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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 28, 2006, 05:48:00 AM
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Shouldn't we all be pissed off at our parents for sending us to Elan? Not AT Elan? I mean, Elan isn't all innocent or anything but really- they didn't ask for us to go there. They weren't sending your parents JUNK MAIL...."Problem Kids? Send them to us! We'll straighten them out! Either that or kick the shit outta them!"
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On 2006-06-28 02:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Shouldn't we all be pissed off at our parents for sending us to Elan? Not AT Elan? I mean, Elan isn't all innocent or anything but really- they didn't ask for us to go there. They weren't sending your parents JUNK MAIL...."Problem Kids? Send them to us! We'll straighten them out! Either that or kick the shit outta them!"
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Maybe you should,if your 12.But if by chance you are someone who actually has a life outside of being hateful.Maybe you should be grateful for what you have,not what you been through
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Maybe you should,if your 12.But if by chance you are someone who actually has a life outside of being hateful.Maybe you should be grateful for what you have,not what you been through"
You're full of shit. Thinking of Elan involves anger and there's absolutelly nothing to be greatful for. You sound like an Elan's staff member.
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On 2006-06-28 05:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Maybe you should,if your 12.But if by chance you are someone who actually has a life outside of being hateful.Maybe you should be grateful for what you have,not what you been through"
You're full of shit. Thinking of Elan involves anger and there's absolutelly nothing to be greatful for. You sound like an Elan's staff member.
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Perhaps I should type in caps for the mentally challenged that frequent this site. Elan was horrible,I harbor some anger from my days there. the operative word is WAS.As in the past,not today.Being angry all my life accomplishes nothing. I am Very gratefule for whom I have become,the things I have accomplished,the direction my life is headed.
Probably another concept you cannot grasp
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When you say "grateful" it sounds metaphysical. Be greatful to yourself and yourself only for your accomplishments. Maybe thank your friends, whatever! But it's OK to be angry when the subject is Elan (therefor, your past, not present). Identifying anger based on a past experience doesn't mean you haven't overcome your traumas. Anyways, it's positive to reflect about the past and it very much helps you to put your future in perspective. I have to agree with one of the Elan stupid sentences that they made us write in our stupid plaques: "Those who forget their past are dommed to relive it".
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On 2006-06-28 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When you say "grateful" it sounds metaphysical. Be greatful to yourself and yourself only for your accomplishments. Maybe thank your friends, whatever! But it's OK to be angry when the subject is Elan (therefor, your past, not present). Identifying anger based on a past experience doesn't mean you haven't overcome your traumas. Anyways, it's positive to reflect about the past and it very much helps you to put your future in perspective. I have to agree with one of the Elan stupid sentences that they made us write in our stupid plaques: "Those who forget their past are dommed to relive it"."
well said
I dont regret the past,nor wish to shut the door on it
read that somewhere
But really I am not angry any more... Sometimes sad,but not angry
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Honestly, for me personally, its a non-issue. Im not even really thinking about elan when im on the Fornits! As far as anger towards my parents, im sure they had anger towards me for some of the stuff I did. Elan kept them in the dark about what it was really like (anybody ever look at their website... and then laugh your ass off?) and I was probably deserving of getting sent '*somewhere* if not elan.
Heres another elanspeak plaque philosophy (look up the definition of philosophy and see if the word applied) - I cried when I had no laces, until I met a man on a bright LE... then I just laughed as I permenantly fucked up the bones in my feet
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Sometimes I think that elan really DID brainwash me and they did it so well it's taken me 15 years to realize it. And I can't be mad at elan or my parents, only myself for allowing all that crap to happen. [ This Message was edited by: outlaw on 2006-07-05 03:55 ]
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Don't regret the 15 years that passed, but be glad you've actually reflected about it and now you can see things from a rather different perspective.
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On 2006-07-05 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't regret the 15 years that passed, but be glad you've actually reflected about it and now you can see things from a rather different perspective. "
a much clearer,non forced perspective
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On 2006-07-05 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't regret the 15 years that passed, but be glad you've actually reflected about it and now you can see things from a rather different perspective. "
Yeah maybe I guess. What are you? Elan staff???
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Yeah maybe I guess. What are you? Elan staff???"
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Are u kiddin me? Just someone who's been there and back.
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Some just get it quicker than others....
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As if the Elan staff would tell us we were going through a brainwashing process...
No, I'm not an Elan staff (obviously ::bangin:: ), but at one point, I've come to the same conclusions as you. Only it took me less than 15 years to do so, but it really doesn't matter how long it takes and that was my point.
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pretty fucking weak ass pansy brainwashing if you ask me. effective, but not manchurian candidate effective... as far as we know
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brainwashing? silly wabbits, elan was a behavioral modification center.human beens follow the same rules applied to rats, dogs, and monkeys.
the animal man is a herd animal. if you put 1 sane man in a room with 50 raving psycotics, the sane 1 will start to exhibit the same symptoms as the crazy 1's, if isolated well and long enough.
you can use ominous words like brainwashing if it makes you feel better, but the reality is if your still hung up about elan, you were weak minded to begin with. once the controls are lifted, you are free to choose your own reality, and from the looks at this site, many chose to remain scumbags. :wstupid:
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It is a shame that immature kids were subjected to Elan. When I was there I saw some hold it together long enough to make coordinator and graduate. Years later these same "wonder kids" are doing horrible! Then I saw the "screw ups" leave Elan and actually do o.k. Vice-versa.
Brain washing? who knows. Some of us truly needed a kick in the ass way back when (still do!) Elan had some pretty unconventinal methods when it came to punishments. I remember Tania M. called my dad to try and put me in the ring! I was 15 or 16 at the time, my dad requested to speak to me to hear what was going on they refused (of course) so he said NO WAY! She was actually mad! Poor thing was blood thirsty.
It was really gross how they made people turn like rabid pit bulls during gm's and rings. All that nasty spit flying, bad breath, verbal abuse, ect.
Were we that bad as teens to deserve all that? Only you know.
There comes a time that people need to let go of Elan's influence on their emotional psyche.
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We were treated like lab rats because they've developted the same methodology they use with animals at laboratories. It's called behaviorism, you should look up an author called B. F. Skinner. There are many methods as far as "brainwashing", Elan merelly used one of them, but the term is correct.
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This is truly sad that we were subjected to Joe Ricci's experiment. Imagine a heroin addict, felon, wanna be mobster opening up a school for kids and actually getting approval for it?!?
Then all these state agencies and parents sending their minor kids to it!
WOW! No wonder.....
I guess that means any old freak can open a school and deem it for "behavior problems" and make a profit off our misery.
Only in the U.S of A kids.....All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary
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On 2006-07-07 11:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"brainwashing? silly wabbits, elan was a behavioral modification center.human beens follow the same rules applied to rats, dogs, and monkeys.
the animal man is a herd animal. if you put 1 sane man in a room with 50 raving psycotics, the sane 1 will start to exhibit the same symptoms as the crazy 1's, if isolated well and long enough.
you can use ominous words like brainwashing if it makes you feel better, but the reality is if your still hung up about elan, you were weak minded to begin with. once the controls are lifted, you are free to choose your own reality, and from the looks at this site, many chose to remain scumbags. :wstupid:
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Oh shut up!!
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On 2006-07-07 12:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is a shame that immature kids were subjected to Elan. When I was there I saw some hold it together long enough to make coordinator and graduate. Years later these same "wonder kids" are doing horrible! Then I saw the "screw ups" leave Elan and actually do o.k. Vice-versa.
Brain washing? who knows. Some of us truly needed a kick in the ass way back when (still do!) Elan had some pretty unconventinal methods when it came to punishments. I remember Tania M. called my dad to try and put me in the ring! I was 15 or 16 at the time, my dad requested to speak to me to hear what was going on they refused (of course) so he said NO WAY! She was actually mad! Poor thing was blood thirsty.
