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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on June 02, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=187 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=187)
Here's one of HLA's "new hires." Although they advertise as having all Masters level counselors, it is completely untrue.
Exactly how does a BS in "Criminal Justice" and an interest in "Marshall (sic) Arts" qualifiy someone to be the primary caregiver to a child with mental health issues? It sounds more like a recipe for unneeded restraint than "therapy."
The kicker: http://www.nu.edu/ (http://www.nu.edu/)
This completely unqualified person has only a CJ degree from an online college.
Where are the licensed, masters level counselors (HLA advertisements claim "42 Masters Level Counselors"[/i])? I can seem to find only a single licensed one, (recent update to profile added "LPC") but I do see plenty of online degrees not related in any way to mental health.
False advertising? Scam? Why don't HLA parents ask questions about the staff?
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=147 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=147)
Woops! No degree here at all.
This one is funny:
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=175 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=175)
No degree whatsoever for this AC and her sole and only qualification? "Jen loves sports." Well, glad to have you aboard, Jen!
If these are the staff that are "proudly" listed on the website, it kinda makes ya wonder who's "not-so-proudly" left off the website.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
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More on this topic here: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=41&40 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14370&forum=41&40)
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Ed Clark works as an Earth Element counselor in conjunction with two master's level counselors. He does not have a group unto himself. The irony of you making these comments about his qualifications (which on paper are poor), is that he is great working with the kids. He has very good insight, he is very bright, and is able to balance firmness with gentleness quite effectively.
This is not to say that you do not make some very good points about what HLA claims to have and what they actually have. In this case, however, it is just ironic because Clark is very good with the kids.
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Listen, I have no doubts whatsoever some of these people are caring, empathetic, intuitive and good influences for the kids. I've stated this many times before.
The problem is that what HLA advertises and what it provides are two very, very disparate products. As another poster said, if they were just a boarding school, this wouldn't be such a big deal. This is not the case, however.
HLA advertises that it provides counseling for its residents by masters level couselors which is provably false, considering there is only a single licensed counselor on the premises and many of the other counselors have unrelated degrees or no degrees whatsoever.
This is a huge problem in a couple of respects. One, "therapy" is being provided by unlicensed, untrained and sometimes completely uneducated staff and two, it is absolutely and unquestionably false advertising.
If HLA cannot manage hire and retain even the most minimally qualified people (sometimes being nice or caring just isn't enough - I think we can agree on that), what the hell are they doing with or for your kids for $5700.00 a month?
A second point: If there are indeed people who care about the welfare of these children, why do they accept the conditions under which these children are held? Why aren't they standing up for what is right and confronting the management as to why these kids get such low-quality care?
I hear what you're saying, but part and parcel of "caring about the kids" is addressing the shitty, subpar conditions of their treatment, the lack of proper mental health care, the unlicensed, uneducated staff, the behavior modification program, the unlicensed teachers without degrees in their disciplines, the blatant violations of accrediting standards and ORS regulations, the manipulating and fear-mongering (both kids and parents) etc - not to mention their being confined with dangerous inappropriate placements, some of whom have been reported by employees to be pedophiles and sexual batterers/rapists - is it not?
At what point does "caring" translate into doing the right thing?
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On 2006-06-02 09:13:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Listen, I have no doubts whatsoever some of these people are caring, empathetic, intuitive and good influences for the kids. I've stated this many times before.
The problem is that what HLA advertises and what it provides are two very, very disparate products. As another poster said, if they were just a boarding school, this wouldn't be such a big deal. This is not the case, however.
HLA advertises that it provides counseling for its residents by masters level couselors which is provably false, considering there is only a single licensed counselor on the premises and many of the other counselors have unrelated degrees or no degrees whatsoever.
This is a huge problem in a couple of respects. One, "therapy" is being provided by unlicensed, untrained and sometimes completely uneducated staff and two, it is absolutely and unquestionably false advertising.
If HLA cannot manage hire and retain even the most minimally qualified people (sometimes being nice or caring just isn't enough - I think we can agree on that), what the hell are they doing with or for your kids for $5700.00 a month?
A second point: If there are indeed people who care about the welfare of these children, why do they accept the conditions under which these children are held? Why aren't they standing up for what is right and confronting the management as to why these kids get such low-quality care?
I hear what you're saying, but part and parcel of "caring about the kids" is addressing the shitty, subpar conditions of their treatment, the lack of proper mental health care, the unlicensed, uneducated staff, the behavior modification program, the unlicensed teachers without degrees in their disciplines, the blatant violations of accrediting standards and ORS regulations, the manipulating and fear-mongering (both kids and parents) etc - not to mention their being confined with dangerous inappropriate placements, some of whom have been reported by employees to be pedophiles and sexual batterers/rapists - is it not?
At what point does "caring" translate into doing the right thing?
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Good post. My kid spent two years at HLA. For the most part, the "real" counselors (those with actual degrees) were useless because they had to adhere to ridiculous rules set by the crazy people in charge. The counselors who actually thought they were being hired to work with kids and HELP them ended up leaving in disgust. This made for a revolving door.
In my kid's case, he had at least 4 different Peer Group counselors within the first 6 months of his stay. The website states "Two Masters�-level Counselors are assigned to a Peer Group and remain with that Peer Group throughout the entire therapeutic program." That was one of the things that drew us to HLA. But, like so many other things, it was a big fat lie.
So getting back to the topic here, my kid was actually helped at HLA --BY A MEMBER OF THE CLERICAL STAFF. Yep, someone took an interest in him. This person had no degree, but saw something in the kid and worked with him and helped him. We got lucky. (It should be noted that the assholes in charge actually told this staff member to cease communicating with my kid. We had to fight with them to allow the kid to continue the only helpful relationship he had.)
So yeah, we got lucky. Someone took an interest. But for $5700/month parents shouldn't have to hope to get lucky.
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My kid spent two years at HLA. For the most part, the "real" counselors (those with actual degrees) were useless because they had to adhere to ridiculous rules set by the crazy people in charge. The counselors who actually thought they were being hired to work with kids and HELP them ended up leaving in disgust.
This assessment is bang-on. This is exactly what happened in my case (and many others that I personally know).
It's a progression. It starts with the pie-eyed newbies fresh out of college with altruistic intentions to help kids.
Soon they become aware that what they were told in their interview wasn't quite right or honest. They slowly become aware that the system doesn't work and kids are not having their needs met and aren't receiving proper or adequate care.
Then they redouble their effort thinking they really can make a difference if they only try hard enough so they work extra hours and stay for weekends - whatever it takes. They realize that if they cast aside the program paradigm and do what they were actually taught to do they can make real headway.
Soon thereafter they get confronted by management for not implementing the program and letting the kids "manipulate." They begin to express real concerns about the efficacy of the program and explain how the kids on their caseload are actually being retarded in natural maturation and aren't improving.
It invariably ends with a meeting with the headmaster telling them "It would be best for you just to resign immediately." They are escorted off the premises, no goodbyes, no proper turnover to new counselors, confused and hurting children wondering what happened to the only person who cared for them and the next noob steps in to start the merry-go-round once more.
What the kids are left with is a bunch of concerned but impotent brand-new, un- or underqualified inexperienced direct-care staff who become de facto "babysitters."
$5700.00 a month for a babysitter is hardly a bargain. Not to mention all the kids' problems return home with them when they leave the program - unabated, untreated, and oftentimes exacerbated and aggravated.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
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Your mom got lucky
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On 2006-06-02 11:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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My kid spent two years at HLA. For the most part, the "real" counselors (those with actual degrees) were useless because they had to adhere to ridiculous rules set by the crazy people in charge. The counselors who actually thought they were being hired to work with kids and HELP them ended up leaving in disgust.
This assessment is bang-on. This is exactly what happened in my case (and many others that I personally know).
It's a progression. It starts with the pie-eyed newbies fresh out of college with altruistic intentions to help kids.
Soon they become aware that what they were told in their interview wasn't quite right or honest. They slowly become aware that the system doesn't work and kids are not having their needs met and aren't receiving proper or adequate care.
Then they redouble their effort thinking they really can make a difference if they only try hard enough so they work extra hours and stay for weekends - whatever it takes. They realize that if they cast aside the program paradigm and do what they were actually taught to do they can make real headway.
Soon thereafter they get confronted by management for not implementing the program and letting the kids "manipulate." They begin to express real concerns about the efficacy of the program and explain how the kids on their caseload are actually being retarded in natural maturation and aren't improving.
