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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 10, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
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See Press Release written by Isabelle Zehnder (CAICA) Dated 7/8/06
http://webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?SES ... &aId=16320 (http://webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?SESSIONID=&aId=16320)
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Recent boot camp closings in Florida, combined with new findings regarding the Columbine incident of 1999, are disturbing. Today, more than ever, desperate parents are seeking alternatives for their troubled children. At this critical time in our society it is important for families to know there is help. However, it is imperative that parents do their research prior to residential placement. CAICA aims to educate parents about the tough love and mental health industries which can be both confusing yet necessary.
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Does CAICA believe in forced treatment for adolescents?
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On 2006-07-10 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does CAICA believe in forced treatment for adolescents? "
What's up with the "hot off the press" press release? Like this is BREAKING NEWS, CAICA refers desperate parents to outfits like PURE and No Spank?
Fuck, why not just take out a billboard ad and put it up somewhere near St. George, Utah?
:rofl:
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On 2006-07-10 09:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-07-10 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does CAICA believe in forced treatment for adolescents? "
What's up with the "hot off the press" press release? Like this is BREAKING NEWS, CAICA refers desperate parents to outfits like PURE and No Spank?
Fuck, why not just take out a billboard ad and put it up somewhere near St. George, Utah?
:silly:
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Promoting yourself again?
How is the former owner of the program my daughter Michelle died in doing? Does she have her own website now too? Is she still referring children to programs for a fee? Are you referring children to programs? If so, what programs? Do you receive a referral fee? If so, how much PER CHILD, OR PROGRAM? Is this something you would be willing to disclose in your Press Release?
I just returned from Girls Camp. I was called to be Camp Director over 8 girls. We had a great time. Plenty to eat and drink. In fact, they reminded us constantly to drink plenty of water. Although we had ALL the water we wanted to drink, two girls did get a little dehydrated. Common sense is to drink plenty of water when out in the sun doing any kind of activity.
I believe that because of my experience with my older children having gone to our Church Girls Camp that I was easily duped by the woman who 'sold' me the Summit Quest Program for my daughter Michelle. Never in a million years would I have thought that people of my own faith would be involved in punitive, hitlarian programs. These programs are completely opposite to what I just experienced at Girls Camp.
I found pictures of Michelle and her sister Christina in the Zions Camp Scrapbooks of years past. I think Michelle was easily duped as well because of her positive experience at our Church Girls Camp.
It's not necessary to be harsh and cruel to children in an effort to see change come about. It's not necessary to lie to, kidnap, and send them away as if they were the sole problem within a troubled family.
I want ALL readers to know that SOME so-called Mormons are deceived into believing that what they are doing is in the best interest of the child and his or her family. They are playing God with Heavenly Father's Children. It is Satan who believes in forcing a person to do the right thing, NOT God! Whenever you think of the Mormons behind these types of programs, please know that these people of my same faith are troubled children themselves.
Sincerely,
Catherine Sutton
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Cathy - I saw the A&E show about Wilderness Camps yesterday. I had seen it before but hadn't remembered you posting here then. I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am for your loss.
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CAICA's "hot off the press" press release reads alot like PURE's (Sue Scheff's) recent one, announcing the redesign of her website which can be found on CAICA's news page.
http://caica.org/NEWS%20PURE%20results.htm (http://caica.org/NEWS%20PURE%20results.htm)
PURE referring to CAICA, CAICA referring to PURE.
::kiss:: ::kma::
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"What's up with the "hot off the press" press release? Like this is BREAKING NEWS, CAICA refers desperate parents to outfits like PURE and No Spank?"
What's the problem with No Spank?
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They don't tell us when they are going to repeat a program. I didn't know about A & E until after the show aired.
Thank you.
I spent 6 days at Girls Camp. There were days when I needed two showers, not just one. Yeah, we had hot running water!
The girls and I still came away from the experience having learned a lot.
After Michelle died, I would wonder how it would be if Gayle Palmer and Steve Cartisano were to hike up and over the same mountain that Michelle and the others were forced to hike up and over? Would they have survived?
Our Savior Jesus Christ does not ask anything of us that HE did not experience himself first.
Isabelle and Sue.............
"Before 'selling' another program to a desperate parent who is not thinking clearly, go through the program yourself first."
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Don't hear this as criticism. I have the deepest respect for you and your situation, but I don't think:
"Our Savior Jesus Christ does not ask anything of us that HE did not experience himself first."
is necessarily a good argument against what programs do or should do. Afterall, he was crucified. And for all intents and purposes, that appears to be what's happening in programs- children crucified for the 'sins' of their parents, society, staff.
I'm with you. I think parents and program owner's/staff should be marching step by step with the kids and subject to the same austere and abusive 'treatment' methods- limited calories, water, etc.
