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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: starry-eyed pirate on June 06, 2006, 02:25:00 AM
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H-unH !
So I just now got back from 'ol Colorado. And I'd tell ya more about that 'ceptin' I gotta cut to this chase outta not havin' as many memory cells as I used ta...
But anyway, I was thinkin' about $tr8 'n' all cause I'm pretty interested in what went on there and what the relationships are, say like, between straight and my self and $tr8 and my family members and $tr8 and the people I know who were also in there. Yeah, I really wonder about a lot 'a' shit.
Well, like I wrote on that other thread about goin' up to Boulder and lookin' up an ol' survivor/veteran friend that I used to know. And one of the first things we discussed about $tr8 was what we learned about attachment. Like I hadn't even seen this girl or talked to her in jus' 'bout 20 years and I call her up and tell her I'm in town and she comes to get me and invites me into her house. No contact in nearly 20 years. So this is our first conversation in so long and within minutes of arriving at her place and talking about $tr8 we are discussing attachment to ideas. Mental attachments.
(...shit there is so much I wanna write.)
We know where we learned about that. See now, one of the things that $tr8 did was to strip us of all our mental attachments. That is the breakdown. Now while I understand this, I see that it was not $tr8's intention to free me from attachment, but they intended to unjustly sever me from all of my threatening attachments and rape my ego until they could implant their sick prejudice into me. They broke all my attachments loose from me so that they could easily attach me to the program. They wanted me to be their slave. They wanted to control me even if they would have to live unjust lives to do it. An' I aint no angel, praise Jah, but still I'm sayin'. Their Karma is like way, way heavy.
So like on that other thread that has troubled me now for a year...the one where I was tryin' to say about attachment before...
Yeah...as soon as we got into it, me and my ol' friend there, we immediately went to the whole lesson in attachments thing and came to some general understanding of each other as far as that was concerned. I knew it in the way she looked at me what she understood. And she taught me shit just to be with her, in her presence, I mean.
So she was onto the attachment scheme, attachment of subject to object. This is something many people cannot see. I was jus' talkin' with another survivor friend 'a' mine who's jus' an ol' friend by now, and we discussed the same thing. I mean, I am very interested in this whole subject/object scheme dynamic that seems to be happening all around us all the time. But though I come to finally begin to see it, I remain confused as well... I wouldn't even be postin' about this but for some reason I am. Maybe some one will hear what I'm sayin'.
I think I was already hip to it before $tr8, although I couldn't articulate it I knew about it. I think that not bein' attached to the things that they so patheticly and desperately wanted me to be attached to is what drew their heat anyway. Bein' aware of authority as an illusion and then acting on that knowledge always draws heat. So I end up in $tr8 'cause I won't chase the shit that their puttin' in front of me. So in a way non-attachment is what drew the heat to me in the first place. The Anarchist seeks out the institution as the institution waits knowingly in its dark cave.
I could even let go of a lot of things pretty easily when I first went into $tr8. I wouldn't cut my hair though, for a while. But it wasn't difficult for me to accept that I was bein' held against my will. I knew that before I was in $tr8. I was not attached to my so-called freedom. I was attached to my mind. The trouble came when $tr8 tried to take that; tried to take my mind and strip it. That I did not like. At All. That was a rape. $tr8 inc./Kids Helping Kids/Pathways Family Centers is a criminal organization.
See Straight Incorporated, the criminal organization, now known as The Drug Free America Foundation mind-raped and otherwise mentally brutalized tens of thousands of minors in the United Strates. They did this by exploiting the "subject/object scheme" to their purpose, or so they thought, anyway. $tr8(criminals) made us captives and then severed all our mental attachments from us. From what I understand detachment is the spiritual path. Sometimes I feel like I must'a' aged 100 years in $tr8. I think of the story of the Hindu cat who sat on a hill and carved a stick while civillizations, which he paid no attention to rose and fell.
But see to be detached is good. That is freedom. Is it not ?? How can I be manipulated if I have nothing to win or lose ?? How can I come up empty handed and dissapointed if I am not striving for anything ?? ...So my point after all... is that my experience in $tr8 actually contributed to my understanding of what a mental attachment is and how to recognize it as a chain on me. I mean, yeah, they had every intention of enslaving me forever with their own attachments that they wanted to chain me with. Many people do not see this, the whole mental slavery/mental attachment/subject-object dynamic. Many survivors and veterans don't even see this yet. I think maybe only the seriously oppressed, or something, can see the source of their pain clearly. Mostly the only people I know who do get it are survivors and vets. So this is what I was tryin' to say on that other thread so long ago that's bothered me all this time. I have a weapon that I stole outta under the dragons wing. Have no fear. Do not be attached. Fuck $tr8.
::dove:: :skull:
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If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end. People are not commodities. When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.[ This Message was edited by: starry-eyed pirate on 2006-06-05 23:41 ]
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On 2006-06-06 05:50:00, dragonfly wrote:
"Sounds like a bunch a damn Zen Buddhist talk or maybe Tibetan....
Watch out, if it's true you'll get attached to it....
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I know...ever't'in so tricky Dragonfly. Thanx for shinin' your light.
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pirate wrote:
Many survivors and veterans don't even see this yet.
A HUMAN word stands to inhibit human experience of that which the word signifies- Comprehension of the word within the context of its language may sustain the illusion of understanding that which the word signifies, allowing a mistaken satisfaction that that which the word names has been known through the familiar experience of uttering, hearing, and reading the word- However, the most dangerous word: WORD, is a necessary hurdle which is often mistaken for a place to rest- Investigating this can and must yield the first and final word, superior to language, which when heard, strips the name from the named, exposing the adhesive between the two, and this adhesive property is our only home- it is enough, for now, to caeselessly combine words of like languages, but a day comes in an unspecified cycle when our heads ignite and we gladly utter every sound our throats, tongues, lips, and palettes are capable of in psychic concert, spreading a vibrating plateau of terrstrial protosong
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Hey man..."...with words they try to jail ya..." - The Police, from "Spirits in the Material World". Nice post Frank. You know of course that even if you are mocking me I am protected by an impenetratable armour of nothingness!! :lol: Seriously though...I wasn't too sure if you were just makin' a mockery of my $tr8 survivor philosophy or what. Seein' as how you sometimes like to do stuff like that, but your post is actually right on. Nice work.
Hey when's the next party ?? I promise to roll a better joint at the next one. :lol:
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On 2006-06-06 08:18:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"we gladly utter every sound our throats, tongues, lips, and palettes are capable of in psychic concert, spreading a vibrating plateau of terrstrial protosong"
You forgot assholes...... I just farted. :wave:
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Thanks...
:question: :smokin: :grin:
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On 2006-06-06 08:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
On 2006-06-06 08:18:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"we gladly utter every sound our throats, tongues, lips, and palettes are capable of in psychic concert, spreading a vibrating plateau of terrstrial protosong"
You forgot assholes...... I just farted. :silly:
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On 2006-06-06 08:50:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Good question; maybe we could have it at your place next time? ::bandit:: ::dove:: :wave:
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We know where we learned about that. See now, one of the things that $tr8 did was to strip us of all our mental attachments. That is the breakdown. Now while I understand this, I see that it was not $tr8's intention to free me from attachment, but they intended to unjustly sever me from all of my threatening attachments and rape my ego until they could implant their sick prejudice into me. They broke all my attachments loose from me so that they could easily attach me to the program. They wanted me to be their slave. They wanted to control me even if they would have to live unjust lives to do it.
I am adopted but yet I see so clearly now why the bond between mother and child was broken while we were all in Straight. So many people from Straight found it so easy to walk out of thier parents lives after Straight.
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I understand what you are saying Starry Eyed...Not only did they rape our minds, but they also raped my soul. Is there anything to be done to gain that back? I've tried for almost 20 years, to no avail. Care to shed any light?[ This Message was edited by: Misty Blue on 2006-06-06 10:34 ]
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SOUL - Solitary Organ of Unified Language
Keep looking, it'll turn up...or perhaps it'll come back after you stop looking for it.
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I've tried both, no such luck...What happened in Str8 seems to follow me throughout life. Parents are still so Pro-str8 that they still turn their backs and blame me for whatever happens, for some reason, they think that I deserve it.
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This is a typical response to a traumatic event..leading to PTSD. The bottom line seemed to be for me was feeling ~out of control of my life. Straight forced us to believe we had NO, zero control over any part of our lives. See, we are of the few who realize nothing is real or forever in this world. We know for a fact, if the right people want us to ~disappear, we will. So in this abduction of our human bodies, they stole our souls. Or what we were told to percieve as ~our souls. Straight never intended this to happen, I don't believe. This had never been tested, we were/are the ~test subjects.
There was a process for me when I found this Site and others. All I had suffered I had to endure once more.. But this time! I had to be aware (since they ingrained that into us) of what my thoughts were. I was horrified I had survived not only Straight but everything in my life before and after. Then I saw Straight as my punishmnet for being a survivor. A punishment for being a rightous human who had a voice and could use cause and effect to her advantage. This was the power they ~seemingly took from me. But the place in the brain that was Straight programed to become a numb, drug warrior wasn't a real place. Like there was no place for this information to Attach to. So it felt like it just floats around in there w/ no where to go.
Once I realized this imaginary place in my brian straight tried to implant a new me in, did not actually exist.. I began to flush all the straight progarmed information out. Like I decided if it had no place to be inside my psyche, then I didn't need it.
I agree with Pirate about the attachment phenomoneon(sp, and NOT going to look it up to appease the stupid program police.. FU!)
It seems though that they filled us w/ incorrect non calculable(sp again! FU) information. Shit we can not process at all. The stupid way we think, for instance... is ALL in our heads! Pun totally intended! When I finally woke from this dream of how I was created by Straight, I realized that is entirely impossible.. if I truly am a ~Free rightous spirit.. Then This straight imposed reality can not exist, except in my delusions.
One day, It just stopped. Their implanted information crumbled and I could see the pure nothingness it was made of. I decide I have choices and GAWD FUKING DAMIT! I am going to make my own destiny, I refuse to be part of someone elses. I will no longer be a victim to anyone, or even my own brain.. I will take back my brain, if it's the last thing I do. In doing this, comes the attachment theroy... I had to de-tatch. That is why I am free today! It's not real, the whole straight thing is NOT real.. I am real. I am in control of my immediate self.(period the end) I am the Valkerie riding high on the wind, if you wanna join me.. better get yourself a horse! Your welcome to ride with me in my army of Self.
Wooot! I rambled about nothing! I win=D Grr, wtb my server up ! WoW rogues, yum.
Oh and if you want this edited for grammer and spelling.. Fuk off or Bug Mgt! I don't know my passwords and like it that way!! LOL :razz:
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This is a typical response to a traumatic event..leading to PTSD. The bottom line seemed to be for me was feeling ~out of control of my life. Straight forced us to believe we had NO, zero control over any part of our lives. See, we are of the few who realize nothing is real or forever in this world. We know for a fact, if the right people want us to ~disappear, we will. So in this abduction of our human bodies, they stole our souls. Or what we were told to percieve as ~our souls. Straight never intended this to happen, I don't believe. This had never been tested, we were/are the ~test subjects.
It wasn't the friggin' holocaust, it was a drug rehab.........
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I am the Valkerie riding high on the wind, if you wanna join me.. better get yourself a horse! Your welcome to ride with me in my army of Self
If I knew who you were, I might be inclined to join ya...send a pm if you want
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Huh? People have PTSD from being in a supermarket robbery or traffic accident.... And yes, we were abducted. Straight told us we had no control over ourselves.. and we didnt deserve anything.. So what's your point?
I don't think anyone mentioned holocaust but you 0.o
As if that is so much grander than other tragic events in history.. Puhleze.
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On 2006-06-06 13:46:00, Misty Blue wrote:
"I am the Valkerie riding high on the wind, if you wanna join me.. better get yourself a horse! Your welcome to ride with me in my army of Self
If I knew who you were, I might be inclined to join ya...send a pm if you want"
I don't do PMs anymore. I refuse to retrive my PWs.. LOL. It is part of my being free. But most everyone knows Who I am
But, I get what you are saying.. because if you look up the Withdraw posts you will see... I too believed I had lost my soul to Straight. I get what you mean, but it's not true. It was a lie they used to hold our wills. I own my soul, no one but me.
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On 2006-06-06 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Huh? People have PTSD from being in a supermarket robbery or traffic accident.... And yes, we were abducted. Straight told us we had no control over ourselves.. and we didnt deserve anything.. So what's your point?
I don't think anyone mentioned holocaust but you 0.o
As if that is so much grander than other tragic events in history.. Puhleze."
Yeah, I mentioned it to MAKE a point. You inanely blather on with your crackpot theories; wth do expect? :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Gee, let's see my crockpot theroies.. That would be Screw what everyone else thinks and be yourself. Dam, that is some crazy stuff there.
Get back in your hole, troll!
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Anonymous, doesn't help...
But most everyone knows Who I am ???
I'm new around here...So consider me dumb, ignorant, whatever...I'll read the Withdraw post and maybe come back tomorrow
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On 2006-06-06 14:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
Gee, let's see my crockpot theroies.. That would be Screw what everyone else thinks and be yourself. Dam, that is some crazy stuff there.
Get back in your hole, troll!
Crackpot. It seems you have a big problem w/ ppl diagreeing with you as it were, crackpot.
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On 2006-06-06 13:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is a typical response to a traumatic event..leading to PTSD. The bottom line seemed to be for me was feeling ~out of control of my life. Straight forced us to believe we had NO, zero control over any part of our lives. See, we are of the few who realize nothing is real or forever in this world. We know for a fact, if the right people want us to ~disappear, we will. So in this abduction of our human bodies, they stole our souls. Or what we were told to percieve as ~our souls. Straight never intended this to happen, I don't believe. This had never been tested, we were/are the ~test subjects.
There was a process for me when I found this Site and others. All I had suffered I had to endure once more.. But this time! I had to be aware (since they ingrained that into us) of what my thoughts were. I was horrified I had survived not only Straight but everything in my life before and after. Then I saw Straight as my punishmnet for being a survivor. A punishment for being a rightous human who had a voice and could use cause and effect to her advantage. This was the power they ~seemingly took from me. But the place in the brain that was Straight programed to become a numb, drug warrior wasn't a real place. Like there was no place for this information to Attach to. So it felt like it just floats around in there w/ no where to go.
Once I realized this imaginary place in my brian straight tried to implant a new me in, did not actually exist.. I began to flush all the straight progarmed information out. Like I decided if it had no place to be inside my psyche, then I didn't need it.
I agree with Pirate about the attachment phenomoneon(sp, and NOT going to look it up to appease the stupid program police.. FU!)
It seems though that they filled us w/ incorrect non calculable(sp again! FU) information. Shit we can not process at all. The stupid way we think, for instance... is ALL in our heads! Pun totally intended! When I finally woke from this dream of how I was created by Straight, I realized that is entirely impossible.. if I truly am a ~Free rightous spirit.. Then This straight imposed reality can not exist, except in my delusions.
One day, It just stopped. Their implanted information crumbled and I could see the pure nothingness it was made of. I decide I have choices and GAWD FUKING DAMIT! I am going to make my own destiny, I refuse to be part of someone elses. I will no longer be a victim to anyone, or even my own brain.. I will take back my brain, if it's the last thing I do. In doing this, comes the attachment theroy... I had to de-tatch. That is why I am free today! It's not real, the whole straight thing is NOT real.. I am real. I am in control of my immediate self.(period the end) I am the Valkerie riding high on the wind, if you wanna join me.. better get yourself a horse! Your welcome to ride with me in my army of Self.
Wooot! I rambled about nothing! I win=D Grr, wtb my server up ! WoW rogues, yum.
Oh and if you want this edited for grammer and spelling.. Fuk off or Bug Mgt! I don't know my passwords and like it that way!! LOL :razz: "
Good for you Withdraw that you have survived so much and feel " free" from any of the emotional constraints that straight has placed on so many.
I read in your earlier post on "tell me something good" that you are happy and remarried after many years of abuse at the hands of your ex. I am sincere when I say that I am happy for the peace you have found in your life.
I do wonder though why you would still feel the need to post here. Also why you identify yourself but then go on to say that you no longer remember you passwords and therefore no longer check your pm's, and how that makes you "free"
It would seem that " scottie" wasn't all that successful in beaming you up after all.
I actually agree with much of what you have written, I just wonder why you keep stressing how free you are, when once again, you find yourself posting here, even as an anon.
Only my observation, nothing more.
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Thought I'd look to see who would troll me.
I miss people who actually ~know sometimes, not because I am hurting, but because I have at that moment a desire to connect in a fairly detached sorta way. Usually around every 1.5 to 2 months it is seeming. The ~not using my user name and making a point to not retrive my PWs is one small way I can manifest for myself.. The no longer identifying myself as powerless. Maybe someday I will make a new name that doesn't remind me of hurting so much. But until then, this is what you get. It's all part of my process.
Sometimes, the best remedy is to ... do nothing at all. When you feed something energy it tends to grow.. and sometimes much larger than we had planned. So, I stopped feeding the Straight thinking. I find the less I feed it.. the less it haunts me. The free`er I am. It's the detatchment thing. Comming to this forum daily, while part of my processing, fed the beast in copious amounts...potentially causing more damage than the first go`round w/ Straight. So my original point was..(but I was pretty smoked) Nothing, it is all nothing. An imaginary fence to keep us from ourselves. We feed that fence energy...or choose not to. I am choosing not to.
And sometimes I just plain miss you all and the debating. Sometimes I come just to read Pirate, because I think alot like that and enjoy reading his writing and contemplate his ideas. Sometimes I come to feel close to people I care for. Sometimes I come to see if there is anything interesting or productive going on, because I am still a part of this too, ya know. Sometimes I come because my game server is down... LOL. Mostly I come to see Pirate :razz:
I never come here to cause anyone dis-tress...
So, what's the deal w/ all the spam? That's just icky ><
~Peace2u!
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