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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 27, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
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KANAB, Utah (June 16, 2006) ? Kerry Layne Brown (Layne) died on June 6, 2006, at the age of 24. Layne was born on November 21, 1981. Layne was under a doctor?s care following his imprisonment at Tranquility Bay Academy when he was only 15 years of age. Layne, a central character in the 2006 documentary The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay, will not be forgotten.
WWASP employee Randall Hinton publicly admitted to pepper-spraying 15-year-old Layne Brown in the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP). Hinton said the pepper-spraying ritual occurred two or three times a day for about eight months of Layne?s life.
According to medical doctors and Layne?s mother, Layne suffered from post traumatic stress after being released from the care of WWASP, requiring repeated hospitalizations.
Layne?s tormentor, Randall Hinton, admitted, "From somebody on the outside look?en in, I would say it would be abusive. . . .Restraints could be used, mechanical devices could be used, pepper-spray could be used to gain control of your child. It?s just a job that helps people."
Congressman George Miller and others are working to enact federal laws to regulate the proliferation of dangerous children?s programs. So far, Congressional hearings have been denied, while reports of child abuse and death in unregulated children?s programs increase.
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Fuck. How many times are we going to read of another suicide after being treated like shit in a lockup for profit?
Cue the trolls who are going to argue "he didnt die in the care of wwasp so they are not responsible". You know, the same soulless fucks who troll the RIP threads here. Well, here's a pre-emptive ::fuckoff:: to you trolls.
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Wonder how much additional stress was piled on this young man by his "central role" in this money-making French Documentary? Seems like these kids just keep being used.
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Is this for real? If so, how come there are no other reports either in the media or posted on the anti-wwasps survivor run websites, especially the TB ones?
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On 2006-06-27 12:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wonder how much additional stress was piled on this young man by his "central role" in this money-making French Documentary? Seems like these kids just keep being used."
I was wondering the same thing. That kid looked seriously messed up. ::noway::
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IS this for real???
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Perhaps the poster is confused? Carter Lyn, whose parents sent him to TB for smoking a joint on a church trip, hung himself not long after he gave that interview to the Miami Times.
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If Buzzkill is around, she can usually lay to rest any unfounded rumors and I'm certain she would know whether this is true or not.
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Nothing on CAICA's death list but Isabelle doesn't get her facts straight anyway:
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Corey William Murphy 17 years old
3/21/2000 WWASP - Spring Creek Lodge Suicide while at the program
Read the powerful article about his
death (right)
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Corey Murphy shot himself at home. It's right there in the "powerful article" she referenced.
:roll:
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I'll see what I can find out - I did not know this - I have not heard about it - I am shocked and very upset.
I will cal his mom right now. . .
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PLEEEZZZE leave Izzy and CAICA out of the rumor mill.
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It is true.
It wasn't suicide or foul play.
He had an enlarged heart and it is thought that this is propbably what killed him. The ME's report isn't in yet. I'm told his mom called him around noon and he seemed fine. When she got home from work around 6 he had died.
This is such sad news - Layne was a very sweet kid - I liked him a lot.
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Well, considering how many kids do kill themselves AFTER getting out of a program, or being threatened with being sent back to one, that we DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT, it's important to at least get the facts straight so as to underscore the reality of the damage these programs can do long after the kid gets out.
Parents need to know their children can get seriously depressed and suffer from PTSD when released from these hell holes, not just think everything is A-OKAY.
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On 2006-06-27 15:15:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"It is true.
It wasn't suicide or foul play.
He had an enlarged heart and it is thought that this is propbably what killed him. The ME's report isn't in yet. I'm told his mom called him around noon and he seemed fine. When she got home from work around 6 he had died.
This is such sad news - Layne was a very sweet kid - I liked him a lot.
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OMG, thank you so much BK. Can you find out where one would send flowers or their condolences? I hope someone will start a thread on one of the TB forums. Layne was a brave kid. He will not be forgotten.
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Thank you, Karen.
That is very sad, for this mom to loose her son; and for the untimely death of this young man.
Appreciate you letting everyone know what happened.
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© In Memory and Honor of Kerry Layne Brown (1981 ? 2006)
On Gaining Control of C H I L D R E N in America . . . .
http://www.paulareeves.com (http://www.paulareeves.com)
By Paula Reeves
CONTACT: http://www.paulareeves.com (http://www.paulareeves.com) All rights reserved. The material in this article may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed without the written consent of the author. paulareeves@paulareeves.com
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© In Memory and Honor of Kerry Layne Brown (1981 ? 2006)
On Gaining Control of C H I L D R E N in America . . . .
http://www.paulareeves.com (http://www.paulareeves.com)
By Paula Reeves
CONTACT: http://www.paulareeves.com (http://www.paulareeves.com) All rights reserved. The material in this article may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed without the written consent of the author. paulareeves@paulareeves.com
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So Paula wrote that?
Thats why Google news had no record of it I guess.
Ya know Paula - it would have been considerate if you had let people know about this sooner. Logging onto Fornits and finding news like this is very upsetting - I mean, a lot of us knew Layne - liked him - cared about him. . .
If you knew this, and with held the information so you could scoop the forums - well, if that is what you did (and that is how it looks) it is deplorable.
I know you are pissed at me. But you could have overlooked it long enough to tell me something as significant as this. I would never have left you out of the loop if I had this kind of information. You could have had someone tell me if you felt the task to disagreeable.
I would like to have been able to send flowers - a card - something -
I know I am not alone in feeling this way.
I'm very deeply hurt.
Bitchen me out and calling me stupid is one thing. With holding information like this is something else entirely.
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WOW,
Exploiting a young man's death, to add a penny to the DOCUMENTARY TILL??? Is that what this was all about?
Why not just announce that a young man died?
So people who cared about this family could send flowers...letters to this mother...something nice and caring?
Why hurt people in such an uncaring way?
This is beyond belief.
And who got hurt? Layne Brown's mother. She probably wondered why people like Karen--who knew her son and cared about him, didn't contact her, didn't call, didn't send flowers, etc.
IF this was done to get some FORUM SCOPE...and it appears that it MAY have been: the initial posting has some the same "wording" as this PAULA REEVES deal....THEN SHAME ONE YOU, Paula Reeves, ESQ...SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That has to beat all.
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This is absolutley pitiful.
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Buzzkill,
I am sincerely sorry that someone, Paula Reeves, that you at one time considered to be a friend, treated you in such a way--since she was aware that you knew and cared about this young man, Layne Brown, and his family.
Most people would have announced this young man's death in a more refined, respectful manner.
And, you are not a "stupid person."
You are greatly admired, repected, and supported.
I am sorry for your personal pain.
I regret that Layne Brown's death was announed a a mere connective to the "anti-wwasp" movement. I am certain that his life held much more meaning to everyone who loved him, cared about him, and who miss him.
Joyce Harris
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Karen,
I don't often post here, but I cannot stay silent on this issue.
I, like you, saw this on Fornits this afternoon, a few hours ago. I couldn?t believe it was true so I posted ?IS this for real?? But I had to call Terry. I wondered if this was some sort of sick joke or something when I couldn?t find it on Yahoo, Google, anywhere.
Unfortunately it was true. Like Karen said, they don?t know all the answers yet.
It is bad enough that this had to happen to someone many of use knew and were close to, but to find out weeks after he died on the internet when someone we all know knew about it and didn?t bother to tell us? I just can?t believe that. It is truly disturbing.
I am very sorry for Layne and for his family. What he had to endure during his stint at WWASP is more than anyone should ever have to endure. I hope that some way, some day that justice will be served.
I think that today, everyone should put their differences aside, and take time to remember Layne for he was truly a wonderful human being. His family deserves our respect.
Isabelle
Isabelle
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Paula Reeves capitalizing on Paula Reeves - how dare she use this death - Karen Burnett made a valid point, so did Izzie. Screw Paula. I too was friends with Terry, I too knew Layne - I'm outraged that Paula is exploiting a young man's death - one we all knew. ching, ching!! I hope not, it's disturbing what else can I say?
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Hold on here - CAICA is a PURE supporter, PURE was part of that documentary as was Paula Reeves?
This doesn't make sense at all. Is there some sort of problem between these three?
BK - you are the best! Thanks for calling Layne's mom and letting us all know what was going on. You haven't been around lately but I'm glad you answered "the call" for help, as you often do. (((HUGS)))
Blessings to the Layne family for their loss and also to the family of Carter Lyn who died on June 7, 2006. Sadly, no mention of this young man's death on Paula Reeves website. He was a former TB inmate as well.
R.I.P. Layne and Carter
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EYE OPENER: Maybe Isabelle may be seeing what is really going on here with Sue Scheff/ PURE and Paula Reeves, finally?
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Paula capitalizing on Paula! What is her SUDDEN interest in helping kids? BuzzKill is not the only one that has been humiliated by her. Paula used to tell us not to use her name and never wanted anyone to know anything about her. Her website used to give an 850 phone number (Florida) but most people know she moved to Michigan - shhhh it's a secret. Still not being honest? But let's exploit a death for personal attention. I would say she is a Capital BITCH. Hey - I have talked to her, she is. Click.
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SUDDEN INTEREST??? How about teaming up with Sue and $$$$$$$$$$$$
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On 2006-06-27 16:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Paula capitalizing on Paula! What is her SUDDEN interest in helping kids? BuzzKill is not the only one that has been humiliated by her. Paula used to tell us not to use her name and never wanted anyone to know anything about her. Her website used to give an 850 phone number (Florida) but most people know she moved to Michigan - shhhh it's a secret. Still not being honest? But let's exploit a death for personal attention. I would say she is a Capital BITCH. Hey - I have talked to her, she is. Click."
I just hope the anti-wwasps survivors and parents doesn't forget 2 children who were once at TB are now dead, for different reasons, but none the less, gone.
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
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Well, the "tag team match" did need CAICA for a bit of credibility. Isn't that maybe why all their interest in Izzy and Ca-Ca?
Strange turn of events teaming up with CAICA, really. Especially when just a few months ago it has been said that Sue was advising, no more like demanding, that Cheryl Sudweeks at Whitmore sue Caica!
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Hey everyone that knows Paula - how many times did she tell you to DELETE DELETE DELETE all her emails!!! Hey - when people tell me to DELETE I SAVED SAVED SAVED!!!! Guess what Paula - most of us have all your EMAILS!!!!!!
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Yes, kids are dying and we need to remember that. Enough said here, time to reflect about Layne, time to support his family.
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Give it a rest, Paula.
You can not longer capitalize on this young man's death.
Your little game is over.
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Perhaps we should start a new thread, dedicated to Layne's memory--since this thread on Layne Brown started out so wrongly by MS ESQ.
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ANON, Mom Cat or Izzie
Nobody is disrespecting Layne's family, but rather, expressing an opinion about finding out the way they did about the death of someone they cared very muvh about and considered a friend.
Can you see the difference?
Karen called his mom, for pete's sake, and how do you think she must have felt to confirm the tragic news that Layne has passed away the first week of June more than 20 days ago?????
Somebody posted the news on Fornits, with no link to any resource, leaving people wondering if this was some kind of bad joke.
Well, thanks to BK, we know it's not, and she can hardly be considered disrepectful of the Layne family.
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On 2006-06-27 17:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes, kids are dying and we need to remember that. Enough said here, time to reflect about Layne, time to support his family. "
And just how do you propose we do that? Maybe Karen can help us, since she was kind enough to make that difficult call in the first place.
Karen, f you are reading and have some suggestions about what people can do to send their condolences, flowers, cards, etc. it would be most appreciated.
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On 2006-06-27 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, the "tag team match" did need CAICA for a bit of credibility. Isn't that maybe why all their interest in Izzy and Ca-Ca?
Strange turn of events teaming up with CAICA, really. Especially when just a few months ago it has been said that Sue was advising, no more like demanding, that Cheryl Sudweeks at Whitmore sue Caica!
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:scared: :scared: :scared:
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Well, to be honest - I am not sure what to suggest.
I do have an address for his family - but I can't be putting that on an open forum. Its to late for flowers to the funeral. I just don't know.
I will see if his family has any favorite charity.
I did of corse mention if there was anything I could do -
All she said was get wwasp . . .
Maybe we will eventually find a way to actually hold them accountable. I told her we were trying.
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On 2006-06-27 17:30:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"Well, to be honest - I am not sure what to suggest.
I do have an address for his family - but I can't be putting that on an open forum. Its to late for flowers to the funeral. I just don't know.
I will see if his family has any favorite charity.
I did of corse mention if there was anything I could do -
All she said was get wwasp . . .
Maybe we will eventually find a way to actually hold them accountable. I told her we were trying. "
A charitable donation would be a nice way to remember Layne. Did he participate in any of the anti-wwasps survivor or parent-run forums where one could make a donation in his name? What about this documentary? Can they donate to a scholarship or something in Layne's name?
T.I.A.
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Gotta be kidding. Look at all the PUSH PUSH PUSH for this documentary. It's all about lining Sue Scheff and maybe even Paula Reeve's pocket books.
Look at the deplorable way this young man's death has already been exploited. First thing out of Paula's mouth is mention of this boy's role in the documentary. $$$$$$$ but not for this young man's memory or his family, count on it.
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© In Memory and Honor of Kerry Layne Brown (1981 ? 2006)
On Gaining Control of C H I L D R E N in America . . . .
http://www.paulareeves.com (http://www.paulareeves.com)
By Paula Reeves
CONTACT: http://www.paulareeves.com (http://www.paulareeves.com) All rights reserved. The material in this article may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed without the written consent of the author. paulareeves@paulareeves.com
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Think she likes seeing her copyright symbol or what?
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"Someone posted the news on fornits with no links to any resources....."
And just who do you think that someone WAS?
Look at the words in the original post, and compare it to the words in Paula Reeves ESQ's little copyrighted feature. WORD-FOR-WORD it is obvious who made the orginal posting, OR where the orginal posting originated.
The woman lacks any class, common sense, or feelings for this family.
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It was just a copy/paste - all that was done was someone saw it on Paula's site, and did a copy paste.
Could have been anybody.
Lets not fight anymore about the hows and whys and whens of the "notice".
Its a sad enough thing as it is, with out the flame wars.
Please let us all let it rest.
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On 2006-06-27 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Someone posted the news on fornits with no links to any resources....."
And just who do you think that someone WAS?
Look at the words in the original post, and compare it to the words in Paula Reeves ESQ's little copyrighted feature. WORD-FOR-WORD it is obvious who made the orginal posting, OR where the orginal posting originated.
The woman lacks any class, common sense, or feelings for this family."
Well, it's kinda weird, that's for sure. Why not just post the link and be straight up about it? Maybe the backlash wouldn't have been so critical.
I'm just really sad that Layne is gone and wish that parents with kids in these programs (WWASPS and others) would just wake up and bring their kids home. Where they belong.
Enough of this madness.
:sad:
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Yea, and for a couple hours, or so, posters kept asking: IS THIS TRUE? etc...etc.
That was just wrong, to leave people hanging, and wondering if it was a sick joke or something.
It was no simple mistake. It was PURE hype.
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Has anyone given thought to the idea that maybe Laynes mon didnt want peopel to know. Maybe she is mourning in her own way.
The quick to judgement may not be appropriate.
It was Layne's mother's call to share with others about his death. There may be reasons behind the silence.
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No, we don't know, do we?
Don't know WHEN Paula Reeves was to share her copyrighted information, now do we?
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So what do people need to do to share this news? Publish the link to PRDOTCOM or can they write their own announcement (ya know, in their own words???)
Jeez, if there is a "logical" explanation to this, I hope someone will write a press release to enlighten us because I am totally confused now. When's the next bus to la-la-land?
:silly:
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How very very cute.
Sure, Paula can write a press release. She's real good at that. Can throw in a "ad" for the ole documentary, too and link to PURE while she's at it. Might pick up a referral or two!
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You can ask the author for permission to publish, reprint, etc.
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Are we still referring to WWASP on the side?
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God Help Us All, if this is what it's come to.
::mecry:: 4 Shame Dot Com
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On 2006-06-27 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"God Help Us All, if this is what it's come to.
::mecry:: 4 Shame Dot Com"
Psst .. I checked, this domain name is available if someone wants to park it for future use. Might be a good idea.
:idea:
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So is: Shame on you Paula Reeves.com
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2SueSueScheff.com is already taken I heard.
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On 2006-06-27 17:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ANON, Mom Cat or Izzie
Nobody is disrespecting Layne's family, but rather, expressing an opinion about finding out the way they did about the death of someone they cared very muvh about and considered a friend.
Can you see the difference?
Karen called his mom, for pete's sake, and how do you think she must have felt to confirm the tragic news that Layne has passed away the first week of June more than 20 days ago?????
Somebody posted the news on Fornits, with no link to any resource, leaving people wondering if this was some kind of bad joke.
Well, thanks to BK, we know it's not, and she can hardly be considered disrepectful of the Layne family.
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Anon,
Go back and read my post to Karen - I am not criticizing her in any way, I called Terry and I had to confirm the news the same way Karen did after seeing this on Fornits. In fact, Karen and I called probably moments of each other. I thought this was some sort of sick joke when I could not find anything about his death on Yahoo or Google, so I ran and called Terry and found out it was true.
I was just as appalled as Karen that we had to find out this way. It is true that the family may have wanted it kept quiet for a while. But please.
Paula has a memorial on her website - so the family must have agreed that she announce it on the internet. At least I would hope so. If that's the case, then Paula knew others would soon find out. In my opinion, that is when she should have put aside any feelings and called, or e-mailed us, and let us know about this tragedy - not let us find out this way.
Many of us knew Terry and Layne and many of us care deeply for them. Layne suffered so much and many of us have hurt inside for what he and his family have endured.
I would ask you, Anon, to please not try to start something here when I was agreeing with Karen. Please, can we please have enough respect to stop with the negative posts and move on.
Isabelle
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Can't imagine "what feelings Paula Reeves (or anybody for that matter) couldn't put aside" long enough to let people know that this young man had passed away. Must have been really upset about something! Or, just plain ole mean.
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Psst .. Isabelle.
W H I T M O R E.
:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
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On 2006-06-27 21:56:00, MomCat wrote:
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On 2006-06-27 17:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ANON, Mom Cat or Izzie
Nobody is disrespecting Layne's family, but rather, expressing an opinion about finding out the way they did about the death of someone they cared very muvh about and considered a friend.
Can you see the difference?
Karen called his mom, for pete's sake, and how do you think she must have felt to confirm the tragic news that Layne has passed away the first week of June more than 20 days ago?????
Somebody posted the news on Fornits, with no link to any resource, leaving people wondering if this was some kind of bad joke.
Well, thanks to BK, we know it's not, and she can hardly be considered disrepectful of the Layne family.
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Anon,
Go back and read my post to Karen - I am not criticizing her in any way, I called Terry and I had to confirm the news the same way Karen did after seeing this on Fornits. In fact, Karen and I called probably moments of each other. I thought this was some sort of sick joke when I could not find anything about his death on Yahoo or Google, so I ran and called Terry and found out it was true.
I was just as appalled as Karen that we had to find out this way. It is true that the family may have wanted it kept quiet for a while. But please.
Paula has a memorial on her website - so the family must have agreed that she announce it on the internet. At least I would hope so. If that's the case, then Paula knew others would soon find out. In my opinion, that is when she should have put aside any feelings and called, or e-mailed us, and let us know about this tragedy - not let us find out this way.
Many of us knew Terry and Layne and many of us care deeply for them. Layne suffered so much and many of us have hurt inside for what he and his family have endured.
I would ask you, Anon, to please not try to start something here when I was agreeing with Karen. Please, can we please have enough respect to stop with the negative posts and move on.
Isabelle"
Yeah, yeah, we get that YOU called the boy's mom too.
Go update your facility watchlist, that is what you call it right? If so, what the hell are you watching with all those CLOSED programs?
:silly:
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Say Goodnight Gracie - there are no saints in the troubled teen industry because they done lost their moral compass a long time ago.
Peace to Layne and Carter, and their families.
This war will never be won as long as people can make a buck off of running programs or sending kids to them.
It's as simple as that.
:smokin:
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Paula must be laughing her butt off. Everyone's jumping all over Izzy, and forgot all about her disgraceful ass.
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Well, Izzy, what is your friend Paula all in a twit about?
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ISAC has a very nice memorial for Layne and also, an update on the Conference in Denver.
http://isaccorp.org/announcements.html (http://isaccorp.org/announcements.html)
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On 2006-06-28 11:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ISAC has a very nice memorial for Layne and also, an update on the Conference in Denver.
http://isaccorp.org/announcements.html (http://isaccorp.org/announcements.html)"
Was it suicide or "natural causes?"
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No one said Layne Brown's death was a suicide.
Come on.
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What WWASPS programs was Layne in and how long?
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Is Layne's personal story posted anywhere? In his own words?
T.I.A.
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On 2006-06-29 16:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is Layne's personal story posted anywhere? In his own words?
T.I.A."
Don't know but you may wanna try CAFETY or ISAC?
Or one of the anti-wwasps websites.
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Layne was imprisoned in Tranquility Bay, Feb. - Nov. 1997.
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On 2006-06-30 01:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Layne was imprisoned in Tranquility Bay, Feb. - Nov. 1997. "
Yikes, that's when TB was relatively new.
Was he in any other programs or just TB?
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On 2006-06-29 07:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No one said Layne Brown's death was a suicide.
Come on."
QUOTE: Fuck. How many times are we going to read of another suicide after being treated like shit in a lockup for profit?
Cue the trolls who are going to argue "he didnt die in the care of wwasp so they are not responsible". You know, the same soulless fucks who troll the RIP threads here. Well, here's a pre-emptive to you trolls. QUOTE
This from another anonymous, June 27--
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This was the boy in the French documentary?
What a sad story that was to see. It was as if the boy was already dead inside. Remember in the film when he was shown walking aimlessly along his trails. What a horrible waste of a young life.
Even if he would have died from this condition otherwise, it is sad to know he lived the last portion of his life in misery.
Shame on WWASPS and anyone who supports them.
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I don't think it is correct to say Layne lived the last part of his life in misery - not at all. Yes, he had some set backs - but I have to say, in conversation, he always seemed friendly and positive and generally just very good natured.
You look at the film and you think to yourself "aimless wandering" - and maybe that's what the film maker was going for - but I can tell you based on conversations we had, he was not aimless about anything. He had definite goals and was working at achieving them. He had things he enjoyed; and living he looked forward to.
Yes, what he suffered under the Program at TB was horrific. Even program supporters admit as much (and you know how rare that is) And yes it caused him problems - but he was by no means dead inside.
None of these kids are dead inside.
Layne's death is tragic on many levels. Any time such a young person dies - it is tragic, and we are left feeling diminished by the loss.
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Well said, Buzz
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On 2006-06-27 15:15:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"It is true.
It wasn't suicide or foul play.
He had an enlarged heart and it is thought that this is propbably what killed him. The ME's report isn't in yet. I'm told his mom called him around noon and he seemed fine. When she got home from work around 6 he had died.
This is such sad news - Layne was a very sweet kid - I liked him a lot.
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BK,
Had Layne taken psychiatric drugs? Some, particularly Ritalin, can enlarge the heart and result in death.
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Deb asks:
BK,
Had Layne taken psychiatric drugs? Some, particularly Ritalin, can enlarge the heart and result in death.///
I don't know exaclty what meds he has taken, but the possibility one or more has been the cause of his health problems, and consequently also his death, has been considered.
Feel free to PM me if you want to chat some more.
*[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2006-07-03 08:10 ]
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On 2006-07-02 21:30:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"I don't think it is correct to say Layne lived the last part of his life in misery - not at all. Yes, he had some set backs - but I have to say, in conversation, he always seemed friendly and positive and generally just very good natured.
You look at the film and you think to yourself "aimless wandering" - and maybe that's what the film maker was going for - but I can tell you based on conversations we had, he was not aimless about anything. He had definite goals and was working at achieving them. He had things he enjoyed; and living he looked forward to.
Yes, what he suffered under the Program at TB was horrific. Even program supporters admit as much (and you know how rare that is) And yes it caused him problems - but he was by no means dead inside.
None of these kids are dead inside.
Layne's death is tragic on many levels. Any time such a young person dies - it is tragic, and we are left feeling diminished by the loss. "
Nicely said, Buzz.
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