It was really gross how they made people turn like rabid pit bulls during gm's and rings. All that nasty spit flying, bad breath, verbal abuse, ect.
Were we that bad as teens to deserve all that? Only you know.
There comes a time that people need to let go of Elan's influence on their emotional psyche.
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I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.
Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time I would be myself.
Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.
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I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.
Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time I would be myself.
Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.
I know some others like yourself.Who have been very successful after Poland Springs.
I personally have struggled. But I dont think I would have it any other way. It seems the only way I know to learn. Though much less struggling these days,it took an awful long time to get where I am.
I too learned some things in Elan that have stayed with me a long time.Some good some not.I know that wheneverI come here and read some of the lunacy displayed,I cant help but be grateful for not being as bad off as some of those that frequent this site.Joking aside I truly feel sorry for them,but at the same time,am grateful to not feel the obvious pain that these alumni are in.
nooneinparticular
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On 2006-07-09 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.
Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time I would be myself.
Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.
I know some others like yourself.Who have been very successful after Poland Springs.
I personally have struggled. But I dont think I would have it any other way. It seems the only way I know to learn. Though much less struggling these days,it took an awful long time to get where I am.
I too learned some things in Elan that have stayed with me a long time.Some good some not.I know that wheneverI come here and read some of the lunacy displayed,I cant help but be grateful for not being as bad off as some of those that frequent this site.Joking aside I truly feel sorry for them,but at the same time,am grateful to not feel the obvious pain that these alumni are in.
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Take the good and leave the rest. No one said Elan's wonder kids were "doomed".Elan made us believe if you left without graduating you were doomed for life. Atleast in my day that was the message.
Regardless if you were a graduate or a stereotypical screw up the choice is now yours!
People come here to rant and rave. People will always be at odds here at Fornits.Some saw Elan for what it was and others make a choice to remain miserable for the duration. Some are doing great now and some not so great. Is that not human nature? In Elan or not you will find this. Like I said Take the good and leave the rest.
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On 2006-07-09 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.
Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time I would be myself.
Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.
I know some others like yourself.Who have been very successful after Poland Springs.
I personally have struggled. But I dont think I would have it any other way. It seems the only way I know to learn. Though much less struggling these days,it took an awful long time to get where I am.
I too learned some things in Elan that have stayed with me a long time.Some good some not.I know that wheneverI come here and read some of the lunacy displayed,I cant help but be grateful for not being as bad off as some of those that frequent this site.Joking aside I truly feel sorry for them,but at the same time,am grateful to not feel the obvious pain that these alumni are in.
nooneinparticular"
When were you in Elan wonder child?
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lol,, w8 just a sec here,a "wonder child",, at elan.because you didnt slash self,, or act out in a way that made trouble,or learned how not to shit yourself, i would think that puts you somewhere between a mindless automaton and a rhesus monkey. bet your parents are proud
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I'm going to ignore that last comment.
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Let me tell you something, elan doesnt teach kids dick! Sure they are in control of a natural teens out of control behavior, but we all grow up and eventially become adults. Elan is full of shit and so is it's stupid concept. The staff that work there, most of them went through the program themselves, and the only reason they are working there today is to get back and dish out what they were fed when they were residents.
But little do some elan employees know, that working there will eventially be the cause of their demise. Heart failure will be the culprit due to the high levels of stress they put their bodies through. And it wouldnt be unusual to see one person in particular drop dead of a heart attack during a GM.
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On 2006-07-10 03:49:00, Lila wrote:
"I'm going to ignore that last comment. "
so many trolls,with nothing better to do than harrass someone who shares info and/or something real.Are you new here? This is not a place where you can share anything of value,or be real.This is a place where one can coe to clean up the vomit spewed by the ka ka club.
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My client, Mister Pink believes that the behavior modification techniques incorporated into the elan program were not difficult to overcome, provided you entered the program after your sixteenth birthday and had a normally developed sense of self for your age.
As for the wonder kids, their sense of self appeared to be weaker than the defiant kids... a term thats somewhat of a misnomer. Normal would be more like it, to go along with the insanity there would make someone insane. To rebel against it would be only natural. I feel bad for kids under 15 who had no choice but to stick out out, but anyone 16+ and broke, or who stayed after 18 is what my client likes to refer to as a whore, and their coordinator position never meant anything, obviously.
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Of course you SHOULD ignore that comment, Lila, since it's depreciative. But I do, however, partially agree with it.
What do you mean by "elan wonder"? A passive person, someone who has no difficulty turning poeple in for their mistakes, someone who can fuction within this fucked up structure and deal well with authority?
I'm not saying wether you should or not follow the rules while in Elan, I mean, it does make you finish the program a lot faster without much confrontation. But I don't think you should be proud of it. Once you're out, it doesn't mean shit. The diploma I have it up on my wall means shit. I keep it to remind me that I used to be a drug addicted and I don't need to go down that path again. It's like a "remember hell?" type of thing. But it's just a fucking piece of metal with some reactionnary words with my name carved on it.
If we did learn good things in Elan it's because it is inherent to human beings the natural disposition of constatly learning new things from their environment. You must learn something in 2 years; in Elan, in college, at your parents'place, wherever!
Brainwashing is rather different than teaching. They've taught you to function, deal with authority, blablabla. But did they teach you anything deeper than that? Anything that made you develop you own perspective in life? Or was it their perspetive they've made you absorb?
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On 2006-07-10 11:27:00, Mister Pink wrote:
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My client, Mister Pink believes that the behavior modification techniques incorporated into the elan program were not difficult to overcome, provided you entered the program after your sixteenth birthday and had a normally developed sense of self for your age.
As for the wonder kids, their sense of self appeared to be weaker than the defiant kids... a term thats somewhat of a misnomer. Normal would be more like it, to go along with the insanity there would make someone insane. To rebel against it would be only natural. I feel bad for kids under 15 who had no choice but to stick out out, but anyone 16+ and broke, or who stayed after 18 is what my client likes to refer to as a whore, and their coordinator position never meant anything, obviously.
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I was 14 when I ended up in Elan. Thank Goodness I had a somewhat "normal" childhood or else I may of been more f*cked up than I ended up being!
I was 17 when I left Elan (36 months) did not graduate. I went home and was in a state of shock. I saw that what "Elan" was doing and teaching was not the norm amongst kids my age. I went to high school and was shell shocked. It took 6 months of therapy to re-program me. I say re-program because no matter how much you rebel against it "Elan" rubs off on you.
Someone mentioned in a earlier post (I am paraphrasing) something like if you put 1 sane person in a room with insane people the sane person will start showing signs of insanity. So true.
I stopped being "mad" at "Elan" long ago. I stopped blaming "Elan" when I was 18.
No doubt it was a rotten place with warped ways but I did not let it ruin my life.
The younger you were the harder it must of been.
I know of one of my peers who was the "house prize" and he graduated and ended up coming back!
Stockholm Syndrome or what?!?
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I don't think elan ever taught anybody anything, except for compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite (all of which are american dreams :wink: )
Now, one could argue these traits *would* actually prepare students for real life, but anyone making that argument would probably be borderline suicidal, depressed, and in charge of a very succesful corporation.
I don't believe that. I learned a few things from elan; the ability to read people better, how to stay under the radar, and tested and learned the strength of my mind among other things. I dont credit elan for these however, any number of otherwise stressful experiences could have instilled these tactical skills into me - and as useful as they are, I would trade them all to get back the time I lost.
Really, we didnt learn anything that we couldnt have learned on our own, elan just made it stick... in the sense that a leech sticks to your leg and sucks you dry :???:
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I don't think elan ever taught anybody anything, except for compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite (all of which are american dreams :wink: )
Now, one could argue these traits *would* actually prepare students for real life, but anyone making that argument would probably be borderline suicidal, depressed, and in charge of a very succesful corporation.
I don't believe that. I learned a few things from elan; the ability to read people better, how to stay under the radar, and tested and learned the strength of my mind among other things. I dont credit elan for these however, any number of otherwise stressful experiences could have instilled these tactical skills into me - and as useful as they are, I would trade them all to get back the time I lost.
Really, we didnt learn anything that we couldnt have learned on our own, elan just made it stick... in the sense that a leech sticks to your leg and sucks you dry :???:
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Maybe you should,if your 12.But if by chance you are someone who actually has a life outside of being hateful.Maybe you should be grateful for what you have,not what you been through"
You're full of shit. Thinking of Elan involves anger and there's absolutelly nothing to be greatful for. You sound like an Elan's staff member.
Thats not true.
most people dont even think about it.
grow up it wasnt that big a deal
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Of course Elan and the insanity that happened there WAS a "big deal".
It is how people are letting or not letting it effect their life.
To dwell on it forever is obviously stupid and does no one good what so ever.
You are right though it is time to move on from it.
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It's rather impressing how come some people seem to be incapable of interpreting people's thoughts, feelings and experiences from Elan. They've gotta come back with simplistic answers, such as "move on, grow up, get over Elan"... Their lack of senstiveness and racionality leads them to mechanical interpretations that turn every negative opinion into some sort of trauma. So in order to be recognized as "mature grown ups that got over elan", we can't criticize Elan or talk about anything that's deep. This logic is detached from reality and extremely superficial.
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People handle things in different ways. Some people who went to Elan did "good" there so they think Elan was all hunky dory.
They are making a choice to "forget" all the insanity. They seem not to remember joining in and terrorizing that resident who was having issues.
It amazes me how the ones who did "good" in Elan are the ones who tell us to grow up, move on, it taught me about real life, ect.ect.
NOT ALL OF THEM but most of them. I know someone will take offense at being called a goody 2 shoe Elan bot.
For those who did not graduate as a re entry or coordinator are no less than the graduates.
I hung out with 2 different Elan graduates, a year later one was arrested for a car jacking the other a heroin addict. I hung out with a Elan reject (like me) and he had a little computer business going on that was pretty lucrative.
Goes to show you just because your a graduate your not God and if your not a graduate your not a loser doomed for life!
I am not saying every single graduate is like this so if this post does not apply to you don't get in a huff.
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Excellent point. I hate it when I hear program people talk about how they're successful because of Elan or whatever other program. They may indeed be successful but they seem to be confusing causation and correlation. Most people who are deemed "troubled" really aren't. They may not be acting in a manner that parents like but it's all pretty normal and they eventually grow out of it. There is not one shred of proof that behavior mod. places do any good whatsoever but it's easy for the program robots to view it that way. It's just not so.
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Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.
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Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.
Yea, like you wouldnt brag if you won the lottery? Give me a break!
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Would you?
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Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.
Hmm why do I suddenly feel the need to defend myself?? Nah, why bother? To reveal my identity would be equal to crucifying myself. Trust me, I WAS a "wonder kid" but that doesn't mean much. It's not like I can put it on my resume or something!
It just bothers me that people that DID do well in Elan are portrayed as mindless robots. I don't know about you, but my entire time in Elan I did everything in my power to shine because I wanted to LEAVE. Now, I do everything in my power at my job to make MONEY. When you think about it, it's not all that different.
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Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.
Hmm why do I suddenly feel the need to defend myself?? Nah, why bother? To reveal my identity would be equal to crucifying myself. Trust me, I WAS a "wonder kid" but that doesn't mean much. It's not like I can put it on my resume or something!
It just bothers me that people that DID do well in Elan are portrayed as mindless robots. I don't know about you, but my entire time in Elan I did everything in my power to shine because I wanted to LEAVE. Now, I do everything in my power at my job to make MONEY. When you think about it, it's not all that different.
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People handle things in different ways. Some people who went to Elan did "good" there so they think Elan was all hunky dory.
They are making a choice to "forget" all the insanity. They seem not to remember joining in and terrorizing that resident who was having issues.
It amazes me how the ones who did "good" in Elan are the ones who tell us to grow up, move on, it taught me about real life, ect.ect.
NOT ALL OF THEM but most of them. I know someone will take offense at being called a goody 2 shoe Elan bot.
For those who did not graduate as a re entry or coordinator are no less than the graduates.
I hung out with 2 different Elan graduates, a year later one was arrested for a car jacking the other a heroin addict. I hung out with a Elan reject (like me) and he had a little computer business going on that was pretty lucrative.
Goes to show you just because your a graduate your not God and if your not a graduate your not a loser doomed for life!
I am not saying every single graduate is like this so if this post does not apply to you don't get in a huff.
Elan didnt teach me shit, nor was it in any way traumatic.
Real life is alot harder than Elan ever was .
If you thought being yelled at in a weird rythm by a bunch of retarded teenagers was "traumatic", youre a pussy.
Big Deal.
Bosses yell at you alot worse and when a boss yells, you lose money.
When the general meeting yells, you lose, umm...nothing.
"Terrorizing"??? Wow. Terrorizing is a husband who beats his wife and kids.
What elan kids do is , ummmm, nothing.
Graduating or not graduating elan is as inconsequential as all of the other stuff you all cry about.
Who cares who graduated and who didnt? Why are any of you even thinking about this place?
Elan was the easy way out. Going to a real high school and dealing with real problems is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy harder.
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If you guys thought elan was "traumatic" you would have KILLED YOURSELVES in the real world.
Like I said, I didnt 'learn anything' from elan, nor did i think it was hard.
If youre still thinking about it, youre either very bored and have nothing better to do or something is wrong with your heads that has nothing to do with elan.
Elan was a summer camp for retarded teenagers. You people who call it "traumatic" are the same people who if you had stayed in a normal high school would have been picked on and called high school "traumatic".
Toughen up lol.
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Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.
Thats not true. Different personalities handle things differently.
Some of the most successful, rich people I know are the biggest,
most obnoxious braggarts, and some are very humble.
Some people just have bigger mouths, some people just have smaller egos.
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In real life maybe the above post is true. But on this site it is not. People here are to busy tryin to be the big dog that they end up looking like retards in the end!
It is 110% true though some people have a more humble streak in them than others.
Why anyone who went to Elan and graduated wants to be proud of that though is beyond me.
That means you took part in the demeaning abuse of those that were not as good as you.
You helped to emotionally, mentally, verbally abuse adolescents!
That abuse has caused many kids to be traumatized for years after they left Elan.
Ever hear of PTSD?
Well, Elan and the jerks in it were the #1 cause of PTSD in alot of teenagers.
WOW! Lets be proud we were caught up in a mob mentality.
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When I was in Elan I did not participate 1 freakin time in the GM's or encounter groups. I was not there very long.
I just could not grasp the concept of screaming degrading things at someone. I did not see how that was therapy.
Still don't.
Thank the good Lord I was pretty ok when I finally left Elan.
I had mild PTSD that therapy and meds took care of by the time I was 18.
Now I am a-ok and wonder this, how many of you Elan Graduates still have your diplomas hanging up? :rofl:
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I could not agree more - there will always be those hamsters who keep chasing that damned carrot in front of them, not realizing they're on a friggin treadmill. When and if that realization does hit them, they stop running, and the inertia propels them into the opposite wall, causing traumatic damage to their little hamster bodies. Remember that when you wake up screaming 'House in the Dining Room' and find said hamster gnawing at your genitals. Many have been there, and trust them, it is no fun.
However, if I ever see an elan diploma hanging on any wall, anywhere, I will give the occupants a 10 second headstart, in addition to the four minutes, 22 seconds it will take me to run to the gas station and purchase a 5-gallon tank and fill it with a mixture of motor oil and 87 octane gasoline and some strike-anywhere matches. Much like each of your lesbian mothers, it will not be pretty.
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Ok, so let me get this straight.... all of thoese people that played the game...you actually BELIEVED that they were actually like that??? Besides, everyone played the game in order to avoid a "VR" or worse. If you didn't get that and actually believed that people who played the game did so willinigly then I think you're a little naive!!
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You people sound nuts lol.
The normal kids just did what they were told to get out faster.
Thats why the normal kids DONT THINK ABOUT THIS SHIT ever.
why are you people even THINKING about this?
It was like a summer camp where they made you clean shit.
Get over it. Freaks.
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No one believes the so called normal kids were really like that. It was just very sad to see people get yanked into mob mentality. Poor
youngsters. Of course people think about Elan! It was a horror show! No wonder people left to become crack heads/junkies/freaks/transvestites/car jackers/dead from od's/rapists/suicide commiters and those were the graduates!!
That place fcked everyone up! I like to vent here and only here cuz it is better than letting it come out IRL. Besides this place is good for me. I get to laugh my ass off at others more unfortunate than I.
I realize that my life is actually pretty damned good when I see what others here are doing!
That said, now I get to see what pearls of wisdom BCK left for us today.
Get over yourselfs BTW. Stop trying to defend your actions in Elan if you were a prick who helped torment and abuse other kids so be it. After all your an adult now right? It is a-ok to have no conscience what so ever about those sins committed against others right?
I felt pretty shitty every time I "ganged" up on someone cuz I needed to get off a shotdown or break a so called contract I had. I lost some cool pals cuz Elan and the freaks in it deemed it a contract. Goddamned Expeditors and their clipboards! See thats all you gotta do creeps. I admitted it. Why do you always say I did what I had to do. So did I loser. I feel bad for being one of the jerks though. You don't. That is why I said you have no conscience.
Geeze. I bet your life is oh so wonderfull now anyway. Your only here to let us know were losers right?
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Actually my life sucks but I'm sure it's grand compared to yours!! Ha ha. Just kidding!! ::bwahaha2::
I feel bad for buying into the elan program but what choice did I have? Did I want to be one of those people that ends up being there for 3 years? Hell no!!!
The way I see it you had to play their game regardless if you agreed with it or not. Even if you thought it was run by the devil you still had to play along. After awhile you started to believe it and it wasn't until years later that you looked back and saw it for what it was. Anyway, Elan is just a tiny speck on the map and so unimportant in the grand scheme of things. I can't disagree with 90% of the people on this site though, it's a fucking hole and needs to be shut down. They are out of their fucking minds!!
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No one believes the so called normal kids were really like that. It was just very sad to see people get yanked into mob mentality. Poor
youngsters. Of course people think about Elan! It was a horror show! No wonder people left to become crack heads/junkies/freaks/transvestites/car jackers/dead from od's/rapists/suicide commiters and those were the graduates!!
That place fcked everyone up! I like to vent here and only here cuz it is better than letting it come out IRL. Besides this place is good for me. I get to laugh my ass off at others more unfortunate than I.
I realize that my life is actually pretty damned good when I see what others here are doing!
That said, now I get to see what pearls of wisdom BCK left for us today.
Get over yourselfs BTW. Stop trying to defend your actions in Elan if you were a prick who helped torment and abuse other kids so be it. After all your an adult now right? It is a-ok to have no conscience what so ever about those sins committed against others right?
I felt pretty shitty every time I "ganged" up on someone cuz I needed to get off a shotdown or break a so called contract I had. I lost some cool pals cuz Elan and the freaks in it deemed it a contract. Goddamned Expeditors and their clipboards! See thats all you gotta do creeps. I admitted it. Why do you always say I did what I had to do. So did I loser. I feel bad for being one of the jerks though. You don't. That is why I said you have no conscience.
Geeze. I bet your life is oh so wonderfull now anyway. Your only here to let us know were losers right?
You people are nuts lol.
Nope-
Some of us took a look at this board to see if anyone we knew had posted, a natural curiosity.
Some of us liked a couple of people we cohabitated with.
My life is fine as are the lives of the very few other people
who think you kids are bored to death and have nothing better to do than feel sorry for yourselves about a wrinkle in time that really wasnt that bad.
maybe if you came out of the basement and joined the real world you'd find that Elan was no big deal.
Who knows.
Maybe my experience was SOOOOO different than al of yours that
it seemed like summer camp to me.
(facetious)
"Of course people think about Elan! It was a horror show! No wonder people left to become crack heads/junkies/freaks/transvestites/car jackers/dead from od's/rapists/suicide commiters and those were the graduates!!"
Ummmmmmmm
Crack head? Junkies? Freaks? Dude-
Most of us left, grew up, finished college, got jobs and DID NOT partake in any of the sordid shit you seem to think we did.
Only the people who were headed for that shit BEFORE elan
ENDED UP doing it.
*shrugs*
I guess it's true;
some of us didnt belong there or need to be there so we just did what we had to do and left.
The ones of you who DID need 'help' are the ones who ended up
crack head hookers, or whatever it was you suggested everyone did.
I, for one, had only the average rebellion any teenager would have
(with or without Elan)
after I left.
That only lasted about a year.
You're really wrong when you generalize and assume that everyone ended up doing awful things.
Like I said-
If you ENDED UP in shit, you likely were IN SHIT before Elan.
Elan didnt fuck you up, you were fucked before you got there.
You really need to grow up. A root canal is worse than Elan.
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Lets put it this way I was 14 when I entered Elan 3. I was not doing what I ended up doing as an adult. I did not have the knowledge of that lifestyle yet. I was 1/2 good in Elan 1/2 bad. Not what you would call a success story by any means. I will never say that Elan was to blame 100% for the way my life ended up in my early 20's.
It was a messed up place. No one would argue that.
I despised it nearly every second I was there. A few times I had fun. Like skiing, camping, deep sea fishing, canoe trip, ect. Those were the few good times. Few and far between!!
Now at 30 I have a little business cleaning houses which is lucrative enough for me. I am no longer doing drugs. I am happy as can be.
I sometimes wish I did better there in Elan and other times I figure hey it happened as it was meant to happen.
No regrets, no blame. Right?
Regardless Elan was a learning experience for me. One I'd never wish upon another. But everyone is entitled to their oponions right?
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A root canal is worse than Elan
im tempted to say only if your dentist studied at the auswich school of dentistry,but some of you wouldnt get the joke.so i wont
ill just say be thankful you went to your summer camp, dont belittle those that didnt, you know not what you speak
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Whats not to get?
Either hi yuh yuh yuh therapy or the corner.....
Its your choice, you decide your fate at Elan.
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Yep. Nothing like being 14/15 years of age and being taught Elans kill or be killed therapy.
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I guess those of us in Elan in the 90's were lucky compared to the others before us. I bet it was a "summer camp" for us.
I remember some of the people who were above me and who treated me like shit cuz I was not up there in the dichotomy with them. Maybe if Elan was like it was in the 80's they would not of been so smug and high and mighty. It is so far behind me now but when my mind wanders to that time in my history I do love thinking evil thoughts about those people who seemed to cream their pants when they got to "punish" one of us less than's.
I often wonder though would I of been a jerk to people lower than me if I was high up in the dichotomy? Who knows. I always was a champion for the under dog.
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Youz iz all weak azzd mutha fuckaz! I be abuzed moe than them navie sealz!