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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 29, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
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Im curious Ginger. How exactly is it possible for you to offer/enable a site geared to confronting environments that you claim are harmfull to children,
yet in doing so, you do nothing to prevent children from being exposed to this very disurbing, disgusting site and its adult dialogue? By allowing people to post anonymously, you provide a safe-haven for those who post innapropriate, possibly illegal things where the children you claim to advocate have access to such material.
Has it ever crossed your mind that not only enabling and allowing such dialogue to remain on this board (which is in no way restricted to adults only) might be a small dose of the poison you claim to want to protect?
I cant help but get the idea that you and the others hell bent on closing down TCs are simply driven by a need to retaliate rather than some supposed child advocacy.
The structure of this board seems inneffective and I question the legality of allowing anon users to post and read the adult material within it, without assuring that they are of an age that allows them to.
Not to mention, the continued threats, and sexually oriented comments made to NAMED users.
Are there any safeguards in place to assure that the threats, and sexually oriented comments being made here are NOT directed towards users who are under 18?
Whatever twisted thoughts in your narrow skull that tell you it is not your responsibility are wrong Ginger.
Theres is NO excuse for allowing the dialogue here to continue unchecked, and there is no good reason to allow anon postings.
Users are quite capable of registering an alias to protect thier identity.
I found my 14 year old duaghter reading this site maybe 4 months ago, and have been reading it myself since then.
A freind of hers was sent to a TC listed here. She posted an email address in an effort to make contact with her freind, and to make a long story short, was solicited for sex by an adult who claims he is a member here, and a former resident of the TC in question.
This man has been indicted.
Of course the people of fornits cannot reasonably be held accountable for this, Im curious what level of responsibility you might feel is yours due to it taking place here?
Im also curious to hear what dilusional excuses you have for allowing unrestricted usage here given the adult material that would result in criminal charges if any of the many filthy disgusting posts here were spoken directly to a child?
I believe you are dilusional Ginger.
I am willing to bet you believe what you are doing here is OK, and does not violate an number of standards of decency while children have access to it.
The very children you aim to protect by closing down all the TCs of the world.
Please save your "parental responsibilty" lecture for another time and place.
If parents had complete control of their children, there would be no TCs, thus nothing for you to waste your life trying to retaliate against under the veil of child advocacy.
I look forward to your wordy, sarcastic response.
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It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
--Abraham Lincoln
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Whats with the dodgeball Ginger?
Cant bring yourself to answer any of the many valid questions in the post?
Just because theres no written law that what YOU are doing here is illegal, its still very wrong.
"If you cant find something offensive here, check your pulse or clean your contacts"
Seems to be a bit of a disclaimer there Ginnie.
An acknowledgement of sorts?
Too bad the accesability of the site by children never crossed your mind.
You enable a place for adults to post things children should not see or read.
Are you aware that there are states in this country that have laws that rpotect children from people like you?
Your site and its content allows the delivery of innapropriate metrial to enter any and all states in this country. Many with laws prohibiting it.
Im sure you realize you can expect an investigation and possibly a cease and desist order as a result of the above incident.
My suggestion is merely to restructure the board.
require registration, log user info accessable by subpeona, and ban IPs who violate a simple Acceptable use policy.
Tell me Ms Law professor...whats unreasonable about that?
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Uh, YOU posted anonymously so I guess its a safe haven for you to spew. ::troll::
Yes Ginger, please protect my children from exposure to anonymous trolls :lol:
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When you want to ship 'em off and not deal then they are "out of control teenagers" but if they read something, that, oh my, is in opposition to that then they are "children". Gimme a break what "child" would really be interested in what is on this forum? :roll:
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On 2006-05-29 23:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Uh, YOU posted anonymously so I guess its a safe haven for you to spew. ::troll::
Yes Ginger, please protect my children from exposure to anonymous trolls :lol: "
Im sure youd have a different point of view if it was your adolescent child who was sexually solicited here.
Moron. Jump from the misguided bandwagon your riding and wake up.
John B- Gonzaga University.
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On 2006-05-29 23:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When you want to ship 'em off and not deal then they are "out of control teenagers" but if they read something, that, oh my, is in opposition to that then they are "children". Gimme a break what "child" would really be interested in what is on this forum? :roll: "
Good question.
What ADULT would be interested in continuing to allow children access here while posts like these are made and available for them to read?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#198070 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=15588&forum=2&start=0#198070)
Certainly not the best example. There are many many more profound, sexually explicit comments here, as well hatefull references ("niggers") and criminal threats abound.
As the disclaimer says, "if you cant find something offensive here..."
Did someone tell you folks that offensive cant also mean illegal when viewed by children?
Heres an interesting read for you Ms Ginger.
Tell me who this was written to?
All your freakin patriotic quotes and US law references mean nothing to me.
Nor to those who were murdered in the aqisition of the country you seem to take pride in calling your own.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of Laws in a neighbouring Land, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our _____brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
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"He" is what is commonly known as an "American"
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Here we go again. The misguided thought police want to control what other people write, speak, and think.
If the 14 year old has a friend in a 'TC' then I doubt she found anything on this website that she has not already encountered elsewhere. The alleged soliciation is a shame and a crime, but note that the 14 year old was savvy enough not to fall for it.
Forewarned is fore armed. Education is better than censorship when it comes to protecting our youth. Censorship results in ignorant, naive young people that are easy to take adavantage of.
Trying to hide the harsh realities of life from young people often does more harm than good.
Most of the 'obscene' posts in this forum are posted by teens and younger adults, anyway. They will grow out of it. Let them vent. They are just blowing off steam and not hurting anyone.
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Get Net Nanny dumb ass.
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On 2006-05-30 04:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Here we go again. The misguided thought police want to control what other people write, speak, and think.
Fool, its not a matter of control, its a matter of accountability.
Its hard to reason with people who site the freedom of speach as a freedom from acountability for WHAT you say!
You ARE free to speak whatever you feel like saying (or typing) and I have no desire to change that, however this declaration does not remove accountability and consequence for what is said or typed!
Why do people have such a hard time understanding that?
If the 14 year old has a friend in a 'TC' then I doubt she found anything on this website that she has not already encountered elsewhere.
And thus its OK to continue exposing underaged children to obscene litierature?
The alleged soliciation is a shame and a crime, but note that the 14 year old was savvy enough not to fall for it.
Can I ask what the hell difference that makes?
Note also that the crime would not have occured if the child had not been permited access to this site.
Note as well that there is absolutely no means to aprehending the perpetrator of this act through this site while users are not required to register here.
Forewarned is fore armed. Education is better than censorship when it comes to protecting our youth. Censorship results in ignorant, naive young people that are easy to take adavantage of.
Im not sure I understand your logic.
Are you trying to imply that exposing children to adult material and telling them its wrong or possibly illegal is a means to prevention?
I dont think Ive read anything more rediculous here that wasnt meant to be rediculous.
Most of the 'obscene' posts in this forum are posted by teens and younger adults, anyway. They will grow out of it. Let them vent. They are just blowing off steam and not hurting anyone."
You have no evidence that teens post the obscene, sexually explicit and/or written threats on this board. Just as I have no evidence they dont. Allowing children access to it is wrong. Permitting it to be written without a means of recourse or a method of delivering consequence defies the concept of the freedom of speach.
I have no desire to limit what people say.
But to hold them accountable for it is by no means censorship or thought control.
Tell me, do you think it is unreasonable to demand that the members of this site restrict their comments to what they might actually say to others in PERSON, and thus be present and available to answe to the consequences of what they said?
If it cannot be said in person, why allow it here?
Self censorship is not unreasonable to encourage.
It is very obvious that many participants of this site refuse to censor themselves due to the fact they will not be held accountable for what they say. When it might be criminal in nature, is it far fetched to say Fornits owners are accomplises to whatever crime may take place here?
People say anything that strikes them simply because they will not be held accountable or be forced to answer to it.
I find it hard to believe ANYONE takes issue with the concept of accountability.
As for the 14 Y/O girl who declined the sexual advances of an adult.
I hope you dont think pedophiles are just going to go away when a child declines a sexual invitation.
If this person had not emailed the 14 Y/O outside of this site, they would not have been caught.
Can you read through the most obscene, disgusting posts here and be convinced that theres no chance the people who type them might also be capable of harming a child if given the oportunity?
Somehow I cannot. I'd be astounded to learn I am the only one.
[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-05-30 21:59 ]
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"Here we go again. The misguided thought police want to control what other people write, speak, and think.
Fool, its not a matter of control, its a matter of accountability.
Its hard to reason with people who site the freedom of speach as a freedom from acountability for WHAT you say!
You ARE free to speak whatever you feel like saying (or typing) and I have no desire to change that, however this declaration does not remove accountability and consequence for what is said or typed!
Why do people have such a hard time understanding that?
If the 14 year old has a friend in a 'TC' then I doubt she found anything on this website that she has not already encountered elsewhere.
And thus its OK to continue exposing underaged children to obscene litierature?
The alleged soliciation is a shame and a crime, but note that the 14 year old was savvy enough not to fall for it.
Can I ask what the hell difference that makes?
Note also that the crime would not have occured if the child had not been permited access to this site.
Note as well that there is absolutely no means to aprehending the perpetrator of this act through this site while users are not required to register here.
Forewarned is fore armed. Education is better than censorship when it comes to protecting our youth. Censorship results in ignorant, naive young people that are easy to take adavantage of.
Im not sure I understand your logic.
Are you trying to imply that exposing children to adult material and telling them its wrong or possibly illegal is a means to prevention?
I dont think Ive read anything more rediculous here that wasnt meant to be rediculous.
Most of the 'obscene' posts in this forum are posted by teens and younger adults, anyway. They will grow out of it. Let them vent. They are just blowing off steam and not hurting anyone."
You have no evidence that teens post the obscene, sexually explicit and/or written threats on this board. Just as I have no evidence they dont. Allowing children access to it is wrong. Permitting it to be written without a means of recourse or a method of delivering consequence defies the concept of the freedom of speach.
I have no desire to limit what people say.
But to hold them accountable for it is by no means censorship or thought control.
Tell me, do you think it is unreasonable to demand that the members of this site restrict their comments to what they might actually say to others in PERSON, and thus be present and available to answe to the consequences of what they said?
If it cannot be said in person, why allow it here?
Self censorship is not unreasonable to encourage.
It is very obvious that many participants of this site refuse to censor themselves due to the fact they will not be held accountable for what they say. When it might be criminal in nature, is it far fetched to say Fornits owners are accomplises to whatever crime may take place here?
People say anything that strikes them simply because they will not be held accountable or be forced to answer to it.
I find it hard to believe ANYONE takes issue with the concept of accountability.
As for the 14 Y/O girl who declined the sexual advances of an adult.
I hope you dont think pedophiles are just going to go away when a child declines a sexual invitation.
If this person had not emailed the 14 Y/O outside of this site, they would not have been caught.
Can you read through the most obscene, disgusting posts here and be convinced that theres no chance the people who type them might also be capable of harming a child if given the oportunity?
Somehow I cannot. I'd be astounded to learn I am the only one.
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What the hell is up with this page?
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Bad things happen to good people every day. This is something you might be wanting to teach your 14 year old. Your child could have just as easily been sexually solicited in a disney store or by a teacher at school. You want accountability? TEACH IT TO YOUR KID. Which, given the outcome you mentioned, you may have already done somewhat. I was abused by my gymnastics coach, IN THE GYM FACILITY, and there wasnt the word "nigger" or any other offensive literature posted on the wall there. Broaden your horizons and stop blaming. You give too much power to those whom youd have held "accountable", all the while missing the reality of the situation.
There are a billion sites out there that are just as susceptible to misuse and abuse, if not moreso, than this one. Many of which arent even associated with a positive cause or any form of activism.
You have been rude and absuive to Ginger in your posts on this forum. Please explain to me how this makes you any different than the posters you claim are offensive?
Would you wish your 14 year old to read your hateful, abusive responses to the administartor? What kind of example is that? Walk the walk my friend.
No, I think its personal. You dont want accountability or resolution, thats not even on your agenda.
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On 2006-05-30 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I hope you dont think pedophiles are just going to go away when a child declines a sexual invitation.
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I hope you dont think that pedophiles are just going to go away at all. This is where the danger lies.
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-Beastie Boys, Paul Revere[ This Message was edited by: SysAdmin on 2006-06-01 08:09 ]
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For the sake of argument, censoring what people say, or how they say it, here or on any other site is not going to prevent pedophiles from contacting girls who post their email addresses on the internet- which is apparently the 'crime' that was committed. Your daughter needs to understand that there are people in the world who don't have her best interest at heart. That really is your/her best defense.
Has your attorney made any requests for information from Ginger? If the perpetrator emailed your daughther, that should provide all the evidence you need.
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You are all playing into the hand of this troll. All this person wants is attention. ::troll:: ::troll:: ITS NOT TRUE!
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WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?!?!
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Ginger denies USING the people and their posts as examples of how TCs fuck people up.
Such a sinister plan: Allow the users anonymity so theyll post the most disturbing sickest shit they can think of and then display these people/posts to the world in an effort to convince an audience that these poeple would be so disturbed and sick if they were never in a TC.
