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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 09, 2006, 09:10:00 PM
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I saw quite a number of teenagers, many of them being rowdy, some of them singing along to the Offspring, some quietly cutting in line, etc, etc.
And then remembered and realized that a great many programmies want to lock them up in hellholes, and a great many other perverts want to do other things to them.
I'd rather have a fifteen-year-old punch me in the back of the head than see him locked up in a program.
I think it's about time we stopped talking 'round here and started emptying places the hard way.
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You have a very solid point.
A good ass kicking is less harmful than a program (assuming you do it right- don't start breaking bones or doing serious head hits), teaches lessons more effectively, and is absolutely free!
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I think it's about time we stopped talking 'round here and started emptying places the hard way.
Hey, not a bad idea...whatever it takes. :tup:
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TSW - it is the same attitude as yours why the kids in these camps DO get the shit beat out of them on a regular basis.
So... Offspring is still popular.. who knew?
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TSW, abuse is abuse, whether it is some counselor, or the kids's parents. Give it a rest with the BEAT THE HELL OF KIDS, OK?
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On 2006-06-09 19:24:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"That's the spirit.. Didn't say break him in two, but damn.. society has gotten so consquence free from all the absurd p.c. stupidity no wonder so many kids go wrong.
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids. Another fellow thumped on his girlfriend he got his ass kicked by the girlfriends brothers.
I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.
A specific case of a young migrant worker who sold some crack to some gal who o.d.ed on the crap and nearly died.. well he just dissappeared.
I am not advocating vigilante justice and stringing people up, but the accountability of society has been pissed away for or so called nuevo culture shit. This new culture has brought us absolutely jack shit in the way of progress unless you call taking pictures of a cruxfix in a jar of piss as progress. For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps.
Man.. Parents.. be god damn parents.. It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler
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That was surreal to read that post coming from someone who is against programs, or at least claims as much.
I can't help but chuckle at your arguing two sides of the spectrum in the same post, you say kids need to learn personal responsibility by parents letting them deal with the consequences of their behavior.
But then you go on to say that if a girl (lemme guess, a pretty young white girl?) buys some crack off the street off some (dirty brown illegal) Mexican, then it is the Mexicans fault that girl OD's and (almost) dies? LMAO!
After SHE bought the drug on her own volition? An illegal drug that is known to KILL and addict people? She bought a totally random substance off the street, what would you expect?!
Organizing a posse to kill someone who sold your kid some bad crack? LOL! You have got to be kidding, right? After your whole spiel about kids living with the consequences of their actions?
It's funny because I used to hear this same 'back in the old days things were better' rhetoric at the facility I was locked up at. 'If only we still had the paddle' they'd say... wow, how this is all SO familiar!
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On 2006-06-10 02:18:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
I am dead set against TBS programs,
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Then why dont you donate all that money you made working in TBS Programs to abused children?
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Then why dont you donate all that money you made working in TBS Programs to abused children?
Why doesn't your MOM donate all her money to them, asswipe? :wave:
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It is not the Al Gore Douche Bag Liberals who are getting rich off off the TBS you claim to hate. It is the neoconartist, rightwing, Republican contributing theives. Also look at present role models, i.e., the Ken Lays (whose real millions reside in off-shore bankd) and others of this country who barely get a slap on the wrist for pillaging their companies, driving them into bankruptcy; the war profiteers like Haliburton who are not even scolded when they can't explain what happened to billions of dollars sucked out of the American economy and given to them by, who? Al Gore and company? Oh and then there is lovely United Airlines who gave away millions to their executives but had to dump the pension plan (cutting back benefits) on the American public, cancel health plans for the retired etc. As long as you are rich I guess "consequences" don't apply. The list goes on and on and it is not the Al Gore Douche Bags that are behind it or getting rich off of it. By the way I DO consider what was done to you to be abuse, which may be one reason for your apparent rage. Your family would not have had to resort to violence if they could really parent. I know many extremely successful families where the parents never had to resort to physical violence; perhpas that is why they are successful.
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Agree. A parent/grandparent who slaps a child in the face, needs to learn some parenting skills. A parent who resorts to hitting a child with a belt, needs to learn some parenting skills. A person who thinks this is OK, needs to rethink how to deal with children, any children; or stay away from children. Hitting kids is not OK.
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I get the feeling that 2 springs is having some fun with you people here :lol: I agree with his sentiment though. If i had a kid who threw something at someone it would only happen once!!!!
Whatever happned to the days when kids just dressed ridiculously & smoked dope to assert their independence!
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On 2006-06-10 12:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is not the Al Gore Douche Bag Liberals who are getting rich off off the TBS you claim to hate. It is the neoconartist, rightwing, Republican contributing theives. Also look at present role models, i.e., the Ken Lays (whose real millions reside in off-shore bankd) and others of this country who barely get a slap on the wrist for pillaging their companies, driving them into bankruptcy; the war profiteers like Haliburton who are not even scolded when they can't explain what happened to billions of dollars sucked out of the American economy and given to them by, who? Al Gore and company? Oh and then there is lovely United Airlines who gave away millions to their executives but had to dump the pension plan (cutting back benefits) on the American public, cancel health plans for the retired etc. As long as you are rich I guess "consequences" don't apply. The list goes on and on and it is not the Al Gore Douche Bags that are behind it or getting rich off of it. By the way I DO consider what was done to you to be abuse, which may be one reason for your apparent rage. Your family would not have had to resort to violence if they could really parent. I know many extremely successful families where the parents never had to resort to physical violence; perhpas that is why they are successful. "
Look dumbass Ken Lay and United Airlines doesn't have shit to do with raising a child. Look hard retard and you will see again and again that TSW does not advocate beating the child to death or torture. A pop in the mouth for being a smart ass was common for me when I was coming up, and it didn't hurt me any.
Al Gore Liberal Douche Bag... :rofl: :rofl:
Right on.
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Look hard retard and you will see again and again that TSW does not advocate beating the child to death or torture
Well then, let's give this man a medal!
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On 2006-06-10 12:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is not the Al Gore Douche Bag Liberals who are getting rich off off the TBS you claim to hate. It is the neoconartist, rightwing, Republican contributing theives. Also look at present role models, i.e., the Ken Lays (whose real millions reside in off-shore bankd) and others of this country who barely get a slap on the wrist for pillaging their companies, driving them into bankruptcy; the war profiteers like Haliburton who are not even scolded when they can't explain what happened to billions of dollars sucked out of the American economy and given to them by, who? Al Gore and company? Oh and then there is lovely United Airlines who gave away millions to their executives but had to dump the pension plan (cutting back benefits) on the American public, cancel health plans for the retired etc. As long as you are rich I guess "consequences" don't apply. The list goes on and on and it is not the Al Gore Douche Bags that are behind it or getting rich off of it. By the way I DO consider what was done to you to be abuse, which may be one reason for your apparent rage. Your family would not have had to resort to violence if they could really parent. I know many extremely successful families where the parents never had to resort to physical violence; perhpas that is why they are successful. "
cmon you guys lighten up, twosprings was being FUNNY :silly:
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I dont know who 1/2 of these people are. I know the pure lady sued wwasps sucessfully & then ironically started a business advising parents on which kidnapping service to take to what horror school.
Im curious though. Whats your beef with Gore? He seems like an ok sort of fellow. A little weak perhaps but fairly inoffensive.
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Gore's not bad. TSW is just a grumpy conservative.
say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile.
--Kurt Vonnegut, American author
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TROLL BAIT is TROLL BAIT...
May trolls suffer a 1000 days in a crappy, kiddy, kindy, hakwon!!
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TSW, did you see the South Park that made fun of Al Gore?
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On 2006-06-11 03:16:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"No I really do think Al Gore is a waste of space and a douche bag.
Last being a firm parent has nothing to do with politcal affiliation. My parents were democrats who whaled my ass with a belt on a regular basis. My grandparents are all old school New Deal democrats who didn't take any shit from me or anyone else.
As for Haliburton? Thanks for the stock tip I will be sure to invest accordingly.
If TCs were interested in treating substance abuse, half the time they'd tell mom "Sorry ma'am, we can't help him. He's not an addict, he's just an asshole.
--GregFL
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You say your parents hitting you with a belt and in the mouth helped you become a better person than if they had not, but then you grew up to do the exact same thing to kids in a teen help camp. The cycle of abuse continues, violence begets violence.
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Pls Help: the PURE LADY did not "sue WWASP successfully." Sue Scheff did not WIN ANYTHING.
WWASP actually was unsuccessful in a lawsuit against Sue Scheff: BIG BIG difference there.
Sue Scheff already had her company, PURE at the time WWASP filed a lawsuit against Scheff.
Perhaps you might need to "read up on this teen help business a bit more, OK?"
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Shut your fucking hole you lying sack of shit!!
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To you rightwing douche bags who missed my point: it is about COLNSEQUENCES. The theme of TSW's rant. Obviously you all think it is ok for the wealthy to suck more wealth off of the American Public WITH NO CONSEQUENCES (except more money);oh it just lovely to rip off pensioners. It is ok to violate every ethical standard in this country WITH NO CONSEQUENCES (Except a fatter wallet). It is perfectly ok to get rich off the blood of "troubled teens" and GET REWARDED WITH AN AMBASSADORSHIP. It is ok to make millions off the troubled teen industry perpetuating the very industry you pretend to hate.. You are a phony and a mindless vigilante. You don't care about the kids at all and your idea of consequences is a little sick. ::puke::
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Look dumbass Ken Lay and United Airlines doesn't have shit to do with raising a child. Look hard retard and you will see again and again that TSW does not advocate beating the child to death or torture. A pop in the mouth for being a smart ass was common for me when I was coming up, and it didn't hurt me any.
