Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 18, 2006, 01:37:00 AM
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If things are going really badly at home and you suspect your family are going to have you shipped off to god knows where. If you are brave:
1 GET YOURSELF SOME HANDCUFFS
2 KEEP THEM SOMEWHERE SAFE, ACEESSABLE AND HIDDEN
3 WHEN THE ESCORTS ARRIVE CHAIN YOURSELF TO THE BED AND SWALLOW THE KEY
4 HAVE A CELL PHONE ON YOU SO YOU CAN TRY TO CALL THE COPS BEFORE THEY TAKE YOU.
It will buy you some time. Be prepared for all hell to break loose in the short term. If it is possible talk to a trusted adult who is in your corner about your suspicions before the incident. Id wager youll need someone to run to who can mediate on your behalf and try to calm things @ home
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Nice
/bump
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Or you can keep a large hunting knife..and when the escorts come, handcuff them to the bed and get down to business :wink:
Do what you gotta do, I always say.
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Or you could just leave, crash out with a friend for awhile, and negotiate with your family on the phone. Probably save you a whole lot of drama and some gnarly indigestion. Just a thought.
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Do NOT negotiate with a program parent, they have already agreed to have you transported incommunicado by a child molesting kidnapper in secret, they are willing to LIE to you.
If your parent has hired a kidnapper to come get you or is looking into a program ITS TIME TO LEAVE NOW.
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Yea, great idea, don't try to work things out with them. Go hide out with friends, I'm sure they won't get tired of you crashing on their floor eventually, I mean, I know I don't value my privacy at all either. I'd love to have some homeless kid crashing out at my place, eating all my food, trying to nail my sister every night. :roll:
But seriously, I think this is a pretty tough topic to tackle, certainly not black and white at all. I mean, if you catch wind that the escorts are coming, or manage to escape, what courses of action do you honestly have at your disposal? I'll support what you say about being lied to. My friend had the escorts come for him, but they made the mistake of letting him change in his bathroom unsupervised...he jumped right out the window and bolted, crashed with a friend for a couple days, "negotiated" over the phone, went home, and ended up right in CEDU's hands.
So I guess you can't negotiate, that apparently never works. But then what do you do? Can't go back to your normal high school, they'll be waiting for you there. Guess you could go get a head start on your life of waiting tables or pumping gas, but of course you'll have to get paid under the table because if you land a real job, they'll find you and send you away. Or you could get busy slanging drugs...oh man, what a glorious life that is. You might actually be successful at that for awhile, until you start thinking a little too big and end up doing a little state time.
Honestly, I'll challenge anyone to give me a good course of action to take if you know the escorts are coming/managed to escape from the escorts. Keeping in mind that we're talking about 14/15 year old kids (and assuming that negotiating with the parents is not an option, hell if you can work it out so you won't get sent away, go for it!!). I hate CEDU and those bullshit programs as much as the next guy, but I also can't imagine a life in this country without a high school diploma if you're a person with ambitions. [ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2006-06-18 23:01 ]
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Have a benefactor in another state.
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you run away and go fucking work. find someone willing to employ you under the table for cash, tell them your parents abuse you and you do not want to be found. this is NOT THAT hard to do like that one windbag said up there earlier. as if running away is fucking rocket science... if there are escorts coming, either take it up the ass and stay home or leave and start a new life.. yes some people actually pull it off!
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but I also can't imagine a life in this country without a high school diploma if you're a person with ambitions.
:rofl: :roll:
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Well, sounds like you have it all figured out. They can go clean toilets under the table for the rest of their life. Or have some gay sugar daddy "benefactor" in another state (that they probably met online). Fuck, what was I thinking, I should've done that. Instead of being in law school right now I could be working under the table at a pet supply store or something. [ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2006-06-19 08:24 ]
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youre too dumb to entertain... take the GED.. commnunity college. dude, its been done by so many kids to see you type that it cant be done is hilarious!!
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I never said it couldn't be done, I just said I could never be content with such a shitty life. But apparently you could, so enjoy.
I didn't come looking for a fight, all I wanted to do was point out that it's not so black and white. [ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2006-06-19 08:27 ]
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you make the life you lead... its only shitty if you make it that way. sorry you see the world that way man..
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Obviously. Hey man, if you're content living that life, then fuck, more power to you! Run!! Go enjoy life!!
But I'm saying that any life where you don't live up to your potential is a waste. Don't be sorry for me, I'm perfectly content with the path I chose. Whatever, it's pointless arguing, we obviously don't place the same values on education. [ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2006-06-19 08:31 ]
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you think the kids who end up on the street want to be there... these are kids who are abused, physically, sexally and in other ways or maybe they are about to be kidnapped or whatever this thread is about. they have no other option to leave home... unless like i said they literally want to take it up the ass. you naivety shows... be glad you never ended up in that situation, because there are hundreds of thousands of kids sleeping on the street tonight and they didnt choose it they are just choosing the better option of two shitty ass options. but whatever dude... your reality seems more fun anyways!
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Dude, we are talking about 2 completely different situations. The hell kind of place are you talking about people being sent? I mean yeah, if they're gonna get kidnapped and sent to some place where they're gonna get raped in the ass, of course I'd say run. Sleep on the streets. Fuck man, I was homeless, bouncing from friend to friend and girl to girl for a bed or a couch or a floor to sleep on, for 8 months when I ran away from CEDU. But I woke up one day and decided the prospect of living like that for the rest of my life was a worse option than going back and finishing that piece of shit program.
I guess I just didn't make my original point clear enough. I'm not saying that you should, no matter what, stick around and get kidnapped. All I'm saying is you should think of a better course of action than just running away and sleeping on the streets.
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yeah of course they should think it over and it depends on what program you are being sent to.. etc... thats a given. yes there are programs where kids get sexually abused, physically abused for years with no recourse... im not talking about running away from some easy ass program im talking about kids running away for a reason.. the ones who actually STAY on the street.
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Well, I guess that settles it.
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hahaha of course you fucking fornits losers wouldn't care about finishing high school! of course you'd rather be a homeless fucking piece of shit on the streets because it's oh so much easier than actually trying to accomplish anything in life
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I didn't finish high school because I was yanked out and stuck in a mindrape mill. I've got an amazing life now though. Travel, kids' educations paid for, comfortable house that's almost paid for, Ok we went into a little debt buying the new boat but hey, we needed something to get us back and forth to the Bahamas.
Try pulling the stick outta yer ass. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-06-19 08:41:00, dniceo7 wrote:
"Dude, we are talking about 2 completely different situations. The hell kind of place are you talking about people being sent? I mean yeah, if they're gonna get kidnapped and sent to some place where they're gonna get raped in the ass, of course I'd say run. Sleep on the streets. Fuck man, I was homeless, bouncing from friend to friend and girl to girl for a bed or a couch or a floor to sleep on, for 8 months when I ran away from CEDU. But I woke up one day and decided the prospect of living like that for the rest of my life was a worse option than going back and finishing that piece of shit program.
I guess I just didn't make my original point clear enough. I'm not saying that you should, no matter what, stick around and get kidnapped. All I'm saying is you should think of a better course of action than just running away and sleeping on the streets. "
In my situation, running out into the street was a preferable alternative to my program. In short, it was no longer about quality of life....I was ready to die. I was, I was ready to be free or die trying. I had no fear. It was that bad. I walked out into the streets of a city where I had no friends, knew NO ONE. Not a soul. I didnt know where I was going to end up in the next few hours after that, but it was preferable to being in the program. I would not call anyone I knew or tell them where I was from, I had learned this was the only fool proof way to avoid capture.
I got lucky. I met nice lady who helped me and gave me a couch in exchange for part time babysitting. She fed me and became my friend. I spent the next 31 days hiding out, waiting. We were told they woudlnt take you back after 30 days, so I made it to 31 before I even picked up a a phone and called my parents. I never expected to live that long.
I just think its important that you know that sometimes there is no other course of action. Its a matter of survival. When you are 15 and female and in an unfamiliar city, your choices are limited. Add the need to remain undercover and unseen, and you have even slimmer chances.
I literally became fully aware that I had accepted death as a viable option if the world brought it my way. But I wasnt going to go down without a fight.
You are correct in that not every situation is black and white, but in some of them, for the individual it is very much black and white. Live or die trying, thats what it can come down to. And I defy anyone in this life to say such experience isnt a viable educational alternative to high school or the like. There is no class in high school that can teach these sort of life lessons.
Ive met countless people who have every designation imaginable on paper, but they lack so much humanity, so much knowledge of reality....its amazing. Id trade a high school diploma any day of the week for real life experience, and I would encourge others to do the same. I technically never finished the 9th grade. Partly because of being tossed into a program, partly because I was neglected by my mother, even after coming home from Straight...I was on my own trying to make a living at 17.
Now, I dont find it necessary to explain my current situation in life. But suffice it to say that I encounter people every day in my work and otherwise who have all the proper registration, and are completely useless. Id trade even more of my so-called limited education if it meant not having to be so utterly clueless.
Law School does not a Lawyer make, my friend.
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2006-06-19 11:57 ]
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:tup: Well said Carmel!
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On 2006-06-19 12:27:00, StellerJay wrote:
" :tup: Well said Carmel!"
Nonetheless, I'm happy with the choice I made.
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On 2006-06-19 08:41:00, dniceo7 wrote:
"Dude, we are talking about 2 completely different situations. The hell kind of place are you talking about people being sent? I mean yeah, if they're gonna get kidnapped and sent to some place where they're gonna get raped in the ass, of course I'd say run. Sleep on the streets. Fuck man, I was homeless, bouncing from friend to friend and girl to girl for a bed or a couch or a floor to sleep on, for 8 months when I ran away from CEDU. But I woke up one day and decided the prospect of living like that for the rest of my life was a worse option than going back and finishing that piece of shit program.
I guess I just didn't make my original point clear enough. I'm not saying that you should, no matter what, stick around and get kidnapped. All I'm saying is you should think of a better course of action than just running away and sleeping on the streets. "
dniceo7,
Some of us here actually GET what it is you're sayin
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What about the "kids" who abuse themselves, thier siblings, thier parents and everyone around them?
Theres some people in here with a very lose grip on reality.. if they have any grip at all..
Are there really people in this world who think any kid who is considered for a "program" is a victim waiting to happen?
Kids are fucking rotten, criminal, abusive beings.
No fuckin free rides. People under the age of 18 know very well that there is consequences for thier actions. If they are in need of constant supervision what are the fucking options?
Adolescent jails?
Better parenting? (Fucking HAA!)
Psychiatric facilities?
Hospitals?
Band camp?
The OP of this thread needs to be forcefed a large soggy bowl of reality.
children at or below the "poverty line" have no medical insurance to pay for medical treatment of depresion, anxiety, etc etc...
I guess that eliminates ongoing effective medical help to treat whatever conditions they may have that lead them to doing drugs, getting pregnant at 15, assaulting people, stealing anything they can get thier hands on, truency, running away, prostitution, burglary...you name it, kids do it.
A large percentage of the children who are being considered for placement in a TC are being offered it as an option to jail. Is jail a better place for them? There are many TCS that at least offer some potential for a child to re-enter society with oportunities and a clean slate. Does Jail?
No.
Do any of the few "activists" in here confront judges or lobby local goverment in an effort to convince the CJS that TCs are NOT a reasonable option to jail when putting a criminal childs future in the balance?
This whole fucking site and everyone in it is a farce. A bunch of disgruntled fucking former TC "victims" who have some dilusions of grandure that if TCs go away whatever "kid industry" that remains is going to suddenly become effective.
Hey, wake the fuck up.
Most of you think that no matter what, a fucked up kid is the result of a fucked up parent. Get it through your god-damned heads this idea is DILUSIONAL AND INNACURATE.
TCs ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY!