Assuming this isnt her motive. I have to ask, what sort of credibilty does the site and its participants expect, when so many of the participants post shit such as their hatred for "niggers" ...sexually deviant fictitious tales directed at others, write the most dsgusting things you can read on the web, thus effectively discouraging any investigative reading by anyone who might have been interested in supporting the cuase.
Id like to point out that though I think the site has a valid cause, and should be further empowered to right the many wrongs with the teen help industry, the content here is completely discouraging and counterproductive.
I'd like to get involved with the fight against abusive TCs and "teen homes"
But make no mistakes about it. I will not associate myself with the trash in here.
As for children visiting the site and being exposed to the filth here. I think it is dispicable. Theres no question in my mind that more effective means of restricting the content, and or restricting the childs access to it is possible with very little effort.
There is no good reason why registration here cannot be initiated in an effort to hold people accountable for what they say when it is of a nature that warrants consequence.
Theres no good reason why a subsection of the board cannot be created to allow adults to continue with their sick offensive drivel while children have no access to such a section of the board.
The remainder of the board can be left as is.
If a simple AUP is violated there. Boot or ban the noncompliant turds for exposing kids to the filth they have some need to share dispite the presence of children!
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:rofl: :wave:
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On 2006-05-30 09:03:00, Deborah wrote:
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For the sake of argument, censoring what people say, or how they say it, here or on any other site is not going to prevent pedophiles from contacting girls who post their email addresses on the internet- which is apparently the 'crime' that was committed. Your daughter needs to understand that there are people in the world who don't have her best interest at heart. That really is your/her best defense.
My daughter understands the threats around her very well. What she doesnt understand is how a site like this one is accessable by her and others in her age group with its content.
(as for net nanny, isnt that censorship?)
I offer my child a reasonable and seasonable oportunity to make her own decisions, including the places she visits on the internet.
She has no idea about TCs, and in an effort to find out more, she came here.
The sexual solicitation is somewhat irrelevant to the point. In her quest to find information about what sort of place her close freind was sent to, she was exposed to some very disturbing innapropriate meterial here and it frightened her.
It offended her, and I have to question the legality of a 14 year old girl having access to the disgusting adult oreiented comments made in this site.
How do you people rationalize this?
How is it OK?
How is fornits somehow void of any responsibility for that when the "administrator" allows adult users to post the innapropriate dialogue, without the possibility of being held accountable for it?
Tell me something. If you and your 14 year old daughter were standing in a supermarket, and the man next to you grafically elaborates on how he masterbates, or how others rape children etc or how "niggers" (refering to people of african decent) are a genetic malfunction of the evolution of apes...
What action are you going to take?
Are you going to hold that man accountable for his comments made in the presence of your child?
Or are you going to put your hands over your childs ears?
Now tell me, which of the two would you consider censorship?
I cant believe how many people think holding someone accountable for their words is censorship.
ITS NOT!
People are, and should remain free to say whatever they feel like saying.
Theres no thought control or censorship holding them accountable for it!
Has your attorney made any requests for information from Ginger? If the perpetrator emailed your daughther, that should provide all the evidence you need."
The indictment is the result of emails in which the accused claimed he got her address from fornits.
I have no idea what the grand jury may have done in the way of info from fornits, maybe ginger knows and is hiding something?
The prosecuting attorney doesnt seem to be interested in Fornits. Cases involving the internet are very difficult to present to a jury and whatever role fornits played in the commencement of a crime seems insignificant if only to the prosecutor.
My attorney has no interest in fornits either, other than to mention it as the initial means of contact between my daughter and the accused.
Believe it or not, the defense attorney seems hell bent on finding some way to imply my daughter made the sexual proposition first and lied about her age dispite the fact that all of the emails exchanged between my daughter and this man are complete, intact, and identical on both his web based email server, and my own.
Nothing in any of them is unclear about my daughters age, and no implications were made by her that implied a desire for sexual contact between them.
In fact, only two emails were actually sent by my daughter. The rest were written and sent by the sherrifs office disguised as my daughter.
The man invited my daughter to a hotel in Boise.
Guess who showed up.
This is all really irrelevant to my point.
The board neds to change.
The board needs to strengthen its cause by weeding out the filth and the filthy.
It needs to incorporate a means to hold people accountable for what they say (again, NOT by censoring them, but allowing them to continue saying ewhat they will, and issueing whatever consequences may be appropriate for what was said)
Knowing what little I know about my daughters close friend, I too would like to know that she is not being abused in some way by the school that gets paid $30k a year to make her "better"
I didnt realize there was anything wrong with her to begin with. But her parents are in the middle of a nasty divorce, and I suspect she was sent to this school as a result of this, poor grades and an incident with alcohol (which my daughter happened to walk away from thank you)
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"My daughter understands the threats around her very well. What she doesnt understand is how a site like this one is accessable by her and others in her age group with its content."
http://www.rotten.com (http://www.rotten.com)
Try this site on for size and then come back and rant and rave about what is accesible to minors on the web. Youre very simply barking up the wrong tree.
Because as I mentioned before, it doesnt take a "site like this" to get a sexual predator on your trail.
If this statement you make about your daughter is true, then its contradictory AND selective.
And for someone who finds racially derogatory statements offensive, you seem to really enjoy reposting them ad-nauseum.
Fornits isnt a grocery store, its an admittedly unmoderated forum that deals with sensitive subject matter. All of this which is listed in the terms of use of the forum. Teach your daughter how to read terms of use statements before she enters a site, and then given her phenomenal judgement capabilties, she should have no problem coming across anything even mildly offensive or upsetting.
After all, we wouldnt want to be exposed to anything offenisive in this world. Does your daughter watch American Idol? Do either yourself nor your daughter find the idea that supremely talented youths are subjected to public humiliation and degredation which could have a profound effect on their self-esteem?All for the sake of entertainment? I find it to be the equivalent of rubber-necking during a freeway accident. Talk about twisted and disgusting. But I bet your household makes a night out of it, just like the other 61 million mislead citizens who came out and voted for this garbage rather than even voting for president!
There are plenty of things out there to rot your mind and your soul. The bottom line is we arent entitled to protection from it. But if we empower ourselves, we can learn to distinguish between whats right and wrong, and turn out the rest. Demanding that others do this for you is just futile and weak.
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That was me.
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Ginger denies USING the people and their posts as examples of how TCs fuck people up.
Such a sinister plan: Allow the users anonymity so theyll post the most disturbing sickest shit they can think of and then display these people/posts to the world in an effort to convince an audience that these poeple would be so disturbed and sick if they were never in a TC
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covers her tracks by pretending that somehow she is defending/upholding hers/and the anon horrific posters constitutional rights... lets see.. Its 1800... Sam the blacksmith's daughter is accosted with bad words and the like that goes on here... How do you think the constitution will do against a man with a gun...
Its 06 and I should be made to think that this posting here deserves to be protected? I want to know the purpose to protect someone who uses language of masturbation,pedophilia,fecal matter,urination,and other defaming stories involving others who attend this forum.
This forum is on borrowed time.. look forward to its being removed. It serves no positive purpose but to feed Gingers twisted sickness that has clearly been perpetrated on to others
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Youre right....we should shoot Ginger.
That solution is just so much more viable. With that attitude, how do you think the constitution would hold up at all?
Its pointless to try and explain anything to someone who posts the way you do. You just keep saying the same things over and over and over. Never deviate Never deviate. Its boring.
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There are plenty of things out there to rot your mind and your soul. The bottom line is we arent entitled to protection from it. But if we empower ourselves, we can learn to distinguish between whats right and wrong, and turn out the rest. Demanding that others do this for you is just futile and weak.
:nworthy: worth repeating.
Scroll on past the offensive stuff, and/or log out. No one has forced anyone to do anything that violates their sensibilites.
I wondered why the daughter hung around if she found it to be offensive, emotionally upsetting. Don't look/read.
Many people have wished that some would be banned. Here's what happens. They get a new IP address and resume posting. It becomes a cat and mouse game, which Ginger does not have time for.
Ginger can't save you from discomfort. She can warn you to read at your own discrection.
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You enable a place for adults to post things children should not see or read.
Why don't you supervise your daughter's internet use? I don't understand how you can blame Ginger for your poor judgement as a parent.
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Im not sure removing this site is a solution to the problem (people abviously refuse to acknowledge)
So I dont want to be put on that side of the fence and be forced to read through all the irrelevant defenses of it (the site as a whole)
This site certainly qualifies as extreme. No question about it.
But Ill note that no matter how extreme an activist group is, there is often possitive results realized. Shame that they are unjustly hidden behind the nature of a few extremely distasteful and disgusting actions.
Look at greenpeace, an extreme group of conservationists labled as eco-terrosists due to the extreme actions of those who disregard the groups commitment to nonviolent protest, yet claim to do them on behalf of the organization.
I dont understand how ginger, and the rest of you who have a legitimate cause, allow the happnings here to undermine your credibility and respect.
Theres an infinite amount of wisdom here, and some very inteligent, compasionate people with a noble cause to pursue.
Isnt it time to weed out the riff-raff, and condemn those who are not effectively and legitimately promoting the message you people atempt to send?
Theres nothing trivial about the saying: "One bad apple..."
I cant help but think theres an ulterior motive to allowing the filth to continue here while children have access to it. Nothing else makes sense, not even the weak, worn excuse that its a constitutional right to randomly offend or assault a general group with profane filth.
As for the Rotten.com link...get a clue!
If someone is actually LOOKING for "Rotten" they can go there and be satisfied.
My child is or was not looking for "rotten" but surely found it while looking for resources to learn about TCs here.
Rationalize how ever you like.
Youre in the box with the one bad apple...
Nobody's buying that box.
P.S. Did it cross your mind that while you accuse me of quoting the racial slurs ver-batum, you posted a link to a site that no reasonable person would want a child visit?
Wha the hell is wrong with you?
Wheres your disclaimer?
Do you not even have the decency to warn people of the absurdly disgusting filth in that site when those people could possibly be children?
I have to say, I think Fornits has done far more "brainwashing" than any TC has ever done.
You people actually believe that its ok promote a site geared to helping kids, yet within that site you allow the same kids to be exposed to such filth.
What freakin planet are you people from?
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Poor judgement as a parent?
Jayzus!
THIS WEBSITE IS HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN AND PROTECT THEM FROM TC's.
SHOULD CHILDREN NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE IT AS A RESOURCE TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES DUE TO THE FREAKIN TRASH WITHIN IT THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR ADOLESCENTS TO READ?
ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?!
FORNITS IS FAILING CHILDREN ON SO MANY LEVELS IT IS FRIGHTENING.
IGNORE THE FUCKED UP KIDS, AND GO FOR THE THROAT OF THOSE WHO MAKE ANY EFFORT (OR PROFIT) TO GUIDE THEM, EVEN IF THAT INVOLVES A DISTORTED INTERPRETATION OF THE FREEDOM OF SPEACH THAT PROTECTS THE SICK INDIVIDUALS WHO POSTS THE CRAP IN HERE BY REFUSING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE OFFENSIVE, DEBATEABLY ILLEGAL CONTENT THEY WRITE?
HYPOCRITES, ALL OF YOU. NOTHING LESS.
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Note also that the crime would not have occured if the child had not been permited access to this site.
I agree 100%. If you actually supervised your own kid she wouldn't have access to sites you believe are inappropriate.
Since you say there's been an indictment, it is a matter of public record. Please provide a link to (or just post) the information of the alleged predator. I would think you'd want that information out there. What's his name? What's his screenname? What program did he say he was in?
Thanks.
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Could this be the end of Fornits as we know it?
I sure hope so.
Stay tuned! Someones obviously getting under someone elses (thick) skin here.
Down with fornits, down with fornits!
Get off your damn asses, shut off your new 21st century idiot boxes (PC's) that enable all this inactivism and GO GET INVOLVED IN A KIDS LIFE!
Direct confrontation. If each person who comes here bitching and moaning about TCs actively involved themselves in a childs life who might otherwise have little or no possitive influences, I'd be willing to bet the possitive result would dwarf even the most bogus claims of a TCs "success rate"
Or stick with your dilusional idea that two things are going to happen at the same time:
Parents are going to live up to their title
AND
TCs are going to go away.
Wake up...anyone in there
Wake up!
Just a silly question.
What would change if fornits went away?
My bet:
ALL of you would have at least 16 more hours a week to spend with YOUR OWN KIDS!
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No, I dont think Ill be bringing any of the specific case info here.
My daughter is a victim, though not of a nature that is harmfull to her...yet.
Her anonymity is very important to her and to me, Im surprised you would even ask me such a stupid question.
Well, maybe not surprised.
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On 2006-05-30 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Poor judgement as a parent?
Jayzus!
THIS WEBSITE IS HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN AND PROTECT THEM FROM TC's.
SHOULD CHILDREN NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE IT AS A RESOURCE TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES DUE TO THE FREAKIN TRASH WITHIN IT THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR ADOLESCENTS TO READ?
ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?!
FORNITS IS FAILING CHILDREN ON SO MANY LEVELS IT IS FRIGHTENING.
IGNORE THE FUCKED UP KIDS, AND GO FOR THE THROAT OF THOSE WHO MAKE ANY EFFORT (OR PROFIT) TO GUIDE THEM, EVEN IF THAT INVOLVES A DISTORTED INTERPRETATION OF THE FREEDOM OF SPEACH THAT PROTECTS THE SICK INDIVIDUALS WHO POSTS THE CRAP IN HERE BY REFUSING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE OFFENSIVE, DEBATEABLY ILLEGAL CONTENT THEY WRITE?
HYPOCRITES, ALL OF YOU. NOTHING LESS."
advocate? thats funny
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Hey where the hell is Ginger?
Fine time to schedule a burka fitting Ginger.
Step up to the podium.
Bring your book of dilusional excuses and famous inspirational, patriotic, dismissable quotes.
Been a while since we've seen a good spin from you girlfren! (how many hours HAS it been?)
Wazzup wit dat ho?
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On 2006-05-30 12:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, I dont think Ill be bringing any of the specific case info here.
My daughter is a victim, though not of a nature that is harmfull to her...yet.
Her anonymity is very important to her and to me, Im surprised you would even ask me such a stupid question.
Well, maybe not surprised."
Yeah, that's what I thought.
We all know that victims' names (especially minors) are not released in the record.
You won't provide the details because you have none. This story is completely fictitious.
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stop your bitchin and whinin parent and propose a solution.
how will ginger or anyone else prevent the offenisve material.
who will be paid to read every post and delete those YOU find offensive?
Who will track IPs and ban offenders, and then again after they change IPs?
all this trouble for YOU?
are you willing to pay for your comfort?
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" This story is completely fictitious.
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Hey, will I be rich someday, and meet a beautiful woman who will be 22 years old forever?
Quick, pick 7 numbers between 1 and 80 please!
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On 2006-05-30 14:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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stop your bitchin and whinin parent and propose a solution.
how will ginger or anyone else prevent the offenisve material.
who will be paid to read every post and delete those YOU find offensive?
Who will track IPs and ban offenders, and then again after they change IPs?
all this trouble for YOU?
are you willing to pay for your comfort?"
Defeatist.
Theres no doubt in my mind that any "proposed solution" would never met your obviously rigorous standards.
Youre absolutely right. Pardon the interuption, feel free to return to you most enjoyable, productive website with its interesting and enlightening dialogue.
A comment from an anon that says another member known by name here places thier fingers into their rectum while masterbating gets no response.
A vocal complaint about it, and many many more like it gets the one who complains lynched by the peanut gallery?
Nice site. Cant wait to join with my real name.
You people are ill.
Enjoy your website.
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On 2006-05-30 14:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
stop your bitchin and whinin parent and propose a solution.
how will ginger or anyone else prevent the offenisve material.
who will be paid to read every post and delete those YOU find offensive?
Who will track IPs and ban offenders, and then again after they change IPs?
all this trouble for YOU?
are you willing to pay for your comfort?"
Defeatist.
Theres no doubt in my mind that any "proposed solution" would never meet your obviously rigorous standards.
Youre absolutely right. Pardon the interuption, feel free to return to you most enjoyable, productive website with its interesting and enlightening dialogue.
A comment from an anon that says another member known by name here places thier fingers into their rectum while masterbating gets no response.
A vocal complaint about it, and many many more like it gets the one who complains lynched by the peanut gallery?
Nice site. Cant wait to join with my real name.
You people are ill.
Enjoy your website.
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On 2006-05-30 11:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There are plenty of things out there to rot your mind and your soul. The bottom line is we arent entitled to protection from it. But if we empower ourselves, we can learn to distinguish between whats right and wrong, and turn out the rest. Demanding that others do this for you is just futile and weak.
:nworthy: worth repeating.
Scroll on past the offensive stuff, and/or log out. No one has forced anyone to do anything that violates their sensibilites.
I wondered why the daughter hung around if she found it to be offensive, emotionally upsetting. Don't look/read.
Many people have wished that some would be banned. Here's what happens. They get a new IP address and resume posting. It becomes a cat and mouse game, which Ginger does not have time for.
Ginger can't save you from discomfort. She can warn you to read at your own discrection."
:nworthy: :nworthy:
Lady, if you're this freaked out by a message board I shudder to think about how you handle real life and thus teach your daughter how to handle it.
And I highly doubt this pedophile story. I could be wrong, but call it a feeling.
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On 2006-05-30 12:19:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Note also that the crime would not have occured if the child had not been permited access to this site.
I agree 100%. If you actually supervised your own kid she wouldn't have access to sites you believe are inappropriate.
Since you say there's been an indictment, it is a matter of public record. Please provide a link to (or just post) the information of the alleged predator. I would think you'd want that information out there. What's his name? What's his screenname? What program did he say he was in?
Thanks.
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:wstupid: As a parent myself I'd like to be able to protect myself from this evil man. Would you please provide the screenname?
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I'm completely offended by Jessica Simpson!! I want her taken off the airwaves!!!! She's a dangerous influence on my children.
I'm totally fucking serious.
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Yes, if this story is true, then they are performing a GREAT injustice on the rest of the community by not coming forward with the name of this member here. Why won't you think of all the OTHER children? Kind of selfish of you, don't you think? Then again, it's fairly obvious this is bullshit. Seems way too familiar, just a different angle.
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no seriously, make a proposal for how to eliminate the smut you find offensive. how would you suggest it be accomplished? and who will do it? maybe you could volunteer for the position... not that ginger would give it to you... have a feeling things could get a little boring with you at the helm.
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The Troubled Teen Industry
Compliance is not character. Weakness is not strength. Regression is not growth. Toughlove is a hategroup. Time for some straight talk about the Troubled Parent Industry.
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry. Some days it's inspiring and heart-warming. Other day's it's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.
Warning: this website promotes anonymous posting and parent/ program bashing without accountability. Have at it!
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Who cares if the pedo story is true?
What difference does it make? The shit in here is innapropriate for children, which is the more profound point to consider.
There are many sites that state the content within is meant for adults only and the user who enters verifies they are 18 before entering.
Sure, most of them are porn. I dont see much of a difference between porn, and this site when considering tact.
Is it unreasonable to have the opinion the site isnt appropriate for children? Who in their right mind can argue with that?
This isnt about being offended, its about exposing children to sick, demented dialogue, with no oportunity to confront those responsible for it.
No matter what freakin rationalization you idiots come up with...its the sites responsibility to take whatever necesary steps it can to keep children from seeing and reading this crap.
How can so many people here distort the issue to fit their agenda while children continue to read this crap you all are content to keep in their view?
Why have all of you ingored the threat these people have on your credibility? Does it not concern you that you are all a part of fornits reputation as a group of whining, sick, perverted, disturbed people?
Why is it more important to allow the sick shit to continue than it is to consider ways to keep it out in consideration of childrens presence here?
Its not a matter of some silly right to speak and be heard.
Its a matter of not giving a crap what children are exposed to as well as your inability to do anything about it, so youve all just conceeded to defeat, and allow the sick trolls to go on unchallenged.
Bravo
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On 2006-05-30 15:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes, if this story is true, then they are performing a GREAT injustice on the rest of the community by not coming forward with the name of this member here. Why won't you think of all the OTHER children? Kind of selfish of you, don't you think? Then again, it's fairly obvious this is bullshit. Seems way too familiar, just a different angle."
Uh, this man is in jail.
Hardly a threat to anyone.
Try again silly person.
The accused has not been found guilty. Im not sure posting his name wouldnt jeapordize a conviction.
Asking my attorney for advice on the matter of posting his info here would be a bit embarassing dont you think?
Its not important to me to validate the incident.
Sorry if I disapointed you folks.
Carry on.
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If you feel it's inappropriate for your daughter to read this site, then monitor her internet activities. What's so difficult about that? Do we sacrifice the freedom to speak because someone might be offended? Please! According to your logic everything that YOU consider inappropriate should be censored. I can't speak for Ginger but I think this site is more directed at parents than kids. Of course there are kids are going to find their way to it, but it's not like random kids are going to show up here. Most, if no all of them have some kind of a history with these places and have seen far worse than has ever been described here. You really should consider popping that bubble you're living in.
I'd like an answer to the other anons question as to who and by what standards would we judge content to be so egregious that it would need to be altered?
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On 2006-05-30 16:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
Uh, this man is in jail.
Hardly a threat to anyone.
Try again silly person.
The accused has not been found guilty. Im not sure posting his name wouldnt jeapordize a conviction.
Asking my attorney for advice on the matter of posting his info here would be a bit embarassing dont you think?
Its not important to me to validate the incident.
Sorry if I disapointed you folks.
Carry on.
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Well with the courts bein' the way they are he'll be out soon even if he IS convicted. For the sake of the kids whom he'll try to prey on when he comes back it's only right and decent that you inform us. Not to mention that there may be other victims here. Ya never know.
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I am not going to post the persons name.
If you were legitimately worried about this person, you wouldnt ask me to risk violating whatever rights he may have and/or jeapordize a conviction. Sex offenders are required by law to be registered in theier respective states.
Those registrations are available to the public.
Keep up to date on them and you should have nothing to be concerned about by my refusal to post his name here.
When hes convicted, Ill post his name.
As for an alias here: Im not sure, but I think his moniker was "anonymous"?
Duh
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I'm not legitimately worried about "that person". I'm legitimately worried about whom he may have or will hurt. But, whatever. :roll:
So now how 'bout that question re: whose standards should Ginger be expected to follow in order to make this forum "acceptable"?
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Why do you insist on making other people responsible for your parenting? Do you really expect to live in a world where there is nothing offensive? There are a zillion things around that I wouldn't want my kids to be around but why on earth would that give me the right to dictate what someone else does? It's my job to teach my kid values. It's my job to be truthful and real with them. It's not my job to keep them in some invisible shell where nothing bad ever happens. Like I said, if they found Fornits they've obviously had some experience with a TBS. This isn't the worst they've been exposed to. By far it's not the worst.
Grow up, take responsibility for parenting your kid and I'll take responsibility for parenting mine.
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This is such transparent bullshit. :lol:
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So... tell us, what crime exactly was this man charged with?
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On 2006-05-30 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who cares if the pedo story is true?
What difference does it make? The shit in here is innapropriate for children, which is the more profound point to consider.
There are many sites that state the content within is meant for adults only and the user who enters verifies they are 18 before entering.
Sure, most of them are porn. I dont see much of a difference between porn, and this site when considering tact.
Is it unreasonable to have the opinion the site isnt appropriate for children? Who in their right mind can argue with that?
This isnt about being offended, its about exposing children to sick, demented dialogue, with no oportunity to confront those responsible for it.
No matter what freakin rationalization you idiots come up with...its the sites responsibility to take whatever necesary steps it can to keep children from seeing and reading this crap.
How can so many people here distort the issue to fit their agenda while children continue to read this crap you all are content to keep in their view?
Why have all of you ingored the threat these people have on your credibility? Does it not concern you that you are all a part of fornits reputation as a group of whining, sick, perverted, disturbed people?
Why is it more important to allow the sick shit to continue than it is to consider ways to keep it out in consideration of childrens presence here?
Its not a matter of some silly right to speak and be heard.
Its a matter of not giving a crap what children are exposed to as well as your inability to do anything about it, so youve all just conceeded to defeat, and allow the sick trolls to go on unchallenged.
Bravo"
You really like to throw around a lot of hateful adjectives. First of all, there are no children here. There are some teens here and there is nothing here that would harm a teen. Nothing. You're just a ranting idiot.
If you want to talk about protecting kids, let's talk about how my son, at age four, personally witnessed the collapse of the World Trade Center from across the Hudson River. By extension he watched 19 people he knew, including parents of some of his school mates die.
The next day, as we looked across the River to where the WTC used to be, he asked me, "Daddy, did the bad men fly planes into the buildings and knock them down?" "Yes, that is what happened" "Daddy, are all the people dead?" "Yes, I'm afraid they are." "Are we going to be dead, too?" "No, we will be fine."
After that, there is nothing on this site that a teenager might read that would bother me.
I would much rather have my child be aware of the mindfuck these programs perpetrate on teenagers than to have them watch that lying asshole of a President of ours and perhaps believe what the fucker says. If you want obscenity, just tune into the government or Fox News, or go read a web site that advertises their program with misrepresentations. I would really like to protect my child from that shit. An occasional 'fuck' or "butthole" does not bother me.
Living on the edge of NYC, my son has already seen it all, from the needles and condemns on the street to the homeless man with a stola sticking out in plain sight, to the prostitutes he sees on his morning ride to school. At age nine, we have educated him about HIV, STDs, drugs, gay vs straight, race issues and child abduction and poverty. We had to for his own protection. None of this has hurt him in the least. He still likes cartoons, toys, riding his bike, and playing with friends, and is as sweet and innocent a kid as you will ever meet; even if he does drop an F bomb once in a while (like after stubbing his toe).
My nine-year-old does not read Fornit's. It would hold his attention for maybe ten seconds.
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On 2006-05-29 23:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
My suggestion is merely to restructure the board.
require registration, log user info accessable by subpeona, and ban IPs who violate a simple Acceptable use policy.
My suggestions are these:
- Quit cussin the farmer w/ your mouth full
- Start your own forum, show me how it's done
- ::boycott::
Fear is the parent of cruelty, therefore it is no wonder if religion and cruelty have gone hand-in-hand.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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Hey you little assholes out there reading Fornits instead of doing your homework------
Take candy from strangers!
Get into cars with people you don't know!
Shoplift!
Get high! (And remember, drugs get you higher if you buy them with money you stole from your mom's purse)
Get a tattoo that reads "I learned how to be a juvenile delinquent by reading Fornits!"
Tell your mom she's a dumb bitch who needs to parent her own kids and quit sticking her nose in other people's business.
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Hey, you forgot some!
If you can do it in a video game, you can do it in real life!
The double-yellow line in the street is made out of solid gold, but you can only grab it while the cars are stirring it up!
There's more gold in the electrical outlets, but you have to pry it out with a fork!
Rattlesnakes are your friends, hug one today!
Ever taken an 18-wheeler for a joyride around town? It's fun! (Remember the If you can do it in a video game... rule.)
Paint thinner smells REALLY GOOD, take a big whiff today!
...and the sad part is, this is all better advice than "Send your kids to a program"...
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Wha the hell is wrong with you?
Wheres your disclaimer?
Do you not even have the decency to warn people of the absurdly disgusting filth in that site when those people could possibly be children?
Obviously, you didnt get my point at all. Its typical rationale from you....forget that the site is actually OUT THERE. But the fact that I posted the link here means that it will do infinitely more damage.
I may be in a box with a bad apple, but at least I have a view. And from the outside when you arent looking at anything else than the box my friend, you may as well be in it too.
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me again
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why do stupid bored hausfrau like your self get your panties in a wad about mere words ?
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On 2006-05-30 17:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am not going to post the persons name.
If you were legitimately worried about this person, you wouldnt ask me to risk violating whatever rights he may have and/or jeapordize a conviction. Sex offenders are required by law to be registered in theier respective states.
Those registrations are available to the public.
Keep up to date on them and you should have nothing to be concerned about by my refusal to post his name here.
When hes convicted, Ill post his name.
As for an alias here: Im not sure, but I think his moniker was "anonymous"?
Duh
"
I find it exceedingly ironic that you would mention standing up for a pedophiles rights. No matter the intention.
Seems we share a point of view after all.
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On 2006-05-31 11:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"why do stupid bored hausfrau like your self get your panties in a wad about mere words ?"
I dont wear panties.
:wink:
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Start your own forum, show me how it's done
your site should be rated xxx
should be un-accessable to young people
should be sensitive to those you serve... oh yeah thats yourself
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in a programmie trying to get this place shut down for talking about bad things happening to children?
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On 2006-05-31 15:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in a programmie trying to get this place shut down for talking about bad things happening to children?"
Why, yes. Isn't it strange...?
In any case, this person is just a troll. Those events never happened. It's a bunch of bunk.
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should be sensitive to those you serve... oh yeah thats yourself
:tup:
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Whether this place gets shut down or not doesnt matter.assholes are everywhere.. They just seem to congregate here at fornits,and what happens when you have a bunch of twisted assholes in the same place over a long period of time?
Ever read the Elan forum?
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::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott:: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
Orange Country, California
Los Angeles Times
29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray
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Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock sucker, Mother Fucker, and tits......
Those are the 7 words you can not say on television (or at least they were)....
What you child hears when he/she walks out the door is infinitely more vulgar, sexually suggestive, or even violent then what you will ever see here.
No matter what freakin rationalization you idiots come up with...its the sites responsibility to take whatever necesary steps it can to keep children from seeing and reading this crap.
Fornits does not "transmit", "send", or "force" any individual to read, listen or believe anything contained within these forums. We do not have a transmission tower here so if you wish to read any of our content YOU MUST REQUEST IT. So, you want responsibility, responsibility starts at the home.
Listen, for you the solution is simple. You either need to purchase blinders, or more simply burn you child's retina so that they can no longer see what may harm them. Take a Q-tip and shove it far enough into their ear to rupture the ear drum, so that they will not have to hear what harms them.
You are NOTHING more then a TROLL, and not a very good one at that. I am surprised that this discussion has raged on for pages and pages and yet you have nothing new to say. No evidence to back up your claims that the content of this board is harmful to any child.
Further more I highly doubt your claim about any inappropriate sexual commons. If they came fro here the proper athorities would have contaced us for the users information. Don't bullshit a bullshitter.
And as far as being a good parent. Why have you not taught you daughter to NOT post her email address anywhere. Especially anywhere that may be unsafe.
As far as any censorship, If Ginger were to start censoring anything here, I would have to start slapping her up side of her head until she came to her senses.
Oh, and one last thing.... You have layed out several mission statements for Ginger. Have you botherd to read the terms of use?? http://fornits.com/wwf/faq.php#terms (http://fornits.com/wwf/faq.php#terms)
::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott::
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Oh, and one last thing.... You have layed out several mission statements for Ginger. Have you botherd to read the terms of use??
ahh yes.. the legal loophole that allows ginger to operate this filth " above the law"
because someone agrees to these "terms" they have allowed ginger to take your constitutional rights for granted,and piss all over anyone...
Kind of a double standard coming from the lady that screams freedom of speech...
I wonder what would become of a person in 1776,if they told someone some of the things that have been told to me? Hmmmmmmmm
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jesus. shut up already. if you don't like it DON'T READ IT.
i think your kid is watching a porn flick with animals in it while you're ranting and not supervising. you may want to actually watch your kid for a change.
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On 2006-06-01 16:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
ahh yes.. the legal loophole that allows ginger to operate this filth " above the law"
because someone agrees to these "terms" they have allowed ginger to take your constitutional rights for granted,and piss all over anyone...
What the fuck are you talking about? How can your rights be trampled on if you're told ahead of time what the contents of the forum are and you decide to participate anyway? Do you have any concept of personal responsibility?
So even though what goes on here is completely legal, because YOU don't like it Ginger should change it? Fucking morality police.
Kind of a double standard coming from the lady that screams freedom of speech...
I wonder what would become of a person in 1776,if they told someone some of the things that have been told to me? Hmmmmmmmm"
You really need to explain this cause it makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.
Jesus Christ!! What a complete fucking moron. ::drummer:: ::rocker::
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On 2006-06-01 16:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, and one last thing.... You have layed out several mission statements for Ginger. Have you botherd to read the terms of use??
ahh yes.. the legal loophole that allows ginger to operate this filth " above the law"
because someone agrees to these "terms" they have allowed ginger to take your constitutional rights for granted,and piss all over anyone...
Kind of a double standard coming from the lady that screams freedom of speech...
I wonder what would become of a person in 1776,if they told someone some of the things that have been told to me? Hmmmmmmmm"
Yeah, they'd have burned her at the stake. Again, one of your preferrable solutions from the good ole days.
I wonder what they would have done to your pedophile back then? Castrated him? Certainly they wouldnt have been careful to observe his rights so that he might be properly judged in a court of law and then subsequently placed in the nearest prison facility where you will proceed to pay for his room and meals and college education with your hard earned income tax dollars.
I want you to pick a side.
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Actually, sex with a minor would not have been a crime in 1776. Age of consent laws came much later and were not really comprehensive until the Child Protection Act of 1977. Her 14 year old daughter could have been married off to some middle aged man in 1776 without so much as the lift of an eyebrow.
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Excellent point. It was also legal to beat your wife back then. Women couldn't vote, etc. etc.
Psychotic Anon.....surely you're not suggesting we live by the exact standards of 1776?
Wait, smoking pot was legal then. Hey, maybe you've got a point! :smokin: :smokin: :rofl:
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On 2006-06-01 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"jesus. shut up already. if you don't like it DON'T READ IT.
i think your kid is watching a porn flick with animals in it while you're ranting and not supervising. you may want to actually watch your kid for a change."
Makes me wonder why the parent is jabbering on about filth, when the real issue is supervision. My own children are not allowed to mindlessly troll the internet without my supervision. I regularly check the website history on my children's computers. I also have the latest in child protection software installed on both of them. Not a fool proof method but certainly it is better than just letting my children cruise the information superhighway completely unattended.
My question for the troll, Why are you so intent on making out Eudora to be an evil person when it comes down to personal responsibility of parents adequetely protect their children from what they consider dangerous?
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On 2006-06-01 16:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
ahh yes.. the legal loophole that allows ginger to operate this filth " above the law"
because someone agrees to these "terms" they have allowed ginger to take your constitutional rights for granted,and piss all over anyone...
Kind of a double standard coming from the lady that screams freedom of speech...
I wonder what would become of a person in 1776,if they told someone some of the things that have been told to me? Hmmmmmmmm"
First lets talk double standard. If you read the terms of use, it is plain to see that the majority of these forums are completely un-moderated. Allowing for completed and total freedom of speech. How is allowing this kind of service trampling anyone rights? and Since there are no restrictions about what you can say here, how is ther a double standard.
Hmmmm... 1776, well I guess you would get run though, or shot. After all that is ow things were handled back then. In general, we did not need the police to take care of matters for us, we liked to take care of them our selves.
So far, Mrs. Troll, you argument is week. You continue to site the same things over and over again, with no real argument to back up any of your claims.
And don't forget: ::boycott:: ::boycott::
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So far, Mrs. Troll, you argument is week. You continue to site the same things over and over again, with no real argument to back up any of your claims
I think you have me mistaken for another member of your fan club.....
If the purpose is to help shut down abusive treatment centers/educate the public of their common practices... You have fallen way short of your goal based on what I have read.
Allowing these creeps to post what they do has severely damaged any possible credibility that could come from this site. Furthermore,you clearly havent any self esteem,or respect for others.At least none that I have seen.
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On 2006-06-02 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So far, Mrs. Troll, you argument is week. You continue to site the same things over and over again, with no real argument to back up any of your claims
I think you have me mistaken for another member of your fan club.....
If the purpose is to help shut down abusive treatment centers/educate the public of their common practices... You have fallen way short of your goal based on what I have read.
Allowing these creeps to post what they do has severely damaged any possible credibility that could come from this site. Furthermore,you clearly havent any self esteem,or respect for others.At least none that I have seen."
But, can you tell what color shoes he's wearing?
You clearly have no clarity. How in all of gods creation can you pronounce such judgement on someone based on a few internet posts?
I always find this hysterical. People passing wide sweeping judgement on others in an internet forum. All the while in real life they wouldnt even chastize the Starbucks Barista for putting too much foam in their latte.
Its nothing more than petty insult. SYsAdmin didnt attack your self-esteem or self respect....thats just a cop-out grasp for superiority. When all else fails, insult someone. Forget the facts.
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Wow Carmel. You are just completely fucking out there!
Did you even understand the statement you responded too?
I'd expect a reply like yours to come from a psych patient. You clearly have a limited grasp of reality.
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Is there a problem here?
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Is there a problem here?
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On 2006-06-02 18:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow Carmel. You are just completely fucking out there!
Did you even understand the statement you responded too?
I'd expect a reply like yours to come from a psych patient. You clearly have a limited grasp of reality."
Cant even respond to that.Carmel you ARE out there.I tried for 10 minutes to find something meaningful,or real in your last post,but you make little sense.
If you found what I said to be insulting,I guess I am not sorry,just callin it as I see it
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Theres many valid points to consider from the critics of this site.
One I'd like to ask:
How do you folks not only allow the filthy disgusting pointless things to be posted in here, but defend them too?
I almost feel like I need to provide examples to these idiots who seem to think this community is just fine the way it is. Just read some of it. Start in the Elan section. The more its pointed out, the more defensive the sites enablers, and their "sheep" become.
This is your house, your podium to make a statement to the www audience.
When the broadcast contains hate (niggers, jews, gays, etc) disgusting harassment within the group and the likes of mayhem weve seen here, your all guilty by association.
Reminds me of the L.A. riots.
As a journalism student, I had the honor of asking nearly 200 people what message they hoped to send by looting and destroying property.
The popular answer was: "everyone else is doing it"
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On 2006-06-02 20:54:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Is there a problem here?"
Probobly not, we're just engaging your ugly cousin "Worthless"
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On 2006-06-03 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Theres many valid points to consider from the critics of this site.
One I'd like to ask:
How do you folks not only allow the filthy disgusting pointless things to be posted in here, but defend them too?
I almost feel like I need to provide examples to these idiots who seem to think this community is just fine the way it is. Just read some of it. Start in the Elan section. The more its pointed out, the more defensive the sites enablers, and their "sheep" become.
This is your house, your podium to make a statement to the www audience.
When the broadcast contains hate (niggers, jews, gays, etc) disgusting harassment within the group and the likes of mayhem weve seen here, your all guilty by association.
Reminds me of the L.A. riots.
As a journalism student, I had the honor of asking nearly 200 people what message they hoped to send by looting and destroying property.
The popular answer was: "everyone else is doing it"
"
Thats the way our web host wants it. Sick people gravitate towards one another. Though I have witnessed some random kind acts of kindness by her,the majority of what I have witnessed has been of the same substance posted by the sickest of the sick. Then defends their "right" to post this crap. Again,I dont think our founding fathers thought of this "internet thing". Had they,there would be alot of bagheads hanging on walls,proudly displayed
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................
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Thats the way our web host wants it. Sick people gravitate towards one another. Though I have witnessed some random kind acts of kindness by her,the majority of what I have witnessed has been of the same substance posted by the sickest of the sick. Then defends their "right" to post this crap. Again,I dont think our founding fathers thought of this "internet thing". Had they,there would be alot of bagheads hanging on walls,proudly displayed"
Oh fuck off. Its obvious you are one of the dumb fucks that posts the sick shit by the way you write and your punctuation errors.
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.........
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On 2006-05-29 18:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im curious Ginger. How exactly is it possible for you to offer/enable a site geared to confronting environments that you claim are harmfull to children,
yet in doing so, you do nothing to prevent children from being exposed to this very disurbing, disgusting site and its adult dialogue? By allowing people to post anonymously, you provide a safe-haven for those who post innapropriate, possibly illegal things where the children you claim to advocate have access to such material.
Has it ever crossed your mind that not only enabling and allowing such dialogue to remain on this board (which is in no way restricted to adults only) might be a small dose of the poison you claim to want to protect?
I cant help but get the idea that you and the others hell bent on closing down TCs are simply driven by a need to retaliate rather than some supposed child advocacy.
The structure of this board seems inneffective and I question the legality of allowing anon users to post and read the adult material within it, without assuring that they are of an age that allows them to.
Not to mention, the continued threats, and sexually oriented comments made to NAMED users.
Are there any safeguards in place to assure that the threats, and sexually oriented comments being made here are NOT directed towards users who are under 18?
Whatever twisted thoughts in your narrow skull that tell you it is not your responsibility are wrong Ginger.
Theres is NO excuse for allowing the dialogue here to continue unchecked, and there is no good reason to allow anon postings.
Users are quite capable of registering an alias to protect thier identity.
I found my 14 year old duaghter reading this site maybe 4 months ago, and have been reading it myself since then.
A freind of hers was sent to a TC listed here. She posted an email address in an effort to make contact with her freind, and to make a long story short, was solicited for sex by an adult who claims he is a member here, and a former resident of the TC in question.
This man has been indicted.
Of course the people of fornits cannot reasonably be held accountable for this, Im curious what level of responsibility you might feel is yours due to it taking place here?
Im also curious to hear what dilusional excuses you have for allowing unrestricted usage here given the adult material that would result in criminal charges if any of the many filthy disgusting posts here were spoken directly to a child?
I believe you are dilusional Ginger.
I am willing to bet you believe what you are doing here is OK, and does not violate an number of standards of decency while children have access to it.
The very children you aim to protect by closing down all the TCs of the world.
Please save your "parental responsibilty" lecture for another time and place.
If parents had complete control of their children, there would be no TCs, thus nothing for you to waste your life trying to retaliate against under the veil of child advocacy.
I look forward to your wordy, sarcastic response."
:tup: :tup:
:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Damn right.
Theres plenty of discusion boards out there that operate effectively with memberships requirements.
Simply put: Registration with a valid email address AND an alternate email address. Name (which can be kept confidential) City and state of residency (also confidential, and validated via an IP trace if and when possible)
Approval of membership prior to access and the ability to post.
Hate to bust the bubble of those with such negative outlooks, but I would be willing to bet theres plenty of people who already spend thier lives in this site who would be appropriate candidates for moderator roles.
A "mod only board" to monitor banned people, and new registrations.
Its not extremely difficult to guess if you ban someone with an IP from Boston Mass, and the same day someone from boston with the same internet provider wants access...they are possible the same user.
Ive accused Ginger in the past of putting the participants here "on display" as examples of how TCs produce fucked up people. You folks are being used.
Contrary to the obvious simple concerns of those who are so defensive: I am not here with the motivation to gag anyone. Im not here to say shut this place down.
I'd like to use it for what it *claims* to be intended for. How can anyone disagree with the notion that the only people who are going to jump on this bandwagon here, are the immature turds who have no input other than to post threats, pornographic images (most recently in the Elan board) constant meaningless arguements among anons who dont have a clue who they are speaking to...
The volume of irrelevant dialogue in here is astounding.
I have something I'd like to say to the struggling parents out there who consider TCs an option to parenting.
But I wont be doing it here, with the state this site is in.
Does anyone really expect to be taken seriously?
Is anyone really motivated to put any time and effort into meaningful dialogue when the odds you will be attacked, insulted, threatened or responded to with vulgar irrelevant shit is overwhelming?
Ive had several conversations with ACLU attorneys and state officials who refuse to consider this site a credible source of information when investigating unjustifiable "treatment" allegations within TCs.
Thats a fact plain and simple.
Do you folks feel like youre waisting your time yet? You are.
If you folks are ok with allowing your thoughts and opinions to be trivialized by the trolls...I cant begin to believe youre here in an effort to help anyone when you wont even help yourselves to the potential of this site.
Fornits is a lake of cool clear water on a hot day.
You swim, and drink, and bathe...only to see someone on the opposite shore pissing and shitting into the water.
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Ive accused Ginger in the past of putting the participants here "on display" as examples of how TCs produce fucked up people. You folks are being used
well said ! :tup:
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On 2006-06-03 04:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-02 18:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow Carmel. You are just completely fucking out there!
Did you even understand the statement you responded too?
I'd expect a reply like yours to come from a psych patient. You clearly have a limited grasp of reality."
Cant even respond to that.Carmel you ARE out there.I tried for 10 minutes to find something meaningful,or real in your last post,but you make little sense.
If you found what I said to be insulting,I guess I am not sorry,just callin it as I see it"
You dont find deriding someones self-esteem or sense of respect for others as insulting? I would think thats pretty straight forward.
I find it amusing that people make such harsh and profund judgements of the character of others in these situations online....because what the hell does anyone really know, about you or me? Just like you telling me I have a limited grasp of reality.....do you honestly believe you have enough information about my character to make such a claim? I may argue the facts or the issue, but I make an effort to not reduce myself to just insulting someone or calling bullshit on their entire character when they dont agree with me.
Do you REALLY think I should be compared to a psychotic? Simply because you dont understand my rhetoric? I certainly dont think you are a horrible example of humanity simply because you disagree with me on an issue.
It frustrates me when people become selective about their perception. Sometimes they only want to see the good in things, but you cant truly understand issues unless you give the good and the bad equal footing. IN MY estimation, that IS reality....and it isnt possible to have a firm grasp on it of you dont have objectivity. Just like my reference to the American Idol show. Its a public display of innapropriate humiliation for entertainment value. But somehow, no one seems to think thats sending the wrong message. Or any of that reality TV crap...watching people tear each other apart through lies and cruelty simple so the public can have a weekly train wreck to watch. I agree that its not in the same circle with a sex offense....but if you want to be rabid about the exposure your child is getting in the big bad world, you have to look all the way across the board. Once you do, you might see that sheltering and hiding your kid from the ugliness of the world is simply an impossible task. Knowledge is power, without it your just plain old unprepared, because bad things do and will happen.
Id also like to point out that back in 1776, they may have shot you down for raping a child ,without due process...but where do you think Pa put his gun when he got home from regulating the pedophile? He stuck it in the corner by the front door or under the bed.....not in a child proof gun safe with the safety on. And Pa also made sure his kids new what a gun was, and most likely how to use it and how to respect it. If you dont teach them they wont learn, at least not until its too late. THAT is reality. You are allowed to understand the ugliness of the world those who live in it, why shouldnt your kid be allowed...how do you think YOU got where you are today?
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Id also like to point out that back in 1776, they may have shot you down for raping a child
..or even just for making a few red flag touches...
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On 2006-06-05 10:54:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Id also like to point out that back in 1776, they may have shot you down for raping a child
..or even just for making a few red flag touches..."
Almost certainly.
:wave:
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On 2006-06-05 10:45:00, Carmel wrote:
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On 2006-06-03 04:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-02 18:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow Carmel. You are just completely fucking out there!
Did you even understand the statement you responded too?
I'd expect a reply like yours to come from a psych patient. You clearly have a limited grasp of reality."
Cant even respond to that.Carmel you ARE out there.I tried for 10 minutes to find something meaningful,or real in your last post,but you make little sense.
If you found what I said to be insulting,I guess I am not sorry,just callin it as I see it"
You dont find deriding someones self-esteem or sense of respect for others as insulting? I would think thats pretty straight forward.
I find it amusing that people make such harsh and profund judgements of the character of others in these situations online....because what the hell does anyone really know, about you or me? Just like you telling me I have a limited grasp of reality.....do you honestly believe you have enough information about my character to make such a claim? I may argue the facts or the issue, but I make an effort to not reduce myself to just insulting someone or calling bullshit on their entire character when they dont agree with me.
Do you REALLY think I should be compared to a psychotic? Simply because you dont understand my rhetoric? I certainly dont think you are a horrible example of humanity simply because you disagree with me on an issue.
It frustrates me when people become selective about their perception. Sometimes they only want to see the good in things, but you cant truly understand issues unless you give the good and the bad equal footing. IN MY estimation, that IS reality....and it isnt possible to have a firm grasp on it of you dont have objectivity. Just like my reference to the American Idol show. Its a public display of innapropriate humiliation for entertainment value. But somehow, no one seems to think thats sending the wrong message. Or any of that reality TV crap...watching people tear each other apart through lies and cruelty simple so the public can have a weekly train wreck to watch. I agree that its not in the same circle with a sex offense....but if you want to be rabid about the exposure your child is getting in the big bad world, you have to look all the way across the board. Once you do, you might see that sheltering and hiding your kid from the ugliness of the world is simply an impossible task. Knowledge is power, without it your just plain old unprepared, because bad things do and will happen.
Id also like to point out that back in 1776, they may have shot you down for raping a child ,without due process...but where do you think Pa put his gun when he got home from regulating the pedophile? He stuck it in the corner by the front door or under the bed.....not in a child proof gun safe with the safety on. And Pa also made sure his kids new what a gun was, and most likely how to use it and how to respect it. If you dont teach them they wont learn, at least not until its too late. THAT is reality. You are allowed to understand the ugliness of the world those who live in it, why shouldnt your kid be allowed...how do you think YOU got where you are today?
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Thats 4 paragraph's about something other than the topic? Your off on a tangient about shooting a pedophile.. I am talking about making this a better place.....Do you read whats posted in the elan forum,straights... Its criminal
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Your mother's criminal.
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Its everything to do with the topic...its just not in line of what YOUR idea of the topic is. I guess that makes it irrelevant. You want me to beat my fists and call it a travesty of humanity....I just think there are worse things in the world to beat my fists about.
I didnt start the stuff about the good ole days when people dealt with buggery on their own. I was making a point about how it wasnt lost on the parent that even though he must protect his kid, that means teaching his kid the responsibilities of dealing with less than favorable issues, adult issues. If thats not on Topic, id like to know what is.
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On 2006-06-05 11:35:00, Carmel wrote:
"Its everything to do with the topic...its just not in line of what YOUR idea of the topic is. I guess that makes it irrelevant. You want me to beat my fists and call it a travesty of humanity....I just think there are worse things in the world to beat my fists about.
I didnt start the stuff about the good ole days when people dealt with buggery on their own. I was making a point about how it wasnt lost on the parent that even though he must protect his kid, that means teaching his kid the responsibilities of dealing with less than favorable issues, adult issues. If thats not on Topic, id like to know what is.
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i dont think any of this is about parents
Kids will do what kids do.. Anyone who has had teenagers will attest to that ..
whether they know right from wrong is not the issue.. The issue to me is why provide them a place with this kind of audience to test your parenting skills.. This is a disgusting example of what not to expose your children too. have you read what is in the elan boards? the straight boards... This place is a cesspool.. You and the others are simply being used.... The high priestess of crap is showing all how sick you / we are by allowing this (under the pretension that freedom of speeach exists in this country) its a great cover,but its not right.Who knows whether its legal or not,its just plain wrong to allow this.
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Quit yer bitchin'
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You really want to stop Fornits?
Okay.
Gather all the program creators/continuers in one place and incinerate them with a flamethrower.
Voila! No more need for Fornits.
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On 2006-06-05 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-05 11:35:00, Carmel wrote:
"Its everything to do with the topic...its just not in line of what YOUR idea of the topic is. I guess that makes it irrelevant. You want me to beat my fists and call it a travesty of humanity....I just think there are worse things in the world to beat my fists about.
I didnt start the stuff about the good ole days when people dealt with buggery on their own. I was making a point about how it wasnt lost on the parent that even though he must protect his kid, that means teaching his kid the responsibilities of dealing with less than favorable issues, adult issues. If thats not on Topic, id like to know what is.
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i dont think any of this is about parents
Kids will do what kids do.. Anyone who has had teenagers will attest to that ..
whether they know right from wrong is not the issue.. The issue to me is why provide them a place with this kind of audience to test your parenting skills.. This is a disgusting example of what not to expose your children too. have you read what is in the elan boards? the straight boards... This place is a cesspool.. You and the others are simply being used.... The high priestess of crap is showing all how sick you / we are by allowing this (under the pretension that freedom of speeach exists in this country) its a great cover,but its not right.Who knows whether its legal or not,its just plain wrong to allow this."
::boycott::
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What the hell are you defending Carmel?
Heres a good example of my beef with this site and its sick enablers.
Theres an image of a woman giving a cop oral sex in the Elan section of this board.
Print that picture and go show it to a person under the age of 18.
No?
Well why the hell not?
Now tell me what difference does it make when a person under 18 can come here and see it?
Fornits makes it possible, And you morons defend it?
Literature of the same nature is equally illegal and immoral to permit children to view.
The other issue is your own credibility and the credibility of this site.
Which you all refuse to debate or acknowledge.
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If a child wants to read fornits, they are going to no matter what kind of fucking model parent you are.
If a child wants to do drugs or drink alcohol, or read fornits, theres not a fucking thing you can do to stop them.
Well, maybe there is. Put them in a fucking TC.
Idiots.
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Hey thats it!
Dont want your kids to read fornits?
Put 'em in a TC!
Hey Im a good parent.
If I dont want my kid doing drugs, I not only disgourage it and educate him, I run the local drug dealers out of town.
Fornits, pack your fucking bags.
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I dont understand why it cant be a members only board either. Im sick of the nasty trolls.
Theres lots of them that work fine. If the people here dont have time to moderate it, maybe your efforts dont meet the needs of your cause and you should find another hobby?
Discusion boards like this are easy. hardly any effort to ut one together.
Maybe Ginger is just too fucking lazy and not dedicated to her cause to make a place that produces possitive results for people who seek them?
While you all defend Ginger and kiss her ass. Ask yourselves what shes really doing for you and our kids with this site.
Heres a hint...Humiliation.
Feel it yet?
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My God, can ANYONE spell?
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On 2006-06-05 23:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My God, can ANYONE spell?"
who cares !!!
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your mother cares.
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On 2006-06-05 23:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My God, can ANYONE spell?"
Let see
"niggers,and fecal matter " They spell taht very well in one or more of your forums...Why dont you clean it the fuck up? Its says moderated,exactly what does that mean?
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On 2006-06-05 18:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont understand why it cant be a members only board either. Im sick of the nasty trolls.
Theres lots of them that work fine. If the people here dont have time to moderate it, maybe your efforts dont meet the needs of your cause and you should find another hobby?
Discusion boards like this are easy. hardly any effort to ut one together.
Maybe Ginger is just too fucking lazy and not dedicated to her cause to make a place that produces possitive results for people who seek them?
While you all defend Ginger and kiss her ass. Ask yourselves what shes really doing for you and our kids with this site.
Heres a hint...Humiliation.
Feel it yet?"
I never expected anything from Ginger, this is just a message board.
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Ask yourselves what shes really doing for you and our kids with this site.
Nothin'.
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On 2006-06-05 18:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont understand why it cant be a members only board either. Im sick of the nasty trolls.
Theres lots of them that work fine.
Why don't you just go to one of those or better yet, set up your own? Why do you feel the need to tell someone else what to do with their board?
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Because it's a programmie, and it thinks telling others what to do is its calling in life?
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On 2006-06-06 19:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because it's a programmie, and it thinks telling others what to do is its calling in life?"
It places the lotion in the basket, it does this whenever its told...
:razz:
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On 2006-06-05 18:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What the hell are you defending Carmel?
Heres a good example of my beef with this site and its sick enablers.
Theres an image of a woman giving a cop oral sex in the Elan section of this board.
Print that picture and go show it to a person under the age of 18.
No?
Well why the hell not?
Now tell me what difference does it makes when a person under 18 can come here and see it?
Fornits makes it possible, And you morons defend it?
Literature of the same nature is equally illegal/immoral/perverse to permit children to view.
The other issue is your own credibility and the credibility of this site.
Which you all refuse to debate or acknowledge.
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So Carmel, you have no response to this?
And where the fuck is Ginger?
Elusive little bitch isnt she?
This site sucks, and doesnt have to.
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Ginger is busy and doesn't wish to deal with the likes of you. Shut it.
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On 2006-06-07 07:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger is busy and doesn't wish to deal with the likes of you. Shut it."
maybe someone could explain the worthyness of this post in closing abusive treatment centers
: 2006-06-07 06:34:00
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You know whats really funny here, is Arties old AA sponser, Arties old sponsor called Art a waste of his time for all the relaps Art had.
Art also use to call him on the phone at all hours of the night drunk and balling his eyes out.
He'd ask for his forgivness time and time again, and finally his sponsor gave up on him, thats fuckin pathetic! He gave up on you just like your family did Art, but the only difference is your family did it with a lawyer.
I can only imagine how many more people you put through hell with your stupid piss poor attitude?
You truly give a whole new meaning to a horses ass.
You're a 42 year old cry baby, and have accomplished nothing in your life. I mean damn dude! You are a failure at AA...WTF????
You'll never find a mate again, but yet you continue to hold onto some hope that maybe there is another soul mate out there for you, I dont think so Artie.
First impression of seeing your profile with you shirtless is a fuckin joke. Are you trying to be a comedian by posting that picture of yourself or something? Because if you are, I got a great laugh from it. I can only guesstimate your body fat percentage lies between 35-52%, and thats being generous.
You have no room or ground to stand to defend yourself, but continue to make a mockery of yourself day in and out. You speak of balls and turds like it was candy, maybe it is to you?
You act like such a baby and complain, complain, complain about this site. But yet I find it very interesting amongst all the cry baby complaints you're still here, and why?
You like the attention, you like being made a fool of, thats the only explaination I could think of. You sit here and exploit that you have all this fun going jet skiing and live near a lake, who the fuck cares? Have you actually ever taken the time to research the neighborhood you live in values? The values of the homes are far less then a first time home owner would expect to pay for a starter home, you aint shit BOY.
Average job/car you're damn right about that.
You're a freak, and its only a matter of time before your freakish ways attracks the attention of local law enforcement to bring you down and put you where you belong.
Yea I know art, eat shit , and gobble, gobble, gobble it down with a warm glass of urine. Do you use cum as a whip cream source ontop of your daily desert logs that come fresh from the buttocks of your chosing? Yummy yummy Artie, now go brush your shit stained rotten teeth.
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So the fuck what, asshole? Go fuck yourself.
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On 2006-06-07 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So the fuck what, asshole? Go fuck yourself. "
I'm sorry... were you offended?
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No; by that silly shit? ::both:: :wave:
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On 2006-06-07 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No; by that silly shit? ::both:: :wave:"
thanks... i feel so much better hearing that from an asswipe
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Glad to hear it, fucker! :smile:
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This is ridiculous. :roll: This site makes no promises about anything. It's a goddamn message board, plain and simple. It's Ginger's, plain and simple. She set it up, she pays for it and she's got every fucking right in the world to run it the way she likes. It's not a 'resourse', it's conversation. What the fuck is so hard about setting up your own fucking board so you can do it exactly the way you want it? There are plenty of sites around that deal with the teen industry, each of them run differently. That's the beauty of it. You can go use the one's who rules or lack thereof you agree with. If you can't find one that suits your needs, start your own. Pretty fucking simple when it gets right down to it.
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Your MOTHER'S ridiculous!!! :lol:
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Plain and simple, fucker -- your MOTHER is ridiculous!!!!! ::both:: :rofl:
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On 2006-06-03 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Theres many valid points to consider from the critics of this site.
One I'd like to ask:
How do you folks not only allow the filthy disgusting pointless things to be posted in here, but defend them too?
The same way that I defend a nazi's right to believe and speak the vile bullshit they do. Freedom of speech. Christ, most of us learned that in middle school. Where the hell have you been? :roll: :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-06-07 13:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-03 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Theres many valid points to consider from the critics of this site.
One I'd like to ask:
How do you folks not only allow the filthy disgusting pointless things to be posted in here, but defend them too?
The same way that I defend a nazi's right to believe and speak the vile bullshit they do. Freedom of speech. Christ, most of us learned that in middle school. Where the hell have you been? :roll: :lol: :lol: "
while you ar eprotecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens
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On 2006-06-07 14:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
while you ar eprotecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens"
From what? Some mean talk? :roll: But, considering the current administration that's not a bad question. :eek:
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On 2006-06-07 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
while you ar eprotecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens"
From what? Some mean talk? :roll: But, considering the current administration that's not a bad question. :eek: "
mean is subjective
the content posted in many of these threads is criminal
one of the previous posts is at the very least assaulting someone....
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On 2006-06-07 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
mean is subjective
the content posted in many of these threads is criminal
one of the previous posts is at the very least assaulting someone...."
Really now? Please, post the link. I'm dying to see this!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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while you are protecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens
Your MOTHER is!! :rofl: :rofl: :lol:
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On 2006-06-07 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"while you are protecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens
Your MOTHER is!! :rofl: :rofl: :lol:"
Now that one was mildly amusing. :lol:
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Thanks; I'll be entertaining here all week...
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On 2006-06-07 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
mean is subjective
the content posted in many of these threads is criminal
one of the previous posts is at the very least assaulting someone...."
Really now? Please, post the link. I'm dying to see this!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: "
Having trouble linking to one of those "criminal" posts? I'm just dying to see a post where someone assaulted someone else. Pretty please, post the link!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It was this one, I've cut and pasted it:
::bangin:: ::stab:: :skull:
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On 2006-06-08 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It was this one, I've cut and pasted it:
::bigsmilebounce:: ::bwahaha2:: ::cheers:: ::cheers:: ::cheers::
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Thanks, I'll be around all week... :grin:
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OH MY!! You all have been busy arguing the same point over and over. So, I'll throw my opinion in too!! Here it is: Parents are ultimately responsible for the content their children are allowed to view, whether it is a magazine, a book, a movie, a TV show or surfing the Internet. It is easier to blame the person selling the dirty magazine or producing the 'destructive' TV show, but in reality it isn't the responsibility of any one except for the parent. I am amazed that a parent would be more upset about a website message board not being regulated than having their child solicited. Why blame Smith and Wesson for those who die from gun shot wounds inflicted with their product? The analogy fits: guns are not the cause of the death, the person pulling the trigger is. So, your daughter, anon, was solicited by a sick person, not by Ginger at Fornits.
And by the way, check out any porn site on the web--most allow you to see their 'product' without providing real age verifing information. All you have to do is click the little box that says, 'Yes, I am 18 years old'. Honestly, your wasting your energy and time going after a site that is the epitomy of free speech. My right to say what I want, when I want is protected. Its your responsibility and right to protect your daughter without infringing on my rights or anyone elses who want to post here.
Why do you constantly ignore the obvious solution to your problem? Regulate what you allow her to view--but do not confuse that responsibility with my right to read, view, type anything I want.
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On 2006-06-07 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
while you ar eprotecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens"
From what? Some mean talk? :roll: But, considering the current administration that's not a bad question. :eek: "
mean is subjective
the content posted in many of these threads is criminal
one of the previous posts is at the very least assaulting someone...."
Are you one of those people who thought the lady DESERVED the 1.3 million for getting the hot coffee spilled on her at Mc D's?
dumbfuck
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On 2006-06-08 09:41:00, Carmel wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-07 14:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
while you ar eprotecting a nazi right to freedom,who is protecting the citizens"
From what? Some mean talk? :roll: But, considering the current administration that's not a bad question. :eek: "
mean is subjective
the content posted in many of these threads is criminal
one of the previous posts is at the very least assaulting someone...."
Are you one of those people who thought the lady DESERVED the 1.3 million for getting the hot coffee spilled on her at Mc D's?
dumbfuck"
Just an FYI on the above post...I left my browser open with this last post not submitted and my better half added in his two cents underneath it and sent it. Its not my way to name call, so I thought Id clear that up.
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And by the way, check out any porn site on the web--most allow you to see their 'product' without providing real age verifing information. All you have to do is click the little box that says, 'Yes, I am 18 years old'. Honestly, your wasting your energy and time going after a site that is the epitomy of free speech. My right to say what I want, when I want is protected. Its your responsibility and right to protect your daughter without infringing on my rights or anyone elses who want to post here.
Exactly! :tup:
F this jackass control freak...
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Yeah, what a "sick sick" person he or she must be.
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Let's also clear up the hot coffee thing since the insurance companies and media like to misrepresent the thing.
First, only collected 400K. Before you think that is too much, it equaled her medical bills. The original settlement was equal to three days sales of coffee. The jury found that fair.
I can understand about personal responsibility, but the coffee thing has more to it. MDs heats theirs to 160 degrees. DDs and SBs only heat to 140 and 150 respectively. It makes a big difference. At the lower temps you have several seconds to get the stuff off before you get a 3rd degree burn. At 160 you get an instant third degree burn.
There have been several cases against MDs for this. Some include children. They specifically try to attract children to the store. Just think about a child running around one of their indoor playgrounds and bumping off someone's coffee. There are kids that have been disfigured for life from this.
That may not change your mind, but I just wanted to play devil's advocate and get the full story out.
Insurance companies, which enjoy some of the highest profit margins in the world, like to say these lawsuits are the cause of high insurance costs. The fact is most of the high winners never collect anywhere near these jury awards. The amounts are reduced in appeals and post trial sessions with the judge and attorneys where a more reasonable amount is agreed to. The media does not report this. It doesn't sell papers, so to speak.
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Fuck mcdonalds I want my goddamn burgers before 1030!! :skull:
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On 2006-06-08 17:19:00, AtomicAnt wrote:
"Let's also clear up the hot coffee thing since the insurance companies and media like to misrepresent the thing.
First, only collected 400K. Before you think that is too much, it equaled her medical bills. The original settlement was equal to three days sales of coffee. The jury found that fair.
I can understand about personal responsibility, but the coffee thing has more to it. MDs heats theirs to 160 degrees. DDs and SBs only heat to 140 and 150 respectively. It makes a big difference. At the lower temps you have several seconds to get the stuff off before you get a 3rd degree burn. At 160 you get an instant third degree burn.
There have been several cases against MDs for this. Some include children. They specifically try to attract children to the store. Just think about a child running around one of their indoor playgrounds and bumping off someone's coffee. There are kids that have been disfigured for life from this.
That may not change your mind, but I just wanted to play devil's advocate and get the full story out.
Insurance companies, which enjoy some of the highest profit margins in the world, like to say these lawsuits are the cause of high insurance costs. The fact is most of the high winners never collect anywhere near these jury awards. The amounts are reduced in appeals and post trial sessions with the judge and attorneys where a more reasonable amount is agreed to. The media does not report this. It doesn't sell papers, so to speak."
Yeah, I used to think that lawsuit was ridiculous, too. But then my uncle, who is a lawyer, told me the details of the case, and how they just kind of shoved the coffee into her hand, instead of placing it on the counter for her to pick up. (Go to any coffee shop and they always put the coffee down for you, first.) Not only did she incur great bodily damage, it was damage to her genitals, since it spilled all over her crotch. She needed extensive vaginal reconstruction, and like AA said, the monetary award covered the medical costs only.
The only thing I was curious about was how come the person who handed her the coffee didn't get burned first?
Regardless, she definitely deserved to have her medical costs paid concerning that.
Seriously, I doubt the case would have come under as much scrutiny and ridicule if it had been a guy who had his dick horribly disfigured because of McDonalds coffee. Then everyone would have been clamoring for justice in that instance.
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Im not arguing the extenuating circumstances of the McDonalds case. I am trying to make a point of perceived self-responsibility.
You can call getting splashed with water by an oncoming car an "assault" I guess, too?
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Read over these postings. If YOU think it is so "sick sick" WHY don't you just NOT READ ON THIS FORUM, HUH? No one's forcing you to, you know? Go make produce your own that is HEALTHY HEALTHY HEALTHY!
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This site is a fucking joke plain and simple.
I've one thing to say to those who hide behind the "freedom of speach" act: Pull your heads from your asses and try to grasp that though you misinterpret the your freedoms as "rights", you have no "right" to intentionally offend anyone anonymously without being held accountable for it.
And another thing. Americans are fucking pigs. Youre a breed of selfish lazy bovine that deserve to lose every freedom it has because youre all too fucking worried about individual liberties instead of whats good for the group.
You allow your goverment to be controlled by corporate clout.
Your charitable contributions to the world are drawfed by those of nations with far less power and money. You allow your religious cults to ban condom distribution to african nations where 1 in 3 women are infected with HIV.
You allow corporate greed to farm out domestic labor to foriegn nations and exploit their poverty
only to make them completely reliant on the pennies a day they are paid.
You burn 35-40 million gallons of gasoline every single day and dont think twice about the fact that foriegn oil can and soon will cripple your nation and bring widespread famine to your country.
You allow your pharmiceutical companies to control the health and ultimately the population of the world.
What exactly is it about the "right" to say "fuck, shit piss cunt nigger jew" that you turds cling to so tightly?
To hell with TCs, your people have been brainwashed by your goverment and media and your own fucking greed.
You believe what you hear on TV and read in the newspapers.
While the US goverment and media claims Americans are victims of terrorism and injustice, the fact is, America victimizes the world in such a way that would have you all shit your fucking -Made in India- pants. America claims to be advocates of freedom and democracy, yet they will not encourage or defend it abroad unless theres something in it for them.
Use and abuse your freedom if speech, nobody is fucking listening anyway.
You fucking people are lost.
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Youre a breed of selfish lazy bovine that deserve to lose every freedom it has because youre all too fucking worried about individual liberties instead of whats good for the group.
So, what does this make you? Sheep? Fish?
I hear what you're saying about a lot of these issues, but are you so enmeshed in stereotyping that you can't see that many of us agree with your politics, but we have no venue or power?
Did you happen to notice that the last two presidential elections were stolen? We plebes have no power to confront this issue.
Anyway, settle down and make a sane point that doesn't stereotype (sort of closed-minded for an enlightened human being like yourself, isn't it?) and maybe people will listen. Then again, maybe they won't...
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To simply excersize the freedom to speak without actually having anything relevant or meaningful to say is not unlike wearing a condom to masturbate.
~Anon
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Your DAD wears a condom to masturbate. :wave:
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On 2006-06-09 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This site is a fucking joke plain and simple.
I've one thing to say to those who hide behind the "freedom of speach" act: Pull your heads from your asses and try to grasp that though you misinterpret the your freedoms as "rights", you have no "right" to intentionally offend anyone anonymously without being held accountable for it.
Yes I do. The Supreme Court has ruled multiple times that simply being offensive or offending someone is protected speech. You are a know-nothing. I have every 'right' to call you that. So there. Nah!
And another thing. Americans are fucking pigs. Youre a breed of selfish lazy bovine that deserve to lose every freedom it has because youre all too fucking worried about individual liberties instead of whats good for the group.
That's right. Fuck the group! Some of us are individualists.
You allow your goverment to be controlled by corporate clout.
Your charitable contributions to the world are drawfed by those of nations with far less power and money. You allow your religious cults to ban condom distribution to african nations where 1 in 3 women are infected with HIV.
You allow corporate greed to farm out domestic labor to foriegn nations and exploit their poverty
only to make them completely reliant on the pennies a day they are paid.
You burn 35-40 million gallons of gasoline every single day and dont think twice about the fact that foriegn oil can and soon will cripple your nation and bring widespread famine to your country.
You allow your pharmiceutical companies to control the health and ultimately the population of the world.
That's right. We are one bad ass Superpower! We rule the world. Seriously, you're right and it sucks. But hey, what can I do? as Emma Goldman once said, "You can vote, but you can't choose."
What exactly is it about the "right" to say "fuck, shit piss cunt nigger jew" that you turds cling to so tightly?
To hell with TCs, your people have been brainwashed by your goverment and media and your own fucking greed.
You believe what you hear on TV and read in the newspapers.
While the US goverment and media claims Americans are victims of terrorism and injustice, the fact is, America victimizes the world in such a way that would have you all shit your fucking -Made in India- pants. America claims to be advocates of freedom and democracy, yet they will not encourage or defend it abroad unless theres something in it for them.
Amen, brother. Instead, we should give all our power and wealth to every other country. It's what Jesus would have done.
Use and abuse your freedom if speech, nobody is fucking listening anyway.
Except you. You are listening or you would not be griping about it all.
You fucking people are lost.
Do we turn here, Tom Tom?
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Good thing the freedom of speech doesnt apply in a vacuum--its always applicable.
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On 2006-06-09 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
you have no "right" to intentionally offend anyone anonymously without being held accountable
Wanna bet? :lol: :lol:
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Wanna bet? :tup:
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Your mom wants to bet...
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My nigger would bet if I let him use the computer.
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You mom's nigger would bet if she let him use the computer.
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On 2006-06-11 08:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You mom's nigger would bet if she let him use the computer."
Your moms nigger would be your dad, who is also your brother.
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"...When compared with the suppression of anarchy every other question sinks into insignificance. The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind, and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchist opinions." Theodore Roosevelt, 1908
Teddy would have loved this site and its anarchists.
To say this site promotes a freedom that is endowed upon us for positive purpose in an effort to discover truth, is completely laughable.
An insult to those who concieved the idea, and to all who have defended its inception.
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On 2006-06-14 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
""...When compared with the suppression of anarchy every other question sinks into insignificance. The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind, and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchist opinions." Theodore Roosevelt, 1908
Teddy would have loved this site and its anarchists.
To say this site promotes a freedom that is endowed upon us for positive purpose in an effort to discover truth, is completely laughable.
An insult to those who concieved the idea, and to all who have defended its inception.
"
:tup:
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Quit "thumbs upping" your own fucking posts.
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On 2006-06-14 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
""...When compared with the suppression of anarchy every other question sinks into insignificance. The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind, and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchist opinions." Theodore Roosevelt, 1908
Teddy would have loved this site and its anarchists.
To say this site promotes a freedom that is endowed upon us for positive purpose in an effort to discover truth, is completely laughable.
An insult to those who concieved the idea, and to all who have defended its inception.
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One of the best ways to eliminate an enemy is to make them look ridiculous, or vilify them as being evil. That is what Teddy was doing. In 1908 there was an anarchist movement in this country. Look up Emma Goldman. Look up anarchy in Wikipedia.
The myth is that anarchists are violent and wish to violently overthrow the government. The truth is that anarchists believe that all forms of authoritarian hierarchy are inherently unjust. There are anarchists who are pacifists.
Governments have to be against anarchy for the simple fact that the anarchist does not believe in legitimate authority. What gives any person, or group of people the 'right' to tell another person or group of people what to do? Nothing. It boils down to force. Even in a democracy,
"... a slave to the majority is still a slave."
- Max Stirner
With that philosophy, anarchist thinking is the greatest danger to government, authority, and repression. Since there is no logical refutation, governments have no choice to but to fight these ideas by banning books (like Max Stirner's) and calling anarchists "the enemy of all mankind." In other words, they resort to using fear and propaganda.[ This Message was edited by: AtomicAnt on 2006-06-14 19:53 ]
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On 2006-06-14 17:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-14 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
""...When compared with the suppression of anarchy every other question sinks into insignificance. The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind, and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchist opinions." Theodore Roosevelt, 1908
Teddy would have loved this site and its anarchists.
To say this site promotes a freedom that is endowed upon us for positive purpose in an effort to discover truth, is completely laughable.
An insult to those who concieved the idea, and to all who have defended its inception.
"
:tup: "
quoting a president to rail against the first ammendment protection of free-speech... who are you going to quote next, ashcroft or gonzalez? you make me laugh. you should be counting your blessings, its only a matter of time until the constitutional is fully destroyed and you can thank your diety for saving you.
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i should add... at the behest of ignorami and cowards such as yourself.
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Count his blessings?
His blessings are hard earned mutherfucker.
18 years active duty US Navy protecting freedom.
MBA/MPP: public policy
Masters: physics
Doctorate: psychology
Tell me asswad: Other than run your mouth displaying your so called freedom to use it...what do YOU do to protect that freedom?
My guess is, you think.
Thats it.
You THINK you have a right to be heard.
And you THINK someone is listening.
Your idea that the freedom of speech is threatened is nullified by vocalizing it.
Shut the fuck up and THINK of something worthy to say.
The site has been the subject of recent lectures (2) after being brought to my attention at the University I attend.
Our reluctant professor was forced to post the dialogue you rected to with such class and tact.
Not often someone with intellectual capacity force feeds an audience the load of shit you just dolled out.
Thanks for the laughs. The sites obscure and rediculous dialogue is somewhat enjoyable, yet in an odd way, heartbreaking to witness.
Im glad youre all anon. I'd hate to experiene the feeling of knowing someone aboard this sinking ship of fools.
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On 2006-06-14 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Count his blessings?
His blessings are hard earned mutherfucker.
18 years active duty US Navy protecting freedom.
MBA/MPP: public policy
Masters: physics
Doctorate: psychology
Tell me asswad: Other than run your mouth displaying your so called freedom to use it...what do YOU do to protect that freedom?
My guess is, you think.
Thats it.
You THINK you have a right to be heard.
And you THINK someone is listening.
Your idea that the freedom of speech is threatened is nullified by vocalizing it.
Shut the fuck up and THINK of something worthy to say.
The site has been the subject of recent lectures (2) after being brought to my attention at the University I attend.
Our reluctant professor was forced to post the dialogue you rected to with such class and tact.
Not often someone with intellectual capacity force feeds an audience the load of shit you just dolled out.
Thanks for the laughs. The sites obscure and rediculous dialogue is somewhat enjoyable, yet in an odd way, heartbreaking to witness.
Im glad youre all anon. I'd hate to experiene the feeling of knowing someone aboard this sinking ship of fools.
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And the meek shall inherit the earth.....god bless the little people!
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On 2006-06-14 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Count his blessings?
His blessings are hard earned mutherfucker.
18 years active duty US Navy protecting freedom.
MBA/MPP: public policy
Masters: physics
Doctorate: psychology
Tell me asswad: Other than run your mouth displaying your so called freedom to use it...what do YOU do to protect that freedom?
My guess is, you think.
Thats it.
You THINK you have a right to be heard.
And you THINK someone is listening.
Your idea that the freedom of speech is threatened is nullified by vocalizing it.
Shut the fuck up and THINK of something worthy to say.
The site has been the subject of recent lectures (2) after being brought to my attention at the University I attend.
Our reluctant professor was forced to post the dialogue you rected to with such class and tact.
Not often someone with intellectual capacity force feeds an audience the load of shit you just dolled out.
Thanks for the laughs. The sites obscure and rediculous dialogue is somewhat enjoyable, yet in an odd way, heartbreaking to witness.
Im glad youre all anon. I'd hate to experiene the feeling of knowing someone aboard this sinking ship of fools.
"
:tup:
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quoting a president to rail against the first ammendment protection of free-speech... who are you going to quote next, ashcroft or gonzalez? you make me laugh. you should be counting your blessings, its only a matter of time until the constitutional is fully destroyed and you can thank your diety for saving you."
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So .. this forum is a polital thing for you? Are you running for office Ginger? Continuing to trample others rights for the sake of protecting criminals.. Thats just like the very administration you "rail" against.
you are really facinating.
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And you are an idiot.
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I am confused, angry anon, did your professor (or was it you?) post a comment reluctantly so he could get a reaction? Are you trolling to start an argument and get upset when it happens?
And, by the way, serving as an active duty soilder for 18 years is a choice. Simply because others do not sign up for the military does not indicate a lack of patriotism or a lack of want to protect our freedoms. I come from a long line of military men and women. I did not join-does that make me a civilian coward in your book? Does it make you angry that I and other outspoken people question your (or your professors?) employer (i.e., government)? I hope it does---then I know that my freedom of speech and self expression is still fully functional and there isnt a damn thing anyone can do to take it away from me. :grin:
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On 2006-06-15 09:16:00, StellerJay wrote:
"I am confused, angry anon, did your professor (or was it you?) post a comment reluctantly so he could get a reaction? Are you trolling to start an argument and get upset when it happens?
And, by the way, serving as an active duty soilder for 18 years is a choice. Simply because others do not sign up for the military does not indicate a lack of patriotism or a lack of want to protect our freedoms. I come from a long line of military men and women. I did not join-does that make me a civilian coward in your book? Does it make you angry that I and other outspoken people question your (or your professors?) employer (i.e., government)? I hope it does---then I know that my freedom of speech and self expression is still fully functional and there isnt a damn thing anyone can do to take it away from me. :grin: "
I hardly see where that was the op point
now your just making shit up
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you bore me *yawn* ::ribbon::
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On 2006-06-15 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
Continuing to trample others rights for the sake of protecting criminals..
Who's rights is she supposedly tampling on? My god, get a fucking grip. This is a free society (well, for the moment). You don't have a "right" to be "protected" from things you find offensive. Don't like it? Get the fuck out.
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Is there any form of public forum where profanity, threats, insults, pornographic dialogue and occasional explicit photos are an accepted form of addressing an audience?
(Other than this pathetic farce?)
I am not offended by anything that is said here.
I am offended that people actually think any of it is taken seriously, or with any level of humor.
Never underestimate the power of supid people in large groups.
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On 2006-06-15 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is there any form of public forum where profanity, threats, insults, pornographic dialogue and occasional explicit photos are an accepted form of addressing an audience?
Yahoo discussion forums come to mind right off the top. And guess what? You can actually change the channel if you don't like what you see! :wave: Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
--Jorge G. Castaneda, Newsweek International, September 6, 1999
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Try attending your local rock concert......or how about switching on VH1 and watching the latest Hip-Hop video?
All I am sayin here is that if you have such a distaste for what is going on here in the forum.....then dont read or reply to it. This forum isnt a headline on CNN.com, if you want to be up in arms about obscenity.....take it to the real battle grounds man, the ones plastered all up in our faces 24 hours a day. It seems to me that a person of your obvious, self-perceived prominence would know better than to waste their time in the side skirmish.
You obviously ARE offended by what is said here, because you prefaced your post with a marked distaste for forms of expression that you find to be a "farce". You have just as much right to hate it as anyone eles does to love it, however.
Taken seriously? I'd like to quote Mulder here and say that "the truth is out there"......those who need to take it seriously will, and most probably will be intelligent and sensitive enough to see past the foul agression sometimes posted here. Apparently for all of your educated prowess, you very simply do not posses these qualities.....either that, or youre just trying to stir up trouble. It really makes no difference whether or not we think we should be taken seriously by someone who has an axe to grind from the outset, namely someone like you.
We are all capable of handling this is a more amenable manner. Why should anyone be required to alter the forum based on a singular opinion? Its not fair.
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On 2006-06-15 10:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
" This is a free society "
where do you live ??
Spiritual Anarchy. All governments oppress and are inherently unjust, and people are endowed with free will, so it is what we make it. If peopole would simply learn to see the value of freedom they would not commit crimes against one another. Using each other as tools to further their own agendas is an injustice anbd creates a pretext for dictators to establish authority. People are not tools to be used like a hammer or a t.v. or a chemical. People are not a means to some end. This is not a free society. That is propaganda designed to pacify your mind. Capitalism, at least in the modern western, and especially the in the modern American form is all about toolin the people out. The government is supoposed to serve the people but our governmenrt simply serves itself. Even the idea of government seems flawed to me. Anarchy but with spiritual influences would be nice. People could relate to one another without the fear of annihilation. There would be no huge institutions to oppress and exploit you. Now maybe sometimes some individual would come along and try to exploit and oppress you but you would just have to know how to calmly and disarmingly send him off. And if violence was necessary so be it but at least there wouldn't be these huge international conflicts. I mean in the name of peace and prosperity I offer spititual anarchy. All government is anyway is an institution charged with trying to make up for the fact thatb people arfe not just to one another in the first place. If people would simply be just to one another in all their dealings and relationships then government would become obsolete.
Anarchy is not criminal, it is simply being responsible for yourself without the aid of government and social institutions. I'm all for true social independence. I don't practice Anarchy all the time but it is a part of a philosophy which also includes some capitalism and some socialism too. Anarchy and Lenin style Communism have both been villified in the west because the west is more concerned with maintaining their citizens as tools than setting their people free. Anyone who was in one of these abusive treatment centers would see that pretty easily, it seems to me.
Spiritual Anarchy!
::dove::
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Uhmm, Opie?
Ooops, I mean Odie.
I think the point is, the internet is likely the only place you can call someones mother a cunt, or threaten someone, or verbally assualt them without either bein removed from the "public forum"...
Or simply punched in the face, stabbed in the back, or kicked in the head. Or maybe arrested?
I think many of the things said in here (fornits) qualifies for the above reaction.
The most profound and agreeable point made in this entire thread seems to be that if you wouldnt say it to someones face, dont be a stinking coward and say it here.
I dont hapen to think the freedom of speech applies to the internet. Theres no way to hold someone accountable for what they type.
Keyword: type.
Theres no actual "speaking" going on...just a lot of mindlessly stroked keys.
Telling someone "if they dont like it dont read it" is suggesting censorship isnt it?
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< If people would simply be just to one another in all their dealings and relationships then government would become obsolete.
When, in the history of the human race, have people simply been just to one another in all their dealings and relationships????? :???: :???:
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I think the point is, the internet is likely the only place you can call someones mother a cunt, or threaten someone, or verbally assualt them without either bein removed from the "public forum"...
Or simply punched in the face, stabbed in the back, or kicked in the head. Or maybe arrested?
I think many of the things said in here (fornits) qualifies for the above reaction
I think times are a changing,and ultimately it will be Fornits itself held accountable for their own content
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On 2006-06-15 16:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think the point is, the internet is likely the only place you can call someones mother a cunt, or threaten someone, or verbally assualt them without either bein removed from the "public forum"...
Or simply punched in the face, stabbed in the back, or kicked in the head. Or maybe arrested?
I think many of the things said in here (fornits) qualifies for the above reaction
I think times are a changing,and ultimately it will be Fornits itself held accountable for their own content"
Fornits will be arrested because posters are rude?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-06-14 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Count his blessings?
The site has been the subject of recent lectures (2) after being brought to my attention at the University I attend.
Our reluctant professor was forced to post the dialogue you rected to with such class and tact.
Not often someone with intellectual capacity force feeds an audience the load of shit you just dolled out.
Forced? Doesn't your idiot professor know he can exercise his right not to speak? No one forced him to talk about Fornit's. No one forced you to listen.
If you don't like it, go away.
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On 2006-06-16 07:52:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
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:tup:
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On 2006-06-15 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-15 16:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think the point is, the internet is likely the only place you can call someones mother a cunt, or threaten someone, or verbally assualt them without either bein removed from the "public forum"...
Or simply punched in the face, stabbed in the back, or kicked in the head. Or maybe arrested?
I think many of the things said in here (fornits) qualifies for the above reaction
I think times are a changing,and ultimately it will be Fornits itself held accountable for their own content"
Fornits will be arrested because posters are rude?
::boycott:: ::boycott:: ::boycott::
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I think times are a changing,and ultimately it will be Fornits itself held accountable for their own content"
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the op said nothing about being arrested,cops,whatever
thats what makes this the most insane place I have ever known
Make a statement,wait a few days to see how its twisted into something else,then watch others argue about it
you people are whackeed
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On 2006-06-17 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
the op said nothing about being arrested,cops,whatever
thats what makes this the most insane place I have ever known
Make a statement,wait a few days to see how its twisted into something else,then watch others argue about it
you people are whackeed"
First, go back and read some of the OPs posts. They most certainly do talk about this site being "against the law" etc.
Second, if you're going to use the quote feature please learn how to do it properly.
Third, it is the responsibility of the parents of kids, not the admin of this site, to monitor your childs activities on the internet. According to your logic anything you deem offensive or harmful to kids is illegal. Get a fucking grip on reality.
Fourth, I'm still waiting to see ANY evidence of this supposed pedophile that supposedly contacted a kid thru this site. I won't be holding my breath though as it's all bullshit.
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On 2006-06-17 06:10:00, artman11111 wrote:
"Second, if you're going to use the quote feature please learn how to do it properly
Who really gives a rats ass whether its proper or not... Can you not read whats written ?
Here's a news flash.. Everything written is not about you AND I am guessin nobody fucking cares about your prim and propper,gramatically correct way to adress this cesspool full of selfish,self centered,trolls. Its because of your inability to post anything of value,that this is what it is..
Outa here,too nice outside. Never argue with an idiot,those watching may not be able to tell one from another! :wave: "
:tup: :tup: :tup: well said!!!!
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On 2006-06-15 16:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think the point is, the internet is likely the only place you can call someones mother a cunt, or threaten someone, or verbally assualt them without either bein removed from the "public forum"...
Or simply punched in the face, stabbed in the back, or kicked in the head. Or maybe arrested?
I think many of the things said in here (fornits) qualifies for the above reaction
I think times are a changing,and ultimately it will be Fornits itself held accountable for their own content"
Your mother is a fucking cunt and I hope a homeless crackhead punches her face in
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Your mother is a fucking cunt and I hope a homeless crackhead punches her face in
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:tup:
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On 2006-06-18 00:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Your mother is a fucking cunt and I hope a homeless crackhead punches her face in
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:tup: "
The expected,attention seeking answer
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On 2006-06-18 06:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
The expected,attention seeking answer"
Yes, he's trying to draw your attention to the fact that you can write or say pretty much whatever you want. FREEDOM OF SPEECH BABY!
You keep talking as if someone will be arrested for posting these things you find so loathsome. He's just calling your bluff ya fuckin dolt. :roll: :lol:
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Anon, here's a little wisdom for ya.
Never divulge your weakness to your foe. There seems to be some powerful force in the universe that will drive them to relentlessly pick at that weakness, until you run like hell, or get over it.
Who knows, in the end, someone who appears to be your worst foe may actually be your best ally.
This could be why it was so difficult for you to parent your child. Kids are masters at it!!! And you don't even have to tell them what your weakness is.
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On 2006-06-19 21:33:00, Deborah wrote:
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Anon, here's a little wisdom for ya.
Never divulge your weakness to your foe. There seems to be some powerful force in the universe that will drive them to relentlessly pick at that weakness, until you run like hell, or get over it.
Who knows, in the end, someone who appears to be your worst foe may actually be your best ally.
This could be why it was so difficult for you to parent your child. Kids are masters at it!!! And you don't even have to tell them what your weakness is. "
How'd you get so retarded?
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On 2006-06-19 22:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
How'd you get so retarded?"
What's so difficult to grasp? :roll:
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What's so difficult to grasp? :roll: "
My humonsterous penis.
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On 2006-06-19 23:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
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What's so difficult to grasp? :roll: "
My humonsterous penis."
Touche. :lol: