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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 16, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
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Men Who Love Burgers and Loathe Sex
By Susie Bright, HuffingtonPost.com. Posted June 16, 2006.
There's an unhappy host of young men who seem to have soured on the mating game -- but why?
Advertisement One: A hunky guy stares at a sexy babe who appears before him -- she seems to crave his attention. He sees she would jump in the sack with him at the slightest encouragement! Yet, in the corner of his eye, he sees a brand-name beer waiting for his pleasure at an adjacent table. The beer wins his complete desire and attention; the foxy lady doesn't stand a chance.
Advertisement Two: A young man repeatedly chooses a big juicy taco over the invitation to score with willing and available girls.
Advertisement Three: Another young man is being observed in a laboratory environment. He is offered the pick between a delicious cheeseburger and a gorgeous, sexually-available wench. Overcome with his good luck, the boy gasps, "You mean I get to chose between a girl and a burger?" After a moment of suspense, he picks the girl. One of the lab observers turns to the other, and remarks, "What an anomaly! -- no one's ever done that before."
Welcome to the new breed of healthy young men who rate sex way beneath their other appetites. In this brave new world, girls are a pain, a disappointment, and rather dangerous to the soul. Self-preserving boys would rather be satisfied with a brew and bit of beef than an erotic tide of reckless passion.
Advertising agencies are capitalizing on our current generation's penchant for irony -- and yet there's a kernel of authentic confession in each of these promotions. There are lots of guys today who have sexually retreated, or soured on the mating game altogether, and you don't have to search out "Miller Time" or Taco Bell to find them.
Traditionally -- say, since the dawn of sexual stereotypes -- men have been the ones who were horny all the time, thinking with the little head instead of the big one; a heterosexual fool for Chantilly Lace and a pretty face. It was women who were supposed to say "no," who put the brakes on erotic interest in favor of their virtue or climb to success.
A woman who made an ass of herself over a sexual affair wasn't unheard of -- but she learned her lesson quickly, with a quick "Rules Girl" kick in the pants to join the feminine ranks of the sexually-reserved and pseudo-chaste.
When feminists and sex researchers started talking about women's sexuality in the 1960s, it became clear that one reason women didn't feel connected to their sexual self interest was because so many of them had never had sexual satisfaction to begin with. Finally, many liberated women spoke up, admitting that they'd never had an orgasm, and didn't know where to begin.
Sex is the one area men are supposed to excel in, by default. Their penis is so obviously "there"; their masturbation practice practically demands itself. They get an added helping of testosterone, and the same amount of encouragement to be virile that girls get to be virgins.
So when we see men today, non-plussed with sexual companionship, is it because they too, are losing their orgasmic pleasure, or because they lack desire altogether?
Let me make a brief caveat that this is not the experience of the majority, but the fact that it even exists as a tiny trend is noteworthy, because it is such a departure from the past. Sure, there are still plenty of horny men who will bark like a dog to get laid, but the big news is that so many young men in particular, are as ambivalent about sex as any pre-orgasmic housewife ever was. Some say that relief from their desire is a thing to envy.
These men say that (a) having erections is not automatic, (b) sexual pleasure can be elusive, and (c) having the drive to "score" is not their birthright. For some of them, coming out of the closet with their erotic alienation is a burden lifted from their balls. That burger is looking damn good.
The sensational event that has made so many unsatisfied men visible is the unbelievable sales of the erectile dysfunction drug, Viagra.
But what's so interesting about Viagra is the number of pills being popped for performance enhancement, not erectile dysfunction. Viagra in this case is used like a one-night insurance policy, a facsimile of a porn-star experience. These users aim for sexual performance the way they never had it. These aren't men looking for dreams of youth, they're youth who've discovered sex, in the prime of their lives, to be disappointing and even humiliating, because their penis didn't "behave" the way they believe it's supposed to, or because the pleasure it afforded them seemed less than the hype.
They aren't doing it for a thrill, they're using the drug to defend their reputations and their lovers' expectations. They know they're expected to produce wood, on contact, and that it won't be pretty if they can't. They fear their lover will feel scorned and unappreciated, and the backlash might get ugly. This anxiety is what promotes their use of Viagra, not their search for ecstatic sex. Not a very erotic or romantic picture, to say the least.
Why is sex problematic for men now, when such a "problem" was only women's in the past?
Sex research about men's erection dysfunction is woefully inadequate -- and Pfizer, Viagra's manufacturer, isn't sharing their trade insights. Instead, what we have is the gossip that has affected many American bedrooms. Ask a single woman who's dating -- and you're likely to get a story from her about how men aren't as sexually yearning, or as aggressive as they used to be. Are they shy, or is it something more? Chastity pledge blues or Paxil script? Ask the married woman who says she doesn't get it on with her husband at all without a dose of "V" in advance. And as for the porn industry- well, don't even ask!
The most alarming possibility as to why cocks are sagging is that something poisonous is in our water -- or our air, or our food -- you take your pick. Anyone who watches the cancer epidemic we're living in, or who takes a look at dropping fertility rates, has had the distinct nightmare that the human race has ensured its own destruction by creating our own ecological putsch.
The silver lining is the sensitivity argument, which would be a kind alternative: that men have had it with women's inane stereotypes about their bodies and minds. After all, men can be turned on without erections; they can achieve orgasm without a raging hard-on, and their emotions and minds are just as tied to their cock as any woman is to her clit.
Many men are exasperated with women thinking that boys can be satisfied with a warm hole and a squeeze. These are the guys who appreciate their own sense of foreplay, they dream of being seduced, and they want to be treated like an individual between the sheets instead of a stroke-by-numbers cartoon. I like this theory as a philosophy, and its feminist impulses. But physically, I don't think it explains our current predicament.