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Last I checked Jesus's crucifixion killed him, it didnt exactly help him. He just came back becuase hes the son of god and all. But your kids dont come back, theyre dead and gone forever.
But at any rate trying to use ANY religion to justify a program is a good way to completely destroy your credibility, unless youre selling programs to people who just sign off on any dotted line, as long as some snake oil salesman says "its for jesus" :flame:
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On 2006-07-10 11:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Don't hear this as criticism. I have the deepest respect for you and your situation, but I don't think:
"Our Savior Jesus Christ does not ask anything of us that HE did not experience himself first."
is necessarily a good argument against what programs do or should do. Afterall, he was crucified. And for all intents and purposes, that appears to be what's happening in programs- children crucified for the 'sins' of their parents, society, staff.
I'm with you. I think parents and program owner's/staff should be marching step by step with the kids and subject to the same austere and abusive 'treatment' methods- limited calories, water, etc."
The bible didn't write a single god damned thing about anything related to programs, except for false idols and false prophets.
HHHHHRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm....................
Guess Jesus tried to warn us to stay away from people who say they have all the answers, huh?
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My point with the Jesus anaology was that HE does not ask anything of us that HE himself has not already experienced.
I think Isabelle and Sue should experience the product they are 'selling' to parents firsthand, BEFORE SELLING IT!!
Christ suffered at the hands of HIS own people for greed. My Michelle died at the hands of her own people for greed. Through my experience in HOW Michelle died, I received my own personal witness of what our Savior Jesus Christ suffered.
I know in my heart that HE would not approve of what is happening to children in these programs.
Please do not use the name of my Lord and Savior in vain.
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NEWSFLASH:
Pure has a re-designed website and CAICA is expanding.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Remember the snakeoil salesmen who used to roll into town pitching their "miracle" cure to any fool who would listen?
What's changed?
Same thing going on everyday on the Internet and these not-for-prime-time infomercials (2-5 a.m.) selling miracle eye cream and thigh masters.
The troubled teen industry is a goldmine for people looking to make some easy money from an easy mark (parents). That's not going to change even with regulations. You can't legislate ethics or morality. All you can do is hope there are more "white hats" than black.
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I can only repeat what has been said:
Isabelle aligning herself and CAICA with Sue Scheff and PURE is very confusing.
It has been pointed out time and time again that Sue Scheff/Pure refers children to abusive programs for MONEY.
Sue Scheff has been supportive of the Sudweeks throughout the investigation for criminal child abuse, and continued to refer children to Whitmore Academy while the Sudweeks were being investigated for criminal child abuse.
Sue Scheff continues to support Cheryl Sudweeks as she awaits a criminal trial for abusing 4 children while they were enrolled at Whitmore Academy.
Isabelle's words that "Sue Scheff assits parents and offers resources to make better choices," seem empty, and raise many questions.
People have asked if Isabelle is going into the referral business, herself? Perhaps this is why the question has been asked over and over: Is CAICA a non-profit OR NOT? This question has never been answered. Nor has Isabelle revealed the member of her Board of Directors--if she does in fact even have a Board of Directors.
It appears that the almost constant NEW RELEASES of Sue Scheff's "friends" lately- seems to cause more conflict than they actual "INFORM anything actually newsworthy" in my opinion.
Even Isabelle should realize that professional Educational Consultants do not accept referral fees or payments from programs for "referring/sending clients to a program." Sue Scheff is paid directly by the programs; which is considered an unethical practice by Educational Consultants.
Isabelle uses the words "ASSIST and OFFERS" when describing the services that Sue Scheff provides.
This appears to be misleading to the public. Isabelle well-knows that Sue Scheff is paid, and paid well for the services she provides.
There are a lot of unaswered questions, still.
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...It has been pointed out time and time again that Sue Scheff/Pure refers children to abusive programs for MONEY...
I've read evidence that supports that claim very well. Same for CAICA. I have since removed PURE and CAICA from the "Resources for parents" section of my website as a result.
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My point with the Jesus anaology was that HE does not ask anything of us that HE himself has not already experienced.
I think Isabelle and Sue should experience the product they are 'selling' to parents firsthand, BEFORE SELLING IT!!
Christ suffered at the hands of HIS own people for greed. My Michelle died at the hands of her own people for greed. Through my experience in HOW Michelle died, I received my own personal witness of what our Savior Jesus Christ suffered.
I know in my heart that HE would not approve of what is happening to children in these programs.
Please do not use the name of my Lord and Savior in vain.
Oh, I see.
And no, I didnt use it in vain just then. I tend to when I wonder why the same people who shout it to sell themselves, and their ideas and services hurt so many people, who themselves cry out in vain for help at the hands of those very people who claim to carry out his work.
:-? and please dont give me a lecture, save it for those who are actually hurting those kids. I dont care to entertain it.
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I can only repeat what has been said:
Isabelle aligning herself and CAICA with Sue Scheff and PURE is very confusing.
It has been pointed out time and time again that Sue Scheff/Pure refers children to abusive programs for MONEY.
Sue Scheff has been supportive of the Sudweeks throughout the investigation for criminal child abuse, and continued to refer children to Whitmore Academy while the Sudweeks were being investigated for criminal child abuse.
Sue Scheff continues to support Cheryl Sudweeks as she awaits a criminal trial for abusing 4 children while they were enrolled at Whitmore Academy.
Isabelle's words that "Sue Scheff assits parents and offers resources to make better choices," seem empty, and raise many questions.
People have asked if Isabelle is going into the referral business, herself? Perhaps this is why the question has been asked over and over: Is CAICA a non-profit OR NOT? This question has never been answered. Nor has Isabelle revealed the member of her Board of Directors--if she does in fact even have a Board of Directors.
It appears that the almost constant NEW RELEASES of Sue Scheff's "friends" lately- seems to cause more conflict than they actual "INFORM anything actually newsworthy" in my opinion.
Even Isabelle should realize that professional Educational Consultants do not accept referral fees or payments from programs for "referring/sending clients to a program." Sue Scheff is paid directly by the programs; which is considered an unethical practice by Educational Consultants.
Isabelle uses the words "ASSIST and OFFERS" when describing the services that Sue Scheff provides.
This appears to be misleading to the public. Isabelle well-knows that Sue Scheff is paid, and paid well for the services she provides.
There are a lot of unaswered questions, still.
My best (and cynical) guess is Izzy is just getting in on the same racket Sue is - trying to gain credibility by being open about the fact that abuse happens, then selling themselves as people who can 'figure it out for you' (and still say the programs are effective at all, even essential in some cases!) to make a buck, but then not even go through with your own words and send them to whoever sends a referral kickback.
Thankfully, with the likes of us flabbering about it non stop, she shouldnt fool TOO many people. Unfortunately even one kid getting fucked up in a program is far too many.
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July 20, 2006
Ex-KidsPeace counselor admits to sex with teen
He will be sentenced in October on charges from incident at North Whitehall facility.
By Debbie Garlicki Of The Morning Call
A former KidsPeace counselor who had sex with a 16-year-old resident of the North Whitehall Township facility for troubled youths pleaded guilty Wednesday to institutional sexual assault and corruption of a minor.
Jerry J. McChristian, 34, who no longer works at the youth home, told the judge that he was ''pushed'' into having sex with the girl in August.
Lehigh County Judge Robert L. Steinberg asked him what he meant. McChristian, of 2106 S. Lumber St., Allentown, mumbled an inaudible response.
Steinberg noted that McChristian was an adult and the girl was a child and asked McChristian why he did not reject alleged advances by a teen girl who wouldn't have been at the facility if she didn't already have problems.
Whether or not the sex was consensual, the judge said, McChristian was over 18 and the girl was under 18 and having sex with her was an act that would corrupt a minor.
After Senior Deputy District Attorney Matthew Falk outlined the prosecution's case, the judge askedMcChristian whether or not he had sex with the girl. McChristian didn't answer and appeared reluctant to speak.
Steinberg told him that if he didn't want to plead guilty, a trial would be scheduled.
''I don't want a wishy-washy response from you,'' Steinberg told McChristian.
He asked McChristian again whether he engaged in inappropriate acts with the girl.
''I was pushed into it,'' said McChristian, who is free on bail. He was represented by attorney Michael Brunnabend of Allentown.
Falk said that on Aug. 10, the girl asked a KidsPeace staff member if she could make a telephone call. The girl got permission, and McChristian escorted her into a conference room where she made a call.
McChristian and the girl then had sex on the floor, Falk said. The girl reported the incident to someone at KidsPeace, who called state police.
Authorities tested evidence on a carpet in the conference room and found that DNA from the carpet matched McChristian's DNA, according to Falk.
Falk said he explained the negotiated plea to the victim, who is expected to testify at McChristian's sentencing hearing on Oct. 12.
The prosecution and defense agreed to a binding sentence of probation for the charge of institutional sexual assault, which is a third-degree felony. There was no agreement on the sentence McChristian will get for the corruption of a minor charge and no agreement on whether the sentences for the two charges will run consecutively or concurrently.
Corruption of minors carries a maximum sentence of 21/2 to five years in prison.
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Question for Isabelle - Are you aware that Kids Peace is a program PURE refers to according to the WWASPS v. PURE transcripts you have on your own website?
Does PURE still refer to Kids Peace? What do you know about this program Kids Peace? Any other news articles parents should be aware of?