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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 07, 2006, 07:10:06 PM
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Troubled Teen Programs (http://http://www.troubledteenprograms.org)
I have been working on a new website to provide useful information about troubled teen programs for parents. Some things I have found it hard to find is actual costs and financial aid/loan information which we have put up. We also put in an online chlid assessment test.
I was wondering if those of you who are or have had your children go to a boarding school if you would mind giving me your thoughts on the kind of information you are looking for that would be useful to put online. Any other suggestions are welcome.
Troubled Teen Programs (http://http://www.troubledteenprograms.org)
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I like the way troubled teens tries to guilt-trip parents into sending their kids to hell. After three minutes on that site, I felt ill. I wish the Earth would open up and swallow every one of the sadistic bastards.
I noticed comments are not allowed on this infomercial site. You guys must be as thin-skinned as your patron, George "Monkey Ass" Bush.
I wonder how W would feel about having two minutes to crap and being watched while he did it. I think they keep W full of Thorazine anyway, so he wouldn't be put out by that.
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Good lord, that "assessment test" is a joke! Most of those questions attach pathology to normal teen behavior.
Is your teen sexually active? Are they defiant? Jesus christ, are they a fucking teenager? Of course they are!
I took the test, and answered yes to what is considered normal teen behavior. I also answered no to more "destructive" behavior, like getting into trouble with the law, running away, or heavy drug use. I STILL got a "very high risk" score!
If you want a kid who meets these standards, go get yourself a fucking trained seal.
Seems like this is one of those "We're going to scare the shit out of you so you'll spend money." schemes.
I think I can safely say that it would be impossible for ANY teenager to pass that test as a "no risk". And if they did, I'd check their room to see if there is a giant seed pod in there.
What the fuck is up with parents, nowadays? Why have expectations of teens changed so drastically that people think they can just ship their kids away for normal teenage rebelliousness?
I'd take your poll, but there is no "this site should be shut down" option.
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hmmm... I wonder if they just want some publicity for their site and we are helping them... don't know why they would post that on an anti-treatment center site otherwise?
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Jesus fucking christ. WTF is wrong with these people???? I just "assessed" my now 21 year old using her behavior at 15 or 16. Not surprisingly she was assessed as "high risk"........
Situation: Your child?s behavior is becoming quite serious and is likely to get worse. Their choices show a lack of concern for consequences and their future. Their self-esteem has plummeted and their identity is based on a negative self-image. Because your child doesn?t value him or herself, they engage in risky behavior and seek approval from others at the expense of their own values. The environment your child has created for themselves reinforces their current set of choices.
Here's their recommendation.....
Recommendation: Your child needs intervention now before their behavior really gets out of control. Your child needs the opportunity to look at their life objectively in order to regain perspective on the choices they are making. Change is very unlikely to occur in your child?s current environment. A boarding school or residential treatment center can help them to learn self-discipline, regain their self-esteem, and discover who they really are. Click on one of the links at the top of this page to explore proven options.
I just love how they can diagnose and come up with a treatment plan all without ever talking to either myself or my child. :roll: :roll:
And "proven options"????? Sources please. I'd like to see what scientific research and long term studies you've got to "prove" anything.
Incidentally, this "high risk" child for whom "change is very unlikely to occur" and who "needed intervention now" is now starting her LPN course and well on her way to a wonderful life. She plans on getting her RN or ARNP and working in peds. You should have heard the grandparents (both sets of whom sent her parents to teen torture facilities as kids :wave: ) freaking out about her. Insisting that she was gonna DIE if I didn't send her away. What kind of a parent was I? :roll:
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Jesus fucking christ. WTF is wrong with these people???? I just "assessed" my now 21 year old using her behavior at 15 or 16. Not surprisingly she was assessed as "high risk"........
Situation: Your child?s behavior is becoming quite serious and is likely to get worse. Their choices show a lack of concern for consequences and their future. Their self-esteem has plummeted and their identity is based on a negative self-image. Because your child doesn?t value him or herself, they engage in risky behavior and seek approval from others at the expense of their own values. The environment your child has created for themselves reinforces their current set of choices.
Here's their recommendation.....
