Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Apia, Samoa
Ages 13 - 18
Boys Only  
 
Cottonwood de Tucson
Residential Treatment Center
Tucson, AZ
Ages 13 to 18
Girls only  
 
DayBreak Behavioral Resources, LLC
Home-Based Residential Program
Flagstaff, AZ
Ages 6-17
Gender Specific Programs: Boys & Girls  
 
Discovery Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Provo, UT
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Discovery Ranch
Residential Treatment Center
Mapleton, UT
Ages 13-17
Coeducational  
 
Dragonfly Adventures
Wilderness Program & Young Adult Program, Transitional Independent Living Program
Klamath Falls, OR
Ages 12+ Wilderness; 18-24 YA/Transitional
Coeducational  
 
Duck River, Three Springs
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Nunnelly, TN
Ages 13-17
Boys Only  
 
Eagles Nest School for Boys
Emotional Growth Boarding School
Woodland Park, CO
Ages 13 - 17
Boys Only  
 
Echo Malibu Youth Treatment Center
Residential Treatment Center
Malibu, CA
Ages 12 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Echo Springs Transition Study Cente
Young Adult Program & Transitional Living
Bonners Ferry, ID
Ages 18 to 24
Coeducational  
 
Eckerd Youth Alternatives E-How-Kee
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Brooksville, FL
Ages 10-17
Coeducational  
 
Eckerd Youth Alternatives E-Sun-Alee
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Deer Lodge, TN
Ages 10-18
Coeducational  
 
Elan School
Boarding School
Poland, ME
Ages 12 to 19
Coeducational  
 
Elk Mountain Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Clark Fork, ID
Ages 13 to 18
Boys Only  
 
Elk River Wilderness Challenge
Wilderness Program
Huntsville, AL
Ages 12 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Evangel House Christian Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
St. Martinville, LA
Ages 12 - 21
Girls Only  
 
Excel Academy
Boarding School
Conroe, TX
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Explorations
Home-Based Residential Program & Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Trout Creek, MT
Ages 12 to 18 and Young Adults
Coeducational  
 
F.L. Chamberlain School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Middleboro, MA
Ages 11 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Family Foundation School
Emotional Growth School
Hancock, NY
Ages 12 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Family Life Center
Residential Treatment Center
Petaluma, CA
Ages 12 - 18
Boys Only / Girls Only  
 
Fulshear Ranch Academy
Transitional Independent Living Program & Young Adult Program
Fulshear, TX
Ages 18 - 26
Girls Only  
 
Gateway Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Salt Lake City, UT
Ages 15-17
Males Only  
 
Granite Hill School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Newport, NH
Ages 9 - 18
Boys Only  
 
Gray Wolf Ranch
Residential Treatment Center
Port Townsend, WA
Ages 14 to 25
Males Only  
 
Grove School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Madison, CT
Ages 11 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Heart Mountain New Beginnings
Home Based Residential
Powell, WY
Ages 13 to 17 (at time of admission)
Boys Only  
 
Heritage Schools
Residential Treatment Center
Provo, UT
Ages 12 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Hidden Lake Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Dahlonega, GA
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Hunter School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Romney, NH
Ages 5 to 15
Coeducational  
 
Innercept
Therapeutic Boarding School & Young Adult Program
Coeur D'Alene, ID
Ages 13-17; 18-24
Coeducational  
 
Intermountain
Residential Treatment Center
Helena, MT
Ages 4-11
Coeducational  
 
Intermountain Hospital RTC
Residential Treatment Center
Boise, ID
Ages 12 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Island View RTC
Residential Treatment Center
Syracuse, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
John Dewey Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School & College Prep
Great Barrington, MA
Ages 16 to 21
Coeducational  
 
King George School
Emotional Growth Boarding School
Sutton, VT
Ages 14 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Kolob Canyon
Residential Treatment Center
New Harmony, UT
Ages 13-17
Girls Only  
 
La Amistad
Residential Treatment Center
Maitland, FL
Ages 5 to 17, 18 and Up
Coeducational  
 
La Europa Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Murray, UT
Ages 12-17
Girls Only  
 
Life Designs
Young Adult Program
Cusick, WA
Ages 18 to 26
Coeducational  
 
Life-Line, Inc.
Home-Based Residential Treatment Program
North Salt Lake, UT
 
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational    
 
Living Well Transitions
Transitional Independent Living Program
Boulder, CO
Ages 18+
Coeducational  
 
Logan River Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Logan, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Lone Star Expeditions
Wilderness Program
Groveton, TX
Ages 13 up to 17
Single Gender Groups  
 
Menninger Clinic
Specialty Psychiatric & Behavioral Hospital
Houston, TX
Ages 13-17; 18+
Coeducational  
 
Meridell Achievement Center
Residential Treatment Center
Liberty Hill, TX
Ages 5-17
Coeducational  
 
Midnight Mountain Life Skills Training Center
Young Adult Program
Boyds, WA
Ages 18 to 24
Coeducational  
 
Mission Mountain School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Condon, MT
Ages 13 to 18
Girls Only  
 
Monarch Center for Family Healing (formerly Trailhead Wilderness School)
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Georgetown, CO
Ages 10 - 18
Coed and Single gender groups  
 
Montana Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Marion, MT
Ages 14 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Montcalm Outdoor Challenge Program
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Albion, MI
Ages 12 - 18
Boys & Girls in Single Gender Groups  
 
Montcalm School For Boys
Therapeutic Boarding School & Residential Treatment Center
Albion, MI
Ages 12 to 18; STL Program through 21
Boys only  
 
Montcalm School for Girls
Residential Treatment Center & Therapeutic Boarding School
Van Wert, OH
Ages 12 to 18
Girls only  
 
Moonridge Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Cedar City, UT
Ages 11-16
Girls Only  
 