Al Gore Liberal Douche Bag... :rofl: :rofl:
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Uh, the subject was CONSEQUENCES (and lack thereof for the likes of United and Ken Lay) You must have had one too many pops in the mouth that went straight to the wrong part of the brain. Oh, maybe those pops in the mouth account for why you have a problem expressing yourself in a civil manner. :lol:
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Your MOM has trouble expressing herself in a civil manner..
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On 2006-06-11 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-11 03:16:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"No I really do think Al Gore is a waste of space and a douche bag.
Last being a firm parent has nothing to do with politcal affiliation. My parents were democrats who whaled my ass with a belt on a regular basis. My grandparents are all old school New Deal democrats who didn't take any shit from me or anyone else.
As for Haliburton? Thanks for the stock tip I will be sure to invest accordingly.
If TCs were interested in treating substance abuse, half the time they'd tell mom "Sorry ma'am, we can't help him. He's not an addict, he's just an asshole.
--GregFL
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You say your parents hitting you with a belt and in the mouth helped you become a better person than if they had not, but then you grew up to do the exact same thing to kids in a teen help camp. The cycle of abuse continues, violence begets violence."
Now you are flat out a liar.
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On 2006-06-11 18:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-11 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-11 03:16:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"No I really do think Al Gore is a waste of space and a douche bag.
Last being a firm parent has nothing to do with politcal affiliation. My parents were democrats who whaled my ass with a belt on a regular basis. My grandparents are all old school New Deal democrats who didn't take any shit from me or anyone else.
As for Haliburton? Thanks for the stock tip I will be sure to invest accordingly.
If TCs were interested in treating substance abuse, half the time they'd tell mom "Sorry ma'am, we can't help him. He's not an addict, he's just an asshole.
--GregFL
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You say your parents hitting you with a belt and in the mouth helped you become a better person than if they had not, but then you grew up to do the exact same thing to kids in a teen help camp. The cycle of abuse continues, violence begets violence."
Now you are flat out a liar. "
On 2005-07-06 21:36:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
At Three Springs I was involved in almost 200 full on physical restraints. No one seemed to be alarmed with this number, and seemed to accept it as part of business with my group. In the end I instituted several programs to reduce restraints, but received little support from the administration. Lets delve into my responsibilities as a counselor a bit more.
I let myself be seduced into a sick culture. I let my experience of one good program fall to the wayside, and became a part of the sick Three Springs Machine.
I regularly used intimidation to force compliance.
I regularly used physical holds when they were not needed.
I rarely used proper proceedures when conducting these physical holds.
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#115011 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10757&forum=9&start=0#115011)
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On 2006-06-11 03:16:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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I regularly used intimidation to force compliance.
I regularly used physical holds when they were not needed.
I rarely used proper proceedures when conducting these physical holds.
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#115011 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10757&forum=9&start=0#115011)
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And you should pay for your crimes.
Is that why you are hiding out in a foreign country,sucking cock in Korean Sauna?
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Karen may be back. But most people just don't like the idea of smacking a kid across the face, or promoting the idea of beating kids with a belt. It's that simple, really. Has nothing to do with Al Gore, sex, or goats. Face slapping and belt whooping is abusive.
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On 2006-06-12 06:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Karen may be back. But most people just don't like the idea of smacking a kid across the face, or promoting the idea of beating kids with a belt. It's that simple, really. Has nothing to do with Al Gore, sex, or goats. Face slapping and belt whooping is abusive."
Well,if you could just spend about five minutes in a room full of Korean kids,you would soon be on the "slapping kids in the face with a belt" bandwagon.Trust me!
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I don't trust anyone who thinks slapping kids is ok.
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If that were true I would leave my job in a heartbeat, it's just an excuse.
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Y'gotta whip their asses now & then to keep 'em in line!
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Sounds like SOMEONE just should not work around kids, period. Kids just seem to annoy this person to the point of wanting to strike out at the kids in a physical way.Suggestion: find a job around adults only.
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Kids benuhfit frum a good ass-whuppin' wunce in a wile. Its uh fact!
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An if yuh dont wunna go to the trubble of whippin em, firin a hot cuppa coffee on em kin shure do the trick..jest make shure its not too damm hot!
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Rivers of Shit, do you think you could whoop the poop outta Three Rivers? You two sure talk a lot about whooping the crap outta kid. Might be fun to see you two take each other on! HA HA!
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TSW is a mean motherfucker. My money's on him.
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tsw you do alot of good. But yeah lay off advising murder of dirty immigrents, and group take downs of kids who "mouth off", I mean...thats pretty much the definition of program.
If you are agaisnt immoral incarceration of youth I dont think you know who your enemies are. Its liberals who support human rights of children. Which include not being incarcerated and tortured w/o even being accused of a crime. Look who wwasps contribute to. Its not liberals. Its republicans
Its kinda sad that people are so influenced by media stereotypes that they somehow automatically equate al gore and acceptance of bullying. Liberals defend those being violated the republican party tends to violate
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On 2006-06-12 18:21:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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What if the kid cusses at you in a language other than English?
It seems Asian parents are not so uptight about "dirty words" and dont beat their kids like Americans do,and though most of these little Korean kids are obnoxious and ill mannered and deserving of a belt buckle slapping to the mouth,they seem to be pretty peacful as adults ,compared to Americans.
I see Korean boys constantly slapping their girlfriends in the back of the head,and its well known that Korean men are abusive towards their wives,more so than Chinese or Japanese.
Just hang out at the bus stop in the morning and take a look at the heavy makeup they wear to cover up their black eyes.
Its a totally different culture.
Its the American culture that allows the abuse of American kids by people like you who work in these programs.
I dont think ANY Korean kids get "taken down" for mouthing off by people like you.
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TSW its not one or two people who are posting here criticizing your musings on using unnecessary force just for the hell of it, it is many. If you didnt notice most people who post here abhore child abuse in any form.
If I ever have children and one cusses me I will take a belt to his or her ass right quick and in a hurry
Do your kid a favor and don't have them.
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Q: How should I punish my son effectively and properly? He wrote a swear word on his teacher�s calendar.
A: Corporal punishment is not the answer. Children just learn to avoid doing things when they think they might be caught. It can make kids sneaky. I believe that having him make restitution and give an apology to the teacher would be more effective in keeping him from doing such a thing in the future. If you want to make sure an apology is delivered, help him write a note to the teacher and help him deliver it. Have him ask the teacher how much it will cost to replace the calendar and then have him earn money (or take his allowance) to replace the one he defaced. I think that will be effective and he ends up with a bit of closure on the issue.
http://www.stophitting.com/answers/ (http://www.stophitting.com/answers/)
I suggest you read this website it has a lot of useful information.
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Oh 2 springs. You Crazy Man!
As much as i dont really agree with getting hysterical everytime somebody smacks their 4 year old for doing something dangerous (it only trivialises actual abuse) You still have not told us what conservative values opening a big can of whoopy ass instills in a youngster. Is it that conservative sense of self control and moderation that clinton lacked? Is it an adherence to strong moral values? is it a work ethic? is it what jesus would do? (not many smelly hippy left wing types wear that t shirt after all)
Or do you just espouse it because
A) it is great fun to get a rise out of everyone
B) you were smacked a lot as a boy and you feel you did ok + it means you dont have to waster valuable time looking for other methods of teaching kids self control
or is it a little from colums a a little ffrom column b :grin:
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Do I give a shit what other people think? Fuck no. Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse. Its all good they got plenty of ritilan for their kids so they can abuse them in the worst way possible like most of them already do.
It's not one option or the other, ritalin or abuse, a lot of parents succesfully raise their children without hitting, slapping, or any other type of physical or emotional abuse.... and without the "help" of pharmaceuticals. It ain't just one or the other.
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"< Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?
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On 2006-06-13 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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< Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?"
::bump::
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On 2006-06-13 08:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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< Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?"
::smokingun:: ::bump::
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On 2006-06-13 08:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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< Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?"
::smokingun:: ::bump:: "
:wave:
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On 2006-06-13 09:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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< Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?"
::smokingun:: ::bump:: "
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-06-13 09:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 09:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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< Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?"
::smokingun:: ::bump:: "
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On 2006-06-13 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 00:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
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Its not my problem that the parents of the USA have confused a swat on the ass with child abuse.
Sure,there ARE spankings,beatings and even ass rapings that dont leave any kind of scar,but I believe firmly that THERE ARE NO HUMAN BEINGS THAT WERE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A SPANKING!
I was abused and beat as a child,and I just dont see any reason to punish anybody with corporal punishment.
I have a Saudi friend who makes a lot of sense when he explains why,in his country,he believes it is very apropriate for a DOCTOR to surgicaly remove a mans hand who has broken the law.My friend thinks his country is a much safer place to live because of that form of punishment.
I understand him and he makes a lot of sense when he explains this stuff to me,but in the end I believe it is wrong for the government to sentence criminals to having their hand cut off.Its just wrong,and so is spanking a child.
There are other ways,you just have to take a moment to use your brain to figure them out.
Maybe you could get a good paying job "taking down" people your own size rather than young children.
Were you ass fucked by a Russian sailor in a Korean sauna when you were a child?"
:nworthy:
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On 2006-06-13 20:08:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"You still are rambling with great incoherency. You amuse me with your rash assertions and douche bag al gore liberalisms.
I actually did have a job once where taking down adults was part of the package. They always fought less than the kids. Mighty nice of them to be so oblidging. If you want a voluntary urine sample from me it'll have to be a taste test.
--Bumper Sticker
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But you are living in Korea.
Korea is an international country.
Haven't you yet had the chance to make any contact with people from other nations?
You could learn a lot from people from other countries.You dont have to agree with them,but you could get a better perspective about the things that go on in America by talking with them.
Why are you so worried about this Al Gore?
He's just a TV personality.
What about the real people around you?
What do they think?
Its easy to meet interesting and intelligent foreigners in Korea.
I guess you are spending too much time in the Korean sauna taking it in the ass from Russian sailors.
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On 2006-06-14 06:19:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"I don't worry about Al Gore in the slightest. Most Koreans haven't the faintest idea about who the fuck Al Gore is and at the moment due to the World Cup soccer they probably don't give a shit either.
I have learned alot from other people here in Korea. For instance, I learned that if you want to find slave labour from Pakistan just go all the way to the end of the Light Blue Subway line and get off at Oido station. From their hop a cab to Machine town.
My perspective on America is ever changing, but my love for my country has always remained a constant. I am not butthead Canadian I realize all to well my country is a flawed and imperfect vessel. Hence my view that most modern politicians of any political stripe are all shitheads.
I also learn that Limey chicks give great head even if they all have fucked up teeth.
Not all Thai girls are hookers.
The best mate to depend on in a bar brawl come from Oz.
Yet none of those people I doubt even have a clue who the hell Al the Douche Bag Gore is, and nor do I suspect they care either.
Only met two russians and they were both female and they were also attempting to offer me services to be negotiated in front of my girlfriend. Neither of the Russian Gals I bet would have given a fiddler's fuck about Al The Cumquat Gore.
The only thing I really have learned is their are Four types of countries in this world. Whiny bitch ass mother fuckers like Canadia. They should be shat on regularly until they drown in a sea of shit that has corn chunks in it still. Posers like France who talk alot of shit and turn around and sell weapons to whoever will buy them. France my favorite country to hate and I pray I see the day the Eiffel Tower is reposed by Uganda. Do gooder dim wit countries like the USA who are subjected to the constant shifts and tides of the political process. I love my country but fuck if they ever have an open hunting season on Senators I am so on the next flight home. And last every other country who is just trying to hustle a buck to stay a float. More power to the bitches and the foriegn aid check is in the mail.
An Animated Cartoon Theology:
1. People are animals.
2. The body is mortal and subject to incredible pain.
3. Life is antagonistic to the living.
4. The flesh can be sawed, crushed, frozen, stretched, burned, bombed, and plucked for music.
5. The dumb are abused by the smart and the smart destroyed by their own cunning.
6. The small are tortured by the large and the large destroyed by their own momentum.
7. We are able to walk on air, but only as long as our illusion supports us.
-- E. L. Doctorow "The Book of Daniel"
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Pakistani Slave Labour?
These fucking Koreans are TOO LAZY to take a factory job,like their hard working fathers and grandfathers did!
Sure,they will take a low paying job at Baskin Robbins or Lotteria,but when it comes to the 3 D's,Dirty/Dangerous/and I forget the other D,these lazy wife beating Koreans will leave it to the Chinese/Indonesian/Pakistanis to do.
Korean,NUMBER FUCKING TEN!
a'Worlda a'Cuppa!
Did you say "a'Worlda a'Cuppa!?
Fucking stupid Koreans (that's what most of my Korean friends say!).
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On 2006-06-09 19:24:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.
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Fucking stupid Koreans.
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On 2006-06-16 16:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-09 19:24:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids."
I bet he never mouthed off to his teachers again.
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A letter to Three Springs Waygookin
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.
This could also be read as follows: ?When I was in a program for disrespectful children as a young sprout I remember a friend of mine mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids?
What is the difference between children taking the law into their own hands in a regular school as opposed to a program? Because you seem somewhat dim I?ll answer this question for you: There isn?t a difference and if there is a difference it?s that it is expected and condoned in a program. Using your logic, this could only be construed as a good thing. Everyone is justly punished according to their misdemeanors in a program. Thus justice - or more specifically - your form of justice is served. Do you not see the inherent contradiction within your statement? The dichotomy of reason? You cannot have it both ways.
I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.
First of all in never slapped a kid in my life. If I ever have children and one cusses me I will take a belt to his or her ass right quick and in a hurry, but never have I slapped or spanked kids in a program.
So, beating children teaches them to behave and become better adults? According to the above quote you yourself were beaten as a child for cussing, were you not? Now, correct me if I?m wrong, but you also condone the use of violence in order to teach children ?lessons?. Now you can re-read your posts and tell me if you really learnt your lesson about cussing? I suggest you go at once to your mother and ask for another beating! Your lesson was clearly, plainly and obviously not learnt.
*Good parenting, according to you, is what?s required to end the programs.
*Good parenting, as far as you?re concerned, involves beating children if they misbehave to teach them a lesson.
*You had, by your definition, ?good parents? since they beat you when you cussed.
*Your parents? beatings taught you nothing as you continue to cuss.
*Therefore you?ve totally contradicted your own rule!!
*...Thus proving that beating children to teach them a 'lesson' doesn't do a damn thing!
A specific case of a young migrant worker who sold some crack to some gal who o.d.ed on the crap and nearly died.. well he just dissappeared.
This isn?t a very ?specific case?. Please explain to me your definition of the colloquialism ?disappear?. Did he discover the Ring of Power? Did he perhaps receive an all expenses paid trip to France? If you?re going to relay what you consider a ?specific case? you could at least BE SPECIFIC! You may not have said murdered but the implication is there.
If he was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs
So you do know what happened to him? What did he deserve? You must keep in mind that although you profess to dislike the programs for what they do to detainees, many of the kids within them are drug dealers, drug users and drug abusers. These programs exist for kids purportedly involved with drugs. Yet you claim drug dealers deserve worse than ?being disappeared?. Unless ?disappear? does in fact mean that he got a trip to France your statement implies that they should be in the programs being abused and beaten and perhaps - if you?re really lucky ? ?disappeared?. The implication with this is that the programs must be good; as they deal with the supposed drug dealers you hate so much. Again, there is a massive hole in your reasoning.
My so called "cycle of violence" is more of this Al Gore Douche Bag liberalism in living color
You are wrong. The cycle of violence is evident in your very own words. You were beaten as a child for cussing and you choose to beat your own children should they ever cuss. However, being beaten clearly never taught you that cussing is bad as you continue to cuss. Go ahead, beat your children when they cuss and then take a look at yourself to see where it?ll get them. Nobody learns a single thing! The only thing you?re left with IS a cycle of violence. Nothing more, nothing less.
I did what I did as a result of being thrust into a desperate situation in at the time I wrongly felt I had no other options. Not because my ass got spanked with a belt when I was seven years old.
Did it ever occur to you that because your ass got spanked when you were young that you gravitated towards negative situations; much like a child will desperately want to touch the hot stove once it has been expressly forbidden to do so? Or conversely, that the drug dealer you so despised was, like you, ?thrust into a desperate situation at the time? when he felt he ?had no other options?? What separates your mistakes from his? Why should you be so deserving of special treatment? Does your compassion only extend to yourself?
(I?m not saying that you?re wrong on this, I?m saying its just as likely that what you did IS a result of being spanked as it isn?t a result of being spanked. There is no way you can prove it. There is only one of you. There is no control experiment.)
Wanting to end the programs is great. However I?m not sure for what reasons you want to do this. You seem to be confusing respect with servitude. In order to gain respect, you' need to show respect. Beating people for being disrespectful merely breeds fear and promotes more violence and disrespect.
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TSW there are alot of anons on this site I didnt say slapped kids nor would i condemn you if I did becasue I know those places warp them mind....
However it is implausable you are the real TSW unless the real TSW is insane due to the uncountable number of contridictions of your post. So many I can only respond to a small % You are agasint program yet in favor of all that goes into program
***When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.?? ??OH no.. poor jonny got beat up on the play ground at school for mouthing off to his teachers. Gee... no shit Jonny.. stop mouthing off then. ****
Surely you see the similarity between kids beating up a child in for mouthing off in a regular school, and kids beating up a child for mouthing off in a therapy school?
The difference is, in therapy school kids are expected and given reign to beat that kid
Surely you can see the berserk contradiction of wanting to end program yet of wanting to begin program in regular school?
Enforced beatings outside program-good Enforced beatings inside program-bad?
It is my body and I do not accept that a bunch of 5-17 year olds have the right to decide when I am ?bad? and beat me for it. It is my body and it should not be violated whenever a bunch of children want to violate me. Why should I as an individual have my body broken whenever a group of children feel it should be?. Who the hell are you, and a bunch of 5-17 year olds to make that decision? Are you insane? That?s is exactly what program is!
***my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it***.
**** I love this person running on saying that because I think a belt to the butt or a slap to the mouth is ok then I must have done similiar in programs****
you mean your beating that had**my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it***.
You say it is good for guardians of little children to beat them but as the guardian of children you did not beat them.If beating helps why dont you beat? So you say one thing and do another. Either that or you are lying and did beat kids. Tell me, are you a liar or a hypocrite?
***For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps. ***
You say beatings stop the problems of children which make them need terror camp.. Since program gives them what they need-beatings- it is a contradiction that you are against them. Someone needs to beat those problems away when the parents aren?t doing it. Ask the survivors of these hellholes if the terror and beatings they endured helped make their problems stop
You say that kids are in program because they were not beaten enough. Do a search and find out about the home life of these children. You will see that all who do not end up loving(brainwashed) programs will not describe a home life of too much coddling and too little beating. All if not close to all were beaten if not abused. So why do you insist that beating kids keeps them well and out of program? Where is your evidence?