Recommendation: Your child needs intervention now before their behavior really gets out of control. Your child needs the opportunity to look at their life objectively in order to regain perspective on the choices they are making. Change is very unlikely to occur in your child?s current environment. A boarding school or residential treatment center can help them to learn self-discipline, regain their self-esteem, and discover who they really are. Click on one of the links at the top of this page to explore proven options.
I just love how they can diagnose and come up with a treatment plan all without ever talking to either myself or my child. :roll: :roll:
And "proven options"????? Sources please. I'd like to see what scientific research and long term studies you've got to "prove" anything.
Incidentally, this "high risk" child for whom "change is very unlikely to occur" and who "needed intervention now" is now starting her LPN course and well on her way to a wonderful life. She plans on getting her RN or ARNP and working in peds. You should have heard the grandparents (both sets of whom sent her parents to teen torture facilities as kids :wave: ) freaking out about her. Insisting that she was gonna DIE if I didn't send her away. What kind of a parent was I? :roll:
^^^^^ was me.
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I think it would be great if these schools would open up their books, and tell us where all the money was going. No more secrets.
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I think it would be great if these schools would open up their books, and tell us where all the money was going. No more secrets.
Into the glut of the owners, have you seen how much weight they have put on? They are eating rather well.
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My hypothetical child was making bad grades, lacked motivation with school and family duties, and had a history of lying.
That's it, Yes to three of thirty questions.
In other words, had a learning disability or maybe has vision problems or some medical problem that's affecting his academic performance.
Response:
Your Child's Score is: 5
Score Scale
1-8: Moderate Risk
9-18: Borderline Risk
19-34: High Risk
35-66: Very High Risk
1-8: Moderate Risk
Situation: The problems may be resolved by establishing clear rules and being consistent with enforcing those rules with effective consequences. Monitor your child?s behavior carefully know how they are spending their time. You may also want to seek family or individual counseling.
**NOTE** If your child scored as ?moderate risk? but you answered ?yes? to one of the following questions, you may still need to consider a residential placement: 3, 14d, 14e, 15, 18, 20, 21, 22, 28, 30.
Other important questions to consider:
How is your child's behavior affecting your work?
How is your child's behavior affecting your marriage, home and family?
Are you satisfied with the way things are?
Have your past attempts to get your child?s behavior under control been ineffective?
What outcome might you expect a year from now if you continue doing what you are doing?
Want to talk to someone about treatment options available to you?
Contact us today and see how we can help your son or daughter fulfill their fullest potential.
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I think it would be great if these schools would open up their books, and tell us where all the money was going. No more secrets.
Into the glut of the owners, have you seen how much weight they have put on? They are eating rather well.
They've put on more weight? Well, as true as that may be.....they could eat 24k gold bricks for the rest of their lives, and it wouldn't justify why these programs are so poorly run. I don't give a rats ass how much these guys weigh. I think it's ridiculous. Eat tons of coal and shit diamonds for all I care. But, these parents are being taken for a ride........the kids minds are getting even more screwed up, and it seems to me the only people benefiting are the owners. What the hell is going on?!!
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Why Choose One of Our Boarding Schools?
Cost ? Our schools provide the best value in the industry for the services provided.
State-of-the-art academics ? Our schools provide structured, individualized, competency-based education using the best computerized curriculum available. Oh, really?[/i]
Parent satisfaction ? 96.4% of parents who have a child that has graduated from one of our schools are happy with the results a year following graduation. well of course! They have their tame child creature (The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.
Source: "Ben Watson interviews Frank Zappa" October 1993 (Mojo Magazine) [/b]
Structured & supervised environment ? Our schools provide 24-hour supervision to ensure that your child is safe and secure.
Character development ? Students attend character development courses daily and intense 2-4 day seminars intermittently. LGATs or the like?[/b]
Student leadership ? Students have the opportunity to become leaders toward the end of their stay, thereby receiving the opportunity teach others what they have learned and further internalize what they have learned. Teens having power over other teens is dangerous, especially the kind of power these kids end up wielding[/b]
Warranty ? Our schools are so confident that they can produce a lasting change that they provide a warranty. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I'd love to see the warranty[/b]
Immediate placement/open enrollment ? Most of our schools can accommodate the arrival of a new student within 24-48 hours of your first phone call to us. Escorts?[/b]
Accelerated academics ? Our schools allow students to complete courses at an accelerated pace because of our year-round academic program and self-paced learning system. Are the schools accredited or is this another instance of worthless diplomas?[/b]
Graduated merit system ? Our schools provide incentives for students that encourage them to work hard in order to increase their privileges while gaining self-esteem.
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WWASPS repackaged. haven't we been expecting this for a while now?
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Well, I guess by not using the schools names....the parents are not able to investigate by internet first. They want to make sure that they contact you first, and get to you before the truth does. Will it work? Will they be able to sucker more parents in, yes. In the end.........the truth will come out. I just know it will. It has to, right? This can't go on!!!! I cringe at the thought this will all continue.
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Teens having power over other teens is dangerous, especially the kind of power these kids end up wielding
A-HEM.
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(Okay, Paul's last post was just TOO EASY if you know what he is)
Anyway, we've fish-fried this thing into the ground twice now. Fullmoon, if you're not just trying to stir up shit by linking that thing here, you're a complete moron for expecting anything else.
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They should include a Parent Assessment quiz with questions like:
1. Are you incapable of parenting your child?
2. If capable of parenting, are you tired of doing it and need a break?
3. Do you believe your child would have turned out better if you had done more spanking, punching, yelling, grounding, withholding food, and belittling when he or she was younger?
4. Does your child's behavior drive you to consume 5 or more ounces of alcohol each day? Note: one beer, one glass of wine or one mixed drink contains one ounce of alcohol.
5. Do you have at least $60,000 available in either home equity, retirement fund, or other liquid assets? If not, please speak to our very understanding loan officer.
Scoring:
If you answered yes to question 5, then your child is most likely an ideal candidate for one of our residential programs.
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Well, I guess by not using the schools names....the parents are not able to investigate by internet first. They want to make sure that they contact you first, and get to you before the truth does. Will it work? Will they be able to sucker more parents in, yes. In the end.........the truth will come out. I just know it will. It has to, right? This can't go on!!!! I cringe at the thought this will all continue.
Yes, sadly. Parental ignorance, fear and selfishness are the foundation of this entire industry. Sad, but true. Where is the class-action law suit against our parents? We blame the institution, and forget we were given into it willingly.
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WWASPS repackaged. haven't we been expecting this for a while now?
That's the first thing I thought of, too. Especially when I noticed the offshore campuses like Jamaica and Costa Rica. And what a surprise, several campuses in Utah. Damn crazy mormons and their whacked out sense of values.
But I agree, this person is just trying to stir up shit, because they know we are going to be pissed off about this. I can't possibly imagine someone would be stupid enough to ask for opinions about that kind of website on a forum like this.
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These people put their kid in for this. I thought most parents hoped for a kid who played nerdy computer games:
Bryan was a struggling 6'3"13-year old who didn't think much of himself. He began quitting sports, gave up on his grades and became more and more addicted to computer games and fantasy games like Magic and Dungeons and Dragons. We saw him withdrawing into his own little world. He was very depressed and isolated. We knew things would just get worse if we didn't take steps to assist him. So we began the process of placing our son in the program. The entire program is structured towards family healing. The time our son spent in the program turned out to be as valuable for his dad, Danny, and myself as it was for Bryan. Bryan is home now, and I can't possibly explain the joy he brings to his father and me. We laugh, play and cry together. This is the family I've always wanted. We aren't perfect, nor do we want to be. Being human is more fun! Bryan is loving, patient, respectful, powerful, kindhearted and truly the magical child I remembered him to be many years ago. If had to do it all again, I would! This has been the greatest gift we've ever received.
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Fiction. The odds of any 13-year-old playing D&D within the last decade is fairly close to nil.
I especially puke at the regressive fantasies at the end ("truly the magical child I remembered him to be many years ago."). Not happening, folks.
