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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 03, 2006, 02:10:00 PM
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Testimonials of rape and abuse, explanation of the massive price, massive hatred from ex-victims and an entirely different sort of hatred from the programmies..
I can't imagine this creating anything other than a "grab your kids and RUN" instinctive response.
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Depends on what you consider "abuse" I suppose..
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I believe some of the parents will realize what irresponasable parents did to their children,and see it didn't help.
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Yes, they will realize what they did one day. Probably not until after they have died, or on their death bed and about to meet God. When they have to 'live' the lives around them in their everyday life review and see what a negative experience their life brought to those around them, they will finally realize their mistake. Ask yourself this, does my existence make this world a better place? Did I leave this place better than I found it? A lot of dysfunctional program parents are in for a rude awakening, for the journey has only just begun. You cannot hope to forget about your wrongs because you never truly die!
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unfortunately the rampant asshattery, foul language, screaming stupidity and blatant dishonesty of some posters rather undermine the credibility of the site and substantially limit It's effectiveness.
Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
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I've read many good quotes on this forum, this is one that comes to mind is quit cussin the farmer w/ your mouth full.
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On 2006-06-04 11:22:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
unfortunately the rampant asshattery, foul language, screaming stupidity and blatant dishonesty of some posters rather undermine the credibility of the site and substantially limit It's effectiveness.
Shut up and quit whining about it, jackass. :wave:
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On 2006-06-04 11:22:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"unfortunately the rampant asshattery, foul language, screaming stupidity and blatant dishonesty of some posters rather undermine the credibility of the site and substantially limit It's effectiveness.
Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Actually, I think Fornits does just fine, with or without the flame wars and seriously demented trolls who drop in from time to time.
Maybe if you stop thinking of Fornits as the great white hope that's gonna kill the big, bad evil troubled teen industry, you will get it?
How many times does Ginger have to say it? As long as there are PARENTS there will always be a troubled teen industry.
Why?
Because this is a societal issue - and deeply rooted in America's long obession with children as imperfect little adults.
It's called Blame the kid so the Parent gets a free pass on their lousy parenting skills, and program owners and their sleezy network of referral agents get to laugh all the way to the bank.
Now until you can think of a better way to give lousy white, mostly middle-to-upper-class parents a free pass on failing Parenting 101, you best get used to the troubled teen industry being around for a very very long time. So far, we're going on more than 40 years.
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Actually, I think Fornits does just fine, with or without the flame wars and seriously demented trolls who drop in from time to time.
Maybe if you stop thinking of Fornits as the great white hope that's gonna kill the big, bad evil troubled teen industry, you will get it?
How many times does Ginger have to say it? As long as there are PARENTS there will always be a troubled teen industry.
I think more accurately would be as long as there are TEENS there will be a trouble teen industry, but I guess without parents there would not be teens, so we can argue that they both apply.
Why? Because this is a societal issue - and deeply rooted in America's long obession with children as imperfect little adults.
It's called Blame the kid so the Parent gets a free pass on their lousy parenting skills, and program owners and their sleezy network of referral agents get to laugh all the way to the bank.
I believe most parents feel it is a family issue not just the problem of one of their children?s and , although, parents always feel responsible for how their kids turn out they realize that the problem is not due to their parenting style. Most kids that go to TBS?s come from families with multiple kids and the other kids in the family are flourishing and doing fine. The parents with only one child probably feel guilty and think it is their own fault, which is too bad
I don?t think there have been any studies (I am not aware of any) to determine cause and effect on this subject, but based on the fact that it cannot be isolated to a single type of family, economic level or parenting style the probability that the parents are the cause, for the most part, is remote.
Now until you can think of a better way to give lousy white, mostly middle-to-upper-class parents a free pass on failing Parenting 101, you best get used to the troubled teen industry being around for a very very long time. So far, we're going on more than 40 years.
The industry has come a long way. If you listen to and read about the stories of the kids who went to straight in the 70?s and compare them to the TBS?s that are available to kids now we can see that the industry has come a long way (i.e. fences are coming down, families are more involved, the education element is improving and more kids are being helped thru qualified therapists). It continues to grow and change to better serve the kids and with sites like fornits the schools short comings will continue to be exposed which will result in the schools to continue to evolve and improve. The schools that fail to step up to the challenges and pressure will ultimately shut down.
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The who your post contains so many absurdities I don't even know where to begin. It's obvious you have never had to live through one of these facilities, it must be nice to be as ignorant as you.
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Actually, there is considerable proof to show that most kids end up in these places not because they are deficient kids, but because their parents are obsessed with controlling their child's attitude and behavior.
There are a lot of sick, obsessive parents out there ... and believe me ... the troubled teen industry thrives on them.
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Fuck off and die. As if there could be any question that sending your kid(s) off to some pseudo-therapeutic greed-based mind control cult is any kind of solution to anything!!! You all should have been abortions yourselves and have no business being responisible for the life of another human being....
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Actually, there is considerable proof to show that most kids end up in these places not because they are deficient kids, but because their parents are obsessed with controlling their child's attitude and behavior.
I would be interested in reading some of these studies/reports as I have been lead to believe just the opposite based on my experiences.
There are a lot of sick, obsessive parents out there ... and believe me ... the troubled teen industry thrives on them.
Yes, you are right, there are all kinds, from all walks of life and people are always ready to take advantage of them and their money.
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On 2006-06-04 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fuck off and die. As if there could be any question that sending your kid(s) off to some pseudo-therapeutic greed-based mind control cult is any kind of solution to anything!!! You all should have been abortions yourselves and have no business being responisible for the life of another human being...."
I am not sure what schools you are referring to specifically but I would never send any of my kids to a place as you describe, cultism, mind control stuff, most of that went out in the 70?s and if those schools do exist they need to change or get out of the business. The more forward thinking schools are focused on teaching the kids to be more independent and responsible for their own lives (not conforming to a standard norm), sounds like you had a bad experience.
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Which schools in particular would you say are some of the more forward thinking schools?
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Well, with all the swearing, berating, and whatnot, I can understand why people may not find Fornits credible.
A majority of the threads just dissolve into people hurling insults, so when parents see that, they just take the whole forum as something that is unjustly negative towards the TT industry.
Although if they look past that, I'll bet a majority of the parents re-think their thought of sending their kid to the program.
However, first impressions are everything.
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On 2006-06-04 18:49:00, TheWho wrote:
On 2006-06-04 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
Fuck off and die. As if there could be any question that sending your kid(s) off to some pseudo-therapeutic greed-based mind control cult is any kind of solution to anything!!! You all should have been abortions yourselves and have no business being responisible for the life of another human being...."
I am not sure what schools you are referring to specifically but I would never send any of my kids to a place as you describe, cultism, mind control stuff, most of that went out in the 70?s and if those schools do exist they need to change or get out of the business. The more forward thinking schools are focused on teaching the kids to be more independent and responsible for their own lives (not conforming to a standard norm), sounds like you had a bad experience."
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On 2006-06-05 14:36:00, LauraLee wrote:
"Well, with all the swearing, berating, and whatnot, I can understand why people may not find Fornits credible.
A majority of the threads just dissolve into people hurling insults, so when parents see that, they just take the whole forum as something that is unjustly negative towards the TT industry.
Although if they look past that, I'll bet a majority of the parents re-think their thought of sending their kid to the program.
However, first impressions are everything."
There is no such thing as 'fornits credibility'. This is an internet message board, where individuals post. It is up to each reader to decide what posts to assign credibility to and which one not. To stereotype every poster here as having the same agneda, which seems to be done on a daily basis, is a fallacy. Fornits is just a communication tool, the content is provided by countless individuals across the world.
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On 2006-06-05 14:49:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 18:49:00, TheWho wrote:
On 2006-06-04 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
Fuck off and die. As if there could be any question that sending your kid(s) off to some pseudo-therapeutic greed-based mind control cult is any kind of solution to anything!!! You all should have been abortions yourselves and have no business being responisible for the life of another human being...."
I am not sure what schools you are referring to specifically but I would never send any of my kids to a place as you describe, cultism, mind control stuff, most of that went out in the 70?s and if those schools do exist they need to change or get out of the business. The more forward thinking schools are focused on teaching the kids to be more independent and responsible for their own lives (not conforming to a standard norm), sounds like you had a bad experience."
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Well from what I have been reading here a parent would not want to sent their kids to the so called boot camps or places like straight. TBS's have emerged as more focused on a childs' individual needs, places like ASR or Carlbrook seem to have high success rates and are evolving and improving.
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Same shit, varying levels of abuse.
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Well from what I have been reading here a parent would not want to sent their kids to the so called boot camps or places like straight. TBS's have emerged as more focused on a childs' individual needs, places like ASR or Carlbrook seem to have high success rates and are evolving and improving.
The only difference in any of these programs is in the window dressing. Boot camps, wilderness programs, TBS, call it anything you want. They all use the same technique. They break the will of the teenager to resist using harsh, cruel methods and once broken, force the teenager to adopt their narrow set of ill-conceieve values. Then they force the teenager to impose the same degrading techniques on new arrivals. They hold the teenager hostage long enough for it to stick (they hope) and in some cases attempt to force continued involvement in their cult-like efforts after the teenager is released.
Those teenagers who buy into the cult-think are paraded around as proof the program works. Those teenagers who emerge damaged and emotionally distraught are slandered with the labels of liar and manipulator. Those teenagers who are killed are considered to be "...an acceptable window of loss..."
Freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of choice, indeed free will itself is their biggest enemy. They crush these things at every opportunity.
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Well from what I have been reading here a parent would not want to sent their kids to the so called boot camps or places like straight. TBS's have emerged as more focused on a childs' individual needs, places like ASR or Carlbrook seem to have high success rates and are evolving and improving.
Both of these facilities were started, developed and run by staff members from CEDU. CEDU was closed in large part due to lawsuits for rampant child abuse. One of the Carlbrook directors was Headmaster at ASR. I personally know the founder of ASR and he is and was an absolutely abusive animal in his destructive dealings with kids.
As Atomic Ant said in the previous post, the difference is "window dressing." It's the same names, same game and nothing has changed.
There is not a single, solitary shred of evidence that shows any of these programs, and these two in particular, to be clinically effective in any way.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-07 08:04 ]
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On 2006-06-06 09:53:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Well from what I have been reading here a parent would not want to sent their kids to the so called boot camps or places like straight. TBS's have emerged as more focused on a childs' individual needs, places like ASR or Carlbrook seem to have high success rates and are evolving and improving.
Both of these facilities were started, developed and run by staff members from CEDU. CEDU was closed for rampant child abuse. One of the Carlbrook directors was Headmaster at ASR. I personally know the founder of ASR and he is and was an absolutely abusive animal in his destructive dealings with kids.
As Atomic Ant said in the previous post, the difference is "window dressing." It's the same names, same game and nothing has changed.
There is not a single, solitary shred of evidence that shows any of these programs, and these two in particular, to be clinically effective in any way.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-06 09:54 ]"
Ah, the ?founding fathers? argument, we could fill a forum. It is never very pretty compared to where we are today, Ben Franklin, Washington, Hell, Bill Gates never finished college or took even one business course, and is not qualified to practice as a professional engineer in the state of Washington, yet he gets a vote of confidence every year, go figure, his company is 1,000 times better than it was in the 80?s. How do we apply the standards of time here? Do we continue to purchase Microsoft windows because of its first edition or because of how it performs today? These TBS?s are turning out great kids every year that are on track. The ones that want to go on to college do so. We do lack enough clinical studies, I agree, but until such time we need to rely and judge the performance of the schools based on their output and alumni.
DJ, spend a day reading on the ?Straight forum? and then compare that to some of the more progressive TBS?s today, fences are coming down, no restraints, kids are allowed to grow at their own pace, family involvement, field trips, post stay plans and follow-up. Progress can be measured in ?orders of magnitude?. But as you said ?Are they clinically effective??, We will have to wait for the studies to be completed to get that answer. In the mean time it is important to keep talking to the kids who have attended as a way to keep our finger on the pulse. Fornits is a source for some of this feed back.
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"CEDU was closed for rampant child abuse."
Actually, the closure was due to financial mismanagement and greed. CEDU was bought by an investor group using a lot of borrowed money. They then "bled" the company to meet debt payments and pay themselves a "management fee". And, they also bought another group of marginal programs with a bunch of legal issues that strained already limited financial resources further. So, child abuse did not bring the closure.
One hopes the facts will matter a bit.
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Let me clarify. CEDU was not closed by any sort of "raid" or anything like that. It collapsed financially and was closed in large part due to extensive litigation against it for abuse. It settled many cases for many millions of dollars and it collapsed because of it.
To the Who:
Are you comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates?
You live in a really strange, out of touch reality, buddy. I'll say it again - you should strictly avoid analogies because you mangle evry one you throw out there. Find some other way to express yourself because this craziness just makes you look like some kind of whacko.
FWIW, we still live by the framework of the constitution over two hundred years later (even though GWB is doing a Texas two-step on it). The "rule book" is still the same, just like it is at Carlbrook and ASR. They still operate on the same founding principles - isolate, coerce and modify.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-06 14:18 ]
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On 2006-06-06 14:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Let me clarify. CEDU was not closed by any sort of "raid" or anything like that. It collapsed financially and was closed in large part due to extensive litigation against it for abuse. It settled many cases for many millions of dollars and it collapsed because of it.
To the Who:
Are you comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates?
You live in a really strange, out of touch reality, buddy. I'll say it again - you should strictly avoid analogies because you mangle evry one you throw out there. Find some other way to express yourself because this craziness just makes you look like some kind of whacko.
FWIW, we still live by the framework of the constitution over two hundred years later (even though GWB is doing a Texas two-step on it). The "rule book" is still the same, just like it is at Carlbrook and ASR. They still operate on the same founding principles - isolate, coerce and modify.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-06 14:18 ]"
You got caught using bad facts again, you cant take it out on the anon, so use me !! Thats okay. The point is we have evolved as a nation, so has microsoft , ASR and Carlbrook etc. and will continue to do so.
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Who, your relentless, monomaniacal trolling and complete lack of knowledge of what you're talking about disgusts and appalls me. Please stop posting here.
- A Parent
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the who said
DJ, spend a day reading on the ?Straight forum? and then compare that to some of the more progressive TBS?s today, fences are coming down, no restraints, kids are allowed to grow at their own pace, family involvement, field trips, post stay plans and follow-up.
You are freaking clueless man.
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The who needs to read the Whitmore threads.
DUH. Maybe him realizing the owner is facing a criminal child abuse trial in September MIGHT open his closed eyes.
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Are you comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates?
Who, your relentless, monomaniacal trolling and complete lack of knowledge of what you're talking about disgusts and appalls me. Please stop posting here.
- A Parent
You are freaking clueless man.
Okay, DJ, you logged in 1 out of 3 times, which is getting better. To answer your question , yes I am comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates. But most people don?t have a tough time understanding analogies.
For you I will explain:
I am not saying they have the same moral values, the same ethnic back ground, hair color or religions. But they were founders, when using an analogy you must assume that the recipient will know enough to search and understand the connection you are trying to make and you seem to struggle in this area. So, yes, they are totally different people but the analogy bridges them together for maybe one thing they have in common. You miss it every time and each time you seem so miffed.
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On 2006-06-06 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The who needs to read the Whitmore threads.
DUH. Maybe him realizing the owner is facing a criminal child abuse trial in September MIGHT open his closed eyes."
Thanks Anon -
I havent heard much about Whitmore, thanks for the heads up. Do you recommend any specific thread which will give me a cross section on what the school is like?
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On 2006-06-06 16:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who, your relentless, monomaniacal trolling and complete lack of knowledge of what you're talking about disgusts and appalls me. Please stop posting here.
- A Parent"
A Parent- Doubtful.
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Unlike your various anonymous postings, TheWho, I am not a registered user trying to make an anonymous shadow following.
- A Parent (not DJ)
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On 2006-06-06 19:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Unlike your various anonymous postings, TheWho, I am not a registered user trying to make an anonymous shadow following.
- A Parent (not DJ)"
Sorry DJ, I do recognize your style. Not a big deal to me, though, lets move on.
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You have finally lost it Thewho. :lol:
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On 2006-06-06 20:34:00, TheWho wrote:
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On 2006-06-06 19:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Unlike your various anonymous postings, TheWho, I am not a registered user trying to make an anonymous shadow following.
- A Parent (not DJ)"
Sorry DJ, I do recognize your style. Not a big deal to me, though, lets move on.
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:lol: This was not me. Who, you're ridiculous. "Caught using bad facts"? Well, that's you again. Feel free to have the site admin or a moderator confirm what I said. I have a login and I use it. How many times do I have to reiterate this fact? Check into it, and pleae, by all means let everyone know what you've found.
Apparently everyone who disagrees with you must be me. Have you ever stopped to think that you are actually just quite simply an embarrassment to other parents/program supporters?
BTW, this was posted during my lengthy commute home from work, not only did I not do it, I couldn't have done it.
Make sure you get back to everyone with a confirmation from the admin. I know you won't follow up because you'll have to eat your moronic words yet again... :lol:
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On 2006-06-07 04:19:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Apparently everyone who disagrees with you must be me."
This is hardly different than you calling me Karen every time I disagree with you, DJ.
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Lon, I mean TSW,
If I get all dramatic and promise to never post again, may I have my own forum, too?
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TSW,
It may have been fair to the OP on your thread to tell her that I am not Karen- that sometimes there are differing viewpoints that come from more than one person.
I do appreciate you clearing that up and will continue to use my login when I come around.
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On 2006-06-07 04:36:00, wild fig wrote:
"On 2006-06-07 04:19:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Apparently everyone who disagrees with you must be me."
This is hardly different than you calling me Karen every time I disagree with you, DJ."
don't worry. your story is going to come out. you asked for the mods to check your ip addy right? how about we link all your posts to your username? let's set the record straight.
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On 2006-06-07 04:36:00, wild fig wrote:
"On 2006-06-07 04:19:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Apparently everyone who disagrees with you must be me."
This is hardly different than you calling me Karen every time I disagree with you, DJ."
If calling you "Karen" gets you to log in and be accountable for your statements, that's fine with me.
If you're not her, that's fine, too. Use your login and you'll avoid any confusion.
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Okay, DJ, you logged in 1 out of 3 times, which is getting better.
Let me know when you verify this with the site admin. Be sure to post your findings!
Once again, not me. Unlike yourself, I do have the nuts to say what I mean and sign it.
You're a joke, Who. Just keep on making it up as you go along. Remember, if you really believe it it's not a lie...
To answer your question , yes I am comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates.
You're a sick puppy. This says a lot about your sycophantic tilt. You idolize child abusers. ::bangin::
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On 2006-06-07 08:01:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Okay, DJ, you logged in 1 out of 3 times, which is getting better.
Let me know when you verify this with the site admin. Be sure to post your findings!
Once again, not me. Unlike yourself, I do have the nuts to say what I mean and sign it.
You're a joke, Who. Just keep on making it up as you go along. Remember, if you really believe it it's not a lie...
To answer your question , yes I am comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates.
You're a sick puppy. This says a lot about your sycophantic tilt. You idolize child abusers. ::bangin::
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Ha,Ha, you are too funny, I even underlined it for you and you still missed it (you seem to just hear only what you want to). Here I will cut and past it for you or you can go back and reread the thread:
For you I will explain:
I am not saying they have the same moral values, the same ethnic back ground, hair color or religions. But they were founders, when using an analogy you must assume that the recipient will know enough to search and understand the connection you are trying to make and you seem to struggle in this area. So, yes, they are totally different people but the analogy bridges them together for maybe one thing they have in common. You miss it every time and each time you seem so miffed.
If this still gets by you we will just move on and I will try to reiterate future analogies in simpler terms for ya to save time and database space.
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Oh, don't flatter yourself with creating analogies too complicated for the layman. Your analogy sucks. I understand it fully, it's just stupid.
You defeat your own logic. Let me illustrate:
Franklin and Gates were both "founders." Both of them had/have an ideology around which they framed their ideas. Today, even though there are different faces, the framework remains the same, just as ASR and Carlbrook were founded on the framework and ideas of child abusers and the new faces use the same framework today. What's so hard to understand about that?
I think you get upset because of the fact that people "don't understand" you because you are nonsensical. It's not their fault, it's yours.
Get a grip.
I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.
Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..." :lol:
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-07 08:39 ]
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Somewhere in all of that I think you said you reread the post, thank you. A stupid analogy? Maybe, but the whole point is to get people to think about a subject from a different angle which is difficult for some people if they have held the same view point for a long time, analogies is a way to refresh ones point of view (not change it).
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I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.
Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..."
Strictly avoiding checking facts? Can't "admit a mistake"? LOL, your double-standards are hilarious...
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Why don't you niggers take this outside? We don't want any trouble here..
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:lol: Now THAT would turn into a bloody mess.
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::bwahaha:: ::bangin:: ::rocker:: :skull: :rofl: :rofl: :wave:
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...We do lack enough clinical studies, I agree, but until such time we need to rely and judge the performance of the schools based on their output and alumni.
DJ, spend a day reading on the ?Straight forum? and then compare that to some of the more progressive TBS?s today, fences are coming down, no restraints, kids are allowed to grow at their own pace, family involvement, field trips, post stay plans and follow-up. Progress can be measured in ?orders of magnitude?. But as you said ?Are they clinically effective??, We will have to wait for the studies to be completed to get that answer. In the mean time it is important to keep talking to the kids who have attended as a way to keep our finger on the pulse. Fornits is a source for some of this feed back.
I don't think you can judge a program based on its output. I have said this over and over. The efficacy thing sucks. Outward behavior does not indicate inward mental health.
I judge the programs solely by the methods used. If the methods are unethical, they should be stopped. It's that simple.
As far these 'progressive TBSs' are concerned, I would say they have only honed their methods to mask the inherent inhumane treatment they are doling out. If they exist at all that is.
Tough love is just a flawed concept from the start. These kids need the love part, but these programs emphasize the tough part. They got it backwards. A child that feels loved and valued by his/her parents and community won't become a 'troubled teen' in the first place. A 'troubled teen' doesn't deserve to be broken, nor is it necessary.
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Your MUTHAH can't judge a program based on its output, muthafukka.
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On 2006-06-07 08:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.
Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..."
Strictly avoiding checking facts? Can't "admit a mistake"? LOL, your double-standards are hilarious...
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I guess we're not going to see any retractions. The Who must believe that it's fine to impose a double-standard on others, which is typical of a program parent. These type of people NEVER admit to doing or being wrong, it's always someone else's fault or the other party DESERVED IT. Sheesh. Just goes to show that for people like that the end justifies the means.
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On 2006-06-08 06:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 08:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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I see you avoided checking up on the anon posts. That figures.
Like I said, just keep making it up as you go along and "don't stop believing..."
Strictly avoiding checking facts? Can't "admit a mistake"? LOL, your double-standards are hilarious...
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I guess we're not going to see any retractions. The Who must believe that it's fine to impose a double-standard on others, which is typical of a program parent. These type of people NEVER admit to doing or being wrong, it's always someone else's fault or the other party DESERVED IT. Sheesh. Just goes to show that for people like that the end justifies the means."
When your right, your right. So now lets log-in DJ, this is silly.
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Damn: quit taking up space:
This is like a 4 year old saying,
Did so...did not..did so..did not..did so.
If you don't have anything to say WHO, then STF up for ONCE!
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On 2006-06-08 06:53:00, TheWho wrote:
When your right, your right. So now lets log-in DJ, this is silly."
Yeah why don't you two go get a room so you can "log in" to each other? :rofl:
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On 2006-06-08 07:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Damn: quit taking up space:
This is like a 4 year old saying,
Did so...did not..did so..did not..did so.
If you don't have anything to say WHO, then STF up for ONCE!"
I agree and thats my point, its off topic, silly and immature. Lets get back to the subject which was "Would parents send a kid to a program after reading fornits?"
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On 2006-06-08 07:35:00, TheWho wrote:
I agree and thats my point, its off topic, silly and immature. Lets get back to the subject which was "Would parents send a kid to a program after reading fornits?""
Hey, I'm all for that. But can't you at least this once just admit that you were wrong in accusing DJ of making the anon posts?
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OK.
Of course a parent would send a kid to a program after reading fornits.
Why? Because any parent who says they are considering placing their child in a program is attacked with a vengeance on fornits, shown no respect, called vile names. This parent is already in emotional turmoil, and is seeking help. When attacked, rather than being offered help- the parent hears none of the good advice offered.
Then these desperate parents turn elsewhere, and the people at "elsewhere" pretend to be on this parent's side, pretend to care, pretend to understand. The child ends up in a program.
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Wow, Who. Admitting doing wrong and then doing the same wrong thing in the same breath. What an improvement :roll:
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Yes, Fornits gets nasty. It's the only unmoderated, uncensored site dealing with the teen help industry. There are many others on both sides that have moderated forums. Why can't there be room for a single completely open forum? I understand very well that a lot of parents get turned off by some of the shit posted here but many others choose to ignore the crap and do dig for the important stuff. Many don't ever post but do spend time reading. I can think of at least 5 kids off the top of my head that have been pulled as a direct result of parents reading here AND other places. I still keep in contact with two of them. I'm finding that the ones who truly seek out the truth don't just take what someone on Fornits or any other site at face value. They read, follow links, go to other sites, research on their own and very often find out that these 'deranged, disgruntled, druggy ass kids' are spot on with their descriptions of their treatment.....no matter how crudely the message is written.
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The FACILITY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS topic DOES have a moderator, Three Springs Waygookin. In his "welcome" to the site, he explains he has the authority to edit and delete posts "at his whim"; and he has done that. Understand he also has the authority to know IP Addresses of each poster.
So fornits isn't the ONLY unmoderated, uncensored site dealing with the teen help industry.
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Notice that there is virtually no traffic there either. It seems pretty clear that the vast majority of people prefer "unmoderated." I think that was a bad idea from the start. It's more of a TSW soliloquy than anything else - which is fine, but not very useful for most folks.
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On 2006-06-08 08:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The FACILITY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS topic DOES have a moderator, Three Springs Waygookin. In his "welcome" to the site, he explains he has the authority to edit and delete posts "at his whim"; and he has done that. Understand he also has the authority to know IP Addresses of each poster.
I don't really care if he can see my IP. What difference does that make?
So fornits isn't the ONLY unmoderated, uncensored site dealing with the teen help industry. "
Alright then, tell me of another site that is unmoderated.
My bad with this particular thread, most forums here are unmoderated and uncensored.
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Your mother's unmoderated and uncensored. :lol:
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Don't care if he can identify IP Addresses either; was just pointing out that fornits is not the ONLY unmonitored and uncensored forum discussing the teen help industry.
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On 2006-06-06 18:01:00, TheWho wrote:
" Are you comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates?
Who, your relentless, monomaniacal trolling and complete lack of knowledge of what you're talking about disgusts and appalls me. Please stop posting here.
- A Parent
You are freaking clueless man.
Okay, DJ, you logged in 1 out of 3 times, which is getting better. To answer your question , yes I am comparing Rudy Bentz and Tim Brace to Ben Franklin and Bill Gates. But most people don?t have a tough time understanding analogies.
For you I will explain:
I am not saying they have the same moral values, the same ethnic back ground, hair color or religions. But they were founders, when using an analogy you must assume that the recipient will know enough to search and understand the connection you are trying to make and you seem to struggle in this area. So, yes, they are totally different people but the analogy bridges them together for maybe one thing they have in common. You miss it every time and each time you seem so miffed.
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Uhhh....what did Rudy Bentz ever "found'? He was a follower, clear and simple.
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Your mother was a follower, clear & simple.
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Yes, she was. What does that have to do with my previous question?
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What does your mother have to do with the previous question?
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My, my...what a highly evolved specimen you are...oh wait, let me guess...my mother is a highly evolved specimen. I'm done with our little chat. You're an idiot.
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Your MOTHER'S an idiot! ::both:: :rofl:
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Will someone please get this poor child a mother so s/he can stop obsessing over everyone else's? Thanks :silly:
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Your mother obsesses over everyone else's mother.. :lol:
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YOUR mother is obsessing over your obsession with everyone else's mother.
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On 2006-06-08 08:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Notice that there is virtually no traffic there either. It seems pretty clear that the vast majority of people prefer "unmoderated." I think that was a bad idea from the start. It's more of a TSW soliloquy than anything else - which is fine, but not very useful for most folks.
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I can see the advantages of a moderated option. While i love the freedom of expression on Fornits, i sure dont love the abuse that occurs or the general rudeness that sometimes happens. Passionalte debate is one thing cheap insults are another!!
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Your mother is one thing..