Mount Bachelor Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Prineville, OR
Ages 14 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Mountain Homes Youth Ranch
Outdoor Therapeutic Program & Wilderness Program
Vernal, UT
Ages 12 - 17; 18-25
Coeducational  
 
National Deaf Academy, LLC
Residential Treatment Center
Mt. Dora, FL
Ages 6-17 and 18+
Coeducational  
 
New Dominion School of Maryland
Residential Treatment Center
Oldtown, MD
Ages 11 to 17
Boys Only  
 
New Dominion School of Virginia
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Dillwyn, VA
Ages 11 to 17
Male/Female separate campuses  
 
New Haven, Inc.
Residential Treatment Center
Provo, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Girls Only  
 
New Horizons For Young Women
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Orrington, ME
Ages 13 to 18
Girls Only  
 
New Leaf Academy
Boarding School
Bend, OR
Ages 10 through 15
Girls Only  
 
New Leaf Academy of North Carolina
Emotional Growth Boarding School
Hendersonville, NC
Ages 10 - 14
Girls  
 
New Lifestyles

Young Adult Program
Winchester, VA
Ages 18 - 26
Coeducational  
 
North Idaho Behavioral Health
Residential Treatment Center
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
Ages 13 - 18
Coeducational  
 
NorthStar Center
Young Adult Program
Bend, OR
Ages 17.5 to 24
Coeducational  
 
Northwest Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Bonners Ferry, ID
Ages 17
Coeducational  
 
Northwest Passages
Transitional Living Facility
Kalispell, MT
Ages 16 to 22
Girls Only  
 
Oakley School
Boarding School
Oakley, UT
Ages 14 to 19
Coeducational  
 
Odyssey Wilderness Programs
Wilderness Program
Bellingham, WA
Ages 14 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Open Sky Wilderness Therapy
Wilderness Program
Durango, CO
Ages 13 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Optimum Performance Institute
Young Adult Program
Woodland Hills, CA
Ages 17 - 25
Coeducational  
 
Our Lady of Mount Carmel
Residential Treatment Center
Gallup, NM
Ages 7 to 17
Girls Only  
 
Outback Therapeutic Expeditions
Wilderness Program
Lehi, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Paint Rock Valley
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Trenton, AL
Ages 10 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Pasadena Villa
Residential Treatment Facility
Orlando, FL
Ages 18 and above
Coeducational  
 
Passages To Recovery
Wilderness Program
Loa, UT
Ages 18 and up
Coeducational  
 
Peninsula Village
Residential Treatment Center
Louisville, TN
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Penrith Farms
Young Adult Program
Newport, WA
Ages 18 to 26
Coeducational  
 
Pine River Institute
Therapeutic Boarding School
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Ages 13-18
Coeducational  
 
Prescott House
Residential Treatment Center
Prescott, AZ
Ages 18+
Male Only  
 
Provo Canyon School
Residential Treatment Center
Orem, UT
Ages 12 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Rancho Valmora
Residential Treatment Center
Valmora, NM
Ages 12 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Red Rock Canyon School
Residential Treatment Center
St. George, UT
Ages 13 to 18
Coeducational  
 
RedCliff Ascent
Wilderness Program
Enterprise, UT
Ages 13 to 17, 18 -24
Coeducational & single gender groups  
 
Remuda Ranch Programs for Eating Disorders
Inpatient & Residential Treatment Center
Wickenburg, AZ
Ages All Ages
Females Only  
 
Ridge Creek
Therapeutic Wilderness Program
Dahlonega, GA
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Rogers Memorial Hospital - Child & Adolescent Center
Intensive Residential Treatment Center
Oconomowoc, WI
Ages 12 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Rosecrance Griffin Williamson Campus
Residential Treatment Center
Rockford, IL
Ages 12-18
Coeducational  
 
SageWalk, The Wilderness School
Wilderness Program
Redmond, OR
Ages 13 through 17
Single Sex Groups  
 
San Cristobal Ranch Academy
Young Adult Program
Taos, NM
Ages 18 to 26
Boys Only  
 
Santiam Crossing
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Scio, OR
Ages 13 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Second Nature
Wilderness Program
Duchesne, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Second Nature Blue Ridge
Wilderness Program
Clayton, GA
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Second Nature Entrada
Outdoor Therapeutic Program & Young Adult Program
St. George, UT
Ages 13-17 and 18-50
Coeducational  
 
Shortridge Academy
Boarding School
Milton, NH
Ages 14-17+
Coeducational  
 
Sky Ranch For Boys, Inc.
Boardng School
Camp Crook, SD
Ages 10 to 18
Boys Only  
 
Soltreks
Wilderness Program
Two Harbors, MN
Ages 13 to 25
Coeducational  
 
Spring Lake Ranch
Young Adult Program
Cuttingsville, VT
Ages 17 and Up
Coeducational  
 
Spring Ridge Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Spring Valley, AZ
Ages 14 to 17
Girls Only  
 
Spruce Mountain Inn
Residential Treatment Center and Young Adult Program
Plainfield, VT
Ages 17 and Up
Coeducational  
 
St. Paul's Preparatory Academy
Boarding School
Phoenix, AZ
Ages 14 - 18
Boys  
 
Star Meadows Academy at Hope Ranch
Therapeutic Boarding School
Whitefish, MT
Ages 13-17 years
Girls Only  
 
Stone Mountain School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Black Mountain, NC
Ages 11-16 @time of enrollment
Boys Only  
 
Summit Achievement
Wilderness Program
Stow, ME
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Summit Preparatory School
Therapeutic Boarding School
Kalispell, MT
Ages 14-17
Coeducational  
 
SunHawk Academy
Residential Treatment Center
St. George, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Sunrise RTC
Residential Treatment Center
Hurricane, UT
Ages 12 - 17
Girls Only  
 
SUWS Adolescent and Youth Programs
Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Shoshone, ID
Ages Youth - 11 to 13; Adolescent - 14 to 18
Coeducational  
 
SUWS of the Carolinas
Wilderness Program
Old Fort, NC
Ages 14 to 18
Coeducational; Single Gender Groups  
 
Tamarack Center
Residential Treatment Center
Spokane, WA
Ages 12-17
Coeducational  
 
Telos Residential Treatment, LLC
Residential Treatment Center
Orem, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Boys only  
 
The Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Myrtle Point, OR
Ages 12 to18
Coeducational  
 
The Cedars Academy
Therapeutic Boarding School
Bridgeville, DE
Ages 10 to 18
Coeducational  
 
The Oliverian School
Boarding/Day School
Haverhill, NH
Ages 13 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Three Rivers Montana
Wilderness Program
Belgrade, MT
Ages 13-17
Coeducational  
 
Three Springs Courtland
Residential Treatment Center
Courtland, AL
Ages 12 - 19
Boys Only  
 
Timpanogos Family Services, LLC
Residential Treatment Center
Orem, UT
Ages 12 thru 17
Girls Only  
 
Top Flight Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Mt. Pleasant, UT
Ages 13 - 17
Boys Only  
 
Transitions of Galveston Island
Young Adult Program & Transitional Independent Living Program
Galveston, TX
Ages 18 and over
Men Only  
 
True North Wilderness Program
Wilderness Program
Waitsfield, VT
Ages 14-17
Coeducational  
 
Turn-About Ranch
Residential Treatment Center
Escalante, UT
Ages 12 to 18
Coeducational  
 
Turnabout/Stillwater Academy
Home-Based Residential Program and School
South Jordan, UT
Ages 12 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Turning Winds
Therapeutic Boarding School
Troy, MT
Ages 12 - 18
Coeducational  
 
Uinta Academy
Residential Treatment Center
Wellsville, UT
Ages 12 to 17
Girls Only  
 
University Behavioral Center
Residential Treatment Center
Orlando, FL
Ages 6-17
Coeducational  
 
Valley View School
Therapeutic Boarding School
North Brookfield, MA
Ages 10 - 15 (at admission)
Males Only  
 
Villa Santa Maria
Residential Treatment Center
Cedar Crest, NM
Ages 5 to 14
Coeducational  
 
Visions Adolescent Treatment Center
Residential Treatment Center
Malibu, CA
Ages 12 - 17
Coeducational  
 
Vista, RTC
Residential Treatment Center
Magna, UT
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational  
 
Wediko NH School & Treatment Program
Residential Treatment Center
Windsor, NH
Ages 6-21
Boys Only  
Wediko NH Summer Program

Residential Treatment Center & Outdoor Therapeutic Program
Hillsboro, NH
Ages 6 - 18
Coeducational, Single Gender Groups  
 
Wendigo Lake Expeditions
Wilderness Program
South River, Ontario,
Ages 14-17
Boys Only  
 
West Ridge Academy
Residential Treatment Center
West Jordan, UT
Ages 9-18
Boys Campus and Girls Campus  
 
Wilderness Quest
Wilderness Program & Residential Treatment and Young Adult
Monticello, UT
Ages 14-17/18-28
Coeducational/Adolescent & Young Adult Groups  
 
Wilderness Treatment Center
Residential Treatment Center and Wilderness Program
Marion, MT
Ages 14 to 24
Boys Only  
 
Willow Creek School
Residential Treatment Center
Provo, UT
Ages 14-17+
Coeducational  
 
Youth Care
Residential Treatment Center
Draper, UT
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 01:01:46 AM
THAT... is WAY too fucking many.
Title: Re: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 03:28:21 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
"In conclusion, we invite the public, legislators, and critics to visit our programs. Inspect
and see for yourselves how we operate. Ask questions, talk to students and their families.


Oh really? I'd like to make a surprise visit with my Congressman to a few NATSAP programs. How many do you think would welcome us through the door to inspect the facility and talk privately with students or staff, unannounced? I can't be sure of the exact number, but it's somewhere around ZERO!!!
Title: Surprize Visit
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 03:46:00 AM
I can guarandamntee you this one will not. So you can mark it ZERO dude!


Peninsula Village
Residential Treatment Center
Louisville, TN
Ages 13 to 17
Coeducational
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 06:13:14 AM
Might be interesting just to see what would happen. Would you be turned away, or allowed to tour the facility?
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Deborah on September 18, 2006, 09:40:47 AM
Apparently Santa didn't appreciate the "Who's Watching the Kids" piece re: Montana programs, where programs self-regulate. Understandable as his program is in Montana.
John L. Santa, Ph.D. NATSAP President, Co-founder, Co-owner and Clinical Director, Montana Academy

What I am suggesting is that we as a profession must define our own measures of success and effectiveness. If we derive our own legitimate measures and are able to demonstrate effectiveness, as I am confident we can, then we have a chance of succeeding and protecting the creative psycho-social approaches we have all developed. If we wait passively to be measured by the standards imposed by governmental agencies, or compared to drug treatment and manualized treatments in terms of effect on their measures, we will fail and be absorbed into a standardized managed care world.
http://www.natsap.org/newsandmedia_pres ... y_2006.asp (http://www.natsap.org/newsandmedia_presidential_July_2006.asp)
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: MightyAardvark on September 18, 2006, 09:45:03 AM
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Title: Unannounced Visits
Post by: stoodoodog on September 18, 2006, 09:50:15 AM
I went to visit  my child when she was first incarcerated at one of the facilities listed above. After waiting for nearly half an hour in the lobby of the "rustic cabin" admissions unit, I was taken back to a clinicians office with another senior staffer. I was told NEVER to visit unannounced and that if I did want to visit I would need an appointment. I asked then to set an appointment for the following day. I was advised that appointments to visit with my child would need to be set up several weeks in advance. So as far as "surprise" visits? I concur with the Dr. above.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: ZenAgent on September 18, 2006, 11:12:38 AM
What the hell is Santa babbling about?  NATSAP is joke, it's a dues-based membership.  Instead of us going out to inspect, WHY DON"T THEY?  Not that they would find anything wrong of course, as long as your dues are up to date.  From NATSAP:

The Association is governed by an elected, volunteer Board of Directors comprised of representatives from the NATSAP membership.   Now THERE'S a trustworthy bunch.  MightyAardvark has mentioned "the fox guarding the hen house," and here's a prime example.

Programs and schools join our organization voluntarily. The process in applying for NATSAP membership includes agreement to follow the NATSAP Ethical Principles and completion of self-reports on the NATSAP Principles indicating their compliance with each principle.
You KNOW these facilities would never, ever lie.

Full NATSAP membership status requires the school or program to be in full compliance with all of our principles. Membership is renewed annually at which time each member is required to sign the NATSAP Ethical Principles, submit a copy of their current licensure and/or accreditation and submit a self-report on any new principles that may have been established in the prior year. [/color]   NATSAP is a trusting bunch of souls.  Considering the crew on the Board of Directors, no surprise there.

The National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs is not an accrediting or licensing body.    No shit.  

I'll say it again, Santa - NATSAP is a sham, as bogus as the wilderness camp outcome study.  Do you really expect people to believe NATSAP is an unbiased entity, capable of enforcing these "Ethical Principles"?  Your Board of Directors shows NATSAP is run by the programs, for the programs.  It looks impressive to have the "NATSAP Seal of Approval" at the top of a boot camp's website, but it means absolutely nothing.  Also:

"It has been allege that private residential programs treat serious emotional disorders without proper diagnosis or credentialed staff."

It has been ALLEGED...proofread, for God's sake.  You don't lend much credence to your ranting...and yeah, that's a fact, Santa, not an allegation.  We can back it up.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Deborah on September 18, 2006, 11:27:34 AM
Santa makes some wild, sweeping claims about NATSAP programs:

As member programs, we pledge to market our programs in a manner that is honest, complete and accurate in disclosure. We openly describe our treatment methods, and the qualifications of our staff. We agree to refuse payments for referrals and to fully disclose our costs.

"Pledge", not a guarentee. See the HLA forum for how the "cream of the crop" program markets its services. To the state they are a traditional boarding school providing no "therapy". To parent/Ed Cons they are a "therapeutic" facility. They also advertise as a Drug Treatment facility, although they are not licensed as such and have no Certified Addictions Counselors. Treatment methods are not openly described. Punishments are used that are not spelled out in the Parent Manual. Participants are strip searched without parents knowledge or consent. Staff qualifications have been misleading and deceptive. The staff MD's license was revoked years ago for stealing drugs for personal use, yet they just recently removed the MD from his bio. To name a few.

NATSAP Principles of Good Practice insist that programs operate with the utmost concern for human dignity and specifically prohibit any behavioral management procedures that involve sexual, physical, or emotional abuse, or that deny a nutritionally adequate diet for our participants. All programs must also have a clear written statement of participants rights openly disclosed to both participants and parents.

"Insist"? Who is checking and what are the "consequences" for a program when found to be in violation? A clear written statement of participants rights was never disclosed to me. Indeed my own parental rights were violated. My son was not given adequate calories while on Restrictions and made to throw his food away if he talked without permission, and further punished if he didn't throw it away when ordered to do so. Restraint was used inspite of HLAs claim to be a non-restraint facility. The program is emotionally abusive by design.

It has been allege that private residential programs treat serious emotional disorders without proper diagnosis or credentialed staff. Again our Principles of Good Practice, endorsed by all NATSAP programs, specifically require the full disclosure and description of staff qualifications. We agree not to provide services beyond our areas of
competence. Virtually all NATSAP programs operate with a full range of licensed psychologists, social workers, educators, and health care providers. The level of care and sophistication of individualized treatment in NATSAP programs stands in stark contrast to allegations of institutional abuse. Care is sensitive, nurturing, and highly professional.


Nice sales pitch. HLA has taken seriously disturbed, violent, suicidal, court-ordered kids inspite of claims to the contrary, and several were referred by the owner- a PhD and Ed Con. This is documented in the HLA forum and is a complaint in the Federal Class Action suit filed last week. Staff have complained about this for years.

But critics should understand that our programs are not based simply on the DSM IV symptom clusters. We draw from models of education, experiential education, psychology, psychiatry, social work, and family systems theory. NATSAP programs provide a complex milieu of bio-psycho-social-educational treatment that address multiple aspects of a child?s failure to mature and develop a resilient, adaptive character
structure. Each program places a unique emphasis on the various aspects of treatment.


Mr Santa, please disclose which evidence-based models NATSAP programs use and any related research that might show efficacy. Many here have been asking for this for years. And don't toss out the "study" NATSAP recently funded. It has no merit and was conducted and presented by two women with ties to the industry. Your programs need to be licensed so the public can get some real data and statistics.  

The result is 170 member programs each with a somewhat different blend of approaches, but all committed to the same basic principles of ethics and practice in which the value, dignity and safety of our students is paramount.

Like Booby (woops Bobbi Trott) Christensen. She agreed in a settlement not to run another program following the deaths of several students and staff. So what does she do? Moved to another state and hung out her shingle. Shall we hold her up as another glowing example of NATSAP programs? http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/155 ... sed02.html (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/155033_schoolclosed02.html)

Some allege that NATSAP opposes regulation and state licensure. We do not. This rumor is false. In fact, most NATSAP programs are fully licensed and accredited for all parts of their service. Only in states where appropriate licensure is not available for private programs is membership allowed without specific licensure.

