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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: teachback on August 24, 2006, 08:29:26 AM
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Straight, Inc. and most of the places that are open today are drug war side-effects. As with any other business, it's about supply and demand. Take away the hysteria, and there's no more demand. So long as there's an imagined need to fight the so-called evils of drug addiction, the abusive treatment facilities will be there to cater to it. These creeps will find a way to make it happen, so long as they can. And the current drug policies make it all too easy for them.
Protesting Straight spinoffs won't accomplish much in the big picture. Not to say people shouldn't do it, it can be therapeutic to publically speak out against the program. But hey, there will still be people getting busted and sent up for long stretches for a joint, DARE police at your school telling kids to rat out their own parents, piss testing in the workplace, and kids getting sent to places offshore for behavior modification. None of this will end. So really, anything less than an effort to end criminalization for drug "offenses" is like putting a band aid on a gaping wound.
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I couldn't agree more. Don't get me wrong, I have a blast going to Miller's and fucking with him and Ruthie but it only serves my own personal needs. Nothing will change with any of this until the drug war issue is addressed and addressed with some fucking common sense.
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Does anyone really give a fuck? Or do you just like the attention you get for "helping the cause"?
point taken, but you just really got my goat. I'm about as pissed off as I get right now. How do you expect to end the war on drugs without speakin' out against it ???
I was one of three people who went to the Ohio state house protest back in April, a bunch more people were supposed to go with us but they all bailed out at the last minute. I don't know what their reasons were, but I suspect it may have had something to do with the balls required for such an endeavor. I know that 2 of the 3 people(myself included), involved in that protest, who went on T.V. and were interviewed by the local CBS affilliate about the abuse at $tr8 inc. and KHK suffer from PTSD. Let me tell you I didn't want that attention. I didn't want to go on T.V. I was extremely uncomfortable, but I went ahead and did it because there is a grave injustice being committed against children who have no way to defend themselves, and I know exactly how that is. For days, even weeks, afterward I was extremely worried that I had made myself vulnerable to my enemies.
There is a personal satisfaction in it. But that was not the main reason I participated in that event. And I won't deny that it is cool to get e-mails and private messages from cute survivor chicks who admire the balls it takes to do something like that.
I know you're a smart guy Frank and I generally like your posts and it was fun to party and jam with you that one night in Ohio, but I'm dissapointed in this post of yours. I really do give a fuck.
If you only knew the dream-fantasies I have in mind.
ever't'in cool bro.
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Does anyone really give a fuck? Or do you just like the attention you get for "helping the cause"?
point taken, but you just really got my goat. I'm about as pissed off as I get right now. How do you expect to end the war on drugs without speakin' out against it ???
I was one of three people who went to the Ohio state house protest back in April, a bunch more people were supposed to go with us but they all bailed out at the last minute. I don't know what their reasons were, but I suspect it may have had something to do with the balls required for such an endeavor. I know that 2 of the 3 people(myself included), involved in that protest, who went on T.V. and were interviewed by the local CBS affilliate about the abuse at $tr8 inc. and KHK suffer from PTSD. Let me tell you I didn't want that attention. I didn't want to go on T.V. I was extremely uncomfortable, but I went ahead and did it because there is a grave injustice being committed against children who have no way to defend themselves, and I know exactly how that is. For days, even weeks, afterward I was extremely worried that I had made myself vulnerable to my enemies.
There is a personal satisfaction in it. But that was not the main reason I participated in that event. And I won't deny that it is cool to get e-mails and private messages from cute survivor chicks who admire the balls it takes to do something like that.
I know you're a smart guy Frank and I generally like your posts and it was fun to party and jam with you that one night in Ohio, but I'm dissapointed in this post of yours. I really do give a fuck.
If you only knew the dream-fantasies I have in mind.
ever't'in cool bro.
Of course you would have to speak out and/or go about it in some way shape or form. I never said you shouldn't speak out about it. Tell me where the hell I said that?
Seems you conveniently left out THIS part of my quote: "Couldn't some of our time and effort be better spent?"
You've obviously missed my point entirely, and ~I am dissappointed in YOU.
My point was that perhaps the focus of the scope should shift a little... and perhaps the ammo could use a little replenishing..
Read my post again, fucker.. :rofl:
And get the fuck out of my way. ::armed::
::cheers::
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I do what I can for "the cause" but that doesn't really include protests anymore. I'm glad I did the ones I did and I'm not saying I wouldn't do another but I think it would have to be along the lines of an overall drug policy kind of thing.
I do what I can in my own way. I talk to friends and collegues about it when the subject of politics comes up, not so much Straight but the drug war itself. I talk to parents here and through PM or email about more specific issues related to programs and schools. What I really love doing is talking to some of my adopted kids (daughter's friends) who are out of state in college. These kids are sharp as hell and their understanding of this things is what's ultimately going to make a difference.
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Read my post again, fucker..
...O.k. I will...
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Thanks. :tup: cool..
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Couldn't some of our time and effort be better spent?
Some of our time could be better spent, but not much of it. Besides the time I spend with my daughter I don't really think I could spend my time any better.
Well, maybe we are having a semantics problem. To me anyone who speaks out against $tr8 and any of the other brainwash-cult programs is a protester. Speaking out = protest, whatever the form; written words, paintings, music, talking to strangers on the street, carryin signs in front of KHK, public speaking engagements, etc. It's all protest. Protesting an injustuce. Your post just sounds defeatist to me. I think all the protesting and speakin' out that people have done in the past has helped, but it's obvious that we need to take it to a higher level. I have an idea, but you will have to talk to me...somewhere, sometime. I know you like to cause trouble, so do I. :wink: ... ::bandit::
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Not defeatist at all; quite the contrary... I don't want to turn off the TV, I just wanna channel surf.. Sounds good. ;)
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Not defeatist at all; quite the contrary... I don't want to turn off the TV, I just wanna channel surf.. Sounds good. ;)
Well it aint gonna ever change unless people have the courage to protest and speak out in whatever form they choose. Sorry if I read you the wrong way. I am just fuckin' worked up. Just finished reading "Help At Any Cost" in the wee hours of the morning. I got a hair trigger right now and my finger is itchy.
Not sure what you mean by not wantin' to turn off the t.v. and just channel surf. Could you clarify please ??
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Sure...gimme a few minutes... brb..FD
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Losing sense of time...fucking phones ringin' and shit...
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In a nutshell, that surfing analogy was intended to depict a proposed shift of focus from what is the status quo to maybe protesting, legislating {or what-have-you} the drug laws that inevitably spawn the pseudo psycho-therapeutic greed-based mind control programs...
To nip it in the bud so to speak...
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In a nutshell, that surfing analogy was intended to depict a proposed shift of focus from the status quo to maybe protesting, legislating {or what-have-you} the drug laws that inevitably spurn the pseudo psycho-therapeutic greed-based mind control programs...
To nip it in the bud so to speak...
Ohhhh!!...okay. You're saying we should be protesting the laws and government policies that generate(I think you meant spawn, not spurn, right ??) these fucked up, unjust, oppressive brainwash-mind control cults.
Well I'm all for that, but I believe in fighting on several fronts at once. I'm with ya.
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Yep....spawn; I'll change it.
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but I believe in fighting on several fronts at once. I'm with ya.
Yeah, more power to you... We don't want to spread ourselves too thin though.
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In other words why not go for the throat..
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That's a tall order. You've got to change the minds of M/M Joe Blow Middle America. That's why I'm so encouraged by LEAP and enjoy just talking to people about it. You'd be surprised how many people, when you lay out the facts and get them to follow a clear line of logic start to understand. They've been washed all these years too, in a sense. They've been bombarded with all the propoganda and it's gotten so much into the mainstream with AA and 12 Step crap being pushed in all of the 30 day and outpatient centers. Just look at any of the teen help sites and their insane 'warning signs'. Virtually every single teen in the country is at risk according to those people.
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Indeed the LEAP effort could succeed in doing it.. They challenge the evil at its very core.. {old green grin}
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Anyway...even if we could put an end to the war on drugs and close every single fucked-up program it wouldn't change the social dynamic that causes one group of people to oppress another. It would only be a matter of time before the dynamic changed form. As long as there is government there will be injustice and oppression. A wall in the local park here, where I like to ride my mountain bike down over the rocks is spray-painted with the words: "One persons security is anothers oppression" next to the words is the circled Anarchy "A". I couldn't agree more. Hence my sig:
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They challenge the evil at its very core.. {old green grin}
:tup:
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It's about decriminalization, period.
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Anyway...even if we could put an end to the war on drugs and close every single fucked-up program it wouldn't change the social dynamic that causes one group of people to oppress another. It would only be a matter of time before the dynamic changed form. As long as there is government there will be injustice and oppression. A wall in the local park here, where I like to ride my mountain bike down over the rocks is spray-painted with the words: "One persons security is anothers oppression" next to the words is the circled Anarchy "A". I couldn't agree more. Hence my sig:
True... but the decriminalization of drugs is potentially more feasible than uprooting bureaucracy (government).. THAT would be a tall order..
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but I believe in fighting on several fronts at once. I'm with ya.
I understand- however that M.O. can be taxing; don't want to spread ourselves too thin...
Yeah, I know, what we need is a small group of dedicated hardcore muther-fuckers who wanna kick some ass !!! Talk to me...
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Yep; people dedicated to kicking some ass by protesting, legislating, and speaking out against the Drug War.
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Anyway...even if we could put an end to the war on drugs and close every single fucked-up program it wouldn't change the social dynamic that causes one group of people to oppress another. It would only be a matter of time before the dynamic changed form. As long as there is government there will be injustice and oppression. A wall in the local park here, where I like to ride my mountain bike down over the rocks is spray-painted with the words: "One persons security is anothers oppression" next to the words is the circled Anarchy "A". I couldn't agree more. Hence my sig:
True... but the decriminalization of drugs is potentially more feasible than uprooting bureaucracy (government).. THAT would be a tall order..
Yes, you are correct...LOL. THAT is a tall order. But as you wrote earlier, in your initial post $tr8 an' all these other programs are just a manifestation of the 'war on drugs'. In the same way the 'war on drugs' is just a manifestation of the social power dynamic which instituions such as large federal style governments create. The form will eventually change but the oppression and injustice inherent in that dynamic will remain the same. Fuck all authority.
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Perpetual subtraction- Words sing themselves unsaid- Acknowledge prayer on drugs until everyone has met and has been greeted- The weeks lap at a dissolving schedule- The naps of the innocent have been deliberately disturbed- The epidemic stupor seeps along underground and suspended wires from house to house, from block to block, claiming nations, and stirring up an absolute pitch of lethargic neglect which is a summons and beacon attracting the peak phenomenon to crash and crush cosmic distance into an uncontrollably laughing book
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interesting...
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I started out my interest in this watching all the protesting and legislating and litigating and such and occasionally trying to tip the ball if it came my way . Here's a nice set of pics from the DATIA protest back in, I think, 2002. This one and the next frame are my favorite ones of the whole lot http://fornits.com/anonanon/DatiaProtes ... P_0061.htm (http://fornits.com/anonanon/DatiaProtest/pages/DCP_0061.htm)
(woops! Guess I have to go and fix the comments form there....)
That was fun. I met a lot of interesting people, never ever have time enough to get to know any of them well enough. And I'm not sure it accomplished much, except for a good time and feeding those kids up on some good ideas and experience. But what do I know? I don't even remember having met Maia Szalavitz at the conf in Bathesda in 2000 and look what that clever gal done gone and done with it.
So I'm still hawking any thing that comes to my notice that seems like a good idea. Here lately, I'm much encouraged by a couple of things. LEAP seems to be growing some legs, and thank God! How often does an accomplished career cop retire and then twice cross the country on horseback condemning the war on certain unpatentable substances like Howard Wooldridge has done? And yet our fucked up excuse for a pretended IVth Estate seems to have missed it entirely.
Frustrating!
Yeah channel surfing. Hanging back, reassessing those things that didn't go the way I expected, wondering what might work better, feeling my mortality in acute ways. I don't like being Eudora, it just seemed necessary at the time. I'm eager to move on to the next step in this dance.
Any suggestions, anybody?
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What's your faith in this "4th Estate" for? They were co-opted by the government or big business a long time ago. They ain't gonna help us with anything, they're just the mouthpieces for the powers that be, and that ain't changing anytime soon.
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That cop that I got high with said I had some pretty good shit...
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::bigsmilebounce::
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Straight, Inc. and the rest of these places that are open today are NOTHING MORE than bad side effects of a much bigger problem- the drug war. The only way that places like this will cease to exist is if the war on drugs ends. It's as simple as the concept of supply and demand. So long as there's a "need" to "fight" against the "evils" of "drug addiction" places like this will remain open. They will always find a way to make it happen so long as they can. And with the current policies in place, they can and they will...
Protests, letters of apology from Nancy Reagan, attempts to expose Mel Riddle, and hell.. even fucking with Miller Newton won't do much for the cause. While some or all of these things may be personally gratifying they are really not doing all that much to end the abuse of "druggies" in the grand scheme. Ok, so let's say you get KHK shut down, garner contempt for Mel Riddile, get Nancy to say "I'm sorry", get Miller defrocked, kicked to the curb and stoned to death by an angry mob of orthodox folks. What would any of these things accomplish aside from some personal satisfaction? There will still be people getting busted and sent up for long stretches over nothing more than a joint.. there will still be DARE people at your school trying to get kids to rat out their parents, drug testing in the workplace, and there will still be kids getting sent away to places offshore for some behavior modification... I mean after all, illegal drugs must be illegal for a reason, right? That's why the government wants to protect us from them, right? Well then our kids (and our parents) should listen to the government since they always know what's best for us....don't they?
Does anyone really give a fuck? Or do you just like the attention you get for "helping the cause"?
Couldn't some of our time and effort be better spent?
side effects No Doubt !
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side effects No Doubt ![/quote] S.