My chief indictment at present, the one we can prove, is Pharmaceutical Abuse. Many of America's favorite medicines depress the libido, and ironically, the most notorious ones are used to treat depression. Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and all the rest have made a lot of people feel "happy" at the expense of feeling horny.
Desire, along with sadness, anger, and other deep feelings, don't feel so pressing anymore with the new mood levelers. Men and women who got rid of their depression have told me that they miss their sex drive, but they find their new contentment to be enough compensation.
What saddens me is that a person would have to choose between their sexual passion and their will to live -- we used to think of those emotions as being part of the same joie de vivre.
And what infuriates me is that young people are being treated with this crap as if their libidos were expendable.
Advertisement Number 4: A group of buddies have gathered at one member's house to watch the big football game. They don't understand where their pal "Doug" is -- he hasn't arrived yet, and they know him to be a true fan. Everyone one of these guys is in their 20s and 30s.
The story cuts to Doug, coming home with groceries and a bouquet of flowers in his arms. He busies himself about the house -- making dinner, plumping pillows -- to delight his wife, who steps in from work a few minutes later. She is utterly enchanted with him, and the music swells with their desire. A voice-over breaks in to tell us how many men don't realize what erectile dysfunction is, or how common it is, and what can be done to treat it.
Meanwhile, back at the football party, we see the dudes shaking their heads and worrying about Doug's no-show. But now we realize, that this is not just a bunch of sports fans -- they're a room of guys who haven't been laid in ages, and it's their decision to refrain from the marriage bed, not their wives'. Pfizer's name flashes on the screen, and the narrator encourages us to contact our physician and ask for details. The name "Viagra" is never mentioned.
I find the spectacle of men's declining sexual self-interest disturbing. I never would have guessed that this would be the threat I'd be confronting thirty years after the modern gender liberation movement began. I'm an advocate for men being sexually sensitive and discriminating, but what I see in the erotic arena is mostly men who feel disconnected from their bodies, from the "dating game," and who feel terribly pessimistic that anything is going to change.
Like women who pine for an erotic revelation, they will often cherish romantic dreams of a "Princess Charming," a lover whose innocent gaze and mind-reading touch would deliver them from their despair and disconnection. Until then, that bit of beef and brew are looking better all the time.
179 comments follows this article here:
http://www.alternet.org/sex/37642/ (http://www.alternet.org/sex/37642/)
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Well, they say that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach, you know.
I love Susie Bright. She's pretty durned cool. I've been reading her stuff for god knows how long.
I wonder how prevelant this is with gay men, though? (Aside from the fact that any potential lay may also want to partake in said burger and beer.)
She brings up a good point with depression, but it is not always the meds that do it. Sometimes just untreated depression alone can be a problem. There are also mood stabilizers that don't inhibit the sex drive at all, but when a person is in a slump, sex isn't very attractive. Bipolar people (such as myself) can swing from extreme activity to complete dormancy. Sometimes the change from one to the other can happen as quickly as a few days.
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There are guys out there that would choose a beer or a burger over sex? Certainly not in my circle of friends. Where are these guys hiding?
I personally left a 3/4 full pint of Guinness ($5.50 at Cask n' Flaggon!!) sitting on the table as I left with a sexy little thing I played my cards with correctly just last weekend. But hey, if someone wrote it in an article, it MUST be true. I guess I'm just a freak.
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Hooking up, and relationships can be so annoying, folks are saying why bother.
It is not meds, or evolution ...
It is Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus ...
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And homos are from Uranus! :lol:
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Boston!
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On 2006-06-16 18:04:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"And homos are from Uranus! :lol:"
Exactly. Anyone who has decided that hooking up and relationships with women are annoying can only be described by two words. FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL!!
Frustrating? Taxing? Expensive? Mind-numbing? Of course! But annoying and not worth the effort?!? Fuck no. You fags go enjoy your beer and burgers, just leaves more women for the rest of us.
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Exactly. Anyone who has decided that hooking up and relationships with women are annoying can only be described by two words. FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL!!
No kidding!
Best to be pussy whipped and straight ...
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On 2006-06-17 01:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Exactly. Anyone who has decided that hooking up and relationships with women are annoying can only be described by two words. FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL!!
No kidding!
Best to be pussy whipped and straight ..."
Faggots can be just as annoying. Glory holes are built that way for a reason, you know. You get the dick, without having to deal with the rest of the person.
As Margaret Smith says: "People make me pro-nuclear."
...and hey, if you wanna be a spineless pussy whipped doormat milquetoast, go for it. It's amazing what boundaries people are willing to give up for sex. Many hapless dupes refuse to consider the fact that there might be someone else out there who will give them snatch and won't be such a totally nasty controlling cunt about it.
I don't think that's really what Susie is talking about, though. Being sexually avoidant is more involved than simply "being sick of women" or not wanting to get pussy whipped.
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Start With The Obvious
Posted by: Awake on Jun 16, 2006 12:47 AM [Report this comment]
Given a healthy young man who turns down an obvious, or apparently obvious, sexual invitation from a healthy young woman, the obvious conclusion is that he does not see the invitation as worth pursuing--in fact, he sees it as something to be avoided, and a decent meal is as good a diversion as any.
1. Can't perform dependably, that is, get a sustained, firm erection on demand (her demand). He has been shamed if he shows any sexual interest EXCEPT when the young woman has been ready and very willing. If he is not uncommonly handsome, wealthy or manipulative, that doesn't happen often, so why not just turn off the whole sexual circuit?
American women do their own version of Orwell's Anti-Sex League, then expect young men to be aroused when the women really mean it. Men never know when they really mean it and when they are selling something, or just messing with his head. Instead of dealing with the ambiguous stimulus array, why not just turn off the whole response circuit?