Ask the survivors if what their life at home sadly lacked was beating.And this lask is what casued their sorrow
**For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps. ***
Children need to be in terror camp?. If they need to be there why are you trying to end them? Do you see the contradiction? All if not almost all of the kids never needed to be institutionalized. Ask the lady who runs this forum if she needed to be there?
***This new culture has brought us absolutely jack shit in the way of progress unless you call taking pictures of the crucifix in a jar of urine as progress. For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps. ***
You really seem to believe all the worlds ?problems? -for example bad modern art, come from children and immigrants not being beaten enough. Program beats children into submission. Yet you are against program. See the condriction? Why end program when this very day I saw someone make a collage?
***Theres a specific case of a young migrant worker who sold some crack to some gal who o.d.ed on the crap and nearly died.. well he just dissappeared. ?**
So you didn?t mean you murdered him? How did you make him disappear? Are you a wizard? Did you buy him a loft in NYC so he could persue his dream of working in the fasion industry? Since you don?t use the phrase in the typical way PLEASE tell me how you use it. Oddly, you still have not specified
And please?, don?t worry about looking like your backing off a boast that carries serious implications. (not too serious though?hes just an immigrent after all!)
***. If he was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs***
What? Worse then being ?disappeared??(term generally reffering to murder but can also refer to invisibility sheilds)? You do know that almost all these programs exist for kids supposedly involved with drugs?
Because you say that ?getting disappeared? is good, and program is much worse, than by your own definition program is good for kids..Yet you are against program?You see the contradiction here right?
Certainly if a kid deserves much ,much worse then never being seen again for involvement with drugs he deserves program. So all the kids in program deserved it right? The kids in tranquility bay? The Strsights? Kids? The AARC? The lady who runs this forum? Almost every single program is intended to deal with kids who are supposedly on drugs.
Please tell me are you the real TSW or are you just completely insane? My guess is that you are a troll No one could be that absurd except in parody.
***Still spouting your new age liberal douche bag philosphy are you? Please write me another letter when you have a clue. ***
Perhaps instead of name calling you could refute that posters arguments. Afterall, you dont want to make TSW look not just insane but also stupid. Besides, apart from the conceptual thing concerning spanking and violence, there wasn't anything even remotely close to philosophy. Just simple logic and reason. Do you even know what philosphy means?
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Still spouting your new age liberal douche bag philosphy are you? Please write me another letter when you have a clue
Are you going to respond intelligently to anything I have said? You could at least try. It seems as though you have resorted to the tactic usually reserved for the weak of mind - insults.
Any response, besides an insult, will suffice. Even if it means using the same convoluted, egregiously contradictory writing I just criticized you for.
Come to think of it, I didn't even need to write that stuff to condemn you - you condemn yourself every time you post something!
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Why should I respond at all? You have yet to make a legitimate point. More quasi liberal hanky stomping verbal masterbation
Yes, good point! You've just given more evidnece to the claim that...
..you condemn yourself every time you post something
You probably shouldn't respond if you can't be mature about it. After all, insults make it look as though you cant think of a legitimate counter argument.
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How much are you getting out of this again TSW?
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3 Springs: I wanted to respond to your statement, "kids in a program perform a group beat down not out of respect for thier counselors, but out of self preservation."
I don't totally disagree with your statement:
But at Whitmore Academy; the program kids were ordered to gang up on and beat up their fellow students by the owner of the facility--so there are different reasons for "group beat downs" than self-preservation.
OFTEN kids are MADE to beat up each other for the mere sick satisfaction, and enjoyment of these facility owners.
The kids must obey; or they become the "target."
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Thus far you have again and again attempted to connect completely unrelated facts to prove some bizzare conclusions.
Thus far I have connected statements made by you to prove some apparent points and highlight the glaringly obvious contradictions within your standpoint. The most obvious one - and the one you completely failed to address ? being?: Hitting children does not teach them anything. Contrary to what you persistently claim, slapping children is not going to solve any of societies problems.
You call getting a slap in the mouth abuse. You further claim that because I was slapped in the mouth and spanked on the ass I gravitated towards negative situations and therefore perpetuated a cycle of violence when I worked at a TBS.
Ok now why should I respond to such utter tripe? Even a friggin moron could figure out that the two events are completely unrelated.
Ok first off... Did you even read my post? I never 'claimed' that the two WERE related; I merely suggested it as a possibility. Suggestions are not claims. Why you've attacked the one thing that I clearly and explicitly said was purely a POSSIBILITY, and not something I claimed to be fact, is beyond me. Like I already said? "I?m not saying you?re wrong on this...?
You call getting a slap in the mouth abuse.
Where did I say this? Please point it out to me. The only times I even mentioned the word abuse was in reference to drug users (abusers) and the abuse that occurs within the programs. Don't go jumping to conclusions. I don't consider a slap on the wrist 'abuse'. However, even if I did, you are still missing the point. Which is:
HITTING CHILDREN DOES NOT TEACH THEM ANYTHING!
Nor does it prevent crucifixes being dunked in piss or children being sent to terror camps. What you clearly fail to understand is that many of the children within these programs had just the type of stern-iron-fist-parenting that you advocate. Yet, you claim that this type of upbringing is what?s needed to keep them out of the programs. Do you see how obtuse this appears? I find it amazing that someone with such primitive ideas even knows how to use a computer. Healing societies ills ? or at least curbing teenage problems - does not simply come down to parents slapping their children when they are out of line. This IS your stance on the matter, am I correct?...
....That's the spirit.. Didn't say break him in two, but damn.. society has gotten so consquence free from all the absurd p.c. stupidity no wonder so many kids go wrong.
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids
And...
If parents actually gave half a shit about their kids and were not such damn doormats then TBS programs would not be such a booming industry.
I'll say it again? Many of the children within these camps were raised using the parenting methods that you think will keep them out.
Second you claim that kids who beat the hell out of each other on the playground is exactly like kids who beat the hell out of each other in a program. First of all you are so wrong its not even funny. Another wild claim strung together to prop up your dead ass stupid arguement. Kids in a public school are not subjected to group consquences hence they do not have the same motivations as kids in a program. Kids in a program perform a group beat down not out of respect for their counselors, but more out of self preservation. They feel out of desperation that if they do not resort to physical violence on a peer then they will suffer for his actions via group consquences. Kids at school are motivated by entirely different reasons
Wrong! First of all, I was saying that a public school where kids are permitted to ?take the law into their own hands? in order to silence ?troublemakers? is essentially no different than what occurs in a program. In other words: a school where children are given sovereignty to beat another child en masse as a ?consequence? for breaking the rules or misbehaving is in no way dissimilar to the way programs operate. Yet this type of public school is, after all, what you seem to be yearning for?
?When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.
??OH no.. poor jonny got beat up on the play ground at school for mouthing off to his teachers. Gee... no shit Jonny.. stop mouthing off then
If you support this kind of system within public education, I can hardly see why you would be so against the programs. Promoting and advocating that it?s acceptable for children to beat up kids who ?mouth off? and misbehave will only result in program-esque public schools. I was not, as you stupidly assumed, claiming that kids in public schools are not subject to group consequences. However if you want to argue that?
?You are wrong here also. Kids in public schools are subject to group consequences. It?s far more concentrated and severe in programs but it occurs in public schools nonetheless. It happens quite frequently and is usually the product of a penalty known as ?collective punishment?. Teachers use it regularly. When one child misbehaves the whole class is punished as a collective. Sometimes the ?innocent? children will harass, taunt and abuse the troublesome ?guilty? child in a misguided, or perhaps subconscious, attempt to prevent future penalties.
Anyway, this is all besides the point? Let?s get back to the main discussion which you completely avoided. It goes like this: Spanking/slapping/hitting children DOES NOT prevent them from misbehaving. It DOES NOT teach them anything. IT DOES NOTHING! The funny thing of course, is that I have used an individual (you) who claims that physical punishment prevents problems to prove that it doesn't. Ah, the irony... Anyway here is the stuff you completely ignored...
According to you, hitting children is beneficial and can ?teach? them ?lessons?. For example: Hit children if they cuss so that they shall no longer cuss. Here is what you said...
I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.
First of all in never slapped a kid in my life. If I ever have children and one cusses me I will take a belt to his or her ass right quick and in a hurry, but never have I slapped or spanked kids in a program. .
?Fuckwad, dipshit, limp dicks, Fuck no!, fuck, fucked up, etc etc?
If parents actually gave half a shit about their kids and were not such damn doormats then TBS programs would not be such a booming industry.
Here are the obvious conclusions that most rational, logical, sane people will make using the above comments...
So, beating children teaches them to behave and become better adults? According to the above quote you yourself were beaten as a child for cussing, were you not? Now, correct me if I?m wrong, but you also condone the use of violence in order to teach children ?lessons?. Now you can re-read your posts and tell me if you really learnt your lesson about cussing? I suggest you go at once to your mother and ask for another beating! Your lesson was clearly, plainly and obviously not learnt.
*Good parenting, according to you, is what?s required to end the programs.
*Good parenting, as far as you?re concerned, involves beating children if they misbehave to teach them a lesson.
*You had, by your definition, ?good parents? since they beat you when you cussed.
*Your parents? beatings taught you nothing as you continue to cuss.
*Therefore you?ve totally contradicted your own rule!!
*...Thus proving that beating children to teach them a 'lesson' doesn't do a damn thing!
There was also this little nugget of wisdom that you neglected to rebut...
Firstly, you said this...
My so called "cycle of violence" is more of this Al Gore Douche Bag liberalism in living color.
...and I replied with the blatantly obvious...
You are wrong. The cycle of violence is evident in your very own words. You were beaten as a child for cussing and you choose to beat your own children should they ever cuss. However, being beaten clearly never taught you that cussing is bad as you continue to cuss. Go ahead, beat your children when they cuss and then take a look at yourself to see where it?ll get them. Nobody learns a single thing! The only thing you?re left with IS a cycle of violence. Nothing more, nothing less.
Also, from what I can gather you seem to have complete disdain for drug dealers, correct?
If he was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs
And yet you completely avoided my thoughts on the inherent contradictions within your stance on drug dealers and the program detainees...
?So you do know what happened to him? What did he deserve? You must keep in mind that although you profess to dislike the programs for what they do to detainees, many of the kids within them are drug dealers, drug users and drug abusers. These programs exist for kids purportedly involved with drugs. Yet you claim drug dealers deserve worse than ?being disappeared?. Unless ?disappear? does in fact mean that he got a trip to France your statement implies that they should be in the programs being abused and beaten and perhaps - if you?re really lucky ? ?disappeared?. The implication with this is that the programs must be good; as they deal with the supposed drug dealers you hate so much. Again, there is a massive hole in your reasoning
And...
Or conversely, that the drug dealer you so despised was, like you, ?thrust into a desperate situation at the time? when he felt he ?had no other options?? What separates your mistakes from his? Why should you be so deserving of special treatment? Does your compassion only extend to yourself?
Please respond to everything I say next time. It saves me having to re-post everything and saves everyone else from re-reading it. I have responded to your statements so why do you circumvent mine?
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On 2006-06-25 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Thus far you have again and again attempted to connect completely unrelated facts to prove some bizzare conclusions.
Thus far I have connected statements made by you to prove some apparent points and highlight the glaringly obvious contradictions within your standpoint. The most obvious one - and the one you completely failed to address ? being?: Hitting children does not teach them anything. Contrary to what you persistently claim, slapping children is not going to solve any of societies problems.
You call getting a slap in the mouth abuse. You further claim that because I was slapped in the mouth and spanked on the ass I gravitated towards negative situations and therefore perpetuated a cycle of violence when I worked at a TBS.
Ok now why should I respond to such utter tripe? Even a friggin moron could figure out that the two events are completely unrelated.
Ok first off... Did you even read my post? I never 'claimed' that the two WERE related; I merely suggested it as a possibility. Suggestions are not claims. Why you've attacked the one thing that I clearly and explicitly said was purely a POSSIBILITY, and not something I claimed to be fact, is beyond me. Like I already said? "I?m not saying you?re wrong on this...?
You call getting a slap in the mouth abuse.
Where did I say this? Please point it out to me. The only times I even mentioned the word abuse was in reference to drug users (abusers) and the abuse that occurs within the programs. Don't go jumping to conclusions. I don't consider a slap on the wrist 'abuse'. However, even if I did, you are still missing the point. Which is:
HITTING CHILDREN DOES NOT TEACH THEM ANYTHING!
Nor does it prevent crucifixes being dunked in piss or children being sent to terror camps. What you clearly fail to understand is that many of the children within these programs had just the type of stern-iron-fist-parenting that you advocate. Yet, you claim that this type of upbringing is what?s needed to keep them out of the programs. Do you see how obtuse this appears? I find it amazing that someone with such primitive ideas even knows how to use a computer. Healing societies ills ? or at least curbing teenage problems - does not simply come down to parents slapping their children when they are out of line. This IS your stance on the matter, am I correct?...
....That's the spirit.. Didn't say break him in two, but damn.. society has gotten so consquence free from all the absurd p.c. stupidity no wonder so many kids go wrong.
When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids
And...
If parents actually gave half a shit about their kids and were not such damn doormats then TBS programs would not be such a booming industry.
I'll say it again? Many of the children within these camps were raised using the parenting methods that you think will keep them out.
Second you claim that kids who beat the hell out of each other on the playground is exactly like kids who beat the hell out of each other in a program. First of all you are so wrong its not even funny. Another wild claim strung together to prop up your dead ass stupid arguement. Kids in a public school are not subjected to group consquences hence they do not have the same motivations as kids in a program. Kids in a program perform a group beat down not out of respect for their counselors, but more out of self preservation. They feel out of desperation that if they do not resort to physical violence on a peer then they will suffer for his actions via group consquences. Kids at school are motivated by entirely different reasons
Wrong! First of all, I was saying that a public school where kids are permitted to ?take the law into their own hands? in order to silence ?troublemakers? is essentially no different than what occurs in a program. In other words: a school where children are given sovereignty to beat another child en masse as a ?consequence? for breaking the rules or misbehaving is in no way dissimilar to the way programs operate. Yet this type of public school is, after all, what you seem to be yearning for?
?When I was coming up as a young sprout I remember a friend of mind mouthing off to a teacher. He caught a beating during recess from a couple of other kids.
??OH no.. poor jonny got beat up on the play ground at school for mouthing off to his teachers. Gee... no shit Jonny.. stop mouthing off then
If you support this kind of system within public education, I can hardly see why you would be so against the programs. Promoting and advocating that it?s acceptable for children to beat up kids who ?mouth off? and misbehave will only result in program-esque public schools. I was not, as you stupidly assumed, claiming that kids in public schools are not subject to group consequences. However if you want to argue that?
?You are wrong here also. Kids in public schools are subject to group consequences. It?s far more concentrated and severe in programs but it occurs in public schools nonetheless. It happens quite frequently and is usually the product of a penalty known as ?collective punishment?. Teachers use it regularly. When one child misbehaves the whole class is punished as a collective. Sometimes the ?innocent? children will harass, taunt and abuse the troublesome ?guilty? child in a misguided, or perhaps subconscious, attempt to prevent future penalties.
Anyway, this is all besides the point? Let?s get back to the main discussion which you completely avoided. It goes like this: Spanking/slapping/hitting children DOES NOT prevent them from misbehaving. It DOES NOT teach them anything. IT DOES NOTHING! The funny thing of course, is that I have used an individual (you) who claims that physical punishment prevents problems to prove that it doesn't. Ah, the irony... Anyway here is the stuff you completely ignored...
According to you, hitting children is beneficial and can ?teach? them ?lessons?. For example: Hit children if they cuss so that they shall no longer cuss. Here is what you said...
I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.
First of all in never slapped a kid in my life. If I ever have children and one cusses me I will take a belt to his or her ass right quick and in a hurry, but never have I slapped or spanked kids in a program. .
?Fuckwad, dipshit, limp dicks, Fuck no!, fuck, fucked up, etc etc?
If parents actually gave half a shit about their kids and were not such damn doormats then TBS programs would not be such a booming industry.
Here are the obvious conclusions that most rational, logical, sane people will make using the above comments...
So, beating children teaches them to behave and become better adults? According to the above quote you yourself were beaten as a child for cussing, were you not? Now, correct me if I?m wrong, but you also condone the use of violence in order to teach children ?lessons?. Now you can re-read your posts and tell me if you really learnt your lesson about cussing? I suggest you go at once to your mother and ask for another beating! Your lesson was clearly, plainly and obviously not learnt.
*Good parenting, according to you, is what?s required to end the programs.
*Good parenting, as far as you?re concerned, involves beating children if they misbehave to teach them a lesson.
*You had, by your definition, ?good parents? since they beat you when you cussed.
*Your parents? beatings taught you nothing as you continue to cuss.
*Therefore you?ve totally contradicted your own rule!!
*...Thus proving that beating children to teach them a 'lesson' doesn't do a damn thing!
There was also this little nugget of wisdom that you neglected to rebut...
Firstly, you said this...
My so called "cycle of violence" is more of this Al Gore Douche Bag liberalism in living color.
...and I replied with the blatantly obvious...
You are wrong. The cycle of violence is evident in your very own words. You were beaten as a child for cussing and you choose to beat your own children should they ever cuss. However, being beaten clearly never taught you that cussing is bad as you continue to cuss. Go ahead, beat your children when they cuss and then take a look at yourself to see where it?ll get them. Nobody learns a single thing! The only thing you?re left with IS a cycle of violence. Nothing more, nothing less.
Also, from what I can gather you seem to have complete disdain for drug dealers, correct?
If he was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs
And yet you completely avoided my thoughts on the inherent contradictions within your stance on drug dealers and the program detainees...
?So you do know what happened to him? What did he deserve? You must keep in mind that although you profess to dislike the programs for what they do to detainees, many of the kids within them are drug dealers, drug users and drug abusers. These programs exist for kids purportedly involved with drugs. Yet you claim drug dealers deserve worse than ?being disappeared?. Unless ?disappear? does in fact mean that he got a trip to France your statement implies that they should be in the programs being abused and beaten and perhaps - if you?re really lucky ? ?disappeared?. The implication with this is that the programs must be good; as they deal with the supposed drug dealers you hate so much. Again, there is a massive hole in your reasoning
And...
Or conversely, that the drug dealer you so despised was, like you, ?thrust into a desperate situation at the time? when he felt he ?had no other options?? What separates your mistakes from his? Why should you be so deserving of special treatment? Does your compassion only extend to yourself?
Please respond to everything I say next time. It saves me having to re-post everything and saves everyone else from re-reading it. I have responded to your statements so why do you circumvent mine?
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You saw thru him very quickly, it usually takes some time for most, very intuitive. Three springs (TSW) approached fornits management , not too long ago, because of posts, similar to yours, he asked for more control over other posters because he doesn?t take criticism very well, so we felt it may be good to move him off to his own corner of the world where he has absolute control. This may keep him busy while the rest of us converse openly and uncensored here in America. If you are interested in his forum it is called ?North Korea? , Oh I?m sorry, they don?t allow freedom of speech there, anyway the culture must wear off on you after awhile. He has a thread of his own here somewhere where he can edit your responses so they conform.
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Who, I must say "one for you."
But you still don't know shit about the teen help industry, you just have a bit of insight into a someone else who disrespects kids in these programs.
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Listening to Who and TSW have a debate about ethics is like watching a Down's Syndrome victim and a severe Fetal Alcohol Syndrome victim have a fight.
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On 2006-06-25 20:10:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"Listening to Who and TSW have a debate about ethics is like watching a Down's Syndrome victim and a severe Fetal Alcohol Syndrome victim have a fight."
:wstupid:
Love the name too! :grin:
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As for the who:
Poor fellow still smarting because I pretty much have booted his no account lame ass ways off the Facility forum. Sorry chuckles but I am attempting to build a forum that is a repository of useful facility facts, and admittedly my own vacation plans. Your type of pseudo-intellectual crap belongs in a toilet not on a web forum. You have yet to make a legit valid point without tossing in at least a few of your own anon posts to support your weak arguements via proxy.
Nice try chimp boy but you can try to paint me out to be a nazi, but frankly I just don't give a fuck what you think. Call me a nazi, call me all the names you want.
In the end you will still be the same no account asshole who threw his kid in a treatment program just because he was to big of a pussy to be a real parent and handle his business. To busy at the call center to spend time with your kids? You can paint me anyway you want, but remember something else. I at least had the balls to admit I fucked up. You are still in total denial and probably never will understand the damage you have done to your daughter. Poor girl I hope she has the resources avaliable to seek adequete counseling.
Ouch, Check this out, TSW must have gotten dressed down pretty good. Must have hit close to the mark. Tell us how you really feel!!
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On 2006-06-25 20:10:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"Listening to Who and TSW have a debate about ethics is like watching a Down's Syndrome victim and a severe Fetal Alcohol Syndrome victim have a fight."
Real nice analogy and nice intro. We will sure call on you if we are looking for someone who is compassionate about kids with disabilities, Jeeze, where do these people come from? What an awlful thing to say, talk about being cold towards kids!!
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On 2006-06-26 07:43:00, TheWho wrote:
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On 2006-06-25 20:10:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"Listening to Who and TSW have a debate about ethics is like watching a Down's Syndrome victim and a severe Fetal Alcohol Syndrome victim have a fight."
Real nice analogy and nice intro. We will sure call on you if we are looking for someone who is compassionate about kids with disabilities, Jeeze, where do these people come from? What an awlful thing to say, talk about being cold towards kids!!"
Who, until you quit lying about everything you say, you are the biggest disservice to kids on this site. Your lies and minpulations are the biggest disservice you can offer to kids and their parents.
Quit lying and maybe some people can take you seriously.
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ST has sent a light-weight to join the mission too, CURIOUS AND WILLING TO LISTEN, Leslie. Not, too bright, but she's trying every angle.
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TSW, again you are conflating me with the other poster. Incidentally, I directed him to your posts because of the level of absurdity your contradictory beliefs reach. It is a modern miracle that your head has not exploded. I suspect it is because you have not really examined your beliefs. This is evident in the fact that you rarely defend them but only scream manically about how dumb I am. You should really just stick out your tongue and stick you fingers in your ears while you?re at it. Your inability to defend your ideas in a competent fashion explains why you feel hassles with children should be handled the same way as between drunks in bars.
Their cunning minds would overwhelm you!
(me)You say it is good for guardians of little children to beat them but as the guardian of children you did not beat them. If beating helps why don?t you beat? So you say one thing and do another. Either that or you are lying and did beat kids. Tell me, are you a liar or a hypocrite?
(you) I am saying that how parents choose to raise their children is completely up to them. No I have never beaten or whipped a kid in a program. Have you ever tortured your children? Just looking at your postings leads me to wonder if this is more out of guilt or something due to your level of absurd over compensation. (totally rash bullshit claim, but I figured why not respond in kind to yours)
Your first sentence is wrong. During this entire thread you have been extolling the merits of beating as a way to stop a child?s? nay, all of society?s problems. You must see the inconsistancy of extolling the virtues of child beating by guardians and not doing it yourself when you were a guardian?
(me)You say beatings stop the problems of children which make them need terror camp? Since program gives them what they need ? beatings - it is a contradiction that you are against them. Someone needs to beat those problems away when the parents aren?t doing it. Ask the survivors of these hellholes if the terror and beatings they endured helped make their problems stop
(you)Parents who beat their children are child abusers. Parents who spank their kids are not. A huge difference between the two that most rational intelligent human beings can figure out without attempting to twist and confuse the words of another to suit their own ends.
TSW, in your post you argue that beating kids stops kids problems so you want them beaten by their families. These are the beatings you?d presumably want inflicted upon other children so their problems would disappear...
??Having my old man lay into my ass with a belt??
?I sassed my grandma once and got my mouth half slapped off my head by my grandma. I used a foul word in front of my mum (7yrsold) and got my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it.?
?My parents were democrats who whaled my ass with a belt on a regular basis.?
Websters dictionary definition for beating:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LO ... =clnk&cd=2 (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LO1b1i80NzEJ:www.dictionary.net/beating+beating+define&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2)
1. To strike repeatedly; to lay repeated blows upon2. To punish by blows; to thrash. The act of striking or giving blows; punishment or chastisement by blows.
I think the word ?beating? applies. But this is a semantics issue. The point is all, or almost all, program kids have been beaten likewise at home. Therefore, you are wrong. It is not lack of beatings that caused their problems.
You go on to say that they are there because parents are ?damn doormats?, ?don?t have balls?, are so ?friggin neutered holding (their) children to task has become the anti-christ?, don?t have a ?firm hand? and are filled with ?Al Gore Douche Bag Liberalism mumbo jumbo? Read the survivor testimony. Ask the kids if they felt their sorrows were brought about by parents who were overly compassionate towards their feelings. They were not over-loved nor did they have parents who lacked a ?firm hand?. Therefore, you are wrong. It is not over-compassion or Al gore that is responsible for program kids? sorrows or for their being in programs.
And the paradox remains, if their problems exist because they had too much compassion and not enough beating why end program? There?s tons of beatings and ain?t no compassion. They did not help. Therefore, you are wrong, the beatings and lack of compassion you advocate as panacea for problems do not make the kids better
(me)You say beatings stop the problems of children which make them need terror camp.
(you) This statement alone makes me think that perhaps you are a very troubled individual who ought to seek the help of a good bartender somewhere and drink yourself into total oblivion. Someone making this farcial statement seriously needs to get their brain checked in at the door
Couldn?t agree more, it?s an absolutely indefensible statement - so why did you make it? You say because children are not beaten enough they develop the ?problems? that make it so **we need to send them to terror camp**. You say if we want to stop these problems we need to beat children more.
Didn't say break him in two, but damn society has gotten so consequence (beating) free from all the absurd p.c. stupidity no wonder so many kids go wrong
(long list of helpful beatings that you think ought to administered)
For all this so called progress(no longer enough beating) we still have to send children to terror camps.
Stop the problems of miserable children by beating them! Yep.. People who normally support you are flabbergasted. Totally surreal, I know.
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TSW needs to simply say he was wrong to advocate physically hitting children in any manner, and let this one rest. Hitting children is just wrong, don't care if his parents, grandparents choose to hit him or not.
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Its not even that hes just pro beating children. He says its lack is why they NEED to be in program, have problems, why problems wont stop, grow up to make modern art....the list is never ending oh yeah and some surrealy mutally exclusive thoughts about drug policy
here are my personal favorite surreal moments
1)***my ass whipped so hard it still hurts to think about it***.
**** I love this person running on saying that because I think a belt to the butt or a slap to the mouth is ok then I must have done similiar in programs****
You say it is good for guardians of little children to beat them but as the guardian of children you did not beat them.If beating helps why dont you beat? So you say one thing and do another. Either that or you are lying and did beat kids. Tell me, are you a liar or a hypocrite?
2)***For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps. ***
You say beatings stop the problems of children which make them need terror camp. Since program gives them what they need-beatings- it is a contradiction that you are against them. Someone needs to beat those problems away when the parents aren?t doing it. Ask the survivors of these hellholes if the terror and beatings they endured helped make their problems stop or was what they needed
You say that kids are in program because they were not beaten enough. Do a search and find out about the home life of these children. All if not close to all were beaten if not abused. So why do you insist that beating kids keeps them well and out of program? Where is your evidence?
Ask the survivors if what their life at home sadly lacked was beating.And this lack is what casued their sorrows
3)**For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps. ***
Children need to be in terror camp?. If they need to be there why are you trying to end them? Do you see the contradiction? All if not almost all of the kids never needed to be institutionalized. Ask the lady who runs this forum if she needed to be there?
4)***This new culture has brought us absolutely jack shit in the way of progress unless you call taking pictures of the crucifix in a jar of urine as progress. For all this so called progress we still have to send children to terror camps. ***
You really seem to believe all the worlds ?problems? -for example bad modern art, come from children and immigrants not being beaten enough. Program beats children into submission. Yet you are against program. See the condriction? Why end program when this very day I saw someone make a collage?
5)***. If he(immigrant he made "dissapear) was murdered I would have stated that. Do I feel bad about what happened to him? Fuck no. He deserved much worse for selling drugs***
What? Worse then being ?disappeared??(term generally reffering to murder but can also refer to invisibility sheilds)? You do know that almost all these programs exist for kids supposedly involved with drugs?
Because you say that ?getting disappeared? is good, and program is much worse, than by your own definition program is good for kids..Yet you are against program?You see the contradiction here right?
Certainly if a kid deserves much ,much worse then never being seen again for involvement with drugs he deserves program. So all the kids in program deserved it right? The kids in tranquility bay? The Strsights? Kids? The AARC? The lady who runs this forum? Almost every single program is intended to deal with kids who are supposedly on drugs.
i dont know...thats why i thought he was a troll
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(you) Second you claim that kids who beat the hell out of each other on the playground is exactly like kids who beat the hell out of each other in a program. First of all you are so wrong its not even funny. Another wild claim strung together to prop up your dead ass stupid arguement.
No one claims that. What we claim is the Dream School you imagine is program. TSW, in your post you posit that society and children have gone wrong because children are no longer given *consequences* (beatings) for their actions. Once you claimed, when a kid ?mouthed off? a group of kids beat him. You want society to change into a society where once again children are given *consequences* (beating by their peers) when they mouth off. That?s what you imply when bemoaning societies flaws and listing its better counterpart. That?s a program.
In reality this society never existed (outside of program). My mother does not recall a world where if she spoke without raising her hand she needed to handle an angry mob of violent teenagers. School authorities were responsible for disciplining rule breakers not other kids. For your Dream School to exist - a school where children are expected and allowed to beat rule breakers - you?d need to remove basic laws governing civil society, like laws prohibiting assault and battery & governing basic notions of individual rights for example. Are you sure you want this world? It?s program. If this is not what you are suggesting you want for kids - getting beaten by their peer group whenever they break rules - please clarify.
(you) Kids in a public school are not subjected to group consequences hence they do not have the same motivations as kids in a program. Kids in a program perform a group beat down not out of respect for their counselors, but more out of self preservation. They feel out of desperation that if they do not resort to physical violence on a peer then they will suffer for his actions via group consequences. Kids at school are motivated by entirely different reasons.
The motivation of someone acting out their right to dominate my body is irrelevant - the damage done to me is based on the domination and them having that right, period.
If a girl gets raped the damage done to her is not based on the rapists motivations. If you live in a society where it is OK for her to be raped as consequence for *rule breaking* it will cause her no less pain if the rapist thinks it?s his moral duty than if he feels if he doesn?t do it he?ll get battered by his peer group.
Likewise, if a girl is battered by her peer group for ?rule breaking? perhaps the batterers ?guilt? is mitigated by his motivations, but not her pain.
The pain is there because it?s her body and a bunch of 5-17yr olds batter it. In particular, it?s the fact that (in your insane social vision) she has no claim upon her own body and they have the right to batter it. That?s program
What is damaging about programs is the complete domination other people - kids- have over you. It is a master/slave relationship. It is being at the mercy of your keepers. Its effects are something one spends a lifetime getting over, if ever. Kids post about it all the time - how scared they are now of people, how they expect abuse. It is not a society that should be wished upon anyone, yet you wish it upon children while supposedly being against programs.
Further, A) Kids in public school DO have group consequences. Everyone having to sit in silence for the remainder of period for one kid talking; everyone having to submit urine samples and lose privileges because one kid got caught with drugs; everyone getting detention because of one kids behavior; everyone having to take a test because someone else doesn?t know what he?s talking about are a couple I can recall (This is irrelevant)
B) Kids enforce rules in program for all sorts of reasons (motivations are mostly subconscious and therefore never completely knowable). But I can tell you MY motivations for enforcing rules and they were from fear of INDIVIDUAL consequences - - wanted to ?get back? at a mean girl, wanted to be liked, wanted to bond, wanted to be good, wanted to conform, too tired to fight, confused as to what was real, having no way to escape, wanted to move up in society. The only time I saw others enforce rules were for weirder reasons - like they believed what they were doing was right, or they wanted to dominate someone else. Group consequences were never an issue - the kid wasn?t really doing anything ?wrong?. You don?t really understand what motivates people to do evil acts. http://www.prisonexp.org/pdf/powerevil.pdf (http://www.prisonexp.org/pdf/powerevil.pdf)
You yourself are an example. You did not enforce rules under threat of group consequences. You were always free to leave at any time. These dynamics are constant within any human society and will be acted out to the extant they are allowed and expected to be acted out. (this is irrelevant )
C) A helpful action does not become unhelpful if the people providing it do it under duress. If I get a needed kidney transplant because the Dr. will be subject to a fine if he does not operate I will be no less benefited. Therefore, by your logic group beatdowns in program are good.
These points are irrelevant. This is because contrasting and comparing motivations of kids in regular school vs. program school is moot. For once you set up a regular school where a child will be consistently beaten whenever she breaks a rule there will be no regular school - it will be program.
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Troll would be good. Wish you were correct.
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100! ::boycott::
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(you)In the particular incident of the kid who got a butt whupping at school from his classmates their was no pressure of group consquence. Mainly the kids were pissed off at him because of his mouth running 800 miles an hour already, and the same kid provoked them some more on the playground again. So he caught a butt whupping for his big ass mouth, not out of fear of group consequence, not out of respect for the teacher.
You are backing out of something you said before. This is not the image you presented in your initial posts?
(you) OH no.. poor jonny got beat up on the play ground at school for mouthing off to his teachers. Gee... no shit Jonny.. stop mouthing off then.
At first you present you and your friends as pint size police, beating a kid for minor backtalk to a school authority (which by definition can only be done out of respect for a teacher, you feel she is not being given the respect she?s due) Now you are just presenting yourself as a bunch of bullies. C?mon, one child ?provokes? a group into beating him up? Rarely in the history of school have a group of kids beat up one kid for any other reason but bullying, robbing, or base dominance. Of course I can?t comment on your subjective take on your personal experience
However I can comment on how it is my body and I do not accept that a bunch of 5-17 year olds have the authority to decide when I am ?bad? and beat me for it. It is my body and it should not be violated whenever a bunch of children want to violate me. Why should I as an individual have my body broken whenever a group of children feel it should be? Who the hell are you, and a bunch of 5-17 year olds to make that decision?
In your posts you have described how good it is that an immigrant was murdered (disappeared), that children are beaten for "provoking" their peer group or rule breaking, and that those who fish out trifles from broken vending machines for children deserve a beating .
In your posts YOU have provoked your peer group, described how YOU broke into vending machines, YOU allowed kids to do drugs, and YOU did really evil stuff too - like tormenting children.
By your rationale, I and 12 of my friends have the right now to come and beat you up. We have MORE right than a gang has to beat up some kid who back talks. You have legitimately done harm not just ?provoke? or "rule break". When will you fly yourself back to this country and offer your body for the masses to be beat down? Are you above your own rules? Until you do, you are nothing more than a hypocrite and a coward. Or are ?consequences? only for people beside you, ?immigrants? and children?
It is as if you feel people under 18 are inanimate objects with 0% domain on their own bodies. That their bodies are communally shared property. You do not own me. The town does not own me. My peers do not own me. In reality, humanity does not begin at 18. And perhaps if you understood this it would not have taken so long for you to realize that imprisoning and beating kids without trial, without mercy, and without regard for their humanity is wrong.
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Anon, you are 100% correct. Your postings are intelligent, concise, humorous. You will most probably be attacked with vile language, but your insights and truths are apprectiated.
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I'm not sure who's worse, you or Luke.
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On 2006-06-27 18:25:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"And thank you for the most entertaining thread to date that even surpasses my Karen in Dallas thread on the Brat Camp forum.
Will I apologize for saying what I did? Absolutely not. I will apologize for trolling you all. However, I will not apologize for enjoying it immensely.
My grandparents never touched me once when I was a kid.
The kid who got beat up on the playground was me and that was because I started the fight so I have to say I probably earned it.
The migrant laborer who dissappeared, have to say that is an urban legend I threw in to piss off the Al Gore Douche Bag Liberals.
Do I belive in corporal punishment? Not particularly as I would most likely use my cousin's approach. He maintains ignoring his kids works ten times better, but then again HE has serious balls in the sense that he actually spends time with his kids, and by time I mean alot of time. So ignoring them for a while to show his dissapproval works. Not sure if that is what I would do for every occasion, good parenting demands a high degree of flexibility.
The kid in the amusement park? If he punched me in the back of the head? Well he would be going to jail. That is what the police is for and that is what I mean by consquences for actions.
Drug dealers are all scum. However, common sense dictates that a legalized system of drug use has incredible medical health benifits for stopping the spread of aids, and as well an entirely new taxable revenue by the government. As much as I despise drug dealers I would have no problem with the market being legalized to prevent the more harrowing criminal aspects of it.
So in conclusion I once again thank all of my faithful anons for winning me 20 bucks and keeping me entertained.
Jake pay up you bitch. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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:nworthy: You're GNAA material.
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Well... Its good to know you don't hold such odious beliefs.
But that's a pretty self indulgent and wasteful use of a forum intended to stop the institutional abuse of children... It helps make this whole place irrelevant.
...And what's with your obsession with IP numbers, a man as self confident as yourself shouldnt really be so concerned...
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and who is giving him these IP addresses anyway?
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***No more wasteful than those who stupidly responded again and again to such a blatant troll.****
Its not ""blatant"" Why should I assume someone in an internet forum to be mentally balanced enough to have a consistant philosophy?
Why should I feel you are mentally balanced enough to be telling the truth about postings now? Not becasue of Your infantile use of gibberish such as "al gore liberal douchebag" or your decision to devote an entire thread to how great it is to abuse children in a forum devoted to ending the abuse of children -to make 20 dollars
Id say you are likely to be lying now.
Perhaps this is a method of face saving after reams of statments you are unable to back up?
***Lesson you all should take away is to fight the battles worth fighting and leave the bullshit on the shit heap ***
No, the *lesson* taken away, unfortunetly, is that fornits-psters who claim they witnessed or survived abuse are quite potentially not stable enough to be trusted.
This "battle" is no less worth fighting then any other internet "battle" on fornits since- as you have demonstrated so abley its all just as likely to be fabricated by very old men with very stunted minds.
Dont mean to get in you way 20 bucks or anything.
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A joke is a joke: but this may have gone too far.
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On 2006-06-28 02:21:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Nah the only thing you proved is that there is a sucker born every minute. Twats like you give people like Karen in Dallas and The Who power to influence others. Not only did you respond to totally pointless claptrap you are the one who choose to keep it going for over 100 posts.
Thank you for the 20 bucks, and I don't feel a bit guilty for you being an easy mark. In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the disastrous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war who can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
--Sun Tzu (author of The Art of War
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Your motivation sounds a lot like TheWho and KareninDallas'.
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"easy mark?" as if you are a Barker at a Carnival? Yea, an amusement park. got it.
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Why should I feel you are mentally balanced enough to be telling the truth about postings now? Not becasue of Your infantile use of gibberish such as "al gore liberal douchebag" or your decision to devote an entire thread to how great it is to abuse children in a forum devoted to ending the abuse of children -to make 20 dollars
Good point. Why would you devote an entire thread advocating child abuse on an anti-child abuse forum? And all for a paltry $20???
A lot of children and teenagers come here for comfort and to find some answers and you're ruining it for them. There's already enough crap to wade through without idiots like you clogging up the pipes.
Seems like a pretty pathetic, lowly, juvenile thing to do. Not to mention somewhat hypocritical considering you are supposedly against programs and abuse.
There are two possible conclusions that people will make at the end of this thread. They are:
1) What a fucking moron... $20??? Thats not even funny. This site is a valuable resource for many abused children and he's spoiling it.
2) What a fucking moron... Seems like he's trying to weasel his way out of what he said cuz he's too moronic (duh!) to formulate a response.
Or a combination of the two... I thought "what a fucking moron, he's used the thread to make a measly $20 AND he can't formulate any decent responses to any of the questions asked."
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TSW we are only stupid if it is a sure thing that you, among all internet strangers, are enlightened and intelligent. And that AIN?T so being that...
1) You spent several years abusing children in a facility until it dawned on you, AFTER YOU WERE FIRED, that maybe that's not such a good idea.
2) You express your ideas through means like - al gore liberal douchebag, twat, corn in my bm and other such terminology that befits a confused slow-witted 9 year old and not a 50 year old man.
3)You spent an entire thread talking about how slapping kids keeps them out of program in order to make a lousy $20 - or just as likely - were unable to defend your ideas successfully so had to resort to that pretense to avoid looking foolish.
No offense, but honestly, how could we possibly shame you anymore than you shame yourself?
The suspicion that you are too dull to recognize your own hypocrisy is proven here - when you scold someone about how bad it is to ?assume? people are trolls...
(TSW) Making wild guesses about the nature of a person based on absolutely no concrete evidence hardly constitutes an appropriate expenditure of time and energy. If anything its a type of behavior classified as trolling.
On fornits we frequently tend to make a big deal out of trolls, and go to extreme lengths to cast them in the poor lights that they have earned. Rarely do you see a fornits regular publically censured for his/her lack of common sense and respect.
In the future post on what you know, rather than what you think you know. It saves yourself a great deal of time, and effort.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... t=45&Sort= (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=10757&forum=9&start=45&Sort=)
Funny, yet sort of sad at the same time. Can I pay you $20 to become self aware?
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God, I'm ashamed for TSW, cause he doesn't seem to know how to be ashamed for himself. ::mecry::
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1) You spent several years abusing children in a facility until it dawned on you, AFTER YOU WERE FIRED, that maybe that's not such a good idea.
OK. I take that back... Sorry, that was a bit below the belt.
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Done that, too, and can't go back and edit the Anonymous post. Darn it!
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About time someone expose this man for what he happens to be. Good job bringing him down. We on Struggling Teens thank you all who have worked so hard for us.
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Random Walk, Hstreet, Karen: no one here is working hard for you or anyone at ST. TSW was merely playing a joke--something you should know about; afterall you are ONE BIG JOKE!
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Let's not get rude. It only diminshes your already lacking intellegence. TSW has done an excellent job of exposing himself for what he really happen's to be. We should be working together to run him off of Fornits, and any other public site he happens to post on. Over on Struggling Teens I am pleased to say we have been free of his odious ramblings for quite the while.
Bravo, I say to all of you that have the courage to stand up to a man who is obviously a liar of the worst sort, and has absolutely nothing to offer to children in need of help.
Parents, TSW has misrepresented facilities of all sorts. He only further serves to alarm those in need of help with his distortions of the truth. No one really can take him seriously with his boorish utterances about staff abuses. Only a dim witted fool would be so lacking in mental facilities as to believe even a scrap of what that dolt has to offer.
Let's band together and drive him off the scene for all of our sakes.
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Sure thing, TSW. :roll:
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On 2006-06-28 22:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"1) You spent several years abusing children in a facility until it dawned on you, AFTER YOU WERE FIRED, that maybe that's not such a good idea.
OK. I take that back... Sorry, that was a bit below the belt.
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Why take it back? It's spot on.
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On 2006-06-28 23:45:00, Random Walk wrote:
"About time someone expose this man for what he happens to be. Good job bringing him down. We on Struggling Teens thank you all who have worked so hard for us. "
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Holy mother of nightmares! Hitler has just congratulated me on a job well done!
You people at stuggling teens are insane. Why would you think I work hard for you? Do you practice Jedi Mind conrtol? Jeez, arguing with TSW - its not a big deal, but when I deal with you monsters all my words go.
It's true; the rich can buy the best for their children. The best college, job - and if they are inclined in that direction - the best abuse.
Its hard work torturing your kid into total self hatred and submission. The human spirit - being what it is - drives us to escape you. Running away, staying away. As we become teenagers we begin to understand there is a life beyond suffering and punishment that perhaps, we can reach. So you build us a prison. You incarcerate us until our youth is gone.
Truly it is too sad to think about. But let me say this Karen. The children you murder are dead forever. They will never escape you. Was it really worth it?
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TSW is heroic for coming foward and communicating what he saw - doubly so for putting himself in a position where he is vulnerable for attack.
You Karen, just attack the vulnerable.
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On 2006-06-29 04:52:00, Random Walk wrote:
"Let's not get rude. It only diminshes your already lacking intellegence. TSW has done an excellent job of exposing himself for what he really happen's to be. We should be working together to run him off of Fornits, and any other public site he happens to post on. Over on Struggling Teens I am pleased to say we have been free of his odious ramblings for quite the while.
Bravo, I say to all of you that have the courage to stand up to a man who is obviously a liar of the worst sort, and has absolutely nothing to offer to children in need of help.
Parents, TSW has misrepresented facilities of all sorts. He only further serves to alarm those in need of help with his distortions of the truth. No one really can take him seriously with his boorish utterances about staff abuses. Only a dim witted fool would be so lacking in mental facilities as to believe even a scrap of what that dolt has to offer.
Let's band together and drive him off the scene for all of our sakes. "
:wstupid: ::troll::
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On 2006-06-29 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sure thing, TSW. :roll: "
Yeah, it is probably TSW posing as whoever from struggling teens...
Whatever you gotta do to get by...
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TSW "communicating what he saw?" Think he was telling what he DID, wasn't he?
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(me) TSW we are only stupid if it is a sure thing that you, among all internet strangers, are enlightened and intelligent. And that AIN?T so being that...
1) You express your ideas through means like - al gore liberal douchebag, twat, corn in my bm and other such terminology that befits a confused slow-witted 9 year old and not a 50 year old man.
2)You spent an entire thread talking about how slapping kids keeps them out of program in order to make a lousy $20 - or just as likely - were unable to defend your ideas successfully so had to resort to that pretense to avoid looking foolish.
No offense, but honestly, how could we possibly shame you anymore than you shame yourself?
The suspicion that you are too dull to recognize your own hypocrisy is proven here - when you scold someone about how bad it is to ?assume? people are trolls...
(TSW) Making wild guesses about the nature of a person based on absolutely no concrete evidence hardly constitutes an appropriate expenditure of time and energy. If anything its a type of behavior classified as trolling.
On fornits we frequently tend to make a big deal out of trolls, and go to extreme lengths to cast them in the poor lights that they have earned. Rarely do you see a fornits regular publically censured for his/her lack of common sense and respect.
In the future post on what you know, rather than what you think you know. It saves yourself a great deal of time, and effort.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... t=45&Sort= (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=10757&forum=9&start=45&Sort=)
Funny, yet sort of sad at the same time. Can I pay you $20 to become self aware?
(TSW)you make it to easy.
You make it too easy for THEM.
Don't act untrustworthy.
Don't impersonate others to come off as the lesser of evils.
If you really have my IP # you know I spend half my time defending you. So...
Dont help make this forum MORE irrelevent.
I know the forums' format sucks (so maybe Im hoping for too much) but I actually hope it can do more than be a place to dick around. People that come here for info just see a bunch of fools playing about
Get MYSPACE or go to a different section for that.
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You fucking moron! Don't you see what you're doing? You're ruining what many program grads/detainees/etc value as a place of comfort and support.
Any parent/lawer etc that comes in here seeking information or advice will take one look at posts like yours and immediatley head to Struggling Teens for their help. You fucking dickhead!
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I saw quite a number of teenagers, many of them being rowdy, some of them singing along to the Offspring, some quietly cutting in line, etc, etc.
And then remembered and realized that a great many programmies want to lock them up in hellholes, and a great many other perverts want to do other things to them.
I'd rather have a fifteen-year-old punch me in the back of the head than see him locked up in a program.
I think it's about time we stopped talking 'round here and started emptying places the hard way.
and you watch kids at amusement parks, a pattern is emerging.