Quit wasting your fucking time with these stupid fucking posts, and the idea that the TCS of america are going to someday disappear... find a way to make the exsisting TCS more effective, or youre simply here to vent about your own experience while USING the current residents of TCs to get the attention you think YOU deserve.
Heres some advice for the kids out there that are being considered for a TC. GROW THE FUCK UP and take your medicine. YOU are responsible for your own actions. Mom and Dad are sick and fucking tired of you destroying your life and thiers.
See ya in 24 months.
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damn I hope youre just trolling otherwise you are one sick fuck.
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On 2006-06-19 14:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What about the "kids" who abuse themselves, thier siblings, thier parents and everyone around them?
Theres some people in here with a very lose grip on reality.. if they have any grip at all..
Are there really people in this world who think any kid who is considered for a "program" is a victim waiting to happen?
Kids are fucking rotten, criminal, abusive beings.
No fuckin free rides. People under the age of 18 know very well that there is consequences for thier actions. If they are in need of constant supervision what are the fucking options?
Adolescent jails?
Better parenting? (Fucking HAA!)
Psychiatric facilities?
Hospitals?
Band camp?
The OP of this thread needs to be forcefed a large soggy bowl of reality.
children at or below the "poverty line" have no medical insurance to pay for medical treatment of depresion, anxiety, etc etc...
I guess that eliminates ongoing effective medical help to treat whatever conditions they may have that lead them to doing drugs, getting pregnant at 15, assaulting people, stealing anything they can get thier hands on, truency, running away, prostitution, burglary...you name it, kids do it.
A large percentage of the children who are being considered for placement in a TC are being offered it as an option to jail. Is jail a better place for them? There are many TCS that at least offer some potential for a child to re-enter society with oportunities and a clean slate. Does Jail?
No.
Do any of the few "activists" in here confront judges or lobby local goverment in an effort to convince the CJS that TCs are NOT a reasonable option to jail when putting a criminal childs future in the balance?
This whole fucking site and everyone in it is a farce. A bunch of disgruntled fucking former TC "victims" who have some dilusions of grandure that if TCs go away whatever "kid industry" that remains is going to suddenly become effective.
Hey, wake the fuck up.
Most of you think that no matter what, a fucked up kid is the result of a fucked up parent. Get it through your god-damned heads this idea is DILUSIONAL AND INNACURATE.
TCs ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY!
Quit wasting your fucking time with these stupid fucking posts, and the idea that the TCS of america are going to someday disappear... find a way to make the exsisting TCS more effective, or youre simply here to vent about your own experience while USING the current residents of TCs to get the attention you think YOU deserve.
Heres some advice for the kids out there that are being considered for a TC. GROW THE FUCK UP and take your medicine. YOU are responsible for your own actions. Mom and Dad are sick and fucking tired of you destroying your life and thiers.
See ya in 24 months."
Woops -- forgot to sign in, post was mine. :wave:
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::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :tup: :tup:
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TCs didnt exsist before the onset of effect from the womens liberation movement. Hmmm.
When whoopin a kids ass became a crime, TC stocks went through the roof. Hmmm
Ladies, put your fucking bras back on, get your ass outta bed, and raise your fucking kids. If they get out of line, spank the fuckers with a leather belt.
TCs will go away. So will fornits.
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That may be so Karen, that may be so...but what about all the kids who were put in there who had never even touched drugs? Or ones that had merely experimented? Kids who were A students and sometimes 11-12 years old....might have seen pot once or twice but never smoked it?
There were lots and lots of kids in my program that fell under this category, more than the ones who were anywhere near going to jail or worse. That would be me included. I WAS a victim waiting to happen. I am NOT a victim now. But you have to wade through a whole sea of bullshit to be able to come back and make the choice not to be so.
I dont blame my parents for my choices, they were mine and I had to own them....I do however blame my parents for creating a sick environment where sick choices practically became a necessity. When a part of the body is injured or in pain, other parts of the body abandon their normal functions in order to compensate for the lack of functionality coming from the injury. Over time, the compensation becomes permanent and will twist the effected areas into something wholly different that what they were originally intended to be.
Its the same when you are in a unhealthy home environment, you begin to make choices that seem unwise to the average bear, however they can very simply be coping mechanisms making an attempt to protect the bigger functionality of the persons mind. Throw in a fraudulent modality of behavior modification based on a whole network of guilt and self-deprication....well you can imagine.
Every behavior is a learned one Karen, Id really like to understand where it is you think these rotten useless children learned theirs?
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Karen's one of our favorite trolls, Carmel. The post was pure diabolic advocacy. There's no sense in seriously arguing with that.
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Carmel, Karen didnt post what you are replying to, she posted the following silly reaction.
I posted it. And I would like to make it clear that I am not here to argue with people like you who do have valid points.
I do however think that you are an exception and not the rule. Many many kids who are placed in TCs display behavior that warrants some sort of extreme action.
The choices are few, as I indicated.
Unfortunately I dont think theres anything "we" can do to eliminate the parents who decide thier child needs to be somewhere other than home to deal with some very manageable child issues.
There ARE victims of TCs out there and in here.
I qualified for a TC by MY OWN standards. I was a hellion. But even though my "treatment" consisted of things that I wouldnt consider doing to any kid (but still might allow someone else to if the kid was a fucking hellion as I) I still dont consider myself a victim. I think I got what I had coming, which was likely mild by comparison to a juvie hall or adult prison or boot camp.
TCs today are coming around. Elan for example no longer employs the methods you read here.
You have to seperate what is considered "abuse" from what the "kids" simply dont fucking like to be subjected to (IE accountability for thier actions, limited freedom/isolation, steady productive activity)
None of those things are crimes. And are often quite mild compared to neglect and abuse at home.
I dont think its far fetched to say that the most vocal people here who were sent to a TC never qualified as a "bad kid"
But I think its a bit dilusional to think youre not out-numbered by kids who do fit that title.
TCs are not going away. Bad kids are not going away.
Im not here to say fornits needs to go away. It would be nice if Fornits and its members would address a problem with a viable solution.
I happen to think its going to require compromise.
We need to lobby. We need to be heard as a reasonable, CREDIBLE voice.
We need to act in a manner that has possitive effects for the KIDS at risk.
Shutting down a TC and ridiculing parents isnt going to do a damn thing to keep a troubled (or normal kid) from being sent to another program.
Public schools foot the bill for many kids who are refered to TCs.
Where do public schools get thier money?
Taxpayers!
If someone in here thinks Joe Homeowner/Taxpayer is going to come in here, and walk away with a plan to confront his local legislators, youve got your heads in your asses.
Many program tuitions are paid with medical insurance. Think you dont help fund that with the premiums you pay?
Think again.
Sitting in here bitching back and forth among ourselves and the filthy trolls is a perfect waste of time.
Its time the wheels were put in motion to take an active approach to the TC issue, the troubled parent issue, and the institutions that help pay for these places.
I do think the state of Fornits is a joke. A pathetic joke, plain and simple. I dont think its going to ever become a valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs our kids face.
Thus I have to question the purpose, and the Mo of the site creator/enabler.
I dont get it. Do you?
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Hey kid, handcuff yourself to your bed.
Holy fuckin shit...I come in here once a week for a dose of "stupid"
I think I OD'd on ONE POST!
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Hey do you want to give a synopsis of that post... its too boring to read the whole thing.
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On 2006-06-19 15:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Carmel, Karen didnt post what you are replying to, she posted the following silly reaction.
I posted it. And I would like to make it clear that I am not here to argue with people like you who do have valid points.
I do however think that you are an exception and not the rule. Many many kids who are placed in TCs display behavior that warrants some sort of extreme action.
The choices are few, as I indicated.
Unfortunately I dont think theres anything "we" can do to eliminate the parents who decide thier child needs to be somewhere other than home to deal with some very manageable child issues.
There ARE victims of TCs out there and in here.
I qualified for a TC by MY OWN standards. I was a hellion. But even though my "treatment" consisted of things that I wouldnt consider doing to any kid (but still might allow someone else to if the kid was a fucking hellion as I) I still dont consider myself a victim. I think I got what I had coming, which was likely mild by comparison to a juvie hall or adult prison or boot camp.
TCs today are coming around. Elan for example no longer employs the methods you read here.
You have to seperate what is considered "abuse" from what the "kids" simply dont fucking like to be subjected to (IE accountability for thier actions, limited freedom/isolation, steady productive activity)
None of those things are crimes. And are often quite mild compared to neglect and abuse at home.
I dont think its far fetched to say that the most vocal people here who were sent to a TC never qualified as a "bad kid"
But I think its a bit dilusional to think youre not out-numbered by kids who do fit that title.
TCs are not going away. Bad kids are not going away.
Im not here to say fornits needs to go away. It would be nice if Fornits and its members would address a problem with a viable solution.
I happen to think its going to require compromise.
We need to lobby. We need to be heard as a reasonable, CREDIBLE voice.
We need to act in a manner that has possitive effects for the KIDS at risk.
Shutting down a TC and ridiculing parents isnt going to do a damn thing to keep a troubled (or normal kid) from being sent to another program.
Public schools foot the bill for many kids who are refered to TCs.
Where do public schools get thier money?
Taxpayers!
If someone in here thinks Joe Homeowner/Taxpayer is going to come in here, and walk away with a plan to confront his local legislators, youve got your heads in your asses.
Many program tuitions are paid with medical insurance. Think you dont help fund that with the premiums you pay?
Think again.
Sitting in here bitching back and forth among ourselves and the filthy trolls is a perfect waste of time.
Its time the wheels were put in motion to take an active approach to the TC issue, the troubled parent issue, and the institutions that help pay for these places.
I do think the state of Fornits is a joke. A pathetic joke, plain and simple. I dont think its going to ever become a valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs our kids face.
Thus I have to question the purpose, and the Mo of the site creator/enabler.
I dont get it. Do you?
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::bwahaha2::
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On 2006-06-19 15:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Carmel, Karen didnt post what you are replying to, she posted the following silly reaction.
I posted it. And I would like to make it clear that I am not here to argue with people like you who do have valid points.
I do however think that you are an exception and not the rule. Many many kids who are placed in TCs display behavior that warrants some sort of extreme action.
The choices are few, as I indicated.
Unfortunately I dont think theres anything "we" can do to eliminate the parents who decide thier child needs to be somewhere other than home to deal with some very manageable child issues.
There ARE victims of TCs out there and in here.
I qualified for a TC by MY OWN standards. I was a hellion. But even though my "treatment" consisted of things that I wouldnt consider doing to any kid (but still might allow someone else to if the kid was a fucking hellion as I) I still dont consider myself a victim. I think I got what I had coming, which was likely mild by comparison to a juvie hall or adult prison or boot camp.
TCs today are coming around. Elan for example no longer employs the methods you read here.
You have to seperate what is considered "abuse" from what the "kids" simply dont fucking like to be subjected to (IE accountability for thier actions, limited freedom/isolation, steady productive activity)
None of those things are crimes. And are often quite mild compared to neglect and abuse at home.
I dont think its far fetched to say that the most vocal people here who were sent to a TC never qualified as a "bad kid"
But I think its a bit dilusional to think youre not out-numbered by kids who do fit that title.
TCs are not going away. Bad kids are not going away.
Im not here to say fornits needs to go away. It would be nice if Fornits and its members would address a problem with a viable solution.
I happen to think its going to require compromise.
We need to lobby. We need to be heard as a reasonable, CREDIBLE voice.
We need to act in a manner that has possitive effects for the KIDS at risk.
Shutting down a TC and ridiculing parents isnt going to do a damn thing to keep a troubled (or normal kid) from being sent to another program.
Public schools foot the bill for many kids who are refered to TCs.
Where do public schools get thier money?
Taxpayers!
If someone in here thinks Joe Homeowner/Taxpayer is going to come in here, and walk away with a plan to confront his local legislators, youve got your heads in your asses.
Many program tuitions are paid with medical insurance. Think you dont help fund that with the premiums you pay?
Think again.
Sitting in here bitching back and forth among ourselves and the filthy trolls is a perfect waste of time.
Its time the wheels were put in motion to take an active approach to the TC issue, the troubled parent issue, and the institutions that help pay for these places.
I do think the state of Fornits is a joke. A pathetic joke, plain and simple. I dont think its going to ever become a valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs our kids face.
Thus I have to question the purpose, and the Mo of the site creator/enabler.
I dont get it. Do you?
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I think I might have written this but forgot to log-in. But as I reread it and saw that the writter got their point across so well without the use of analogies and so briliantly that it could not have been me.
Well said, anon, I wish there were more people here who would focus their energy on solving the issues and helping these kids also.
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:rofl: :rofl: :lol:
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***I do think the state of Fornits is a joke. A pathetic joke, plain and simple. I dont think its going to ever become a valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs our kids face. Thus I have to question the purpose, and the Mo of the site creator/enabler.
I dont get it. Do you?
Have you ever been told that you might have an issue with unrealistic expectations? issues with control?
Did you read somewhere that the goal of this site was to become a "valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs"?
What exactly does that mean for you and what changes would you make? Do you want to take the helm and lead the members of this site, or want someone else to do it but to your specifications?
Your method of recruitment is lacking.
::boycott:: And start your own forum where YOU get to make the rules. YOU get to decide what is useful or not to survivors and unhappy parents.
BTW, What "specifically" are you doing to end abuse and death in programs?
Same question goes to you, Who.
Also, you make some valid points about school districts and insurance companies. What are your suggestions? Or were you just venting (bitching)?
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On 2006-06-19 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey do you want to give a synopsis of that post... its too boring to read the whole thing."
No, but Ill offer a suggestion: Find a hobby that doesnt require more than 3 minutes of steady focus.
Or, get your ritalin scrip refilled.
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On 2006-06-19 16:45:00, Deborah wrote:
"***I do think the state of Fornits is a joke. A pathetic joke, plain and simple. I dont think its going to ever become a valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs our kids face. Thus I have to question the purpose, and the Mo of the site creator/enabler.
I dont get it. Do you?
Have you ever been told that you might have an issue with unrealistic expectations? issues with control?
Did you read somewhere that the goal of this site was to become a "valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs"?
What exactly does that mean for you and what changes would you make? Do you want to take the helm and lead the members of this site, or want someone else to do it but to your specifications?
Your method of recruitment is lacking.
::boycott:: And start your own forum where YOU get to make the rules. YOU get to decide what is useful or not to survivors and unhappy parents.
BTW, What "specifically" are you doing to end abuse and death in programs?
Same question goes to you, Who.
Also, you make some valid points about school districts and insurance companies. What are your suggestions? Or were you just venting (bitching)?"
Obviously youre content with the mediocrity of fornits. Do you really expect me to single handedly motivate you to actually DO something worthwhile?
Armchair activists.
I do take an active role in my community which has referred a dozen kids to TCs in the last 7 months.
How many of your 1000 fornits posts can be defined as anything other than passive activism and/or critism to other members?
I'd like to say you and I have something in common IE an effort to keep kids from ill treatment. But I think your participation here is for your own twisted need to be a part of something self serving rather than self less.
Sorry, I dont have any more time for the defeatest attitudes.
If you think fornits aint broke...
Dont fix it.
Trust me, I dont have an overwhelming need to see this site change gears and become productive.
Sorry I gave you that impression.
Now back to your regurlay sceduled mediocrity, already in progress.
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On 2006-06-19 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
Hey do you want to give a synopsis of that post... its too boring to read the whole thing.
:nworthy: :grin: :tup:
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No, but Ill offer a suggestion: Find a hobby that doesnt require more than 3 minutes of steady focus.
Or, get your ritalin scrip refilled.
Face it, you're daft and a dreadful bore... :roll: :lol:
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Referring kids to TCs is activism? How are you being an advocate? How are working to end abuse / death in programs?
Did you read somewhere that the goal of this site (or the owner) was to become a "valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs"?
What exactly does that mean for you?
What changes would you make to Fornits, if it were your site?
Pretend to know, and refer, to 'more gentle' programs?
Ban people, like myself perhaps, who irritate you?
Seems You've got a little attention deficit problem going on there yourself.
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Did you read somewhere that the goal of this site was to become a "valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs"?
Isnt it?
Are we here to share our stories and do whatever we can to confront the teen help industry in an effort to keep kids from the same abuses we endured?
Or is Fornits just Gingers diplay of sick fucks who strengthen her claim that she is a victim of a TC and her parents owe her an apology?
What the fuck IS the point of this site?
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This is what I see:
We are here to share our stories and do whatever we can to confront the teen help industry in an effort to keep kids from the same abuses we endured?
This is what you see:
Or is Fornits just Gingers diplay of sick fucks who strengthen her claim that she is a victim of a TC and her parents owe her an apology?
Everyone does what they can and are inspired to do.
Again, what specifically do you want 'all of us' to do?
Is there a specific cause you want us (members) to join?
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What the fuck IS the point of this site?
To do exactly what you are doing, pontificate on any fucking subject you wish... isn't it obvious? :wstupid:
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On 2006-06-19 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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What the fuck IS the point of this site?
To do exactly what you are doing, pontificate on any fucking subject you wish... isn't it obvious? ::cheers:: ::cheers:: ::cheers:: :nworthy: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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On 2006-06-19 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hahaha of course you fucking fornits losers wouldn't care about finishing high school! of course you'd rather be a homeless fucking piece of shit on the streets because it's oh so much easier than actually trying to accomplish anything in life "
::unhappy:: ::spam:: ::both::
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On 2006-06-18 22:52:00, dniceo7 wrote:
"Yea, great idea, don't try to work things out with them. Go hide out with friends, I'm sure they won't get tired of you crashing on their floor eventually, I mean, I know I don't value my privacy at all either. I'd love to have some homeless kid crashing out at my place, eating all my food, trying to nail my sister every night. :roll:
But seriously, I think this is a pretty tough topic to tackle, certainly not black and white at all. I mean, if you catch wind that the escorts are coming, or manage to escape, what courses of action do you honestly have at your disposal? I'll support what you say about being lied to. My friend had the escorts come for him, but they made the mistake of letting him change in his bathroom unsupervised...he jumped right out the window and bolted, crashed with a friend for a couple days, "negotiated" over the phone, went home, and ended up right in CEDU's hands.
So I guess you can't negotiate, that apparently never works. But then what do you do? Can't go back to your normal high school, they'll be waiting for you there. Guess you could go get a head start on your life of waiting tables or pumping gas, but of course you'll have to get paid under the table because if you land a real job, they'll find you and send you away. Or you could get busy slanging drugs...oh man, what a glorious life that is. You might actually be successful at that for awhile, until you start thinking a little too big and end up doing a little state time.
Honestly, I'll challenge anyone to give me a good course of action to take if you know the escorts are coming/managed to escape from the escorts. Keeping in mind that we're talking about 14/15 year old kids (and assuming that negotiating with the parents is not an option, hell if you can work it out so you won't get sent away, go for it!!). I hate CEDU and those bullshit programs as much as the next guy, but I also can't imagine a life in this country without a high school diploma if you're a person with ambitions. [ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2006-06-18 23:01 ]"
go to the police. Explain you are in an abusive situation. Find a lawyer. Emancipate yourself. Stay with a family mamber or a freind. Put yourself in foster care. Foster with a freinds family . It can be arranged for the state of foster agency to pay for your care.
Try all of the above. The important thing to do is not negotiate- get away from your nutso parents and their weird desire for your Submission. Its not impossible. I know girls who did just that and are in college today. The important thing is to get the law involved on your behalf