The nerve!! That's just a bald-faced lie. Here's the challenge Mr Santa- reveal on each program's page if they are licensed by the state and provide a link, and if not, why NATSAP condones them operating without a license. If a program provides Drug Abuse Treatment/Education services, then list which agency they are licensed or certified by and which of the "counselors" are certified to provide these services.

In such cases programs must still certify that they are in compliance with the NATSAP code of ethics and practice principles.

What will HLAs consequence be for violating your Code of Ethics and Practice Principles? Does NATSAP condone their methods and procedures?

Indeed, NATSAP and its member programs have been
instrumental in lobbying states for strong regulation. As with any complex profession, we ask that regulation be deft, well informed and intelligently designed. We ask that regulators consider input from those who understand the profession, that the regulation recognize the unique qualities of programs, and that regulators do not simply apply standards designed for hospitals, extended stay hospitals , nursing facilities, detention centers, or traditional schools.


Any committee considering this needs to have Activists helping design the regulations. With NATSAP assistance you were able to create a self-regulating board in Montana, with only one independent person out of five
who doesn't have ties to the industry (that I'm aware of). Self-regulation of any industry is just wrong. It should be a huge Red Flag for any parent considering a placement in Montana. By the way buddy, where are the rules and regs for Montana programs? I'd like to read them.

We welcome intelligent state regulation and encourage all states to consider the NATSAP ethical principles and practice standards as a basis for state regulation and licensure.

I bet you do. I sure wish I could make the rules I have to follow in my business.

We resent well intentioned, but uninformed critics who call for restrictive and oppressive regulation that could eliminate professional, creative and competent alternatives to failed conventional diagnosis and care.

In the interest of transparency, you need to replace "creative" with Experimental.

Certainly we who operate NATSAP programs have our own tasks if we are to achieve a new level of trust. We must do a better job of educating the public about our programs and strive constantly to improve all aspects of what we do. We must operate with impeccable ethics. We must examine all of our individual and collective business practices to insure there is not even a perception of impropriety. Quality of care and safety in programs derive from our own self-study and efforts to improve our profession. Regulation and licensure are important, but not to create the ethics and practice standards of our profession. This we must do for ourselves.

Heaven help us and protect the kids.
Title: Re: Unannounced Visits
Post by: Deborah on September 18, 2006, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: ""stoodoodog""
I went to visit  my child when she was first incarcerated at one of the facilities listed above. After waiting for nearly half an hour in the lobby of the "rustic cabin" admissions unit, I was taken back to a clinicians office with another senior staffer. I was told NEVER to visit unannounced and that if I did want to visit I would need an appointment. I asked then to set an appointment for the following day. I was advised that appointments to visit with my child would need to be set up several weeks in advance. So as far as "surprise" visits? I concur with the Dr. above.


I was required to attend a workshop after four months in order to see my son for 36 hours. I drove to HLA the evening before. As I pulled into the parking lot I saw my son come around the corner of a building wearing work clothes and picking up trash. I was driving over to say hello when I was accosted by a staff member who inquired as to who I was and what I was doing. She told me to leave the property and not return until the scheduled time. Did she consider saying hello to my son to be therapeutically counter-productive? Was this a "school" or a prison?
Ethical? Creative? Or just down right controlling and disrespectful?
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: stoodoodog on September 18, 2006, 01:04:18 PM
Ethical? NO!
Creative? Certainly NOT!
Controlling, disrespectful and I can think of a few other choice words.  Santa needs a brand new bag.
Title: Re: Unannounced Visits
Post by: ZenAgent on September 18, 2006, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""stoodoodog""
I went to visit  my child when she was first incarcerated at one of the facilities listed above. After waiting for nearly half an hour in the lobby of the "rustic cabin" admissions unit, I was taken back to a clinicians office with another senior staffer. I was told NEVER to visit unannounced and that if I did want to visit I would need an appointment. I asked then to set an appointment for the following day. I was advised that appointments to visit with my child would need to be set up several weeks in advance. So as far as "surprise" visits? I concur with the Dr. above.

I was required to attend a workshop after four months in order to see my son for 36 hours. I drove to HLA the evening before. As I pulled into the parking lot I saw my son come around the corner of a building wearing work clothes and picking up trash. I was driving over to say hello when I was accosted by a staff member who inquired as to who I was and what I was doing. She told me to leave the property and not return until the scheduled time. Did she consider saying hello to my son to be therapeutically counter-productive? Was this a "school" or a prison?
Ethical? Creative? Or just down right controlling and disrespectful?


Ooooh...It's like deja vu all over again.  HLA and PV seem to share the philosophy that parents are meddlesome cretins bound to interfere with the behavior modification.  A parent is likely to be detrimental to the program by telling the child he(she)is not a worthless dirtbag, or worse yet, offer them hope of leaving before the "treatment" destroys them completely.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: ""MightyAardvark""
Quote from: ""Santa Claus""
Drug use is Rampant in junior and senior high school.

Drug use is down amongst school aged people and has been trending down since 1993. The most statistically significant group fro drug related hospital admissions is 35-50 year olds. according to the DoJ from their latest uniform Crime report.

Quote from: ""Santa Claus""
Increasing numbers of young people are struggling with addictive disorders

No they are not. Smoking is down over the last 25 years, alchohol abuse is down, illegal drug arrests and hospitalizations are down. Every measure of addictive behaviour is down for young people and up for the baby boomer generation.


The most recent comprehensive statistics on drug abuse are from the 2005 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), which you can find at http://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k5NSDUH/2k5results.htm (http://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k5NSDUH/2k5results.htm)

From the discussion of trends among youth:

"NSDUH shows declines from 2002 to 2005 among youths aged 12 to 17 for past month rates of use (i.e., current use) of alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, hallucinogens (such as Ecstasy and LSD), and the nonmedical use of prescription-type psychotherapeutic drugs. The past month use of cocaine and inhalants, however, showed no change among youths during that time period. Among young adults aged 18 to 25, the rates of current use of alcohol and marijuana were similar in 2002 and 2005. Cigarette use and Ecstasy use declined among young adults, but cocaine use and nonmedical use of prescription drugs increased."