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These people put their kid in for this. I thought most parents hoped for a kid who played nerdy computer games:
Bryan was a struggling 6'3"13-year old who didn't think much of himself. He began quitting sports, gave up on his grades and became more and more addicted to computer games and fantasy games like Magic and Dungeons and Dragons. We saw him withdrawing into his own little world. He was very depressed and isolated. We knew things would just get worse if we didn't take steps to assist him. So we began the process of placing our son in the program. The entire program is structured towards family healing. The time our son spent in the program turned out to be as valuable for his dad, Danny, and myself as it was for Bryan. Bryan is home now, and I can't possibly explain the joy he brings to his father and me. We laugh, play and cry together. This is the family I've always wanted. We aren't perfect, nor do we want to be. Being human is more fun! Bryan is loving, patient, respectful, powerful, kindhearted and truly the magical child I remembered him to be many years ago. If had to do it all again, I would! This has been the greatest gift we've ever received.
Wow, a giant turd of newspeak centered around emotional programmie nonsense and trying to reduce the need for a program to a spiritual necessity!
They "just had to" do it, riiiiiight. I guess diagnosis and having to have a disease before being 'treated' and having the right to not be locked up in a program is just gone.
Im getting more and more fed up with the stupidity and ease by which people are emotionally manipulated in this nation.
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So they sent their kid away for being a geek?
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So they sent their kid away for being a geek?
No.
Thats MOST LIKELY something made up by a marketing guy, or a programmie fluent in newspeak trying to make up something that looks like a parent testimonial (though it reads too... boilerplateish to be a real testimonial) to justify sending a kid away for being a geek.
Why?
Cos there are lots of geeks and if their parents have money they want that money, and most geeks would be very compliant in a program.
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"Graduated merit system ? Our schools provide incentives for students that encourage them to work hard in order to increase their privileges while gaining self-esteem."
level 1 client: "pass the ketchup"
staffer: "NO!"
level 1 client: "Bathroom please"
staffer: "NO!"
level 1 client: "permission to fart"
staffer: "NO! That will be 50 cents fine and a CAT 4 if I hear/smell it!"
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"Graduated merit system ? Our schools provide incentives for students that encourage them to work hard in order to increase their privileges while gaining self-esteem."
level 1 client: "pass the ketchup"
staffer: "NO!"
level 1 client: "Bathroom please"
staffer: "NO!"
level 1 client: "permission to fart"
staffer: "NO! That will be 50 cents fine and a CAT 4 if I hear/smell it!"
I have yet to hear any explanation with any degree of adequatsy how any program, wilderness/bootcamp, or "emotional growth" anything can "instill" or create self esteem at all.
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This is so obviously fiction written by WWASPS marketing droids. No parent talks that way and the point was well made that no 13 year old in the last decade or so would be playing D&D.
Despite the fact that many parents are incredibly stupid, it's difficult to imagine a parent being SO stupid that when faced with the "facts" about the hypothetical 13 year old described, they would first choose a WWASPS program rather than real medical and/or mental health treatment. "Honey, junior is isolating himself and he's really depressed. Honey, junior is only 13 and he's already 6'3". Do you think we should take him to see a doctor?" "No, let's call WWASPS and have him locked up in a hellhole in some 3rd world country, or maybe a hellhole in Utah where some nice Mormon follks can beat some sense into the boy." "But honey, our insurance will probably cover real medical treatment, but it won't cover this kind of thing." "Oh never mind the money dear. What this boy needs is good old-fashioned child abuse."
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This is so obviously fiction written by WWASPS marketing droids. No parent talks that way and the point was well made that no 13 year old in the last decade or so would be playing D&D.
Despite the fact that many parents are incredibly stupid, it's difficult to imagine a parent being SO stupid that when faced with the "facts" about the hypothetical 13 year old described, they would first choose a WWASPS program rather than real medical and/or mental health treatment. "Honey, junior is isolating himself and he's really depressed. Honey, junior is only 13 and he's already 6'3". Do you think we should take him to see a doctor?" "No, let's call WWASPS and have him locked up in a hellhole in some 3rd world country, or maybe a hellhole in Utah where some nice Mormon follks can beat some sense into the boy." "But honey, our insurance will probably cover real medical treatment, but it won't cover this kind of thing." "Oh never mind the money dear. What this boy needs is good old-fashioned child abuse."