2. Don't seem interested. Sex for American single men has become such a source of shame, blame and inhibitory responses that sexual feeling itself has been repressed. A repressed sexuality weighs in when a young man sees a sexual stimulus and poses the question to himself: is it worth the risk of rejection? Not really. Even if he can score, is it worth the aggravation? Not really. Does he want to find out that she is making more money than he is in a job that is held open for women by women personnel managers? Not really. Will he really enjoy performing the sex on demand, auditioning his knowledge of the G-spot, the anatomy of the clitoris, his sense of pacing, and whatever else he is supposed to demonstrate for the privilege of being able to share close space with this young woman and perhaps enjoy a spasm of pleasure? Not really.
He decides, best to turn on the tube. At least there you know the women are selling you something, they can't reject you because they aren't really there, and you don't have to perform.
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On 2006-06-17 01:55:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:
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On 2006-06-17 01:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Exactly. Anyone who has decided that hooking up and relationships with women are annoying can only be described by two words. FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL!!
No kidding!
Best to be pussy whipped and straight ..."
Faggots can be just as annoying. Glory holes are built that way for a reason, you know. You get the dick, without having to deal with the rest of the person.
As Margaret Smith says: "People make me pro-nuclear."
...and hey, if you wanna be a spineless pussy whipped doormat milquetoast, go for it. It's amazing what boundaries people are willing to give up for sex. Many hapless dupes refuse to consider the fact that there might be someone else out there who will give them snatch and won't be such a totally nasty controlling cunt about it.
I don't think that's really what Susie is talking about, though. Being sexually avoidant is more involved than simply "being sick of women" or not wanting to get pussy whipped.
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Yeah, but you gotta go out there and find them, and what a pain (and dent to the wallet, like homeboy said...$5.50 for a pint down at the Flaggon) that can be. I can put up with some bullshit for a few months if she's a sexy little dime.
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Sexy little dime
That's a great turn of phrase. :wink:
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I can see why men are turned off by some women. I shall explain. I have a very high sex drive and have never had a problem either finding the desire for sex or finding women who feel the same. I have lived and worked in many places around the world. In Asia, I never went without. In continental Europe and Canada this is also the case. But let's take the UK for example. I found the women so unappealing, in their drunken habits, loud mouths and unsavoury behaviour. Few women turned me on.
I think it is something to do with the US/UK attitudes to life and work. It creates an environment that plants a wedge between men and women. Women have bought into sex equality equally behaving like the worst men. But that isn't equality: that is being a pig. I would never date of marry such a woman. I only date women from other countries because they behave better, are better conversation.
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Well, I know a number of women in the US and UK who are quite exciting without resorting to boorish behavior. Might I suggest that perhaps you are just less threatened by more submissive types who are conditioned to cater to the fragile male ego?
I will say I know a number of great Canadian and Italian women, but French women?! Never got the draw there... so lacking in humor and ease.
The whole equality issue is another ball of wax. Of course, women should avail themselves to all the opportunities and choices of men (vote, legal protections/rights), but I do rather like the dichotomy between the sexes, in terms of masculine and feminine energy. This is all possible without subjugation.
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On 2006-06-17 22:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, I know a number of women in the US and UK who are quite exciting without resorting to boorish behavior. Might I suggest that perhaps you are just less threatened by more submissive types who are conditioned to cater to the fragile male ego?
I will say I know a number of great Canadian and Italian women, but French women?! Never got the draw there... so lacking in humor and ease.
The whole equality issue is another ball of wax. Of course, women should avail themselves to all the opportunities and choices of men (vote, legal protections/rights), but I do rather like the dichotomy between the sexes, in terms of masculine and feminine energy. This is all possible without subjugation.
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Now YOU sound like someone that gets laid regularly. Can't tell if your a man or a woman by what you wrote, but liked what you said!
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I think Susy Bright ought to get out more. She's spending way too much time hanging out with urban, metro-sexual, sissy boys.
Personlly, I think these avoidant men have always been around. They just weren't as noticed or as prevelant as before. They are a product of a female dominated society.
Are we a femaile dominated society? I think so. I am old enough to remember the opposite. I was born long enough before the sexual revolution to remember when girls could not be policemen or astronauts. I'm not saying that is right or better. I am saying the pendulum swings.
Now we live in a world where safety and security are more important than freedom and personal choice and that, to me, indicates a Mom dominated society. You see in elementary schools where the vast majority of teachers are women and clearly don't like and can't deal with the boys natural tendencies to be active, destructive, and aggressive. That's why 84% of the kids on Ritelin are boys.
In the old days, when two boys fought (and we did), the men would simply break it up and say 'boys will be boys.' Now, we have women who abhore violence and can't figure out how boys are wired. They want to talk to these boys and instill the value that hitting is always wrong and send the boys to psychologists to figure out why they are violent. Boys get the message that being who they are, aggressive, risk-taking, and destructive, is inherently wrong and this damages the little tykes. Not that I condone fighting. I just think it takes time for boys to 'grow up' and learn a better way.
You also see it in the media. I watched the movie, Catch that Kid with my kid. Note how the girl manipulates both boys by telling each of them he is 'the one' so they will do her bidding? I see this more and more in kids shows. The girl is portrayed as the smart heroine, solving the mysteries and passionatly pursuing her goals while the supportive SNAG (sensitive new age guy) is portrayed as the sweet, loyal, supportive, but not too bright, guy who is totally devoted to the girl and not gettin' any.
This is not equality, it is role reversal with a female dominated twist. What I mean by that is when the pendulum swung, we moved from the stereotype Hero; the guy wins the day and is rewarded by getting the girl (in more ways than one), to the Heroine, where the girl wins the day and the supportive guy gets to cuddle with her.
Niether stereotype represents equality.
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Pretty fuckin' well said, I'd say.
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Women know within 15 minutes if they want to have sex with a dude. If they don't let us know, it is their fault.