From the data on adults 26 and older:

"Among adults aged 26 or older, 5.8 percent reported current illicit drug use in 2005. In this age group, 4.1 percent used marijuana, and 1.9 percent used prescription-type drugs. Moreover, fewer than 1 percent used cocaine (0.8 percent), hallucinogens (0.2 percent), and inhalants (0.1 percent). Rates of lifetime, past year, and past month illicit drug use among adults aged 26 or older were unchanged between 2004 and 2005."

"Among adults aged 50 to 59, the rate of current illicit drug use increased between 2002 and 2005 (Figure 2.8 ). For those aged 50 to 54, the rate increased from 3.4 to 5.2 percent, but this increase was not statistically significant. Among those aged 55 to 59, the rate increased significantly from 1.9 to 3.4 percent. This may reflect the aging into these age groups of the baby boom cohort, which has a relatively higher rate of lifetime illicit drug use than older cohorts have."

Other studies show in recent years a significant increase in nonmedical abuse of prescription drugs, particularly tranquilizers and opiods, by older adults (55+).

So what is the takeaway here? Drug use is declining among teens, except among cokeheads and huffers; it is staying flat among young adults 18-25 for some drugs, but increasing for others (coke & prescription drugs); and it is staying flat among adults 26+ for some drugs, but increasing for others -- especially prescription drugs, and especially in the over 50 group.

Notice that among these three age groups, 12-17, 18-25 and 26+, the group with the best statistical trends ("best" meaning "less drug use") is the 12-17 group.

So the generation at the end of the baby boom -- people who were teens in the 1970s -- are now themselves parents of teens. While those boomers continue to abuse drugs (just not the same drugs they abused in the '70s), they freak out when their teens do as they did -- and they send them to 'programs.'
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Nihilanthic on September 18, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
I wonder if this is just meant to be inflamatory.

Nobody who sticks to the FACTS is going to be phased by this, and the people who just want emotional validation will believe anything, including this - and let our reaction to this be twisted to help reinforce it.

I guess the only thing we can do is keep repeating the same old thing with the facts, and the lack thereof :roll: or TRY to get this on the news and hope everyone has enough brain cells left to get it.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: MightyAardvark on September 18, 2006, 03:03:27 PM
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Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 03:13:06 PM


From a 2001 report, slightly revised in early 2002, by
Jay P. Greene, Ph. D.. Senior Fellow, The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research:

The national graduation rate for the class of 1998 was 71%.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) finds a national high school completion rate of 86% for the class of 1998. The discrepancy between the NCES? finding and this report?s finding of a 71% rate is largely caused by NCES? counting of General Educational Development (GED) graduates and others with alternative credentials as high school graduates, and by its reliance on a methodology that is likely to undercount dropouts.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: MightyAardvark on September 18, 2006, 03:15:05 PM
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Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Nihilanthic on September 18, 2006, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""




71 and 86 % completion is higher than a 30% dropout...

Still, focusing on this one thing doesnt somehow validate all the drug hysteria and all the OTHER bullshit programs pull.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
High school dropouts run the risk of being poor.

Fear that your kids might grow up to be poor is not grounds for incarcerating them in a private prison.

But snobby families where Mommy and Daddy work 90 hours a week each and are never home for the kids, whose kids are therefore having a tougher time with adolescence, are prone to thinking it is.

We're back to the 13th century.  If your kid doesn't toe the line, stick him in a monastery which will shove him in a cloister until he shapes up.

Shakespeare's "Midsummer Night's Dream," anyone?  Remember the heroine getting a choice between a loveless arranged marriage or being stuck in a convent for life?

Control-freak parents have always existed, only the surface trappings have changed.  They see their children as possessions and social accessories, not people.

In every society, in every age, these parents brutalize their children  whenever the rest of us in society allow them to.

Julie
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 12:56:58 PM
Here's what that kind of hysteria produces, among other things.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6r9neE89Fg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6r9neE89Fg)

On November 5, 2003, police raided a high school in Goose Creek, South Carolina, in an effort to purge the school of drugs. After rounding up the students and searching their lockers, no drugs were found and no charges have been filed.

School and police cameras captured officers bursting into the school hallway and waving their guns at students. As you will see in this video clip, police pointed guns at the students' heads, handcuffed them, and made them lie on the floor or kneel with their faces to the wall while an officer with a drug-sniffing dog searched backpacks and belongings.

"I assumed that they were trying to protect us, that it was like Columbine, that somebody got in the school that was crazy or dangerous," one student said. "But then a police officer pointed a gun at me. It was really scary."

If this video outrages you, please help MPP end the war on marijuana users, so that dangerous, abusive, and un-American police raids like this become a thing of the past. For more information, visit www.mpp.org (http://www.mpp.org)
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 01:42:04 PM
The 2002?03 public high school graduation rate for the averaged freshman class 4 years earlier was 73.9 percent. The rate ranged from a low of 59.6 percent in the District of Columbia to a high of 87.0 percent in New Jersey.   (From the National Center for Education Statistics.  see comments in earlier post about statistics.  also go to site (use search engine) to read details of report, methosologies))
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 02:37:57 PM
http://ap.lancasteronline.com/4/youtube_drug_policy (http://ap.lancasteronline.com/4/youtube_drug_policy)


Anti-Drug Videos Uploaded to YouTube
By Ted Bridis
Associated Press Writer

Published: Sep 19, 2006 12:52 PM EST

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is distributing government-produced, anti-drug videos on YouTube, the trendy Internet service that already features clips of wacky, drug-induced behavior and step-by-step instructions for growing marijuana plants.

The decision to distribute public service announcements and other videos over YouTube represents the first concerted effort by the U.S. government to influence customers of the popular service, which shows more than 100 million videos per day.

The administration said it was not paying any money to load its previously produced videos onto YouTube's service, so the program is effectively free. Already by Tuesday, when the White House formally announced its video efforts, thousands of YouTube users had watched some of the government's videos.

"If just one teen sees this and decides illegal drug use is not the path for them, it will be a success," said Rafael Lemaitre, a spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.

By contrast, a two-minute video of a burning marijuana cigarette produced by High Times magazine has been viewed more than 17,000 times since March. "You have a lot of illicit, if not illegal, world views and cultures represented on the Web," said Rick Cusick, the magazine's associate publisher.

The government's YouTube videos include a previously televised, 30-second ad of a teenager running from a snarling dog and bemoaning pressure from his friends to smoke marijuana.

"Then today, they said I should try to out run Tic Tic, the lumber-yard dog," the teen says. "And I don't think I can. I'm an idiot."

President Bush's top drug-policy adviser, John Walters, said the agency was using emerging technologies to try to reach its audience. "Public institutions must adapt to meet the realities of these promising technologies," he said.

YouTube Inc., a San Mateo, Calif.-based startup, has become one of the Internet's hottest properties since two 20-something friends started the company 19 months ago. The free service allows users to share and view videos, most of which are amateurishly produced and include clips of young people singing and dancing ? usually badly.

The government's short public service announcements ? all of which were produced previously for television ? are highly polished. They will compete for viewership against hundreds of existing, drug-related videos that include shaky footage of college-age kids smoking marijuana and girls dancing wildly after purportedly using cocaine. Other YouTube videos describe how to grow marijuana and how to cook with it.

"Welcome to the great experiment," said Lee Rainie, director of the Pew Internet & American Life Project. He predicted computer-savvy critics of U.S. drug policies will quickly edit the government's videos to produce parodies and distribute those on YouTube. "This seems pretty new and pretty adventurous."

The government linked its videos with the terms "war on drugs,""peer-pressure,""marijuana,""weed,""ONDCP" and "420," so anyone searching for those words on YouTube could find its anti-drug messages. All the videos were associated with a YouTube account named "ONDCPstaff" and identified as an 18-year-old living in Washington. The figure 420 is a popular reference for marijuana, and officials said the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy was created 18 years ago.

Michael Bugeja, who studies how different groups use the Internet, said the White House plan is misdirected because online video services don't afford serious consideration to weighty topics.

"It's the wrong forum and the wrong target," said Bugeja, an author and director of the journalism school at Iowa State University.

?

On the Net:

http://www.YouTube.com/ONDCP (http://www.YouTube.com/ONDCP)
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Deborah on October 27, 2006, 03:39:51 PM
Santa Attempts to Modify ODD Program's Behavior..... Trying to control the greedy pigs lined up at the trough of TT.
You really think you're going to modify the behavior of the these renegade mavericks? Best just disassociate now if your reputation depends on the practices of your fellow programmers.
"New Profession".... is that anything like "New World Order"?

President?s Corner ? Dr. John Santa, Ph.D.
A New Professionalism, Collegiality, Competition, and Marketing
In the last President?s corner I talked about the rapid growth we have experienced in residential treatment. I tried to make the case that the growth has resulted from a real need and a failure of other professions to take care of youngsters who are immature, lack containment, and need an out of home placement. In the past eight years NATSAP has helped nurture a new profession based on the intervention and care for these immature, emotionally or behaviorally disturbed children and their families. This new profession goes beyond our educational backgrounds. We are more than psychologists, teachers, social workers, or outdoor educators in our residential settings, and we are developing a knowledge that begins to create the basis of a new profession.

As knowledge accumulates, NATSAP has created opportunities to share this information by hosting study groups to define ethical approaches and best practice standards. We have sponsored national and regional
conferences to build opportunities for sharing information and exchanging ideas. We have now launched a professional journal with the inaugural edition due in January of 2006, aimed at collecting and codifying the
growing information we have gathered about effective treatment.
The open collaboration and generous sharing of information is beginning to define our new profession.

Those of us who experience emotional growth programs of twenty years ago will note several substantial differences. The early approaches were truly alternative and charismatic in nature as opposed to professional. Each program was unique and depended heavily on the intuitions, guidance, and often the genius of the founder. Programs could best be described as islands of information with little communication and much distrust and secrecy among the different programs. In many ways the early programs, while creative and entrepreneurial in nature, were both anti-professional and non-professional. They prided themselves in providing an alternative to both medical and standard educational approaches to working with out of control teenagers.
**Ahh, attempting to give the impression that programs are no longer Synanon/CEDU based. Hmm... how many are using 'evidence-based' therapies??

The past fifteen years has seen a rapid growth of programs as well as a shift towards a more professional and information sharing environment. NATSAP as an organization is both the result of the increase in
professionalism among programs, and a catalyst for fostering the development of our new profession.

As our new profession develops, we must examine what it means to be a professional. We must also ask ourselves what are the boundaries and edges of this new collaborative profession. Where do we bump into the
economic, and competitive forces that do not foster collegiality and the growth of a new profession?

Several areas create a high risk for undermining our new profession. In marketing it is often tempting to offer rumors or limited information about other programs in order to make the case that your program is the best answer for a particular client. Or, we pass gossip to each other and consultants. Such gossip at times makes us feel we are insiders, or it places us in a superior position in the eyes of a consultant, or sometimes we are just in a foul spirited mood and are leaking our feelings in the hopes that this will somehow make us feel better.

To be honest, I think that Aspen programs have been the unfair target for some of our gossip as we struggle to deal with the fear of change, growth, and corporations entering our profession. But I have the feeling that
gossip about each other is endemic and destructive to professionalism, trust, and collegiality.
 :rofl: Good luck buddy. Focus on the bottomline will continue to put profit before professionalism.

Another way that marketing has interfered with creating a professional community is when we have a conference and our members pay more attention to the marketing opportunity of having consultants available than to the opportunity to develop relationships among our members. We must look closely at situations in which we leave our conference in order to entertain consultants.
 :rofl: Duh!! They aren't interested in rubbing backs with their competitors while the Ed Cons drink martinis in the lobby.

For example two years ago at the NATSAP conference we had a dinner to honor Kimball DeLaMare as the first recipient of the award for outstanding contributions in our field. Only a third of the members remained for the dinner and nearly two thirds left to market. I don?t think it means we must never look at or talk to a consultant at our conference. Obviously, many of us have close personal relationships with consultants. It makes perfectly good sense to maintain friendships, but we must also make the development of collegial relationships a priority. And we must constantly question and examine our motives.

Staff recruiting is another obvious area in which we can undue trust, mutual respect and the development of professionalism. At the last NATSAP conference several of my therapists came back quite flattered, but a little chagrined at being openly recruited by other programs. Others have told me of having letters sent to them directly enticing them to leave their current program and go to a new program. Obviously, staff poaching will create distrust and decrease collegiality. How should recruitment be handled in a way that is open and yet respects each other?s business? I am not sure any profession has this problem figured out, but we must discuss it and begin to establish agreement as to what is OK and what is not.
 :rofl: Oh Santa.... all I want for Christmas is full control...

Finally, as a profession we have a fiduciary responsibility for those whom we serve, and we must safeguard and care for the emotional well being of vulnerable children and their families. We must guard against greed,
excess, corruption, and social irresponsibility even more than Enron, or the White House.

 :rofl: Um huh. Not in this lifetime, in this industry.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2006, 04:06:43 PM
I know that you'll never see WWASPS and NATSAP playing kissie-kissie!
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: AtomicAnt on October 27, 2006, 09:36:50 PM
What is amazing is how much is being admitted to here for those who can read critically. He admits programs were originally founded by people who are 'charismatic' (read manipulative) and that their personal visions and character defined the programs (instead of any sound scientific developments). In other words, a bunch of sociopaths came up with a successful con.

The model is so successful that it has expanded and attracted the attention of deep pocket investors like Aspen. That is a threat to the little independent fucks. So this guy is calling for the cult leaders to make nice with each other, act like the professionals they clearly are not, and market their shit as innovative 'treatment' instead of just made up cult-like brainwashing.

What is scary is the very real possibility that this whole industry could go mainstream. We live in a country where self-righteous anger is fed by media hysteria and the result is a get tough stance against crime, drugs, kids, liberals, homosexuals, pretty much anyone who doesn't fit in with a twisted, narrow, spoon-fed view of the world. Politicians feed on this for votes. Corporate interests feed on it for profit. This misguided, poisonous view of the world keeps expanding and the free country we used to live in is becoming less tolerant and free.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Deborah on October 27, 2006, 11:56:01 PM
Quote from: ""AtomicAnt""
What is amazing is how much is being admitted to here for those who can read critically. He admits programs were originally founded by people who are 'charismatic' (read manipulative) and that their personal visions and character defined the programs (instead of any sound scientific developments). In other words, a bunch of sociopaths came up with a successful con.

The model is so successful that it has expanded and attracted the attention of deep pocket investors like Aspen. That is a threat to the little independent fucks. So this guy is calling for the cult leaders to make nice with each other, act like the professionals they clearly are not, and market their shit as innovative 'treatment' instead of just made up cult-like brainwashing.

What is scary is the very real possibility that this whole industry could go mainstream. We live in a country where self-righteous anger is fed by media hysteria and the result is a get tough stance against crime, drugs, kids, liberals, homosexuals, pretty much anyone who doesn't fit in with a twisted, narrow, spoon-fed view of the world. Politicians feed on this for votes. Corporate interests feed on it for profit. This misguided, poisonous view of the world keeps expanding and the free country we used to live in is becoming less tolerant and free.


Great summary.
I was talking to a psychologist yesterday who told me there were no 'evidence based' therapies for this genre. The closest thing would be DBT, similar to or related to CBT. What does your ex say about that AA?
In all of my research I have found nothing to indicate efficacy when aggregating distressed kids.
I did read a report about a city that initiated wrap-around services with great success. They sent 5 therapist to work with the family until they were stable, then down to 1. This was over the course of several months.  Sounds like it might be prohibitively expensive, but they said the cost for this service was considerably cheaper than putting the boy in an RTC.
Found the story:
http://www.nyjournalnews.com/rtc/3part3.htm (http://www.nyjournalnews.com/rtc/3part3.htm)
Even with therapists assigned to work with Daniel around-the-clock, the cost of his care decreased from as high as $8,890 a month while he was in a residential treatment center to $2,000 to $4,000 when he was at home.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: AtomicAnt on October 28, 2006, 01:27:45 PM
I don't what CBT and DBT stand for.

I read the article in the link (skimmed really). This is the same kind of work my ex does. She used to work for NYC's Mobile Crisis Unit and now she works for NYC's Department of Human Resources. If you read about Milwaukee's Wraparound program, it falls under HR. She works mostly with adults and goes to their homes.

http://www.county.milwaukee.gov/Wraparo ... ee7851.htm (http://www.county.milwaukee.gov/WraparoundMilwaukee7851.htm)
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: MightyAardvark on October 28, 2006, 01:43:20 PM
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Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: AtomicAnt on October 28, 2006, 01:46:34 PM
I will ask her and let you know.
Title: A open invitation to tour and talk to any NATSAP school
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 02:10:36 PM
I've heard that DBT is especially helpful in the treatment of eating disorders.