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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 31, 2006, 05:29:08 PM
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How many parents/former parents are aware that HLA rountinely strip searches each child upon return to campus?
Does your parent handbook specifically address strip searches?
Did you receive anything in writing from HLA regarding strip searches?
Did you authorize the strip searches or question HLA about them after you found out about them? What was their response?
Students/Former Students - were you told or led to believe your parents knew about the strip searches and approved them?
Let's get the truth out in the open.
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I was aware that searches occurred but NOT strip searches.
I (we) did not grant permission to HLA to perform such searches.
My son never mentioned it until I asked him; he assumed we
knew.
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We were never privy to the strip searches until our return with our children from the second workshop break... there was a "slip" of the tongue, in front of me. I was in shock. It is not, repeat not , in the Parent Handbook....I never gave my permission for my minor child to be strip searched... I was never informed by HLA of the strip search policy prior or during enrollment....After that workshop,plans began to pull
our child, which we did....not only for the strip searching, but we felt during that workshop that all was not what was presented to be..along with many other parents in our group...
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its mentioned (breifly) in the hanbook that my mom had. One time when she took me back to campus she told thme not to do it and they said i wouldnt be allowed back on campus unless they did, since she wasnt my legal gaurdian at the time there wasnt a lot they could do about it (the person she talked to wasnt aware of this however), but they seemed completely indifferent to her complaints. I have no idea if its mentioned in the current handbook (the hanbook we had even for the time i was there was extreemely out of date), or in previous handbooks.
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its mentioned (breifly) in the hanbook that my mom had. One time when she took me back to campus she told thme not to do it and they said i wouldnt be allowed back on campus unless they did, since she wasnt my legal gaurdian at the time there wasnt a lot they could do about it (the person she talked to wasnt aware of this however), but they seemed completely indifferent to her complaints. I have no idea if its mentioned in the current handbook (the hanbook we had even for the time i was there was extreemely out of date), or in previous handbooks.
Did the handbook state "searches" or "strip searches"? There's a huge difference. My handbook from 2005 only says "searches".
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I knew from the beginning that it would be strip searches and understood the reason for them. The kids at HLA are often there for drug and alcohol use, shoplifting, etc. These are not teens who have been angels and honest with parents. And I am speaking as a parent of a sweet teen who breaks rules just to break them. Do I like the fact that she must be searched--no. It makes me sick, but better to be safe than sorry. And drugs, cigarettes and other items would be brought back to campus without the searches. I do know that two adults are present, the search is done in stages. Everything brought onto to campus, from books to clothing are also carefully searched. And the reasons are explained.
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Though some people obviously disagree with the searches in general, I think the main complaint here is lack of disclosure about the searches. HLA purposefully leaves out information about strip searches. I personally understand the need for them in that environment. HLA should make it clear to the parents, however, that the strip searches will take place. Not all parents make the assumption that you made.
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I knew from the beginning that it would be strip searches and understood the reason for them. The kids at HLA are often there for drug and alcohol use, shoplifting, etc. These are not teens who have been angels and honest with parents. And I am speaking as a parent of a sweet teen who breaks rules just to break them. Do I like the fact that she must be searched--no. It makes me sick, but better to be safe than sorry. And drugs, cigarettes and other items would be brought back to campus without the searches. I do know that two adults are present, the search is done in stages. Everything brought onto to campus, from books to clothing are also carefully searched. And the reasons are explained.
Just out of curiousity, what do you mean "everyhing is done in stages?"
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I didn't write the original email, but I can explain what is meant by stages.
If done correctly, the student is never completely naked. They would take of thier shirt and have it and their uper body searched. They would then put their shirt back on. They would then remove their pants, and so on.
Still...not a fun process for the student or the staff.
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I didn't write the original email, but I can explain what is meant by stages.
If done correctly, the student is never completely naked. They would take of thier shirt and have it and their uper body searched. They would then put their shirt back on. They would then remove their pants, and so on.
Still...not a fun process for the student or the staff.
Ok, well no it wasnt "done in stages". I sood there bare assed and unshirtted plently of times.
And most staff didnt seem to have much problem with it.
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No stages, just bare ass naked for as long as the staff deems neccesary.
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For all the parents out there who have students at HLA, strip searches aren't a thing of the past. They are occuring TODAY - 9/1/2006.
I encourage you to ask your child about them.
The administration at HLA seems to be under the impression that the students aren't "humiliated or degraded" by the strip searches. I think the majority of the kids at HLA would object to that statement.
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What section of the Parent Manual are any form of searches mentioned? I couldn't find any mention (200-2002), just this letter sent July 2001.
July 2001
As our school continues to expand and improve, we are constantly revisiting policy in order to ensure that the safety of our students, and the security of our campus are never compromised. Our policy regarding student?s traveling off campus has therefore been reassessed and we have adopted new measures to reduce the number of scenarios that have caused parents concern in the past.
Effective immediately, students will be required to leave and return to campus wearing HLA uniform only for all scheduled and approved visits and breaks. Further, they will not be allowed to take any luggage with them, nor return with luggage. To date, students have been allowed to wear other casual or dressy attire and pack the necessary clothing and personal hygiene items they may require for the duration of the break or visit. The ongoing difficulties that we have experienced as a result have been numerous. Students at times would return with inadequate and inappropriate luggage, such as shopping bags or shoulder bags that did not properly close, resulting in lost items. More often, students would often return to campus wearing or having packed new clothing items that were either not needed or were not approved. Similarly, they at times returned with the clothes they left with or they often chose to leave some of these items at home. The effort to keep an accurate record of the student?s personal belonging and clothing inventory on campus has therefore become increasingly more difficult. Further, too often numerous clothing or other personal items have had to be returned to the parents at their expense as a result of the student having too many clothing items, or items that were not in agreement with school policy. On future breaks, students will be allowed to carry a small bag that will be provided by HLA, to carry their travel information, identification and reading materials.
Of obvious concern to all is the increased risk of a student returning with contraband when they are able to bring back in luggage or other newly acquired items. Currently, staff members are required to search a student?s luggage and belongings upon return to campus to ensure that items, which may jeopardize the safety and security of campus, are located. Students are required to wait until a thorough search of their belongings has been completed. Students will now no longer have to wait for their belongings, as all they require will be in their dorm rooms upon return. Most importantly however, the chance that any contraband might be returned to campus will be significantly reduced.
This new policy will offer other benefits as well. Parents will no longer be required to provide the student with a soft, collapsible piece of luggage. For those students who currently have luggage on campus, they will be asked to take such home with them on their next visit or break. Parents and students will not have to worry about luggage or its contents being lost or damaged, as is sometimes the case when traveling through major airports and over long distances. For those students who are picked up at the airport by HLA staff, they will find that upon returning to campus, they will be searched in a much more timely fashion, then allowed to join their peers at supper or activity.
Please be aware that students will need clothing and personal items at home for each visit or break. While we do understand and deeply regret this may result for some in additional expense to parents, we feel we must take the steps necessary in the best interest of all of our students and parents. Thank you for your cooperation as we work to provide a safe and secure place for your child to work towards a successful future.
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Though some people obviously disagree with the searches in general, I think the main complaint here is lack of disclosure about the searches. HLA purposefully leaves out information about strip searches. I personally understand the need for them in that environment. HLA should make it clear to the parents, however, that the strip searches will take place. Not all parents make the assumption that you made.
drugs still get smuggled in via taped to balls. i knew a kid who smuggled in around 100 triple c caplets, another brought bud, some chicks smuggled in coke.....i could go on forever....
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What about the staff members who give drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes to students.
Should they be strip searched as well?
Oh never mind there arent enough people on staff to complete such a task.
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Staff giving students drug is a serious thing. I think you are obligated to name names if that really happened.
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its mentioned (breifly) in the hanbook that my mom had. One time when she took me back to campus she told thme not to do it and they said i wouldnt be allowed back on campus unless they did, since she wasnt my legal gaurdian at the time there wasnt a lot they could do about it (the person she talked to wasnt aware of this however), but they seemed completely indifferent to her complaints. I have no idea if its mentioned in the current handbook (the hanbook we had even for the time i was there was extreemely out of date), or in previous handbooks.
Did the handbook state "searches" or "strip searches"? There's a huge difference. My handbook from 2005 only says "searches".
Im pretty shure the one i read said strip searches, it was recieved in 2002 i have no idea how old it was then. Of course i havent looked at it in along time and could be mistaken.
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its mentioned (breifly) in the hanbook that my mom had. One time when she took me back to campus she told thme not to do it and they said i wouldnt be allowed back on campus unless they did, since she wasnt my legal gaurdian at the time there wasnt a lot they could do about it (the person she talked to wasnt aware of this however), but they seemed completely indifferent to her complaints. I have no idea if its mentioned in the current handbook (the hanbook we had even for the time i was there was extreemely out of date), or in previous handbooks.
Did the handbook state "searches" or "strip searches"? There's a huge difference. My handbook from 2005 only says "searches".
Im pretty shure the one i read said strip searches, it was recieved in 2002 i have no idea how old it was then. Of course i havent looked at it in along time and could be mistaken.
Make sure.... HLA tries to make you think the handbook states it, which it doesn't.
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Back to my question- where does it state in the manual that there will be any kind of searches? What section can that be found in?
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i wish i could look back at it and double check but i have no idea where that thing is, i believe in the manual i said in mentioned searches in the section on home visits. But like i said i havent read it in over a year, not to mention that i think theyve been consistently changing parts of it since they started getting sued.
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Back to my question- where does it state in the manual that there will be any kind of searches? What section can that be found in?
My handbook is dated 2005 and on page 20 under "Travel Arrangements" it says "All students are searched upon their return to campus. Your willingness to follow these procedures will help keep our campus as safe as possible. All Students returning to HLA from breaks and visits will be searched upon their return."
It never uses the term "strip searched" anywhere in the handbook I have.
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I don't have a section specific to travel arrangements. It is included in Section 4 on "Breaks". Nothing about searches of any kind. Again, this was 2000-02.
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We were never privy to the strip searches until our return with our children from the second workshop break... there was a "slip" of the tongue, in front of me. I was in shock. It is not, repeat not , in the Parent Handbook....I never gave my permission for my minor child to be strip searched... I was never informed by HLA of the strip search policy prior or during enrollment....After that workshop,plans began to pull
our child, which we did....not only for the strip searching, but we felt during that workshop that all was not what was presented to be..along with many other parents in our group...
The parent workshops are a joke. Isn't it something that HLA tells DHR/ORS they're an academic boarding school so they can avoid being licensed by the state, but then sells HLA to parents as being therapeutic and how parent workshops are such a vital part of the "therapy". (BTW - How many "academic" boarding schools have parent workshops for the different therapeutic levels?)
It's only when the parents start talking amongst themselves do you find out things and how unhappy many of the parents are with HLA.
HLA will swear up and down they told you about strip searches and that parents support it for safety. If a parent wants to consent to strip searches, then the parent should have the right to do so. BUT a parent should be told the truth up front and to be allowed to make a choice.
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I was told by one of the admissions guys that they intentionally do not say anything about strip searches.
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Whoda thought theyd do something like that?
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I didn't write the original email, but I can explain what is meant by stages.
If done correctly, the student is never completely naked. They would take of thier shirt and have it and their uper body searched. They would then put their shirt back on. They would then remove their pants, and so on.
Still...not a fun process for the student or the staff.
Ok, well no it wasnt "done in stages". I sood there bare assed and unshirtted plently of times.
And most staff didnt seem to have much problem with it.
I was completely 100% naked and jumping around in circles a couple of times. Yes, in "stages" is how they normally do it, but not how they always do it. Hahaha, Drugs and ciggerettes not on campus? Where there's a will, there's a way. I smoked newports, did cocaine, a couple other perscribed meds, D.X.M, and a couple other things, had Kodiac ice, or copenhagen the almost the entire time I was there. Treat the kids like criminals and that is what they become.
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Staff giving students drug is a serious thing. I think you are obligated to name names if that really happened.
Never! Drugs help kids more than hurt them there. Fuck you, snitch bitch.
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Staff giving students drug is a serious thing. I think you are obligated to name names if that really happened.
Never! Drugs help kids more than hurt them there. Fuck you, snitch bitch.
More of that HLA prison mentality...