The funny thing is you cant socialize without making people fear you're *GASP* having sex or doing drugs, so you cant win.
Unless you have sane parents and/or poor ones.
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Sounds crazy, but a large percentage of the kids sent away to WWASPS never even did anything wrong. You would be horrified and amazed at how many kids are sent away for 'isolating' or 'non -compliance', which means talking back to a parent. I know a lot of parents think these places are filled with hooligans that need to be physically and emotionally beat down to keep them in line, but I believe that is not the case. I found the kids to be well grounded, thoughtful, and overall very mature, especially after their ordeal. You could say the opposite about program parents who will not listen to their child after they get out. They are some of the most self centered, immature folks I've ever met. Ironically, and paradoxically I find that maybe if the parents themselves had been through a similar program in their youth, they might not look upon them so favorably. I doubt this generation of program kids is going to be sending their kids away, it will be the kids who never heard of them, that think they are some great new age child therapy technique, not knowing it's been around a while now, simply being repackaged when convenient.
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Sounds crazy, but a large percentage of the kids sent away to WWASPS never even did anything wrong. You would be horrified and amazed at how many kids are sent away for 'isolating' or 'non -compliance', which means talking back to a parent. I know a lot of parents think these places are filled with hooligans that need to be physically and emotionally beat down to keep them in line, but I believe that is not the case. I found the kids to be well grounded, thoughtful, and overall very mature, especially after their ordeal. You could say the opposite about program parents who will not listen to their child after they get out. They are some of the most self centered, immature folks I've ever met. Ironically, and paradoxically I find that maybe if the parents themselves had been through a similar program in their youth, they might not look upon them so favorably. I doubt this generation of program kids is going to be sending their kids away, it will be the kids who never heard of them, that think they are some great new age child therapy technique, not knowing it's been around a while now, simply being repackaged when convenient.
Pretty concise.
And that brings up something - why is it strugglingteens is so busy trying to convince myself that 'entitlement issues' are something pathological and something to be 'fixed' (by force) at the expense of 6 figures, and you do that by taking everything away and imposing 'consequences' and forcing them to 'earn' things back.
That seems to be more about their own freudian bullshit being used by the programs for the sake of good marketing than any therapeutic necessity, or even anything useful for thier development.
How can these people hate their own kids so much? And how can you condone having a child kidnapped from thier bed and held captive in a mind-fuck prison over 'entitlement issues' that if exist are the fault of the parents? :roll:
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Honey, junior is only 13 and he's already 6'3".
That's exactly what I thought! Did the marketing execs just throw several darts at a "make a kid" board and write down the results?
"Okay, the kid is 9, has tattoos and piercings, built a meth lab in the basement, and got three DUIs."
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Isnt it Illegal to post made up testimonials? Even if it is not real, what parent would respond favourably to such marketing? Isnt being quiet and nerdy considered desirable. What else do 13 year olds do but skulk about the house playing computer games anyway?
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I am not sure if it is legal, or not? It's evil though isn't it?
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Not sure if the false testimonials are legal or not, but isn't child abuse illegal? Once these people are breaking that law, how much regard do you think they have for other laws?
The marketing dart board 'make up a child' example was hilarious! If ever there is a 9 year old who can make a meth lab in his basement, I say there's a kid who should be fast-tracked to an advanced degree in chemistry at a young age. That's a real talent that should not be overlooked!
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Troubled Teen Programs (http://http://www.troubledteenprograms.org)
I have been working on a new website to provide useful information about troubled teen programs for parents. Some things I have found it hard to find is actual costs and financial aid/loan information which we have put up. We also put in an online chlid assessment test.
I was wondering if those of you who are or have had your children go to a boarding school if you would mind giving me your thoughts on the kind of information you are looking for that would be useful to put online. Any other suggestions are welcome.
Troubled Teen Programs (http://http://www.troubledteenprograms.org)
You are trying to use century old techniques to address modern problems with our youth, hence your atrocious success rate. If familes want to get serious about solving problems they need to get involved. If I were to ever approch a program it would have to be something more like this one: http://homeawayfromhome.bravehost.com/ (http://homeawayfromhome.bravehost.com/)