It invariably ends with a meeting with the headmaster telling them "It would be best for you just to resign immediately." They are escorted off the premises, no goodbyes, no proper turnover to new counselors, confused and hurting children wondering what happened to the only person who cared for them and the next noob steps in to start the merry-go-round once more.
What the kids are left with is a bunch of concerned but impotent brand-new, un- or underqualified inexperienced direct-care staff who become de facto "babysitters."
$5700.00 a month for a babysitter is hardly a bargain. Not to mention all the kids' problems return home with them when they leave the program - unabated, untreated, and oftentimes exacerbated and aggravated.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer"
I wrote the original reply about Ed Clark.
Sadly, this assessment, is so right on the money it isn't even funny. This is exactly what happens at HLA. It all comes down to Dr. Buccellato not running the school effectively. Almost everyone their wishes he would sell the school so they could actually to the things that they want to do there.
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It all comes down to Dr. Buccellato not running the school effectively. Almost everyone their wishes he would sell the school so they could actually to the things that they want to do there.
This is also what I hear. Do you have contacts there that are still employed? What kinds of things are they saying about the Boss?
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I love Hidden Lake Academy. I feel honored to be a part of there rich history of progress and helping shape and mold our troubled youth into positive members of society.
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On 2006-06-02 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love Hidden Lake Academy. I feel honored to be a part of there rich history of progress and helping shape and mold our troubled youth into positive members of society."
you must have received "there" education, too. you can't spell and you don't know what "progress" means.
kids aren't clay to be "shaped" and "molded" either. the only "rich history" is buccellato lining his pockets.
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On 2006-06-02 14:36:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"It all comes down to Dr. Buccellato not running the school effectively. Almost everyone their wishes he would sell the school so they could actually to the things that they want to do there.
This is also what I hear. Do you have contacts there that are still employed? What kinds of things are they saying about the Boss?
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Wait a minute...what happened to ALL of your inside sources...shouldn't they be giving you all of the inside scoop? You are such a loser.
P.S...I know who you are. You've been clumsy.
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On 2006-06-02 16:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-02 14:36:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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It all comes down to Dr. Buccellato not running the school effectively. Almost everyone their wishes he would sell the school so they could actually to the things that they want to do there.
This is also what I hear. Do you have contacts there that are still employed? What kinds of things are they saying about the Boss?
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Wait a minute...what happened to ALL of your inside sources...shouldn't they be giving you all of the inside scoop? You are such a loser.
P.S...I know who you are. You've been clumsy."
Perhaps I'm wrong, but reads like he was asking the other poster if they had heard the same thing he had.
You folks at HLA just aren't very bright. Two years to figure out what everyone else knows?
Clumsy? If you couldn't read his posts and know, then you're obviously not anyone of importance and/or not included in the inner circle gossip.
I don't think it's been a big secret.
But hey, you got to feel important for a minute.
Would you consider registering? "HLA Detective" might be a good user name for you. People really want to know when HLA is posting. Don't let them down.
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On 2006-06-02 11:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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My kid spent two years at HLA. For the most part, the "real" counselors (those with actual degrees) were useless because they had to adhere to ridiculous rules set by the crazy people in charge. The counselors who actually thought they were being hired to work with kids and HELP them ended up leaving in disgust.
This assessment is bang-on. This is exactly what happened in my case (and many others that I personally know).
It's a progression. It starts with the pie-eyed newbies fresh out of college with altruistic intentions to help kids.
Soon they become aware that what they were told in their interview wasn't quite right or honest. They slowly become aware that the system doesn't work and kids are not having their needs met and aren't receiving proper or adequate care.
Then they redouble their effort thinking they really can make a difference if they only try hard enough so they work extra hours and stay for weekends - whatever it takes. They realize that if they cast aside the program paradigm and do what they were actually taught to do they can make real headway.
Soon thereafter they get confronted by management for not implementing the program and letting the kids "manipulate." They begin to express real concerns about the efficacy of the program and explain how the kids on their caseload are actually being retarded in natural maturation and aren't improving.
It invariably ends with a meeting with the headmaster telling them "It would be best for you just to resign immediately." They are escorted off the premises, no goodbyes, no proper turnover to new counselors, confused and hurting children wondering what happened to the only person who cared for them and the next noob steps in to start the merry-go-round once more.
What the kids are left with is a bunch of concerned but impotent brand-new, un- or underqualified inexperienced direct-care staff who become de facto "babysitters."
$5700.00 a month for a babysitter is hardly a bargain. Not to mention all the kids' problems return home with them when they leave the program - unabated, untreated, and oftentimes exacerbated and aggravated.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer"
And the problem is endemic to both the financial model and therapuetic model of the industy. Discipline is cheap. Therapy is expensive.
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This is a good point. They can't attract "real" counselors when paying dirt wages, offering no benefits and bouncing payroll checks so the place becomes just a "TSF" (Teen Storage Facility).
The comments being made here are hitting home with some of the people there. It makes them upset and angry, but their upset is misplaced. They should confront their bosses about the poor working conditions, low pay, lack of medical insurance, unpaid overtime, etc.
Why be mad at Fornits because your job sucks? It makes no sense.
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Lori Heist "Spanish Teacher" apparently has
no degree whatsoever. I thought all teachers
were properly trained - guess I was wrong.
$5700 per month for an "academic boarding school"
that cannot even hire qualified teachers. My
child who is gifted in languages could probably
have taught Spanish, too.
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isn;t tuition now raised to 5950
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Anyone puppets care to argue how reasonable this is considering the kids get almost nothing for it?
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I think it's important for people to understand that, although HLA and its supporters claim it is "improving," actually the opposite is true.
When I worked there at its inception, it was a hard requirement that all PG counselors had an MA Psy, MSW or higher and all AC's had a BA Psy or BS SW minimum. Of course, the exception was the staff they brought over from CEDU, all of whom were completely uneducated. New hires, however, all had to meet the minimum requirements above.
Now it appears there are no minimum standards at all. PG counselors have unrelated degrees, no degrees, etc. Qualifications for AC's have slipped to "loves sports" or none at all.
If this is "getting better," "improving," or "refining" I'd hate to see what "backsliding" looks like.
The price keeps going up and the quality of staff and the care they provide keeps going down.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-06-08 08:17 ]
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This is because it is getting harder and harder to find people that want to work at HLA. The word is out on what a depressing environment it is to work in.
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If it were important to have qualified staff (it clearly isn't) then there would be only one way to achieve that: pay better wages.
The problem is that "spreading the wealth" will never happen with the greedy Little Napoleon at the helm. He views all that money as his and his alone.
Anyway, what's your take on why more parents don't raise a fuss or ask questions? What kinds of things are they told to deflect their inquiries?
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On 2006-06-08 09:34:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"If it were important to have qualified staff (it clearly isn't) then there would be only one way to achieve that: pay better wages.
The problem is that "spreading the wealth" will never happen with the greedy Little Napoleon at the helm. He views all that money as his and his alone.
Anyway, what's your take on why more parents don't raise a fuss or ask questions? What kinds of things are they told to deflect their inquiries?
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Tough question...
First, I think it is because most of the kids at HLA seem to making improvement. They are fighting less with their parents, they are making good grades, and they are communicating on a deeper level than they have in years. If their child is making improvements, then they are not going to worry about the rest because it is working for them.
If questions are raised about the ammount of staff turnover, they are told that this is a natural thing that happens in any business setting and that HLA is helping their child deal with changes that are going to happen throughout their life. If a parent causes too much of a problem with any complaint they will simply be told to come pick up their child. Most of the time a parent will back down if they are told that. The last thing that most of these parents want is to have their child back at home, having to deal with them again. That is often what HLA banks on in an attempt to keep the kids there. The parents lack of other alternatives.
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Thanks for the reply.
So, I guess if folks get too nosy, they use the "nuclear option" - "Come get Junior." That can be a huge threat and seems like an effective way to bring cloture to any discussion. Unethical, but effective.
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True. One of the ironic things about HLA is that they really push the fact that a child will have the same set of counselors throughout the program. With the most recent graduation, however, not one group graduated with the same set of counselors that they started out with.
Counselors either quit or were fired. Most of the counselors got burned out when they had to take on their second Peer Group. That is also something that not all parents are made aware of when they enroll their children. The fact that their childs counselor will be working with two groups instead of just their childs. It really spread the counselors thin and takes away most opportunities to really bond with the kids. When I took on my second group, it was all I could do to keep up with the paperwork. Spending time with kids became secondary. If you wanted to keep your job you had to get the paperwork done. All of the management knew that the job was impossible, but their hands seemed to be tied as well because Dr. Buccellato would not make the changes that needed to be made.
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The entire counseling Team , except for the top guy, strongly opposed the counselors taking on a second peer group, just not effective.
to make the money he wanted to make, he refused to listen to the team
make the religous director take a peer group or be fired?
make hr teach classes to save a position
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Who is hr? They made DeVente take a peer group?
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Who are you? Did you resign?
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soon , very soon
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I was told yesterday by a current parent that Clay Erickson is running the infirmary...because he 'was', yes, 'was' an M.D. Although his B.A. was from a diploma mill, now defunct by the Federal Gov't, he did get an MD...I often wondered why aN M.D. would be at HLA..I knew years ago he had a substance abuse problem, he re-iterated that to the parents and now he was the Director of the substance abuse program..Like AA,NA, that would be helpful..He is a nice man..However, there really is no program at HLA, detox, etc..Yet the parents are told that the school is a good choice for substance abusers..What they do not tell the parents, as I was informed today, is that Clay
Erickson,apparently LOST HIS M.D. license 10 years ago.. So,if this is true, there is my answer as to why a nice man like Clay is at HLA...The HLA web site shows him as
still having an MD and the school allows one to
think he still does...Mind you , I personally like the man...but talk about misrepresentation.
Does anyone else know about this?
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http://webapps.ama-assn.org/doctorfinder/disclaimer.do (http://webapps.ama-assn.org/doctorfinder/disclaimer.do)
This should help you determine whether he does have license to practice medicine or not.
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He's not listed as a doctor with the AMA.
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http://www.state.ga.us/meb/bdsearch/index.cgi (http://www.state.ga.us/meb/bdsearch/index.cgi)
He has no license to practice in Georgia at all.
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Clay Erickson is listed as the Director of Addictions at HLA..He is not practicing medicine in the State of Georgia..According to his resume he attended medical school in Seattle.
Apparently , he lost his medical license 10 years ago and has not practiced since..However, as Director of Addictions in the State of Goergia, what is the required licensing by the State? We know HLA doesn't require much,but what of the State? The parents are being duped
into thinking he has an MD, which I am told, Buccellato wants to continue the masquerade..
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You'd have to ask ORS how they would classify him- Human Service Professional or Child Care Worker.
(a) All staff employed on or after the effective date of these rules must meet the following
minimum qualifications:*
1. Never have been shown by credible evidence (such as a decision of a court or jury, or a
department investigation or other reliable evidence) to have abused, neglected, sexually
exploited, or deprived a child or adult or to have subjected any person to serious injury as
a result of intentional or grossly serious injury as a result of intentional or grossly negligent misconduct as evidenced by an oral or written statement to this effect obtained at the time of application;*
2. Participate in the orientation and training as stated in Rule .08(6)(d); and*
3. Not have made any material false statements concerning qualifications requirements either to the department or the proposed licensee.*
(b) Human Services Professionals. The institution shall have designated human service professionals to provide services to children and their families. Within six months of the effective date of these rules, there shall be one human services professional employed for every thirty children in care or fraction thereof. However, a human services professional assigned referral and intake duties and responsibilities shall provide services to not more than twenty children. The institution's director, if qualified by education, may perform the duties of a human services professional. (During the phase-in period of this rule, there shall be one human service professional employed for every 36 children in care or fraction thereof, and a human service professional assigned referral and intake duties and responsibilities shall provide services to not more than 25 children or fraction thereof.)
1. Any human services professional employed on or after the effective date of these rules shall either:
(i) possess a bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university in social work,
psychology, childhood education, education counseling and psychology, or a related field
and either have two years experience in the field of child care or be supervised by another Human Service Professional with a master's degree in one of the above disciplines; or
(ii) possess a master's degree from an accredited college or university in one of the above
disciplines.
(c) Child Care Workers. The institution shall have designated child care workers to supervise children and be responsible for living units where the children reside.*
1. There shall be one child care worker for every ten children, or fraction thereof, in a living unit.
2. Any child care worker shall be at least 21 years of age and possess a high school diploma or general education diploma (GED) and have current evidence of successful completion of a biennial training program in cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) and a triennial training program in first aid which have been offered by certified or licensed health care professionals. Such training programs shall be completed within the first year
of employment.*
(d) Staff Training. Prior to working with children, all staff, including the director, who
work with children and are hired after the effective date of these rules shall be oriented in
accordance with these rules and shall thereafter periodically receive additional training in
accordance with these rules.
1. Orientation shall include instruction in:*
(i) The institution's purpose and description of services and its policies and procedures;*
(ii) The employee's assigned duties and responsibilities;*
(iii) Grievance policies and procedures;*
(iv) Discipline policies and procedures;*
(v) Child Abuse policies and procedures;*
(vi) Reporting requirements for suspected cases of child abuse and sexual exploitation
and notifiable diseases and serious injuries;*
(vii) The institution's policies and procedures for handling medical emergencies
(life-threatening, limb-threatening, or function-threatening conditions), and managing use
of medications by children in care; and*
(viii) Physical control techniques if the staff member is authorized to use the techniques.*
2. Additional training shall include twenty-four (24) clock hours of formal, annual training or instruction in child care issues related to the employee's job assignment and to the types of services provided by the institution. All staff, including the director, hired prior to the effective date of these rules shall also be required to obtain the twenty-four (24) clock hours of annual training or instruction and must initially receive such training or instruction within one year of the effective date of these rules.*
(e) All direct care staff shall have at least one full day (24 hours) off each week and shall also have at least one weekend off each month.*
(7) Reporting. Special reports shall be made to the department's Office of Regulatory Services, Child Care Licensing Section within 24 hours (confirmed in writing within five days) regarding serious occurrences involving children in care, such as serious accidents or injury requiring extensive medical care and/or hospitalization; death; or any incident which results in any federal, state, or private legal action by or against the institution which affects any child, the conduct of the institution, or any person affiliated with the institution. However, legal action involving the juvenile justice system is not required to be reported. *
Authority O.C.G.A. Secs. 49-5-8, 49-5-12. History. Original Rule entitled "Administration and
Organization" adopted. F. Jun. 30, 1994; eff. Aug. 1, 1994, as specified by the Agency.
***Notice #7 re: reporting... that is why all programs need to be licensed. They need to be required by law to report these types of incidents, otherwise parents don't know. Those conducting research need to have access to this information as well.
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Lenny wants him to quasi-practice to make HLA more money,
what are haircuts costing parents now?
weekend trips are next!
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wow this guy is batting a 1000.
Im sure the Buch could always justify some sort of "convienence fee" to balance out the books a bit.
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got awful quiet in here. :???:
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On 2006-06-21 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"got awful quiet in here. :???: "
It's no fun picking on the special needs people. :lol:
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Almost not posts in four days. Is the fight over HLA over? Have the people of fornits given up? If you are quiet for too long, Dr. Buccellato wins. This is what he is counting on. What is up with the law suits that we heard about? Are they dead? Credibility is being lost.
On 2006-06-21 16:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-21 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"got awful quiet in here. :???: "
It's no fun picking on the special needs people. :lol: "
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maybe a lot of posters are busy this week...it is the summer. I doubt the war over HLA is over. let's just standby
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It is far from over.......
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On 2006-06-02 08:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ed Clark works as an Earth Element counselor in conjunction with two master's level counselors. He does not have a group unto himself. The irony of you making these comments about his qualifications (which on paper are poor), is that he is great working with the kids. He has very good insight, he is very bright, and is able to balance firmness with gentleness quite effectively.
This is not to say that you do not make some very good points about what HLA claims to have and what they actually have. In this case, however, it is just ironic because Clark is very good with the kids."
ed clark tried to help figure out my problems and provided false insight into them. he used to be a cop. he is very good with some kids. lots of the kids hate him.
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I will not reveal my name, but I was pulled out of the school after two months time there after the ridge creek program. My parents realized how corrupt the school was. They talk about how the students will try to manipulate their parents but in reality the staff is manipulating the parents.
I have no idea where all the money goes. The boys dorms are cheap like no other.
Danny Pervel is extremely strict, tried to figure out my problems with little of my help at all, made false conclusions about me, tried to "therapize" me, as the students there call it. Danny Pervel also broke a kids arm when he tackled him (unconventionally violently) named Sean Reposa from Milford, CT.
Clay Erricson (spelling?) is horribly irresponsible. He talked to me about setting up doctors appointments for chronic fatigue, constipation (from the food there, as I dont have it now that I am at home), and headaches, also psychiatrist appointments (I requested an appointment with a psychiatrist for 6 weeks straight while horribly depressed (I dont joke about that stuff) before I actually got one).
A counselor there called my mom about his resignation and two other counseling staff were there to monitor the call to make sure he didnt say anything negative about the school and why he was resigning.
When tours are given in the golf cart they have, students have the urge to yell "DONT SEND YOUR KID TO THIS SCHOOL, etc...", but will get severely punished if they do so.
The Challer (pronounced shallay) is the cabin where they feed kids moldy bread and stuff. Its all true, I know various kids who have been there.
Kids get beaten up by other kids for "snitching". HLA has "fallout" (where you snitch to the staff on paper) about other people, but kids withhold information and refrain from writing down things about kids getting beaten up because if they do, the perpetrators will find out (they always do, inevitably), and beat them up more. It has happened before and will continue to happen.
Brian Allano has no sense of how to treat a depressed kid at all. He asked me, "Are you tired? Are you depressed? Oh, you're depressed that's it isnt it." It wasnt a malicious question, but he asked me so casually like it was no big deal at all. He also sent me to restrictions because I was sitting down (while having an anxiety attack) in the gym.
The school has 6 Janitorial Staff that have never been seen working by me in all the two months that I was there, and have never been seen by some of the kids who had been there for almost 2 years.
If I think of any more stuff, I'll post it, but I am tired now and thankful to be home.
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If I think of any more stuff, I'll post it, but I am tired now and thankful to be home.
"Welcome home!"
I hope you can get some real help for your difficulties. I know HLA was incapable of treating you. Please feel free to share more when you feel better. Thanks for posting your experiences.
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On 2006-06-23 11:38:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Welcome home
I hope you can get some real help for your difficulties. I know HLA was incapable of treating you. Please feel free to share more when you feel better. Thanks for posting your experiences."
HLA isn't capable of treating anyone.
Fised quote tag..[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-07-06 14:17 ]
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Looked around, noted the deletion of certain posts, specifically posts that allowed for the display of, say, maps and addresses and phone numbers of supposed posters.
And sometimes quite incorrectly, Ginger.
Now let me ask you: do you really think deleting posts after the fact is going to get you off the hook legally?
I wouldn't think so just from a personal perspective: I mean, somebody (like me for instance) might have backed up and stored the previous material, ain't that a shame, just when you're trying to make this board more benign?
:cry2:
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Looked around, noted the deletion of certain posts, specifically posts that allowed for the display of, say, maps and addresses and phone numbers of supposed posters.
And sometimes quite incorrectly, Ginger.
Now let me ask you: do you really think deleting posts after the fact is going to get you off the hook legally?
I wouldn't think so just from a personal perspective: I mean, somebody (like me for instance) might have backed up and stored the previous material, ain't that a shame, just when you're trying to make this board more benign?
For someone who insists that they are not Ottawa 5 (aka. ANNE HALL from St. Paul Minnesota) , you sure talk all of the same shit! You also sound every bit as ridiculous. How stupid are you anyways? If Ginger really was in any legal danger, then youEmotional Growth Idiots would have come after her years ago. What did you think you would gain by Threatening us again? Do you think at all? Apparently Not.
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Looked around, noted the deletion of certain posts, specifically posts that allowed for the display of, say, maps and addresses and phone numbers of supposed posters.
And sometimes quite incorrectly, Ginger.
Now let me ask you: do you really think deleting posts after the fact is going to get you off the hook legally?
I wouldn't think so just from a personal perspective: I mean, somebody (like me for instance) might have backed up and stored the previous material, ain't that a shame, just when you're trying to make this board more benign?
What the fuck are you talking about? Jesus fucking christ lady. Get a grip. No one is scared of HLA or any of their goons. No one has edited or deleted posts with the purpose of covering up ANYTHING. Listen carefully......THERE'S NOTHING TO COVER UP. She's not "on the hook" for anything. Don't you get that she's just DYING for Dewey Cheatem and Howe to provide her with further material for her collection? All of HLA's huffing and puffing is just that. A lot of hot air.
Crawl back under your bridge now. :roll:
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just when you're trying to make this board more benign?
Huh? Who's trying to make the board "more benign"? First, it's not malignant to begin with and second, the only change that has been made is to physical look of the board.
Again, get a fucking grip. Sheeeesh. :roll:
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I don't "insist" anything as to what you want to call me.
It just has always seemed a shame to me that stupid people on this site have in the past posted all kinds of phone numbers, addresses of people on the supposition that they had cleverly IDed some anon poster.
And now this info's gone.
What I'm asking (with ambiguous hopes re a real answer): what happened to this board?
Did somebody get really, really ticked off at your false postings of people's info?
That is, if I called some of the numbers that got posted here, assuming I saved them, and talked to those people, would they say "Yeah, some lunatic we knew nothing about called our residence (or showed up at our door) courtesy of a false posting on fornit's and we're gonna sue them out of existence.".
Is this the reason behind the changes here: some late realization that there are limits to the intrusive, false things you can publish about innocent people, just to try to prove to yourself what a smart ass you are--and how'd you come to this important conclusion?
:cry2:
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Someone post the address and phone number of the previous poster to shut him up, please?
(Hint: Nothing gets deleted here. You're completely talking out your ass, and everyone knows it. Is protecting child abuse that important to you?)
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O5, you're hallucinating again or bored to the point of trolling Fornits.
If you want to find the posts your looking for, type in your address or phone number. I just checked, they're there.
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Do some research before you start ranting.....
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Anybody look at the HLA website lately? Lots of new faces, nearly all with no degrees at all. Some with BA's in unrelated disciplines.
It is noteworthy to see that they have a new accountant. They must be totally snowing this clown.
Anyway, have a look at the new crop of unqualified staff mambers. I think they've turned over at least 30-45 people this year alone. This is a terrible sign and should warn parents about the poor quality care, especially the continuity of care. Staff members at HLA drop like flies...
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I will not reveal my name, but I was pulled out of the school after two months time there after the ridge creek program. My parents realized how corrupt the school was. They talk about how the students will try to manipulate their parents but in reality the staff is manipulating the parents.
I have no idea where all the money goes. The boys dorms are cheap like no other.
Danny Pervel is extremely strict, tried to figure out my problems with little of my help at all, made false conclusions about me, tried to "therapize" me, as the students there call it. Danny Pervel also broke a kids arm when he tackled him (unconventionally violently) named Sean Reposa from Milford, CT.
Clay Erricson (spelling?) is horribly irresponsible. He talked to me about setting up doctors appointments for chronic fatigue, constipation (from the food there, as I dont have it now that I am at home), and headaches, also psychiatrist appointments (I requested an appointment with a psychiatrist for 6 weeks straight while horribly depressed (I dont joke about that stuff) before I actually got one).
A counselor there called my mom about his resignation and two other counseling staff were there to monitor the call to make sure he didnt say anything negative about the school and why he was resigning.
When tours are given in the golf cart they have, students have the urge to yell "DONT SEND YOUR KID TO THIS SCHOOL, etc...", but will get severely punished if they do so.
The Challer (pronounced shallay) is the cabin where they feed kids moldy bread and stuff. Its all true, I know various kids who have been there.
Kids get beaten up by other kids for "snitching". HLA has "fallout" (where you snitch to the staff on paper) about other people, but kids withhold information and refrain from writing down things about kids getting beaten up because if they do, the perpetrators will find out (they always do, inevitably), and beat them up more. It has happened before and will continue to happen.
Brian Allano has no sense of how to treat a depressed kid at all. He asked me, "Are you tired? Are you depressed? Oh, you're depressed that's it isnt it." It wasnt a malicious question, but he asked me so casually like it was no big deal at all. He also sent me to restrictions because I was sitting down (while having an anxiety attack) in the gym.
The school has 6 Janitorial Staff that have never been seen working by me in all the two months that I was there, and have never been seen by some of the kids who had been there for almost 2 years.
If I think of any more stuff, I'll post it, but I am tired now and thankful to be home.
Thank you for your candid post.
What did you witness or experience during the night-time hours? How many nightwatch staff were in the dorms at night?
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Anybody look at the HLA website lately? Lots of new faces, nearly all with no degrees at all. Some with BA's in unrelated disciplines.
It is noteworthy to see that they have a new accountant. They must be totally snowing this clown.
Anyway, have a look at the new crop of unqualified staff mambers. I think they've turned over at least 30-45 people this year alone. This is a terrible sign and should warn parents about the poor quality care, especially the continuity of care. Staff members at HLA drop like flies...
The new accountant has a B.S. from Brenau, but it doesn't say what field. Shouldn't it he have an MBA in Accounting to be an Accountant?
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=195 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=195)
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Another teacher flys the coup....rather bites the dust....
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I just looked this up on HLA's website. They specifically state that they have certain minimum requirements for teachers and counselors, yet only a tiny fraction of their employees actually meet the criteria enumerated on their website.
This is obviously false advertising and fraud.
________________________________________________
E M P L O Y M E N T O P P O R T U N I T I E S
Teachers? Minimum Qualifications:
Bachelor's or Master's Degree in related field with teaching certificate.
Counselors' Minimum Qualifications:
Master's Degree in related field. Commitment to 22-26 month contract or the duration of the assigned peer group through to graduation.
Assistant Counselors? Minimum Qualifications:
Bachelor's Degree or above in related field.
Additional Positions - Current Advertisement:
If you have any questions or require further information please call and leave a message. Please fax a cover letter and a resume to:
Hidden Lake Academy
Director Of Human Resources
HRDir@hiddenlakeacademy.com
Office: 706-864-4730 or 800-394-0640
Fax: 706-864-9109
__________________________________________________
Nearly every single employee of HLA fails to meet these requirements.[/i]
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Where have 'you' been? Why don't you call them, see what they have to say....Seemingly, they have a few over qualified people, the others ,under-qualified....One should ask themself, why would over-qualified staff be at HLA??PHD, M.D.... Apparently aware of unethical pracices, they stay...Why? What brought them to HLA? Why is there so much trouble keeping nurses and psychiatrists?
Curious...
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A JD...so, why HLA?
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Huh?
Wonders SHH... two weeks later.
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A JD...so, why HLA?
That is Hawley, it is a good question...I often wondered why.....?
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Don't think I'm not paying attention here. You all think you can hide under your cloaks of anonymity. You are misguided.
I have been printing out all of your posts and am comparing writing styles - word usage, spelling customs, habits of grammar and punctuation. I have a pretty good idea who is putting defaming posts here and you may be facing some very uncomfortable legal questions.
I will be sending a package to my attorney with all of your posts. I don't spend much time on these boards, but I spend enough to see when I am being libeled. Be aware - I have many powerful friends. In fact, it was a friend who told me I was being libeled here. I am very busy in my doctoral program, so my time is limited.
Through comparing writing styles, I am building a case against all of you. You should be concerned about the libelous things you say here. Had you all availed yourselves to the superior ministrations of HLA and CEDU, you all would be happily adjusted, in medical school, and would not be making any errors of judgment as you obviously are. If I had more time, I would explain to you how you could improve yourselves so you could have the kind of life my family enjoys.
I will leave you to your miserable lives. You choose your own life - you all chose to disregard the excellent counseling offered by the highly skilled and trained staff at HLA and CEDU. I feel sorry for all of you. You can't possibly guess the deep satisfaction that comes from being perfect. I feel sorry for you, but I can't spend any time worrying about it. I receive many, many emails from posters here who want to have the kind of perfection that my son, daughter, and I enjoy. It is your loss.
The only hope I have for you is that you send your own children to my school, when it is open. My many rich and powerful friends are going to set me up in my own school, where I will teach the kids and their families how to be perfect. I only hope that I can hire some of the HLA and CEDU staff who are so highly trained. That will help me to create the atmosphere I want.
But for now, because I spend almost no time here, I will be sending hundreds of pages of these libelous posts, color coded and labeled to identify each poster. Ready yourself for a lawsuit.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
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Fuck off. :roll: ::both::
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What on earth brought this on? Did I miss something here?
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humor. it's not actually Ottawa, but a very realistic impersonation. hell, you fell for it. ::bwahaha::
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I think I especially like the "have a nice day" and the fucking stupid happy face. Remember how she always did that? She would assault everyone here, threatening everyone and cruelly inflicting wounds on wounded people. She delighted in taking on a superior air. GOD what a BITCH!!! And then she would say "have a nice day" and put that fucking happy face on there. Smart ass bitch. And now she's posting, pretending to be a "friend" of Annie.
Sick.
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I concur with everything you said. I went head-to-head with Ottawa several times, but it's unrelated to the discussion. The topic of this thread is Unqualified Staff Members, not Bash O5.
Start a thread on Ottawa if you like, but please :lol: don't distract from this discussion. Thanks for your consideration!!
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Hi, Deborah! I did this because it looks like she's been posting in this thread - recently. Maybe I'm wrong - Yeah, I remember her accusing you and FCT of being friends. She really tried to snoop and figure out who was hooked up. What an ass.
Anyway, I was trying to point out how mean-spirited she is. You're right - detracting from this thread isn't a good idea. Seeing her brought it out in me! I know - excuses, excuses!
I concur with everything you said. I went head-to-head with Ottawa several times, but it's unrelated to the discussion. The topic of this thread is Unqualified Staff Members, not Bash O5.
Start a thread on Ottawa if you like, but please :lol: don't distract from this discussion. Thanks for your consideration!!
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http://wwf.avigation.net/viewtopic.php? ... af46b1ceb9 (http://wwf.avigation.net/viewtopic.php?t=14370&start=75&sid=ebd7a6c82d849ef093cb86af46b1ceb9)
Correct, the medical degree cannot be removed. However, having a medical degree doesn't mean you can use "M.D." as part of your title because of what it implies. Check your facts:
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl ... e=43-34-26 (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl_codes_detail.pl?code=43-34-26)
43-34-26.
(a) If any person shall hold himself out to the public as being engaged in the diagnosis or treatment of disease or injuries of human beings, or shall suggest, recommend, or prescribe any form of treatment for the palliation, relief, or cure of any physical or mental ailment of any person, with the intention of receiving therefor, either directly or indirectly, any fee, gift, or compensation whatsoever, or shall maintain an office for the reception, examination, or treatment of diseased or injured human beings, or shall attach the title 'M.D.,' 'Oph.,' 'D.,' 'Dop.,' 'Surgeon,' 'Doctor,' 'D.O.,' 'Doctor of Osteopathy,' either alone or in connection with other words, or any other word or abbreviation to his name indicative that he is engaged in the treatment of diseased, defective, or injured human beings, and shall not in any of these cases then possess a valid license to practice medicine under the laws of this state, he shall be deemed to be practicing medicine without complying with this chapter and shall be deemed in violation of this chapter.
(b) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prohibit:
(1) Gratuitous services in cases of emergency;
(2) The practice of the religious tenets or general beliefs of any church whatsoever;
(3) The requiring of a fee for examination by opticians, at their established places of business, who do not prescribe or use drugs or medicines or attach to their names titles indicative that any such persons are engaged in the practice of medicine, as defined in this chapter;
(4) The performance of their duties for the federal government by federal physicians, both military and civilian;
(5) The consultation on special cases in this state of regularly licensed physicians from other states or territories;
(6) The licensed practice of dentistry, optometry, psychology, or chiropractic;
(7) The licensed practice of midwifery or nursing;
(8) The utilization of a physicia?s assistant to perform tasks approved by the board, and the performance of such tasks by the physicia?s assistant; the delegation by a physician to a qualified person other than a physicia?s assistant of any acts, duties, or functions which are otherwise permitted by law or established by custom; and the performance of such acts, duties, or functions by such a person other than a physicia?s assistant; or
(9) The performance of:
(A) Any medical task by a student enrolled in a medical college, osteopathic college, or physicia?s assistant training program approved by the board; or
(B) Any dental task by a student enrolled in a dental college approved by the Georgia Board of Dentistry where either type task is performed under the supervision of an authorized instructor lawfully licensed in this state to perform such tasks.
(c) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed as preventing any person holding a valid license as a Doctor of Osteopathy on March 16, 1970, from engaging in the practice of osteopathy as the same was practiced by such person at such time, subject to biennial renewal of his license. Such limited renewal licenses shall not authorize the practice of obstetrics or surgery other than the minor suturing of cuts.
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Kees de Vente is listed as HLA's Spiritual Coordinator so why is this guy teaching English at HLA and the Peer Group Counselor for PG 84? How is he qualified to do either????
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... ?userID=96 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=96)
Kees de Vente
Spiritual Coordinator
M. Div. ? Vanderbilt University. Kees is an ordained Minister, and has been with HLA since they began in 1994. He is married and his interests are Conservation and horseback riding. Kees is active in the local Ministerial Association.
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Kees de Vente is listed as HLA's Spiritual Coordinator so why is this guy teaching English at HLA and the Peer Group Counselor for PG 84? How is he qualified to do either????
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... ?userID=96 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=96)
Kees de Vente
Spiritual Coordinator
M. Div. ? Vanderbilt University. Kees is an ordained Minister, and has been with HLA since they began in 1994. He is married and his interests are Conservation and horseback riding. Kees is active in the local Ministerial Association.
I know this guy. In short, he's not qualified for ANY position at HLA save for the "spiritual" post. No degree in counseling or English, no teacher certification or license, no therapy license, no NOTHING.
What he IS is a HLA die-hard sycophant. See, at HLA you don't need qualifications, you need BLIND LOYALTY so your conscience doesn't become affected by your complicity in abusing and neglecting children.
Just as an aside, this guy is a total freak, VERY WEIRD and kinda creepy...
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Just as an aside, this guy is a total freak, VERY WEIRD and kinda creepy...
Absolutely true. REALLY REALLY creepy guy.
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Just as an aside, this guy is a total freak, VERY WEIRD and kinda creepy...
Absolutely true. REALLY REALLY creepy guy.
Hmmm.... why is it the term "creepy" keeps popping up to describe HLA staff? Is that a pre-requisite to work there?
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Kees was a fucking fruit loop.
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I was just thumbing through the staff roster and a couple of questions come to mind.
Brian Alano- Student Criminal Justice - Eastern Michigan University,
What does Student Criminal Justice mean? It doesnt show any kind of degree earned, does that mean he never got one? Further why would someone with a backround in criminal justice be an assistiant dean at a theraputic boarding school?
Theresa Allen
LPN, Dispensary
That's all it says. Where did she go to school? Considering HLA's willingness to accept diploma mill degrees shouldnt the parents know the staff is qualified?
Jim Brock
Accountant
B.S. Brenau University, Gainesville, Georgia Plants, food and antiques are exciting.
Brenau is a womans college, it does offer programs to men-through its online degrees. Im sure he's qualified. Maybe they wanted someone who wouldnt notice the books being cooked.
Ed Clark
Counselor
B.S. Criminal Justice, National University, San Diego, California. Hobbies: Reading and the Martial Arts
Again what does Criminal Justice have to do with a theraputic boarding school and how is this guy qualified? Not that his degree matters-again an online university.
Good God people this is only in the "C"'s and look how many issues have come up.
Wake up Parents!
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Clay Erickson
Director of Addiction Services
B.A. - Pacific Southern University. M.A. ? Antioch University
How interesting Doctor Erikson is no longer listed as a Doctor.
Why would that be?
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Clay Erickson
Director of Addiction Services
B.A. - Pacific Southern University. M.A. ? Antioch University
How interesting Doctor Erikson is no longer listed as a Doctor.
Why would that be?
There's a whole topic on the subject of Erickson:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=16983&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
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I was just thumbing through the staff roster and a couple of questions come to mind.
Brian Alano- Student Criminal Justice - Eastern Michigan University,
What does Student Criminal Justice mean? It doesnt show any kind of degree earned, does that mean he never got one? Further why would someone with a backround in criminal justice be an assistiant dean at a theraputic boarding school?
Theresa Allen
LPN, Dispensary
That's all it says. Where did she go to school? Considering HLA's willingness to accept diploma mill degrees shouldnt the parents know the staff is qualified?
Jim Brock
Accountant
B.S. Brenau University, Gainesville, Georgia Plants, food and antiques are exciting.
Brenau is a womans college, it does offer programs to men-through its online degrees. Im sure he's qualified. Maybe they wanted someone who wouldnt notice the books being cooked.
Ed Clark
Counselor
B.S. Criminal Justice, National University, San Diego, California. Hobbies: Reading and the Martial Arts
Again what does Criminal Justice have to do with a theraputic boarding school and how is this guy qualified? Not that his degree matters-again an online university.
Good God people this is only in the "C"'s and look how many issues have come up.
Wake up Parents!
Just to defend one of the staff there that is actually nice, Brian Alano is an Assistant Counselor and also in charge of Dorm B (the older boys dorm). I don't know what the requirements should be to hold the position of "Assistant Counselor," but him and a few other AC's helped me out while I was there a hell of a lot more than my peer group counselors.
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yeah Alano doesnt really serve in any therapuetic function, so the term assistant counselor in that case is rather misleading, but for the most part he is (or was when i was there anyway) a pretty decent guy who tried to do a few things to make life somehat more tolerable there. Of course he, like all of the other staff, is guilty of not reporting obvious abuses and problems at HLA.
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above post was me
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Let me preface this by saying that I am one that occasionally defends HLA on this site...
The irony of the "Brian is a pretty nice guy" posts is that I personally witnessed Brian cursing students out and being completely unfair to them. I guess it all depends on what you personally witnessed.
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yeah thats true, really, actually he seemed like a total asshole when i first got there but then he seemed to get better, who knows, maybe i just wasnt around him enough.
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Brian Alano is listed as the Asst. Dean of Students-not as an AC.
So HLA defender what do you have to say about the state of current events?
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you kno you've been at hla too long when you miss 76 days of school and still make a 3.0
http://tinyurl.com/yghgzk (http://tinyurl.com/yghgzk)
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that's a sad but true statement. i went to wilderness 4 times and had so much incomplete work, but I had As, Bs and Cs. They make students make-up the work they missed, but sometimes it's a ridiculous amount. I was sent to wilderness almost every semester, so I was way behind. I still passed all my classes.
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What sort of things were you sent to wilderness for?
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It is my understanding, that your school work goes with you to
Ridge Creek...That is what HLA has told ORS in the past....
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Oh yeah? HLA also tells ORS they are a traditional boarding school...... :-?
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It is my understanding, that your school work goes with you to
Ridge Creek...That is what HLA has told ORS in the past....
This is something that started about a year and a half ago to two years ago. HLA put a teacher out there and started sending them their school work. As with many things at HLA, sometimes this worked very well and other times it fell through the cracks and didn't happen the way it should. But, yes, it is policy that kids do school work at Ridge Creek.
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Whhaa?? Damn I wish that were true when I was there. I got sent 3 months before I graduated from there and from high school and had an INSANE amount of work to make up when I got back. It was so hard to finish that year.
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What sort of things were you sent to wilderness for?
The first time was for breaking the sex agreement and breaking bans. But my counselors put me on bans with all males so it was impossible not to break bans, so i was always on restrictions. My teachers would write me up if a guy asked me a question in class and i replied. So for being on restrictions constantly and breaking bans. I was sent to Ascent and it cost around $20,000.
The second time, I was sent to RCI in the middle of the first girls group. My counselors said it was a warning, and I just finished out the two weeks left and came back to campus. Again for being on restrictions all the time and breaking bans.
The third time was again breaking bans and I was in a "relationship" if that's what you want to call it.
The forth time, (since finally i was off bans, it wasn't that) Ted Mcallister and Arnold Zuberwhatever put me in the van after forcing me out of the bathroom and Ted said that I gave a girl a muscle relaxer, which I never had in the first place so I never could have given it to her, and he said I was the campus Topomax dealer. My topomax made me sleepy during class, so I cheeked it and spit it out. I never gave it to anybody and half the time I took it anyways. So I don't even know what he was talking about.
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*change to that, the 2nd time was for slapping a girl who yanked me out of the shower b/c she wanted to use it.
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Hehe... I remember all that.
Dude, were you there for the bloody tampon incident in the shower with Amanda Arthur? That girl was insane. Dude anyone who would shit in the guys urinal because she knew she was getting kicked out has to have some serious imbalances...
Sure made things interesting at the time tho.
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oh, man, yeah, i was there. i forgot about that. she was crazy. her and jared would stand outside on restrictions for 10 minutes making out at night until they heard someone coming.
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Dude, were you there for the bloody tampon incident in the shower with Amanda Arthur?
Dare I ask?
With all that security-locked doors/windows and security staff- how did she get into the boys dorm?
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Five positions advertised. Too little, too late?
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:iZM ... =clnk&cd=3 (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:iZM-7WP8ShIJ:www.jobster.com/find/US/jobs/by/county/GA/Lumpkin+%22hidden+lake+academy%22+%2B+diploma&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3)
***POSTING TITLE: Administration: Assistant Director, Testing/Assessment
ATTRIBUTES: Full Time. Requires Certification. No Sponsorship for Foreign Nationals.
EMPLOYER: Hidden Lake Academy
TYPE: Independent -- Boarding. Grade 8. Grade 9. Grade 10. Grade 11. Grade 12.
***POSTING TITLE: Administration: Assistant Division Head, Upper School
ATTRIBUTES: Full Time. Does Not Require Certification. No Sponsorship for Foreign Nationals
***POSTING TITLE: Administration: Assistant Principal, Senior
ATTRIBUTES: Full Time. Does Not Require Certification. No Sponsorship for Foreign Nationals.
***POSTING TITLE: Administration: Associate Director, Testing/Assessment
ATTRIBUTES: Full Time. Requires Certification. No Sponsorship for Foreign Nationals.
***POSTING TITLE: Administration: Assistant Director, Academic/Instruction
ATTRIBUTES: Full Time. Does Not Require Certification. No Sponsorship for Foreign Nationals
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Dude, were you there for the bloody tampon incident in the shower with Amanda Arthur?
Dare I ask?
With all that security-locked doors/windows and security staff- how did she get into the boys dorm?
She didn't get into the boys dorm. This was in the school building. She just walked into the boys bathroom and crapped in the urinal.
But anyway Amanda Arthur threw a bloody tampon in a shower while the girl was showering (if I'm remembering the story right). She got into SO much trouble.
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Dude, were you there for the bloody tampon incident in the shower with Amanda Arthur?
Dare I ask?
With all that security-locked doors/windows and security staff- how did she get into the boys dorm?
With all that security-locked doors/windows and staff, students still mangae to sneak out and have sex outside.
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Did Brad Carpenter quit?
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With all that security-locked doors/windows and staff, students still mangae to sneak out and have sex outside.
Thats just because the security was never what youd call top notch. They were usually easily distracted. The fact remains the same though, the locked windows in the individual cells (dorm rooms) presented a massive fire safety violation. If a fire ever broke out in the hallway every kid in there would be cooked, and the staff knew it.
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You need to double check the facts. One of the staff listed below has a master's degree and the other a B.S.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=147 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=147)
Woops! No degree here at all.
This one is funny:
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=175 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=175)
No degree whatsoever for this AC and her sole and only qualification? "Jen loves sports." Well, glad to have you aboard, Jen!
If these are the staff that are "proudly" listed on the website, it kinda makes ya wonder who's "not-so-proudly" left off the website.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
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and this after the puppets claim we dont affect anything.
Why would hla suddenly update their staffs credentials for no apparent reason? Unless of course they didnt want parents seeing the truth we had pointed out?
While youre scouring through the employee qualifications there are dozens more who have degrees totally unrelated to work at HLA (phys ed?) and many who simply dont have them at all?
Can you justify this?
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I want you to double check the facts. One of the staff listed below has a master's degree and the other a B.S.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=147 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=147)
Woops! No degree here at all.
This one is funny:
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=175 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=175)
No degree whatsoever for this AC and her sole and only qualification? "Jen loves sports." Well, glad to have you aboard, Jen!
If these are the staff that are "proudly" listed on the website, it kinda makes ya wonder who's "not-so-proudly" left off the website.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
Jen Nowiki might have recently gotten a B.S., but that doesn't change the fact that she definitely didn't when she first started working there in 2004. From talking to her, she told me she was working on it when I was a student there.
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Does HLA claim that all of their AC's have at least a college degree?
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Does HLA claim that all of their AC's have at least a college degree?
Taken from HLA's web site:
W H A T M A K E S O U R P R O G R A M U N I Q U E
Our Credentials
All Counseling Staff are full-time and are clinically trained, holding a Master?s Degree or higher.
An AC is part of the Counseling Staff.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx)
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Does HLA claim that all of their AC's have at least a college degree?
Taken from HLA's web site:
W H A T M A K E S O U R P R O G R A M U N I Q U E
Our Credentials
All Counseling Staff are full-time and are clinically trained, holding a Master?s Degree or higher.
An AC is part of the Counseling Staff.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx)
But as many people have said on this site, AC's are nothing more than glorified baby sitters. They are not really counselors. Actually, within HLA's framework they are part of the recreation department, not the counseling department.
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Does HLA claim that all of their AC's have at least a college degree?
Taken from HLA's web site:
W H A T M A K E S O U R P R O G R A M U N I Q U E
Our Credentials
All Counseling Staff are full-time and are clinically trained, holding a Master?s Degree or higher.
An AC is part of the Counseling Staff.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx)
But as many people have said on this site, AC's are nothing more than glorified baby sitters. They are not really counselors. Actually, within HLA's framework they are part of the recreation department, not the counseling department.
HLA holds them out as being part of the Clinical Staff. Don't try to shift the focus from the uneducated, unlicensed, uncredentialed clinical staff.
Whatever their actual function is, HLA tells parents they are part of their kids' counseling teams. This is fraud - and HLA is rife with it...
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In addition to the two Peer Group Counselors, Senior Master?s-level Counseling Staff assist each group and provide individual therapy to students in the final phases of the program.
and who is this refering to?
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In addition to the two Peer Group Counselors, Senior Master?s-level Counseling Staff assist each group and provide individual therapy to students in the final phases of the program.
and who is this refering to?
Since HLA employs only a single licensed counselor, it must be him.
He's got a lot of work to do with personal supervision of all of HLA's 40 counselors (by law he must personally oversee them), providing therapy for kids weekly (150 sessions per week - VERY BUSY!) and signing off on all the bills. How DO you do it, sir??
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I guess the way they spin it is better than "Your child will be afforded 15 mins a week of individual therapy. Please do not call to talk to our one licensed therapist. He is very very busy."
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the hla website only has 9 peer group counselors listed on its website. Are we cutting things down a bit?
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the hla website only has 9 peer group counselors listed on its website. Are we cutting things down a bit?
yeah, it's down a little from the "42 masters-level counselors" they advertise all over the wwweb. nothing like having the bare minimum, huh? i wonder who covers for these 9 counselors on the two days a week they don't work, the sick days, the personal days and the vacation time. if a counselor is out for a week on vacation, who "therapizes" the 30 kids left completely unsupervised?? makes ya wonder...
funny how now one counselor has 2 PG's and back in the day it was 2 counselors per PG. HLA gets worse and worse and worse. it won't be long now until they're completely out of business.
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Well now in all fairness I'm sure they could always have the night security people fill in as counselors. I have no doubt they would meet with hla's stringent qualifications. Or some of the admin staff. Danny Prevel for instance. I hear he's very good with children.
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Well now in all fairness I'm sure they could always have the night security people fill in as counselors. I have no doubt they would meet with hla's stringent qualifications. Or some of the admin staff. Danny Prevel for instance. I hear he's very good with children.
Danny the PERV-el? Yeah he's good with kids alright - in a Mark Foley kinda way. ::blushing::
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Ed Clark works as an Earth Element counselor in conjunction with two master's level counselors. He does not have a group unto himself. The irony of you making these comments about his qualifications (which on paper are poor), is that he is great working with the kids. He has very good insight, he is very bright, and is able to balance firmness with gentleness quite effectively.
This is not to say that you do not make some very good points about what HLA claims to have and what they actually have. In this case, however, it is just ironic because Clark is very good with the kids.
Alright, I am not one to bash people, and I am not going to make an exception now, but I need to clear some things up. First of all, Ed Clark being "very good with the kids" is subjective. From my extensive personal experience with Ed, I will say that I think he is a good person with good motives, but I don't know if he is really very good at what he does. I have seen him give out a ten-page writing assignment to a kid because the kid was out of dress code. Now, a zap would have been adequate, don't you think? Ed is a nice guy, and I don't think he is out to exploit or damage people like some of the others at HLA, but I don't know if he is really the right man for the job. I would advise asking others besides me, because I have my opinion and others have theirs, but consider what I have said here. I don't think Ed is the only nice but unqualified person there, either (um... Matt Klein anyone?).
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It is easy to sit back and attack HLA staff, the program or any other aspect of the organization,however, it is very apparent that the vast majority of those who are writting in are those who have no first hand knowledge of HLA or were struggling at HLA with poor behaviors, attitudes and thinking and simply manipulated family, in order to, avoid being challenged in changing their dysfunctional behaviors. I personally know Ed Clark and he is under consistent supervision as well as mentored regularly by seasoned counselors. He close to finishing up his degree.
"First, strive to understand, then work to be understood"
-Stephen Covey
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It is easy to sit back and attack HLA staff, the program or any other aspect of the organization,however, it is very apparent that the vast majority of those who are writting in are those who have no first hand knowledge of HLA or were struggling at HLA with poor behaviors, attitudes and thinking and simply manipulated family, in order to, avoid being challenged in changing their dysfunctional behaviors. I personally know Ed Clark and he is under consistent supervision as well as mentored regularly by seasoned counselors. He close to finishing up his degree.
"First, strive to understand, then work to be understood"
-Stephen Covey
Be Real in Atlanta.... Honey, You can be "bereal" or "PG80", but not both. I don't tolerate deception or schizos. Complicates things, as I'm sure you're aware. :wink:
PG80
Posted: 28 Oct 2006 05:50 Post subject: Lance's Fallout
I have to say I hated being told by him what I was doing wrong, BUT he Lance was right And the simple fact is that I learned alot about myself>>>now I know some of you writting in and I think it is time to grow up!! WE put ourselves at HLA and IF you are still bitchin about it...YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED A SINGLE THING.
So, either an ex student or current staff(?). One or the other, doesn't matter to me. But, you can't be both if you want to post here.
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It is easy to sit back and attack HLA staff, the program or any other aspect of the organization,however, it is very apparent that the vast majority of those who are writting in are those who have no first hand knowledge of HLA or were struggling at HLA with poor behaviors, attitudes and thinking and simply manipulated family, in order to, avoid being challenged in changing their dysfunctional behaviors. I personally know Ed Clark and he is under consistent supervision as well as mentored regularly by seasoned counselors. He close to finishing up his degree.
"First, strive to understand, then work to be understood"
-Stephen Covey
Be Real in Atlanta.... Honey, You can be "bereal" or "PG80", but not both. I don't tolerate deception or schizos. Complicates things, as I'm sure you're aware. :wink:
PG80
Posted: 28 Oct 2006 05:50 Post subject: Lance's Fallout
I have to say I hated being told by him what I was doing wrong, BUT he Lance was right And the simple fact is that I learned alot about myself>>>now I know some of you writting in and I think it is time to grow up!! WE put ourselves at HLA and IF you are still bitchin about it...YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED A SINGLE THING.
So, either an ex student or current staff(?). One or the other, doesn't matter to me. But, you can't be both if you want to post here.
Lots of multi-personality disorders going on now!
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It is easy to sit back and attack HLA staff, the program or any other aspect of the organization,however, it is very apparent that the vast majority of those who are writting in are those who have no first hand knowledge of HLA or were struggling at HLA with poor behaviors, attitudes and thinking and simply manipulated family, in order to, avoid being challenged in changing their dysfunctional behaviors. I personally know Ed Clark and he is under consistent supervision as well as mentored regularly by seasoned counselors. He close to finishing up his degree.
"First, strive to understand, then work to be understood"
-Stephen Covey
Okay Lance defend the aspects of the school you feel we have attacked. Explain why non affiliated adults are free to roam the campus at night? Or if that wasnt the case why hla staff feels the need to attack posters and pretend to be an assortment of different people. Is the primary focus of hla therapy or education? If its therapy then why arent they registered as a theraputic boarding school? If its education why do they practice therapy, why is a pscy evaluation required for addmission, why is completion of the program contigent upon therapy and not academics? Are "bad " students still segregated everytime visitors come by? Is food still rationed? Are kids still used as maintaince workers? Are the dorms still filled with fire safety violations? Are kids still forced to rat each other out? Do they still stay on punishment indefinitly, or until they cop to the giult of whatever crime occured. Are they still not allowed to tell their parents that they dont like it there? Let me know about those things Lance. In the meantime rest assured that not only did I not belong at hla to begin with, but I had no dysfunctional behaviors to work on. My counselors refused to acknowledge this because of course it meant less of a bonus for them. Also justify that policy for me as well.
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Does HLA claim that all of their AC's have at least a college degree?
Taken from HLA's web site:
W H A T M A K E S O U R P R O G R A M U N I Q U E
Our Credentials
All Counseling Staff are full-time and are clinically trained, holding a Master?s Degree or higher.
An AC is part of the Counseling Staff.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/HLAsUniqueProgram.aspx)
But as many people have said on this site, AC's are nothing more than glorified baby sitters. They are not really counselors. Actually, within HLA's framework they are part of the recreation department, not the counseling department.
HLA holds them out as being part of the Clinical Staff. Don't try to shift the focus from the uneducated, unlicensed, uncredentialed clinical staff.
Whatever their actual function is, HLA tells parents they are part of their kids' counseling teams. This is fraud - and HLA is rife with it...
Titles for many of the Assistant Counselors have now been changed to Recreation Counselors.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/FacultyStaff.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/FacultyStaff.aspx)
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Wow, they just get more and more desperate, don't they?
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Now that is fascinating. I wonder do these "Recreation Counselors" sit in on reals as Assistiant Counselors often do? If so how they are qualified?
What is the functionary difference between a Recreation Counselor and an Assistiant Counselor?
I also noticed they hired a network administrator. I guess they needed professional help in trying to shut us up.
Best of luck Sparky.
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what happened to Jeanine King?
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She beat Bobby Riggs in three straight sets.
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She got the boot after they became paranoid that she was somehow leaking information. If they would only realize that the evidence speaks for itself. Too bad they wasted energy on "witch hunts" versus actually addressing the problems. Rumor has it that they are closing up shop in December? Anybody else hear the same?
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correction...rumor has it that they wont have any money and will HAVE to close up by december...
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Then what are they paying their lawyers with, student transcript origami?
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payroll!!
and any other $$ they can get their hands on...which isn't much!
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She beat Bobby Riggs in three straight sets.
:rofl:
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Wow, they just get more and more desperate, don't they?
Yes. Yes, they do.
"All I want for Christmas is a closed HLA..."
Odds are 50-50 that they close soon. 30-70 that they close by Xmas. 90-10 that they fold sometime in 2007.
Any takers on this action?
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BUT all bets null and void IF they sell...which is really the only way that they will be able to make it...
i think a golf course would look good up there!!! hehe
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It is easy to sit back and attack HLA staff, the program or any other aspect of the organization,however, it is very apparent that the vast majority of those who are writting in are those who have no first hand knowledge of HLA or were struggling at HLA with poor behaviors, attitudes and thinking and simply manipulated family, in order to, avoid being challenged in changing their dysfunctional behaviors. I personally know Ed Clark and he is under consistent supervision as well as mentored regularly by seasoned counselors. He close to finishing up his degree.
"First, strive to understand, then work to be understood"
-Stephen Covey
I have first hand experience. What do you say to that? You prick.
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I heard this morning that they are so low on teaching staff an Assistant Counselor was "promoted" to Teacher.
Yet another violation in a laundry list of same.
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FLCLcowdude-
It boggles my mind how after the repulsive things you did as a student at HLA, you think you can attack the school just because your identity is hidden. True, in many ways, things go on at HLA that shouldn't, I agree. But almost everything you dicuss in these forums happened way before or after your short time at the school. Your "first hand experience" reasoning doesn't work with most of the input you give. Talk about what you really know and don't give your opinion as fact. Just food for thought.
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FLCLcowdude-
It boggles my mind how after the repulsive things you did as a student at HLA, you think you can attack the school just because your identity is hidden. True, in many ways, things go on at HLA that shouldn't, I agree. But almost everything you dicuss in these forums happened way before or after your short time at the school. Your "first hand experience" reasoning doesn't work with most of the input you give. Talk about what you really know and don't give your opinion as fact. Just food for thought.
His identity isn't that hidden since you know who he is. What's your connection to the, ahem, "school" that gives you this special insight?
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FLCLcowdude-
It boggles my mind how after the repulsive things you did as a student at HLA, you think you can attack the school just because your identity is hidden. True, in many ways, things go on at HLA that shouldn't, I agree. But almost everything you dicuss in these forums happened way before or after your short time at the school. Your "first hand experience" reasoning doesn't work with most of the input you give. Talk about what you really know and don't give your opinion as fact. Just food for thought.
Does it boggle your mind how after the repulsive things you did as a staff member at HLA you think you can attack him just because your identity is hidden?
Probably not.
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I can assure you, I am not a staff member. But I am quite familiar with 'cowdude' and if you were as well, you would all understand. Like I said, there are many things that go on at HLA that shouldn't, I still attend and this is made clearer to me everyday, but I can't stand with people talking about things that happened that they didn't witness going on but rather heard about it from someone else. That's all.
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But I am quite familiar with 'cowdude' and if you were as well, you would all understand.
He's roughly eight million times as trustworthy as you are, you miserable grovelling piece of shit. Wipe Bucci's semen off your face before you post next time.
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I can assure you, I am not a staff member. But I am quite familiar with 'cowdude' and if you were as well, you would all understand. Like I said, there are many things that go on at HLA that shouldn't, I still attend and this is made clearer to me everyday, but I can't stand with people talking about things that happened that they didn't witness going on but rather heard about it from someone else. That's all.
What things specifically?
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I can assure you, I am not a staff member. But I am quite familiar with 'cowdude' and if you were as well, you would all understand. Like I said, there are many things that go on at HLA that shouldn't, I still attend and this is made clearer to me everyday, but I can't stand with people talking about things that happened that they didn't witness going on but rather heard about it from someone else. That's all.
You still just have undisputed issues with me... You are too loyal to HLA.