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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 21, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
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http://caica.org/Children%20are%20Crying.mp3.mp3 (http://caica.org/Children%20are%20Crying.mp3.mp3)
Comments? I presume the parents of the dead children gave their permission to Isabelle to tell their child's personal story in such a dramatic, some might even say, exploitive way?
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thanks for the link. it was great.
i didn't hear the name of one child.
appears that the point is to show how the programs abuse kids, and did a fine job. unless you follow the industry very closely, those stories could be any kid's story for that matter.
speaking of drama and expoting- just how many threads do I want you to create on this topic? can't you post in one of the dozen or more others you created?
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Pass the pepto bismo - the song made me wanna gag knowing these children are dead and someone thinks they have the right to put words into their mouths to promote their personal crusade to end institutionalized abuse?
It just never ceases to amaze me how far some people will go. There are other ways to get your point across but that would require some common sense, if not sensitivity to the rights of victims not to be exploited to further someone's "cause".
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Wow, thanks for the link. I thought that song was AWESOME! It's great that people can express themselves in different ways. As far as what you say about exploitation, I don't see that at all. I don't understand why you said that. I think this song was great, thank you for posting this link.
I think locking up teens for no reason is exploitative. This is kids who were harmed expressing themselves in a healthy and, in my opinion, quite beautiful way.
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On 2006-05-21 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Pass the pepto bismo - the song made me wanna gag knowing these children are dead and someone thinks they have the right to put words into their mouths to promote their personal crusade to end institutionalized abuse?
It just never ceases to amaze me how far some people will go. There are other ways to get your point across but that would require some common sense, if not sensitivity to the rights of victims not to be exploited to further someone's "cause".
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why don't you pull the burr out of your butt and get over it.
it was a very nice tribute.
you can't see that due to your own personal crusade.
what are you doing to end institutionalized abuse? put your name out there for scrutiny.
surely if a parent is offended they will contact CAICA and address it with IZ.
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On 2006-05-21 20:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-21 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Pass the pepto bismo - the song made me wanna gag knowing these children are dead and someone thinks they have the right to put words into their mouths to promote their personal crusade to end institutionalized abuse?
It just never ceases to amaze me how far some people will go. There are other ways to get your point across but that would require some common sense, if not sensitivity to the rights of victims not to be exploited to further someone's "cause".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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what are YOU doing?
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On 2006-05-22 04:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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what are YOU doing?"
I think the the question is:
WHAT is ISABELLE doing?
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I thought the song was great. :smile:
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On 2006-05-23 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-22 04:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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what are YOU doing?"
I think the the question is:
WHAT is ISABELLE doing?"
Nope. The questions is, what are YOU doing?
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Nope. The questions is, what are YOU doing?"
No its not, what are YOU doing
again I ask, what is actually BEING DONE?
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Um... maybe I'm missing something, but I don't exactly understand how anyone here can take offence to that song.
The song is pretty awful; pretty much nil artistic merit. The singing generally sucks, the children's voices are nothing but trite. Etc, etc. However, the general message behind the song is pretty clear: start paying attention to children dying in residential treatment centres.
So... what's the problem?
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think the poem/song is a bit over the top by putting words into the mouths of children dying in a program. did izzy ask the kids's parents permission to write about their kids?
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Why is IZZY a schmuck? Did they work for a program and hit kids o r something?
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Now IZZY is a "THEY?"
That's sort of funny if you really think about it?
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On 2006-05-26 10:11:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Holy jesus are you like daft?
Go look over her long track record of playing second base for Sue Scheff's team.
Calling her a schmuck is to generous.
All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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No, just not in the loop of these things obviously. Some links would be helpful.
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get a life alredy - who cares no matter waht someone does its not good enuf for ppl here
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Well, you sure helped a lot with all that 2nd grade spelling, and the invitation to "get a life." Thanks, so much.
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WTF? CAICA investigates programs and REFER kids who have been abused and their parents ripped off to LAWYERS? How about not worrying about the parents who don't need to be a lawyer to figure out it's risky business sending their kid to a program?
Better yet, why don't you help a KID to SUE their parent or the damn referral agency who recommended the program to THEIR PARENT? Now THAT would make a hella lot more sense seeing as it's the KID who paid the biggest price for being placed in an unhealthy, unsafe program -- not their parents. All it cost them was money.
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Now, now, not all parents are stupid. Some just actually believe this crap and it has nothing to do with being sold a pig in a poke. They just believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear. If they actually went to these hellholes, saw the real deal, who knows if they would back out? Problem is, they rarely do check them out. They just ship em off and wait to get all upset and outraged when the kid comes home reporting how they were abused for the past year or so.
But yeah, more kids should sue the referral agencies who prey on the parents who sign their kids over to programs. Being stupid isn't a defense. Kids don't get a second chance, why should their parents?
Don't send your kid away if you don't wanna take a chance of paying for their maltreatment.
Kind of simple, ain't it?
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Now why can't CAICA understand that concept? She does say she is a child advocate, right?
JUST tell parents: DON'T send your kids to a program, PERIOD.
But, her friends that refer kids to programs, might not like her anymore, then--would they?
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Opps you all forgot the part that CAICA investigates programs approved for investigation by Sue herself.
-Deep Throat
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Okay, I finally had a chance to have a listen. I'm not a critic, and certainly couldn't do better myself. It's pretty drawn out and overdone in the testimonial department, IMHO.
If a current, well-known singer (and no, not Britney or her pop-tart contemporaries) releases a song about this industry, would we not applaud it?
I would love to see 60's protest songwriter write a great song about this plague. Sadly though, I just read that Joan Baez is currently busy sitting in a tree for farmer awareness. Where's Dylan when you need him? Suicide bombings are faith based initiatives.
--Bill Maher
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Dylan just signed a contract to be a DJ on satellite radio. I think he is with the same outfit that Stern went to. The times they are a changin'.