I don't know, when you read a constant torrent of studies like "more than half of women prefer chocolate to sex", and "three quarters of women never achieve orgasm during vaginal intercourse", you don't exactly feel encouraged to jump into bed.
Why bother? Give her a small tub of Haagen Daaz ice cream and she'll likely be happier. Stick with your hand and she won't have to fake it. It's depressing, really.
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On 2006-06-18 17:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Women know within 15 minutes if they want to have sex with a dude. If they don't let us know, it is their fault.
I don't know, when you read a constant torrent of studies like "more than half of women prefer chocolate to sex", and "three quarters of women never achieve orgasm during vaginal intercourse", you don't exactly feel encouraged to jump into bed.
Why bother? Give her a small tub of Haagen Daaz ice cream and she'll likely be happier. Stick with your hand and she won't have to fake it. It's depressing, really."
Speak for yourself man, with an attitude like that, of course your girl is gonna be better off with a tub of ice cream. And who listens to/believes those bullshit studies anyways? You stick with your hand, send your girl over my way, and I'll help her join that happily satisfied "25%".
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As a man if I were to begin making judgements about women's sexual patterns, interests and behavior the response would be, in my experience, a vehement and immediate rejection of my opinions and observations.
Men do not know what it is like to be a woman would be the more common comment I suspect. Thus, as a corallary, I consider as marginal what women say about men as they have scant knowledge and minimal understanding regarding the subject.
Their perspective is limited and frequently distorted by personal biased, resentment and envy.
For this article I would say that men are much more than their "little brain" (a sexist and demeaning description) and that it is what is beyond the surface (body, face, hair) that is equally attractive.
Feminity as it supplements masculinity is what has been waning in the progression of womens social development. Advertising takes advantage of this situation
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Ladies, how about a nice pair of cheeseburger flavored edible undies to get your man in the mood?
Or the new pepperoni mushroom and onion bubble bath/body wash?
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More and more men understand that the behavior and attitude of too many "modern" women proves the validity of the old rule. "If it flies, floats, or fucks, it is cheaper and better to rent."
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You bash someone earlier for being misogynistic and then you go and say that "all men" have no clue about the female anatomy. If you don't want someone stereotyping us as women, then don't stereotype all men. My husband is very "clued" in as have been most men I know. Yeah, there's a few who make me want to cry for their partners, but we're not all exactly experts either.
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Its been my experience, that the ratio of women who a)actually like sex and b) are any good at it, are extreemly rare. So why go out of your way and risk humiliation, rejection, and most of all waste a lot of time, when the likely hood of a even passibly pleasureable experience is less than 5%?
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You don't get out much do you?
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In my experience it's a combination of factors that lead men to avoid sex.
In my own case:
I've sat in bars and listened to men discussing the women around them and found myself absolutely revolted, found every word of theirs filled with violence and misogyny and never, ever, ever wanted to be put in the same category with them. I then have found myself in relationships with women who have slept with men of exactly that type and aren't remotely impressed by my would-be chivalry-feminism. It's confusing and frustrating; you sacrifices your rank in the Idiot Alpha Male game, out of a sense of self-respect and believing women will respect you more. Instead you find women seem to despise you as much as men for it, and you're at the bottom of every pile.
Then there's the Demand To Perform. Only sometimes I can't--and I've found that this started happening as soon as I started taking anti-depressants. And, of course, with pressure it just gets worse.
And then there's the "Princess Charming" dream that Arianna wrote of. Where does this come from? I really have no idea. But somehow it exists in the psyche of a lot of us, and--oops!--it's bullshit.
Now tack on to that the Numbers Game that every member of this generation loves to play--find yourself having to lie your way into double-digits when your friends of both sexes (and remember, you are only in your mid-twenties) are giving out 30s and 40s which makes you feel ashamed, strange, and insecure, and the association sex=humiliation takes pretty solid form in your mind. And you realize you're in a sexual culture every bit as bad and psychologically harmful as that of the religious right, and well damn it if you wouldn't rather have a cheeseburger.
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Frankly, I find the whole premise of this discussion to be amazing.
Are there really millions of hot and horney american women out there who are just dying to jump anything that moves and has a pecker?
Maybe-- if you happen to be CEO of AT&T (and can prove it on the spot).
Otherwise, lots of luck to you. On the whole, american women are neither friendly nor approachable. At least, not in comparison to many other cultural traditions. To american women, men are all potential rapists, pedophiles, or just plain boring. At least, thats what they see on "Lifetime".
I think the answer to the "mystery" of young men not being interested in american women is obvious- they're simply too high maintnance to be worth the trouble. Take those same guys and give them a shot at French, or Tai, or Brazilian women and see what happens.
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The men sitting around not getting laid to avoid a relationship should leave/divorce their current partner and move on. I take a lot of pleasure from sex, I still wake up with a wood every morning and have to jack it twice a day if I don't get a good solid fuck every couple days, so I don't really get the whole not fucking by years thing. I do understand guys not wanting to let girls control them though. As soon as I hear any talk about what new business I am starting, hows my financial situation, what are my goals, I start to cringe. In this forming female dominated society I think it's important to remain as 'manly' as you can, if only to not start acting like a woman... there are already enough of them out there. (they outpopulate men)
I also read an article the other day saying that they are having to do a sort of male affirmative action program at a lot of colleges, because the females are consistently outperforming the males and if judged strictly on the academics, they would soon outpopulate the boys two fold. Our schools, work and everything else is being shifted to accomodate woman... but what about the young boys, just gunna build more prisons? :???:
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On 2006-06-21 21:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its been my experience, that the ratio of women who a)actually like sex and b) are any good at it, are extreemly rare. So why go out of your way and risk humiliation, rejection, and most of all waste a lot of time, when the likely hood of a even passibly pleasureable experience is less than 5%?"
Wow...I feel really bad for this guy. :lol:
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On 2006-06-23 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Frankly, I find the whole premise of this discussion to be amazing.
Are there really millions of hot and horney american women out there who are just dying to jump anything that moves and has a pecker?
Maybe-- if you happen to be CEO of AT&T (and can prove it on the spot).
Otherwise, lots of luck to you. On the whole, american women are neither friendly nor approachable. At least, not in comparison to many other cultural traditions. To american women, men are all potential rapists, pedophiles, or just plain boring. At least, thats what they see on "Lifetime".
I think the answer to the "mystery" of young men not being interested in american women is obvious- they're simply too high maintnance to be worth the trouble. Take those same guys and give them a shot at French, or Tai, or Brazilian women and see what happens."
French women just like to fuck anything that uses deodorant....especially when youre at work! Cant complain about how often they toss your salad though...woohoo!
Thai or Brazilian and see what happens?
Dude, 99% of either race is fucking disgusting. And a growing number of them have not always been women.
At 40, I dont have too much trouble meeting women and getting down to business. Most of them are 25-32 and THEY are not looking for any sort of commitment unless they have three fucking kids at home.
Theres some validy in a few of the comments in here though. It gets more and more difficult finding a nice down to earth reasonable gal who doesnt want to see your fucking investment portfoilio and retirement plans before she accepts the 7th rum and coke you buy for her.
And thats another thing. Since when is buyng a gal a drink *code* for "suck my dick later?"
Womens attitudes these days can be defined as nothing less than prostitution plain and simple. Im not an incredibly handsome guy, but I make a 6 digit living which seems to make a big difference. I often do social experiments to prove a point to friends...show up at a bar unshaved, with an old t-shirt, jeans and tennis shoes...no watch, ciggarettes in the shirt pocket.
Needless to say I might have a half a chance going home with the widow wino who owns the place...but I couldnt buy a one nighter if the last good looking single chick in there at closing time was overdosing on extasy.
On the other hand, if I spend a little time on the "find some pussy" end of the wardrobe, shave, use a little "axe" and lay down the visa gold on the bar with a good attitude and a little wit and personality...3 out of 5 times I go fishin...some hot slut takes the bait.
Problem is, the only ones that are not forced out the door the next morning have a husband looking for them.
Id like to meet these men who love burgers and loathe sex, And laugh in thier faces.
But I dont think they exsist...
Your hubby or boyfriend isnt chosing a burger over your pussy, hes getting a burger... and someone elses pussy.
As long as they keep doing that, Ill keep fuckin married chicks who always seem to find the door in the morning all by themselves.
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To the extent that sex (or not) is a problem in today's world it is caused by a sea of pollutants, a sea of unnecesary prescription/other drugs, mental problems, dna problems, greed problems, religious problems, wars, diet problems and overpopulation. The first thing we should fix is the greed/war problem caused by the Bushies.
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Aw come on...they've been having a pretty interesting discussion here and you want to go and drag politics into the goddam mix??
AS IF that reeeeeally has that much to do with anything being talked about?? >YAWN<
Zzzzzz in advance. :flame:
Please let's not go there....please??? :grin:
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On 2006-06-23 22:00:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Aw come on...they've been having a pretty interesting discussion here and you want to go and drag politics into the goddam mix??
AS IF that reeeeeally has that much to do with anything being talked about?? >YAWN<
Zzzzzz in advance. :nworthy:
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Your hubby or boyfriend isnt chosing a burger over your pussy, hes getting a burger... and someone elses pussy.
:nworthy: :tup:
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I think the new advertising stereotype new breed "...of healthy young men who rate sex way beneath their other appetites" betrays a "conservative Christian" subtext, and castration anxiety.
I mean "Jesus" wouldn't jump into bed with the first women who came along, would he? And since the young women in the TV commericals cited above are the sexual aggressors, the young man, like the Arthurian Percival, has to protect his chasitity in his quest for his personal "Holy Grail," a hamburger in this case.
The Viagra, and similar products' to "fix"erectile dysfunction, commericals play the castration anxiety theme to the hilt, as it were. The otherwise virile, entering middle-age, husband, can no longer pleasure his sexually insatiable wife. The world is turned upside down! God's plan is out of kilter without the intervention of the "miracle" of modern pharmacology. Viagra is dropped, erection achieved, all's right with the world! "God" is happy.
Think about it. Chasitiy and castration anxiety are two constant subtexts of current Republican political messages. Just think about the conservative aversion to sexual equality in the workplace, "abstinence only" sex ed and war, war, war.
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Advertising women are not the sexual aggresors, they are the reward for drinking the right beer, driving the right car, and of course, eating the right burger! As Jessica Simpson displayed quite vividly in the cheeseburger commercial after the release of the Movie "Dukes of hazzard" The rest of your post fucking disgusts me.
Funny but I dont recall which burger chain the ad was for. I can assure you of this though, it wasnt any of the family oriented burger chains like McDonalds, or BK or Wendys.
Must have been Jack in the Box or Carls Jr. Which are burgers made for REAL men.
Real sexually passive men that is.
Speaking of The dukes of Hazzard. The greatest show EVER. Why is it that whenever Daisy Duke had a romantic interest in a man, it was for the sole purpose of decieving him to get the money?
Id say that show is singlehandedly responsible for todays treasure hunting women dispite whatever science is out there to prove women instinctually seek out the most able provider.
What difference does any of it make anyway?
I get laid just below the level of frequency I would like to get laid. Only a deserted Island with just myself, a dozen 18 year old bisexual cheerleaders and the absence of cows, pigs, cheese, and mayonaise could offer me total sexual bliss.
When a cheeseburger interupts the current level of the frequency of which I have intercourse, its not beause my own insticts of attraction to child bearing hips has been somehow interupted by a naturally carnivorous desire to consume beef or anything. I just accept the fact that I have already had the best pussy I am ever going to have...ever and theres a cheeseburger out there on any corner that will fill an intimate void for $5 bucks, and stay with me through the angioplasty, the tripple bypass, and the last heart attack.
Ladies, get in line behind the Beer, the BBQ, the Television, the fishing boat, the motorcycle, and the garage that needs cleaned. All those things bring me far more and longer lasting pleasure at a much cheaper price than your kitty does. You women have been telling us men for years that our priorities are out of tune.
Now that fucking you isnt at the top of the list, shouldnt your liberation be complete.
Heres an idea, go fuck yourselves until Im done eating my burger.
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On 2006-06-24 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Advertising women are not the sexual aggresors, they are the reward for drinking the right beer, driving the right car, and of course, eating the right burger! As Jessica Simpson displayed quite vividly in the cheeseburger commercial after the release of the Movie "Dukes of hazzard" The rest of your post fucking disgusts me.
Funny but I dont recall which burger chain the ad was for. I can assure you of this though, it wasnt any of the family oriented burger chains like McDonalds, or BK or Wendys.
Must have been Jack in the Box or Carls Jr. Which are burgers made for REAL men.
Real sexually passive men that is.
Speaking of The dukes of Hazzard. The greatest show EVER. Why is it that whenever Daisy Duke had a romantic interest in a man, it was for the sole purpose of decieving him to get the money?
Id say that show is singlehandedly responsible for todays treasure hunting women dispite whatever science is out there to prove women instinctually seek out the most able provider.
What difference does any of it make anyway?
I get laid just below the level of frequency I would like to get laid. Only a deserted Island with just myself, a dozen 18 year old bisexual cheerleaders and the absence of cows, pigs, cheese, and mayonaise could offer me total sexual bliss.
When a cheeseburger interupts the current level of the frequency of which I have intercourse, its not beause my own insticts of attraction to child bearing hips has been somehow interupted by a naturally carnivorous desire to consume beef or anything. I just accept the fact that I have already had the best pussy I am ever going to have...ever and theres a cheeseburger out there on any corner that will fill an intimate void for $5 bucks, and stay with me through the angioplasty, the tripple bypass, and the last heart attack.
Ladies, get in line behind the Beer, the BBQ, the Television, the fishing boat, the motorcycle, and the garage that needs cleaned. All those things bring me far more and longer lasting pleasure at a much cheaper price than your kitty does. You women have been telling us men for years that our priorities are out of tune.
Now that fucking you isnt at the top of the list, shouldnt your liberation be complete.
Heres an idea, go fuck yourselves until Im done eating my burger.
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After reading your post it's really no surprise that you get laid BELOW the level of frequency you would like!! Jesus man....go ahead and eat your burger, your belly is probably so big it would be hard to find your dick anyway!! :lol: :lol:
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I tend to avoid younger American women these days because so many of them have become so vulgar, abrasive, and self-righteous that it kills any desire I may have to get to know them, let alone make the emotional and financial effort necessary to get into a relationship with them. Women in this society may still be biologically female, but they've long since stopped being feminine, and they don't seem to realize that men are attracted to the latter at least as much as they are to the former. With their newfound promiscuity and coarse speech and behavior, not to mention those god-awful tattoos they keep getting, women are trying to act like men. And that's exactly why men don't want them anymore.
This is also why increasing numbers of American men -- and more to the point, increasing numbers of younger, successful, attractive men who wouldn't have any problems getting laid -- are looking for wives outside the United States. Why settle for some slutty, beer-swilling, tramp-stamped shrew when there are literally hundreds of millions of quality women available in places like eastern Europe, East Asia, and Latin America? And no, men aren't doing this because they want to marry doormats or slaves. They're doing it because they want to marry ladies.
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Think about it. Chasitiy and castration anxiety are two constant subtexts of current Republican political messages. Just think about the conservative aversion to sexual equality in the workplace, "abstinence only" sex ed and war, war, war.
Well I see what you're getting at...but the overall materialistic bent that you were talking about (concerning American women..hell, probably not just American women) is certainly nothing new...you know?
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With their newfound promiscuity and coarse speech and behavior, not to mention those god-awful tattoos they keep getting, women are trying to act like men. And that's exactly why men don't want them anymore.
This sort of stuff doesn't always bother me...
To be fair I'd say that there are plenty of 'ladies' out there that have some of these characteristics.
I hear ya, though...
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After reading your post it's really no surprise that you get laid BELOW the level of frequency you would like!! Jesus man....go ahead and eat your burger, your belly is probably so big it would be hard to find your dick anyway!! :lol: :lol: "
Yawn, I get laid *almost* as much as I want to get laid. And no, your crystal ball lied, I dont have a belly. The post, for the most part wasnt serious you idiot. Go back to reading your tantra books to put you to sleep so you can dream of a man that doesnt speak.
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It's an oft-told tale. I have no problem with my sex drive and never did. Of course, most women I met and were initially interested in weren't interested in me, a stable, intelligent though not a handsome guy. I was never in the "in" crowd. This could be par for the course or, more likely to me, because most women in high school and college who I was attracted to were simply immature and wanted the "in" guy who was handsome. I looked for intelligent, attractive women, but unfortunately, wasn't wise enough myself to look for wise women too.
Be that as it may, I eventually found my mate late in the game and she's a good person. We could barely contain ourselves before we got married. And after we married all was fine for around a year before she got pregnant. Many things change in a woman when she goes through pregnancy. One of those things are the hormones. My wife, who as on anti-depressants, had to change medications. Suddenly, and I do mean suddenly, she had no physical desire for me. See the change in that desire didn't coincide with the pregnancy but with the change in medication.
Unfortunately, she's never admitted that this is a problem. We've had one child and now a second. She's changed medication again because the second pregnancy was terrible on her. "Morning sickness" existed day and night for 9 months - the entire pregnancy. It was made worse, intially, by the medication she was on. It got nominally better after she switched.
of course, I did not expect her to be arroused by me during this period at all. No one wants sex when they feel like throwing up. But now that this is over and our second is a year old, she still has no where near the desire she use to have. It's not age, she's still in her 20s. It's not me, I'm in my 40s and by all accounts, my sex drive should be deminishing. It certainly hasn't increased.
The only consistant change is she's not on her original depression meds. I really, really want her to get off them entirely (though this is a sore subject since she's convinced she can't overcome depression by herself - a sad but true tale of drug company advertising and non-helpful but paid-by-drug-company psychiatrists) but will settle for her just going back to her original medication. But she won't. She refuses because she is happy. She doesn't want to risk having any problems switching back. But the side effects (of Zoloft) are causing a real problem in our marraige she refuses to see. I'm lucky if I'm... lucky 3 times a year. This is not normal. I'm never one to force myself on someone else; that's rape. But damn it, this makes me angry at her, the drug companies, and at psychiatrists who perscribe drugs first and real treatment later if at all.
I know our marraige would be better off with her at worst on her old drug but I believe it would be better without drugs entirely. That's a pretty amazing statement isn't it. I'm claiming to know what's better for someone else or at least what would be better to try. Arrogant? Not really.
I know what depression is like because I have suffered it too. And I beat it after several years, without the use of drugs but with therapy and the evolution of how I view the world and life. I know if you don't go through that evolution or try to fix yourself in this way, you are missing out on what could be a much better life. Instead, I am convinced that many people simply give up after too short of a time and decide to simply take a pill to make themselves better. And it hurts not only them, but those around them as well. And suppression of libido is just one of the side effects. Emotions tend to be depressed all the way around. Things are still funny and happy and sad but not as much. And that misses much of what life is and should be. And that's a crime against yourself and nature. My conclusion: the drug industry is our problem.
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Yeah I think you are onto something. When I was on anti-depressants/anti-anxiety meds I could barely get it up. I had really no sex drive at all. The most ironic part of it all, the meds didn't work and being embarassed while having sex made me feel worse. WTF?
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Things are still funny and happy and sad but not as much. And that misses much of what life is and should be. And that's a crime against yourself and nature.
That's really scary to think about.... :scared:
Maybe I should take a pill so I won't think about it as much...? :???:
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There are two good ways to last forever,
where rubbers or be on meds!
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Too bad your dad chose the meds, instead of the rubbers.
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I sort of buy the pathologization of boyhood. That's one reason, of many, why I don't want my kids in school. I don't want them to learn that all male behavior is pathological.
John Gatto writes some about this in the Underground History of American Education:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm) Basically, the New Deal, Victorian erra thinking was that the elite were giving us rabbal a hand up by reacculturating us to the proper comportment of an underclass. It seems to be working quite well, too. Fucked, isn't it? So wake up and break out of it!
There is no devil and no hell. Thy soul will be dead even sooner than thy body: fear therefore nothing any more.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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On 2006-06-25 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Too bad your dad chose the meds, instead of the rubbers."
Ha!
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Quicktime is needed to view this video of John Taylor Gatto's speech.
http://www.edflix.org/gatto.htm (http://www.edflix.org/gatto.htm)
Each of the 19 segments can be viewed online or downloaded individually to save.
World Prosperity, a public domain, has analyzed the root causes of social dysfunction, and they've traced the solution to methods of education. With the intention of disseminating information, they have produced a series of online educational videos and are offering these programs free of charge at their website.
Public domain. Please credit World Prosperity.
Of special interest to homeschooling families is the 2-1/2 hours of videotaped material presented by John Taylor Gatto, a strong advocate of homeschooling and former Teacher of the Year in New York. As many here know, John has been very frank and outspoken about what works - and doesn't!- in the nation's public education system.
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Are we supposed to have sex, or eat, while watching this video?
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(http://http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1400052580.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
burger + sex = :???:
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I could eat Giada all day long ...
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The freak accident that left my son
obsessed with sex
By BECKY SHEAVES, Daily Mail
4th July 2006
A skiing accident left Alexander Laing with damage to the frontal lobes of his brain.
A skiing accident left Alexander Laing with severe damage to the frontal lobes of his brain. He has become reckless in his sexual behaviour, losing his inhibitions. His stepmother Deryth, 72, tells Becky Sheaves how his family has coped:
An army skiing accident left Alexander Laing, 31, with severe damage to the frontal lobes of his brain. This area controls social and moral judgment, and Alexander, of High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, has become reckless in his sexual behaviour, losing his inhibitions. Here, his stepmother Deryth, 72, tells BECKY SHEAVES how his worried family has coped.
When I saw Alexander after the accident, I was aghast. He was in intensive care, unconscious and covered in tubes. It was awful. But the Army doctor reassured my husband, Tony, and me that when he woke up he'd be the same as he'd always been.
If only that had been true. Instead, six years later, we have learned what brain injury can do to a fit, confident young man who had his whole life ahead of him.
No inhibitions
Alexander made a fantastic physical recovery, but the damage to his brain has had an extraordinary effect on his sexual behaviour ? he has completely lost his inhibitions.
Back in his early 20s, his future was looking so bright. He'd been a difficult teenager, probably because he'd lost his mother to cancer when he was just ten. She was a close friend of mine and I supported Tony, her husband, and his children, Alexander and Joanna, by cooking them a meal every night.
Tony and I grew close and we've now been married for 20 years. Alexander calls me Mum and I think of him as my son. I'd do anything for him, just as I would for my other children.
As a teenager, Alexander went to the military boarding school where his grandfather, a brigadier, had been a commandant.
But he hated it and, at 16, he dropped out and spent a year at home, arguing with us. He refused to study and brought home strange girls to stay the night. He drove us to despair.
A family friend who was a colonel in the Army Air Corps then persuaded him to sign up.
Alexander went for basic training when he was 18 and his life turned round. He got fit and had plenty to keep him busy. He played hockey for the Army and went on exercises in Australia and Germany. The Army was good for him.
In 2000, he decided he wanted to make the Air Corps skiing team. It seemed a long shot as he'd only been on a couple of school skiing trips, but he got a chance go to Lillehammer in Norway to train.
It wasn't as though he was off to a war zone, so I wasn't at all concerned about the trip. But at 11pm on December 4, 2000, there was a knock on the door. It was an Army major, telling us Alexander had been in a serious accident.
He had been skiing behind two other soldiers when he'd hit a bump, fallen backwards and tumbled down the mountain, hitting the front of his head several times.
Tony and I rushed to be with him. We were sick with fear. An MRI scan revealed that the front of his brain had become corrugated by the repeated impacts, but we were told he would recover fully.
It wasn't until Alexander returned to the UK, to an Army hospital in Gosport, Hampshire, that we had an inkling of the problems he faced. He was doing all sorts of bizarre things: kicking off his bed covers, refusing to wear clothes and even sleeping on the floor.
A nurse on the ward had been caring for brain-injured patients for 21 years. She said his behaviour was a textbook case of frontal lobe damage. 'He'll improve for the first two years,' she said. 'But that will be as good as he gets. After that he'll stay the same.' She was right.
At that stage, Alexander could hardly speak and was almost completely paralysed down his left side. I did everything I could think of to stimulate his brain. I took in family photographs and would spend hours showing them to him.
Irreversible damage
One day, a neurologist came to examine him and found that the damage to his frontal lobes was irreversible. We were devastated.
We were told that the brain's frontal lobes play a key role in personality. This was discovered about 160 years ago when a railway worker, Phineas Gage, accidentally drove a metre-long metal pole through the frontal lobes of his brain.
Gage astonished doctors by making a full physical recovery. But his character had changed: he became quick-tempered and foul-natured ? very different from his former self.
We were warned that even though Alexander's intelligence could remain intact, his social behaviour could alter radically. But we didn't realise that it would free up his sexual desires.
Alexander went into a rehabilitation centre and things seemed to be going well. But as he grew stronger, the change in his behaviour became more apparent.
He persuaded the centre to discharge him after just six months to a hostel in Kent, where he had heard there were a lot of other young people recovering from accidents. He believed he would have fun there. We soon realised he was far from ready to be living independently.
Obsessed with sex
Alexander was obsessed with sex, but in no position to have a real relationship. He was still physically infirm, mentally vulnerable, impulsive and easily upset.
He got himself a computer, but soon ran up a £600 bill looking at internet pornography. Then he attacked one of the other patients ? a recovering stroke victim ? who had, he said, been rude to him.
The police were called and Alexander was thrown out of the hostel and put up in a hotel. As he now confesses, he was like 'a dog on heat' and went on a rampage through the hotel completely naked, looking for sex. Again the police were called. This time, he spent the night in a cell.
Alexander then lived with us, but we couldn't cope. He would walk through the house naked and aroused.
But it was his violence I found even more worrying. He picked a lot of fights with his father and I was scared he would do something drastic. Once, he threatened to grab a kitchen knife and attack him. We realised he would have to return to rehab.
Back in the clinic, Alexander spent another three months having intensive cognitive therapy, helping him to read people's body language and understand when he was receiving the brush-off. Slowly, he realised other people have feelings and points of view, too.
A big improvement came when Alexander was prescribed a beta-blocker, which calmed him and took the edge off his violence and sexual risk-taking.
But he's still very 'over-sexed'. It's like a hidden agenda which is always on his mind. Sadly, this is unlikely to change. He is, though, a lot better than he was.
He has learned to treat women as more than objects. Once, when he was in rehab, he took a bus and saw a girl he liked the look of. He moved from the front to the back so that he could spend the journey staring at her breasts. I hope, and believe, he now realises this sort of behaviour is inappropriate.
Aleaxander tends to have relationships with foreign girls. He says it's because he prefers them and he likes their accents. I think there's more to it. British girls can spot quickly that he still speaks with a slight slur and isn't quite 'right'.
Foreign girls don't pick up the signals and so tend to be more receptive to him. After all, he's a good-looking, very fit young man with a kind heart.
Compensation
Tony and I tried to get some financial compensation from the Ministry of Defence, as Alexander wasn't wearing a crash helmet when he had the accident. But the case collapsed and we ended up owing the MoD more than £20,000 in costs.
I'm sure the closeness of our family has helped Alexander to rebuild his life. My son Michael and his wife and two children live near Alexander and often pop in to check on him. He also has a care team and sees his psychiatrist every three to four months.
Alexander has done brilliantly integrating into society. He has moved from sheltered accommodation to his own flat in Milton Keynes, although he comes home to us most weekends. He also goes to salsa classes and is religious, which he had little interest in before. He often goes to church.
He's a good person and I'm proud of the way he is so positive about his life, even though I sometimes find it hard to share his optimism for his future.
The damage to Alexander's frontal lobes seems to have exaggerated his character, although experts aren't sure if this is the case. I think the impulses were always there, but the lack of inhibition means he cannot control himself.
Perhaps one day he will meet a girl with whom he can settle down, and who will love him the way he is, just like we do.
A Channel 4 documentary, Mindshock: Sex On The Brain featuring Alexander Laing and his family, will be shown next Monday at 10pm.
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It's a sad story and all but this is farking funny as hell...
As he now confesses, he was like 'a dog on heat' and went on a rampage through the hotel completely naked, looking for sex.
:lol: