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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 26, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
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Cannabis as bad as heroin, warns UN drugs watchdog
GERRI PEEV POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
THE drugs watchdog of the United Nations has rebuked the UK government's policy change on cannabis, saying it sent a confusing message to young people.
UN experts also warned that a major increase in the potency of cannabis means it now poses health risks similar to those of heroin.
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Weed so good it hits like heroin?
Where can I get some?
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Fuck the UN.
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The decision to reclassify cannabis as a Class C drug - made by the Home Secretary in 2004 - was implicitly criticised by Antonio Maria Costa, the executive director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, who warned of the growth in its use.
Cannabis had become more potent in the past few decades and governments that maintained inadequate policies got the "drug problem they deserve", Mr Costa said in the 2006 World Drug Report.
"Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," he added. "
The cannabis pandemic, like other challenges to public health, requires consensus, a consistent commitment across the political spectrum and by society at large."
He warned governments against playing party politics with the classification of cannabis as its harmful effects were "no longer that different" to the damage caused by cocaine and heroin.
His remarks were made on UN Day Against Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking.
But the Home Office stood by its decision to maintain cannabis as Class C.
A spokesman said: "Cannabis is controlled as a Class C drug. It is harmful and illegal and no-one should take it. In January 2006 the Home Secretary accepted the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs recommendation that cannabis remain a Class C drug. This decision to retain its classification is supported by the police and by most drug and mental health charities."
The Home Office said that consumption of cannabis had fallen from more than 28 per cent to 24 per cent in 16-24 year olds.
Scotland has one of the worst drug problems in Europe, with an estimated 50,000 addicts. At least half a million Scots are believed to have smoked cannabis and 200,000 are believed to have taken cocaine.
Last week, Tom Wood, Scotland's drug tsar, sparked controversy by suggesting the nation had "lost the war on drugs".
The European Commission has admitted that drug abuse in the bloc and the deaths it causes have reached "unprecedented" levels and that in any given month, 1.5 million Europeans take cocaine and 12 million use cannabis.
Since David Blunkett, the former home secretary, downgraded cannabis to a class C, ministers have proposed much lower limits for possession of the drug before an individual is prosecuted as a dealer. In contrast, the Dutch parliament is considering allowing the controlled cultivation of cannabis while Italy has also taken a softer stance.
The European Commission is asking for input into its drugs policy review from July to September.
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These United Nations "experts" are completely, & unequivocally full of horse shit...just more propaganda from the usual suspects...
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Yeah they're the LAST people I'd want advice from about anything let alone what drugs I should and shouldn't use.. :roll: :roll:
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You've all gone WAY south of sanity i'm afraid.
Just because a drug's use is present in conjunction with social difficulties doesn't necessarily make the drug a cause, but perhaps a symptom? People use many different things in drug-like manners. Are we to outlaw coca-cola because its a good chaser? And what about alcohol? Is it all too necessary to diminish marijuana to a heroin-like substance (which it is NOT - cigarettes are more addicting, and deadly). Fact is marijuana has a lot of decent uses, one of which is recreational and like all users, extremes exist. There are moderates and there are extremes of every drug, or church. Should we close down the catholic church because priests molest children? Or fundimentalists bomb clinics? Surely the church prompted these beliefs!
No. I'm sorry, marijuana is not the cause OR the catalyst. But, i admit, i do know people who abuse the substance and in time, they will learn, or they wont - its really their CHOICE, no? I also know plenty of well off, good citizens who relax with a joint and some Merlot on their fridays, or mondays:). The philosophy behind the usage of drugs really needs clairification, but thats a whole other beast. What we SHOULD be monitoring is childrens useage of this drug and trying to teach them more creative means of entertainment. I can tell you that resisting drug use in my culture is very difficult because of the simple fact that my culture has very limited extra-curricular activities for minors. Homework, authority, college, debt. Hell bush is throwin' back shots in terror of getting up in the morning! And you know what, he learned about it from his circumstance. Its a dam shame. So, dont blacklist this drug and try to pull it out from peoples lives, they'll just replace it with something that's taxable and corporate. Which is exactly what the government, the alcohol and cigarette companies would prefer.
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You've all gone WAY south of sanity i'm afraid.
For a second there I was getting ready to tell you to fuck off... But yeah, I agree with you..
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As the mother of a 30-year-old heroin addict who started out with marijuana, I am a firm believer that it does start there. I was told by my son that "mom, they did not have drugs when you were growing up like they have today." HA. I grew up in the 60s and they did not have drugs then!!! But I do believe what he really meant was that they are different in potency today than they were before. Todays youth, in my opinion, do not stand a chance once they start. Just my thoughts. From a broken hearted mother.
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I understand how you must feel...but please remember -- just b/c he started out with it doesn't necessarily mean that MJ was definitely the cause of his subsequent addiction to heroin. There are plenty of people out there who smoke or have smoked (like myself) that have never shot up and never will. The "gateway drug" theory just doesn't hold water...
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Everyone has their vices--and I would rather be around someone who is high on weed then boozed, ripped on coke or heroin. But i would also rather be around someone who is high on weed then high on religion or politics. I wish people wouldnt tell us what we can or can not have in our body. This is harse but I feel its true: if you do a shit-ton of drugs and die from it then to god damn bad for you; natural selection at its finest. Whats the difference between those who base jump and die? its a high that people need to fulfill--and some make bad decisions.
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By the same token suicide should be 100% legal no matter what the reason! If someone wants to kill themselves they should be able to carry it out in a hassle-free environment. Let them die if they want to, for fuck's sake!
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I know everytime I don't smoke for a week I stop eating and might have to rob a liquor store in order to hook up my next fix. It's not all candy and laughter.
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I know everytime I don't smoke for a week I stop eating and might have to rob a liquor store in order to hook up my next fix. It's not all candy and laughter.
See? This is a perfect example of what I've been trying to tell you thick-headed druggies all along!
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I'm gobsmacked at the collective deceipt carried out by whomever is responsible for this propaganda. This is mindless and irresponsible junk science.
Listen you imbeciles, you don't know what a drug problem is until you've seen the devastation that methamphetamine causes. And to imply that pot is equally as dangerous as heroin?...c'mon...give me a break.
The problem with pot is the government can't make any money controlling it because it is so easily cultivated. In the U.S., all "illegal" drugs are cash cows for law enforcement. You can't imagine the insane level of organized crime associated with the war on drugs that in reality is a front for local, state and federal law enforcement. And the world at large wonders why police, judges and politicians are loathed to the extent they are in this country. Hey..you haven't seen anything yet. The level of unadulterated hatred for our government currently registers off-scale precisely for this type of balderdash. Every time such a report is distorted and spun to imply that it is looking out for our best interests only adds to the mountainous mound of feces contained therein.
Marijuana as a gateway drug? Please!!! Consider this...I have several friends that are prison guards and wardens. To a man, they say that there has never been ANY psychotic episode such as a prison riot or murder caused by an inmate that was addicted (?) to marijuana. To the contrary, the substance that ALWAYS leads to major inmate control problems is...you guessed it...alcohol!!! Inmates can make bootleg liquor by fermenting bread and various canned fruit into a seriously potent concoction.
Alcohol...not marijuana...is the REAL gateway drug you idiots!!! And, guess what? Its legal. And very, very profitable.I'm gob smacked at the collective deceit carried out by whomever is responsible for this propaganda. This is mindless and irresponsible junk science.
Listen you mentally defective imbeciles, you don't know what a drug problem is until you've seen the devastation that methamphetamine causes. And to imply that pot is equally as dangerous as heroin?...c'mon...give me a break.
The problem with pot is the government can't make any money controlling it because it is so easily cultivated. In the U.S., all "illegal" drugs are cash cows for law enforcement. You can't imagine the insane level of organized crime associated with the war on drugs that in reality is a front for local, state and federal law enforcement. And the world at large wonders why police, judges and politicians are loathed to the extent they are in this country. Hey.you haven't seen anything yet. The level of unadulterated hatred for our government currently registers off-scale precisely for this type of balderdash. Every time such a report is distorted and spun to imply that it is looking out for our best interests only adds to the mountainous mound of feces contained therein.
Marijuana as a gateway drug? Please!!
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Here's a napkin in case you get gobsmacked again... :grin:
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On 2006-06-27 08:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As the mother of a 30-year-old heroin addict who started out with marijuana, I am a firm believer that it does start there. I was told by my son that "mom, they did not have drugs when you were growing up like they have today." HA. I grew up in the 60s and they did not have drugs then!!! But I do believe what he really meant was that they are different in potency today than they were before. Todays youth, in my opinion, do not stand a chance once they start. Just my thoughts. From a broken hearted mother."
A lot of people die because they eat too much food every year too, a hell of a lot more than die because of heroin. Should we outlaw McDonalds because a portion of the population cannot control their eating habits?
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Actually, I would LOVE to see that happen.
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On 2006-06-27 09:18:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Here's a napkin in case you get gobsmacked again... :grin: "
LOL
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It's just that I hate to see people get spit on..
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Somone who think drugs were not around in the sixties would have to have been raised in a box in South Dakota. Heroin long before the sixties was transported from south-east asia to europe by the roman catholic church and until prohibition was sold in drug stores over the counter. While your catching up on your history I would like to point out GANJA was the 2nd most prescribed drug for over 100 years in the U.S. and prescribed for over 100 different ailments. Hemp is cheaper and stronger than cotton and requires no chemicals to process. Dupont who lobbied for marajuana drug laws recieved the goverment contract to replace all the hemp used by the military for synthedic fiber made from chemicals. So not only is GANJA nothing like heroin but one does not lead to another. Myself and MILLIONS of other have smoked plenty of GANJA and not shot up. I mean no offense but if your child is that bad of a decision maker than some responsibility must lie with you.
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I mean no offense but if your child is that bad of a decision maker than some responsibility must lie with you.
MAN....what a fucking DOUCHEBAG!!!! ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: :smokin:
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"some responsibility must lie with you."
OMFG the more I think about this bullshit the more angered I get!! And you probably don't even see what sort of GALL you possess to make a statement like that in this context..for fuck's sake..the woman said her kid died. You're sooooo hell-bent on making your petty-ass point about "GANJA" that you're gonna go and say some shit like that to someone who's GRIEVING??? Hello???? Are you fucking DENSE????
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Fucking DOUCHEBAG. :smokin:
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Come on, motherfucker...
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The mother did not say her son died.
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Bullshit...go back and read it.
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No, you first.
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Ah well...you're right. She didn't say that, my bad. It was still an obnoxious comment none the less.
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To the broken-hearted mother: I'm sorry that you have suffered such a loss. You have my sympathy, but I must point out that marijuana and heroine and all drugs for that matter are simply tools. The outcome of the use of the tool is determined by the tool user. No tool is inherently good or bad, it's value is determined by the skill and intent of the user. In other words marijuana and heroine are not to blame. Your son is.
Anyway, if I were to assume your logic for a minute I would argue that oil is the scariest and most deadly addiction on the planet; the wars and the pollution on a global scale, and the world-wide social oppression. The damage caused by heroine and other drugs pales in comparison to the devastation caused by ruthless oil addicts. It's ironic to me that we lock up heroine and coke and marijuana users but we put an oil cartel in the white house. What a bunch 'a' brainwashed idiots most Americans are.
Even oil is just a tool though. Oil, like any tool cannot make decisions and bears no responsibility itself. It is the people who unjustly wield it that are the source of so much suffering in the world. Know what I'm sayin' ??
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The marijuana gateway-drug argument is a fallacy. Of course drug addicts use marijuana first, it's the most accessible drug at a younger age. It is logical for someone who uses drugs to have used marijuana first. But to suggest that everyone who uses marijuana then proceeds to other drugs is simply a fallacy. If this argument were true I could also say that drinking soda leads to alcoholism. After all, all alcoholics I've spoken with started drinking soda first.
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Speaking of marijuana I want some right now.
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On 2006-06-27 10:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
The marijuana gateway-drug argument is a fallacy. Of course drug addicts use marijuana first, it's the most accessible drug at a younger age. It is logical for someone who uses drugs to have used marijuana first. But to suggest that everyone who uses marijuana then proceeds to other drugs is simply a fallacy. If this argument were true I could also say that drinking soda leads to alcoholism. After all, all alcoholics I've spoken with started drinking soda first.
Commendably reiterated. :tup:
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On 2006-06-27 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...if your child is that bad of a decision maker than some responsibility must lie with you."
I think you are assuming an awful lot here and I disagree.
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Thank you! :lol:
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It's interesting how the the simple insertion of the word "heartbroken" into the mothers reply invoked such intense emotional reactions and exagerations to be expressed. :lol:
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True..you got me there...that's probably what made me think that he died...
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The World Health Organization is the United Nations specialized agency for health commissioned a report 8 years ago into cannabis . This is the link to it on their site.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/hq/1997/WHO_MSA_PSA_97.4.pdf (http://whqlibdoc.who.int/hq/1997/WHO_MSA_PSA_97.4.pdf)
this is their latest study on the drug, it basically says that not enough research has been done on cannabis but it does have harmful effects particularly on the young and those predisposed to schizophrenia. It also says is that because people use much less of the drug than alcohol or tobacco it?s effects are less harmful than either of those drugs, but read it yourself it says some positive things about cannabis and some negative things however it does not put it on a par with heroin at all, as one of the UN?s own spokesman appears to have said. Perhaps this person should get around to reading his own organisations reports.
In the UK (in 2002) , heroin has resulted in the deaths by overdose of about 7000 people.
I read somewhere, when I was researching into cannabis, that for someone to OD on cannabis they would have to take about 1.5 pounds of it (I don?t know if this is bud or leaf) but as a result there has NEVER been a case of OD due to cannabis.
This UN spokesman should engage his brain into a forward gear before his mouth and his probable lack of common experience betrays the fact that he is stuck in reverse.
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No wonder the credibility on the UN is at an all time low. What a stupid thing to say.
I have been a cannabis smoker for 20 years. I also have a responsible govt job, raise beautiful healthy children and run half-marathons and climb mountains in my spare time. I have no problem going for weeks without a smoke. Could I do this on a Class A drug?
Skin up you stupid man, you may gain some common sense!
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As someone who smoked canabis in fairly large quanities over a number of years. I found that when i wanted to quit and made the decision to do so, a relapse, as it were, never was a problem. Stopping was as easy as putting down a cup of tea.
Drug use in human is hardly a new thing, just look at the cave painting in france, the paint used there was a halucigen which was appiled to the walls by spitting it through a pipe...result they got nice and high!
People say canabis is a gateway drug...yes but only because it as it is illegal and buying it puts you in contact with a dealer who can sell other things to you!
For those who say canabis is worse than alcohol...one question is you see a guy acting argessive and wanting to fight is he high on canabis or boozed up to the eyeballs??? Boozed up to the eye balls...people on canabis can't do act that way it is impossible!! Ok i make light of the situation but the point is valid.
The drug maybe more harmful to those predisposed to schizophrenia etc but so is alcohol. Perhaps the biggest problem the goverment has with canabis is that they havn't worked out how they can tax it properly yet. There is no "harmful efect" argument that can not be applied to alcohol!
What should be done is let people grow it for their own consumption and make buying it illegal. If you have no need to go to a dealer then you will not be open to buying harder drugs. Government could put a tax in the seeds and equipment used. thus making a bit of green (sorry had to use that word) for themselves.
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How can you enforce a tax on something that only requires dirt, water and sunlight? That's why we have the DEA, raiding people's homes and privacy. It would be the same thing, except they'd be checking people's backyards and greenhouses. We don't need any more laws, and go ahead and cancel all laws passed in the previous fifty years while you are at it. Everyone has good ideas about how to solve problems by legislation, and the snowball effect results in nightmarish scenarios decades down the rode. It is time to accept human nature, and stop wasting resources punishing victimless crime (protecting people from themselves).
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And you don't need to buy seeds because you can breed your own. Again, is a tax is levied, that means Monsanto or another such company will probably get license to start dropping mass amounts of weed specific gene killing chemicals over all the cities. Think of the profits.
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The UN Executive Director of the Office of Drug Control & Crime Prevention, so-called "world drug czar" Pino Arlacchi, put together a piece in 1998 entitled "Towards a Drug-Free World by 2008
?We can Do It . . ." So then, how's that progressing? This typifies the almost unimaginable buffoonery of these "drug warriors".
When will the time come for reasoned debate and a departure from the typical denial, moralism, and hysterics that have seen countless lives ruined, billions blown over 40 years and for nothing, nothing resembling progress.
Our leaders live in a fairyland of denial because of course we all know that [some] drugs are just plain irredeemably evil & that's that & nothing more to be said about it.
So, more crackdowns? More breast-beating to satisfy constituants? It's all dismal. Dismal.
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Has anyone ever read the headline "MARIJUANA-CRAZED GUNMAN ROBS BANK AND TAKES HOSTAGES!"?
I sure haven't. Anyone who knows anyone who smokes weed knows that it makes people more docile, subdued and reflective. There is no such thing as a "weed overdose" and nobody has ever died from using it.
All this talk about the evils of marijuana are just plain ol' uninformed nonsense.
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On 2006-06-27 10:48:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Speaking of marijuana I want some right now."
Your mother wants some right now.
:wave: :wink:
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On 2006-06-27 14:49:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
Your mother wants some right now.
:smokin:
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weed is the ONLY NATURAL DRUG god left us....some of us out here in the world like to smoke the shit to deal with the rest of the assholes we must deal with daily
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ONLY NATURAL DRUG
Alcohol is also natural.
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so are mushrooms, opiates.......etc
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Yes they are.
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On 2006-06-29 06:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"weed is the ONLY NATURAL DRUG god left us....some of us out here in the world like to smoke the shit to deal with the rest of the assholes we must deal with daily"
So true man, I think if I didn't smoke weed, I'd strangle a new stranger every day. Do I have a problem? You can say that all you want, but you better hope for your sake that I'm high as a kite when I see you scrape your shopping cart against my car and then try to just walk away at the supermarket.
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alcohol is processed dumbass...no process done on herb
On 2006-06-29 07:32:00, Guest wrote:
"ONLY NATURAL DRUG
Alcohol is also natural."
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Sounds like the Brits should be smoking more weed instead of drinking their asses off:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic ... rss&rpc=22 (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyid=2006-06-30T164954Z_01_COL060531_RTRUKOC_0_US-ALCOHOL-ENGLAND.xml&src=rss&rpc=22)
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On 2006-06-30 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"alcohol is processed dumbass...no process done on herb
On 2006-06-29 07:32:00, Guest wrote:
"ONLY NATURAL DRUG
Alcohol is also natural."
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Fuck you, man. You don't have your fuckin' facts straight at all. Alcoholic beverages are not always "processed" as you claim. They may not be that great for you in some ways, but they aren't always processed. ::both::
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On 2006-06-30 17:38:00, Guest wrote:
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On 2006-06-30 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"alcohol is processed dumbass...no process done on herb
On 2006-06-29 07:32:00, Guest wrote:
"ONLY NATURAL DRUG
Alcohol is also natural."
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Fuck you, man. You don't have your fuckin' facts straight at all. Alcoholic beverages are not always "processed" as you claim. They may not be that great for you in some ways, but they aren't always processed. ::both::"
You dumbass, of course they're always processed. What are you, 6? Still think the definition of "processed" is a carrot that tastes like shit? Alcohol is "processed" because it is brewed (or fermented, if you will) through a PROCESS. Or do you have the magic alcohol fountain flowing in your backyard? Weed just grows naturally, but I'm yet to see little bottles of bud light growing on a tree.
Anyways, speaking of alcohol, it's time to hit the south end.
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The process of fermentation occurs NATURALLY... :roll: Let the proper ingredients sit for a while and beer and wine will make themselves! :roll: A (truly processed) carrot that tastes like shit is another story entirely! What difference is there between the process of weed taking root and growing in the soil and some malt and hops coming together? None.
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On 2006-06-30 19:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-30 17:38:00, Guest wrote:
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On 2006-06-30 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"alcohol is processed dumbass...no process done on herb
On 2006-06-29 07:32:00, Guest wrote:
"ONLY NATURAL DRUG
Alcohol is also natural."
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Fuck you, man. You don't have your fuckin' facts straight at all. Alcoholic beverages are not always "processed" as you claim. They may not be that great for you in some ways, but they aren't always processed. ::cheers::
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On 2006-06-30 21:13:00, Guest wrote:
"The process of fermentation occurs NATURALLY... :roll: Let the proper ingredients sit for a while and beer and wine will make themselves! :roll: A (truly processed) carrot that tastes like shit is another story entirely! What difference is there between the process of weed taking root and growing in the soil and some malt and hops coming together? None. "
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On 2006-06-30 19:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
Anyways, speaking of alcohol, it's time to hit the south end. "
Cheers, fucker... ::cheers:: :smokin:
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now tweek... doesn't get any more natural than that :lol:
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On 2006-06-30 21:13:00, Guest wrote:
"The process of fermentation occurs NATURALLY... :wstupid:
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On 2006-07-01 06:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
On 2006-06-30 21:13:00, Guest wrote:
"The process of fermentation occurs NATURALLY... :wstupid:
Give up, eh?
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Moron, so the malt sprouts legs and goes and ferments itself with the hops? Have you forgotten the other ingredients? None of them are naturally found together. You said it yourself, INGREDIENTS. They have to be brought together by a human hand, processed, and turned into alcohol. If we didn't bring these ingredients together, THERE WOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS ALCOHOL.
Weed has been growing naturally in the earth, like other drugs such as psylocibin mushrooms, salvia divinorum, morning glories, etc, etc, for longer than we've been around. But alcohol is listed as an INVENTION. Look it up yourself, dumbass.
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Guest,
Malt, hops, barley, yeast, etc....those are all naturally occurring (or hell, maybe some of them aren't and then your argument is completely whacked). Alcohol, however, is just a derivative of those ingredients. So alcohol (for the most part) contains natural ingredients, but it is not a naturally occurring substance.
But whatever the fuck ever, whether it's natural or not, it gets you fuckin' faded baby! And England and Portugal kick off in 10 minutes so it's time to break out the Coronas.
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And I still maintain that fermentation can occur naturally. Ok let's forget about beer for a minute. If some grapes sit around long enough by themselves they'll become wine...sure as you were born.
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dniceo- I piss out alcohol all the time; therefore it's naturally occurring! :lol:
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Haha, I smoked some salvia and shat out a sage leaf once, that's how I knew it was naturally occurring.
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Tell me one thing on this planet that isn't derived in some way from 'natural ingredients'.
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Michael Jackson.
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:rofl: :grin:
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You, sir, have won the Internet. :nworthy:
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to all those that have stated that alcohol is natural...what are you in the fuckin 3rd grade...distilled ...fermented...fuckin ignorant...drink yourself till your face turns yellow and you shit your big fat liver out your ass...herb is herb....don't need no ingredients added to it to make it what it is...all-natural...although...alittle peters 20/20/20 and superbloom will make the all-natural so much more beautiful...like roses...now eat drink your booze and leave us potheads alone.
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btw....how many potheads have you seen pulled over for driving under yhe influence? they don't have a group called mothers against pot smokers now do they?
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On 2006-07-01 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"to all those that have stated that alcohol is natural...what are you in the fuckin 3rd grade...distilled ...fermented...fuckin ignorant...drink yourself till your face turns yellow and you shit your big fat liver out your ass...herb is herb....don't need no ingredients added to it to make it what it is...all-natural...although...alittle peters 20/20/20 and superbloom will make the all-natural so much more beautiful...like roses...now eat drink your booze and leave us potheads alone."
Sounds like you have a problem with alcohol. :rofl: