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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 19, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
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what does All Inclusive tuition really mean?
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with repsect to HLA, it means "look out!"
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HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Very well put.
Another meaning might be;
"Get the lube bitch cause I'm coming in!"
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They supply the sunscreen and the icy cold towels in the afternoon heat.
:evil:
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BOHICA!
(Bend over, here it comes again!)
:evil:
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are other parents concerned about this as it appears to be untrue statement?
should I point this out on the bill I just received?
and if so to whom should I address this?
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Probably Director of Operations, if there is one.. The CFO if there is one..Corky Prow(accounting), but she will have to get back to you...in other words, it is a wasted breath...
fraud, misrepresentation on their part..But, what else is new..?
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The parents left from a certain peer group are so wealthy that they could care less what is going on there..sad..they are just happy they don't have to deal with their child at home.Then there are those Ed. Con kids that are on full
scholarship, so they can afford the round trip
fare, if they even have to pay for that..I doubt it..At 72,000. a year plus, maybe Bucci and Spooney should take less trips to Europe on HLA..think about what you are really paying for.No RN, no "all" licensed counselors, no
"all" state certified teachers, a joke of SACS Accrediatation, no chemistry or bio lab,a lame lamb of an ORS that refuses to step up...check out their fire safety...the list goes on..
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Due to the fact that HLA will not provide financials for the two major companies that provide loans for kids to attend HLA, those companies (PrepGate and Achiever Loan) reportedly will cease making loans for HLA attendance.
Just another example of the kids suffering for the shortcomings of HLA's management.
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On 2006-05-22 07:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Due to the fact that HLA will not provide financials for the two major companies that provide loans for kids to attend HLA, those companies (PrepGate and Achiever Loan) reportedly will cease making loans for HLA attendance.
Just another example of the kids suffering for the shortcomings of HLA's management.
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How did you find that out?
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At least be original with your humor, rather, your attempt at it.
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Let us enlighten you on why HLA is still allowed to operate....in theory only...
1. MONEY
2. Politics
3. ORS no spine paper pushers
4. SACS good ole boys club
5. Parents that feel they have no options
6. Staff code of silence fear
7. IRS stumped
8. MHDD slow to move
9. GAO slow to move
10. Connections
11. Apparent settlements to silence
12. Insistance that "therapeutic" is a marketing
term only..
13. Would anyone care to add to the list?
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***Insistance that "therapeutic" is a marketing
term only..
Interesting.
Should Lon Woodbury and others remove "therapeutic" from HLAs ads?
How will parents know this? I never saw it stated anywhere in the literature.
Isn't that considered fraud?
Or do they really provide therapy for a multitude of dxs and just deceive (lie to) the regulatory agency?
Would that mean that parents are fraudulent in billing insurance and accepting school district funds? Or are they innocent in the matter because they were sold a "therapeutic" program?
And what about the IRS, all those deductions for traveling to visit a "disabled" child?
HLA troll, do you have a response?
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My response is that you are full of shit, Deborah.
As if anyone would believe anything posted about HLA on this site.
Of course therapy is provided. If counselors are on-site and therapy is occurring, therapy is being provided. I have no concern about their marketing. I have no opinion on HLA one way or another since I don't know anything about it from firsthand experience. Sort of like most of you- the ones who have experience don't have recent experience.
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Well, thanks for sharing... but the questions were for the HLA troll.
Based on your comment, I feel certain that you don't understand the issue being discussed.
This says it all, "I have no opinion on HLA one way or another since I don't know anything about it from firsthand experience."
Well, there ya go... but anyone else who does is full of shit. Best argument I've heard today.
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Yes counselors are on site...in-experienced counselors with no license according to staff and the State of Georgia. The only person who was licensed by the State of Georgia was Chris Allen and he is gone.
They are counseling without State licensure..period..they are not a "therapeutic "
boarding school according to the ORS and their attorneys "Quirk and Quirk", who may I add, are the entity that states "therapeutic" term is only for marketing purposes..
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On 2006-05-27 11:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My response is that you are full of shit, Deborah.
As if anyone would believe anything posted about HLA on this site.
Of course therapy is provided. If counselors are on-site and therapy is occurring, therapy is being provided. I have no concern about their marketing. I have no opinion on HLA one way or another since I don't know anything about it from firsthand experience. Sort of like most of you- the ones who have experience don't have recent experience."
If you know nothing about HLA, and have no first hand experience why are you here? Why even try and discount our experiences?
Are you hoping for the chance to become a lapdog?
Or are you really just that dumb?
Im thinking a little of both, obviously you have an agenda for being here, but at the same time its obvious you can barely read.
1. You dont know who most of us are. Since you dont know who we are how can you know when our experiences took place? Furthermore how much difference would it make either way?
2. No one is questioning that therapy goes on there, we are just postulating that "bad therapy" goes on there. Bad therapy by unliscensed quacks some of who are sadist.
3. Are you really going to claim that HLA is a traditional boarding school that only markets as a theraputic one? Anyone who has ever set foot in HLA knows that isnt the case.
Oh wait....you never have.
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On 2006-05-27 06:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-22 07:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Due to the fact that HLA will not provide financials for the two major companies that provide loans for kids to attend HLA, those companies (PrepGate and Achiever Loan) reportedly will cease making loans for HLA attendance.
Just another example of the kids suffering for the shortcomings of HLA's management.
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How did you find that out?"
I was told by an employee. I think maybe I'll give it a few weeks to see what happens and then check directly with the lenders. If I don't get back to you in a timely fashion, just remind me via PM or check for yourself and report the results.
When I was told this it didn't surprise me because there was an investigator who was looking into the same issue for another lender several months ago.
But let's check and verify because this was a "single source" piece of information.
And to my personal troll: You're a loooong way from Wilkes-Barre aren't you? How sad that you find time to troll when you could be exploring the beautiful bay area. You should get out more often.
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On 2006-05-27 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes counselors are on site...in-experienced counselors with no license according to staff and the State of Georgia. The only person who was licensed by the State of Georgia was Chris Allen and he is gone.
They are counseling without State licensure..period..they are not a "therapeutic "
boarding school according to the ORS and their attorneys "Quirk and Quirk", who may I add, are the entity that states "therapeutic" term is only for marketing purposes.."
School welcomes new faculty and staff members
6/1/2006 10:19:00 AM, Lakeside Lines
Darlington School announces the following faculty and staff changes and additions for the 2006-07 school year:
Chris Allen has been named Upper School counselor. He holds a Bachelor of Arts from Carson-Newman College and a Master of Arts from the Georgia School of Professional Psychology (later renamed Argosy University) in Atlanta. Most recently, Allen was associate director of counseling at Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega, Ga.
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On 2006-06-05 11:59:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-05-27 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes counselors are on site...in-experienced counselors with no license according to staff and the State of Georgia. The only person who was licensed by the State of Georgia was Chris Allen and he is gone.
They are counseling without State licensure..period..they are not a "therapeutic "
boarding school according to the ORS and their attorneys "Quirk and Quirk", who may I add, are the entity that states "therapeutic" term is only for marketing purposes.."
School welcomes new faculty and staff members
6/1/2006 10:19:00 AM, Lakeside Lines
Darlington School announces the following faculty and staff changes and additions for the 2006-07 school year:
Chris Allen has been named Upper School counselor. He holds a Bachelor of Arts from Carson-Newman College and a Master of Arts from the Georgia School of Professional Psychology (later renamed Argosy University) in Atlanta. Most recently, Allen was associate director of counseling at Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega, Ga.
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Looks like The Darlington School is getting TWO good ones from Hidden Lake Academy...
Melissa Robinson has been named Middle School counselor. She holds a Bachelor of Arts from Berry College and a Master of Education from the University of Georgia. Most recently, she was a peer group counselor at Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega, Ga.
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CindyLouWho there are still some questions on here for you.
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It no longer includes necessary equipment for kids while at Ridge Creek.
Parents are now billed around $900 for the equipment, even though
parents have been led to believe that tution is transferrable to Ridge
Creek. Given that the kids who go to Ridge Creek from HLA go at the
recommendation of their counselor(s) parents are being soaked from
both ends. I know for a fact that kids are most often issued
used equipment. Even if they were given all new stuff, I find it difficult
to believe that boots and a sleeping bag cost $900. My son was issued
boots from Wal-mart which cost $40.00 at most. He wanted to wear his
own good boots but was not allowed to; this probably contributed to
the severity of his blisters.
How many more ways can they think of to nickel and dime parents?
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Parents are now being charged almost $100 in transportation fees to have their child taken to doctor visits because none of the doctors will come to the campus. Oh, and that $100 is per student - doesn't matter how many children are being taken to the doctor.
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The fee per month is $5,950.
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Parents are now being charged almost $100 in transportation fees to have their child taken to doctor visits because none of the doctors will come to the campus. Oh, and that $100 is per student - doesn't matter how many children are being taken to the doctor.
Why won't doctors come to campus? Is this exorbitant fee designed to discourage doctor visits?
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Parents are now being charged almost $100 in transportation fees to have their child taken to doctor visits because none of the doctors will come to the campus. Oh, and that $100 is per student - doesn't matter how many children are being taken to the doctor.
Why won't doctors come to campus? Is this exorbitant fee designed to discourage doctor visits?
We can't seem to get a straight answer on that one.....
The transportation fee just makes HLA money. Normally at least 4 to 6 students at a time are taken to the doctor. Each student is billed for the transportation fee - it's not pro-rated among the students going to the same doctor. When asked why it's not pro-rated the response was, "That's the policy."
4 to 6 students going to the doctor adds up to $400 - $600 in transportation fees. That fee doesn't include the charge for the doctor's visit. I guess they've discovered the proverbial "Cash Cow".
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I know from experience that when you are told "That's the policy" at Hidden Lake what the person is really saying is...
"I know this policy makes absolutely no sense what so ever, but this is how Len Buccellato wants it done and it is his school so there is nothing I can do about it"
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Parents are now being charged almost $100 in transportation fees to have their child taken to doctor visits because none of the doctors will come to the campus. Oh, and that $100 is per student - doesn't matter how many children are being taken to the doctor.
Why won't doctors come to campus? Is this exorbitant fee designed to discourage doctor visits?
We can't seem to get a straight answer on that one.....
The transportation fee just makes HLA money. Normally at least 4 to 6 students at a time are taken to the doctor. Each student is billed for the transportation fee - it's not pro-rated among the students going to the same doctor. When asked why it's not pro-rated the response was, "That's the policy."
4 to 6 students going to the doctor adds up to $400 - $600 in transportation fees. That fee doesn't include the charge for the doctor's visit. I guess they've discovered the proverbial "Cash Cow".
I think you hit this one on the head with the "cash cow" analysis.
HLA is looking to make money wherever they can (as well as save it). They do this by laying off their staff (about 30% this year by most accounts), discontinuing health insurance for staff, eliminating overtime and charging extra (raising tuition and not providing "all inclusive" pricing anymore) for everything.
Look, what's the one thing that no sane parent is going to refuse to pay for? You got it, a doctor visit for a "sick" kid. Before, when HLA was not profiting from medical treatment kids were routinely denied medical care. Now that HLA is making several hundred dollars profit on every trip to the doctor, kids are being shuttled back and forth almost every day.
When HLA wasn't getting paid, kids were "manipulating." Now that HLA is handsomley profiting from doctor's visits kids are "really sick" and not "manipulating." :roll:
HLA is a shameless operation designed for one solitary purpose: to enrich its owner. If you can't see this, then you might as well beat your head against a rock because you're already brain-dead.
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="hla mom"]It no longer includes necessary equipment for kids while at Ridge Creek.
Parents are now billed around $900 for the equipment, even though
parents have been led to believe that tution is transferrable to Ridge
Creek. Given that the kids who go to Ridge Creek from HLA go at the
recommendation of their counselor(s) parents are being soaked from
both ends. I know for a fact that kids are most often issued
used equipment. Even if they were given all new stuff, I find it difficult
to believe that boots and a sleeping bag cost $900. My son was issuedboots from Wal-mart which cost $40.00 at most. He wanted to wear his
own good boots but was not allowed to; this probably contributed to
the severity of his blisters.
How many more ways can they think of to nickel and dime parents?
the entry unifrom fee of 1400 that was to cover new uniforms that cost about 350 tops nad the rest for equipment wildernsss items, that means hla is making 400% profit on uniforms and now charging ridge creek 900 fee for stuff that i bet costs 250 wow another 350% profit
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This is no surprise to me. Profit first, health, safety and welfare whenever, if ever.
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It no longer includes necessary equipment for kids while at Ridge Creek.
Parents are now billed around $900 for the equipment, even though
parents have been led to believe that tution is transferrable to Ridge
Creek. Given that the kids who go to Ridge Creek from HLA go at the
recommendation of their counselor(s) parents are being soaked from
both ends. I know for a fact that kids are most often issued
used equipment. Even if they were given all new stuff, I find it difficult
to believe that boots and a sleeping bag cost $900. My son was issuedboots from Wal-mart which cost $40.00 at most. He wanted to wear his
own good boots but was not allowed to; this probably contributed to
the severity of his blisters.
How many more ways can they think of to nickel and dime parents?[/quote
the entry unifrom fee of 1400 that was to cover new uniforms that cost about 350 tops nad the rest for equipment wildernsss items, that means hla is making 400% profit on uniforms and now charging ridge creek 900 fee for stuff that i bet costs 250 wow another 350% profit
Is the $1400 uniform fee supposed to cover the costs of uniforms for the entire program? I thought it was, but I guess I'm wrong. I received a re-order form for pants and shirts - and I'm getting charged more $$$$.
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Is the $1400 uniform fee supposed to cover the costs of uniforms for the entire program? I thought it was, but I guess I'm wrong. I received a re-order form for pants and shirts - and I'm getting charged more $$$$.
still haven't figured it out yet, huh? GO GET YOUR KID and get him/her some real help.
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still haven't figured it out yet, huh? GO GET YOUR KID and get yourself some real help.
Fixed.
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still haven't figured it out yet, huh? GO GET YOUR KID and get yourself some real help.
Fixed.
I'm actually trying to figure it out and that's why I'm asking the questions. I'm not flying off the handle like some raving lunatic. My decisions have to be based off of accurate information - not a bunch of emotional rantings.
If you really care about the students, then post factual and legitimate information that parents can use to make informed decisions. Nasty comments directed at me (or others) don't add to your credence and certainly aren't helpful.
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The idea that costs are all inclusive is simply a lie. Obviously they are not. You will be charged for new uniforms everytime your child needs them.
Here is some helpful advice...(hopefully)
Your child can actually benefit from HLA. Many kids have. It largely depends on the counselor that your child has. If you post their counselors name I will give you my opinion of them. If you are afraid of HLA finding out who your child is if you post their counselors name, then don't post it.
The sad reality of HLA is that it is actually a good program on paper, but the owner is running it into the ground with his poor business practices. The bottom line controls HLA at this point more so than what is best for the kids. That will not change, especially while the census is under 150. If the owner would step back and let his employees do their jobs then it would be better for everyone. That will not happen.
If you want specific questions anwered, post them, and I will try to help you out.
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Guest 2,
This is characteristic of most public forums. Let me suggest that you scroll past what you find offensive and read the many reputable entries available here.
What were you originally told re: uniforms?
What is stated in your contract or the current Parent Manual?
How was "all inclusive" defined for you, prior to enrollment?
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The idea that costs are all inclusive is simply a lie. Obviously they are not. You will be charged for new uniforms everytime your child needs them.
Here is some helpful advice...(hopefully)
Your child can actually benefit from HLA. Many kids have. It largely depends on the counselor that your child has. If you post their counselors name I will give you my opinion of them. If you are afraid of HLA finding out who your child is if you post their counselors name, then don't post it.
The sad reality of HLA is that it is actually a good program on paper, but the owner is running it into the ground with his poor business practices. The bottom line controls HLA at this point more so than what is best for the kids. That will not change, especially while the census is under 150. If the owner would step back and let his employees do their jobs then it would be better for everyone. That will not happen.
If you want specific questions anwered, post them, and I will try to help you out.
My questions have more to do with what is actually going on at the school then what we, as parents, are being told or led to believe. Most of us brought our children to this school because it was recommended through an Educational Consultant - someone that is a professional in this field and has (supposedly) thoroughly researched schools to determine the best alternative for our children. If you've ever been through this situation, then you know firsthand how difficult and emotional this choice is to make - especially when situations are so out of hand and you're desperate to save your child from self-destructing. I don't wish this experience on anyone.
We were told there was a surviellance system in the boy's dorms, but we weren't told it wasn't functional in at least one of the dorms. It wasn't until after a hazing incident during graduation that we found out the cameras were not working. They were repaired shortly after this incident, but they should have been in working order from the start.
Why is there so much turnover of staff? Most of the time we are told it is because the staff member is pursuing a new opportunity. We have no way to verify this information. The high amount of staff turnover is a huge red flag. People in all professions talk and this has to impact the quality of staff that can be hired.
Why do counselors constantly miss phone calls with parents? Are they dealing with too many students at a time that they are completely overwhelmed?
Why has the cost of the program increased so much? Does the school have serious financials issues? Why don't the doctors come to the school anymore? Is there or isn't there a licensed nurse on staff? Why isn't the pool finished? Why isn't the chapel/convocation complete? Is there or isn't there a science lab in the school?
I'm concerned with the types of students that have been rumored to have been admitted to the school - are there really sociopathic individuals on that campus that shouldn't be there? We're not told when serious incidents occur - we find out about them from our children. When the staff is questioned the incident is normally downplayed. Yes, we're even told our children are being manipulative or exaggerating the truth. Unfortunately, most of use have experience our children being manipulative and exaggerating so the doubt starts to creep into your mind.
I appreciate your time and anyone else who can provide credible information to help us make informed decisions.
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Guest 2,
This is characteristic of most public forums. Let me suggest that you scroll past what you find offensive and read the many reputable entries available here.
What were you originally told re: uniforms?
What is stated in your contract or the current Parent Manual?
How was "all inclusive" defined for you, prior to enrollment?
There is nothing in the Parent Handbook addressing additional fees for uniforms (at least not in the copy I have). Does anyone have anything different? The contract stated a $1400 uniform fee - that's it.
All inclusive is defined by HLA as:
Tuition:
Hidden Lake Academy has an all-inclusive tuition of $5,950 per month. However, the monthly tuition does not include the following:
Uniforms ($1,400 at enrollment)
Computer Rental (optional $600)
Transportation for Medical/Dental Appointments (if needed)
Psychological Testing (if needed)
Formal Individual Therapy (if needed)
Transportation to the Airport for Seasonal Breaks
There are no additional "hidden costs" or enrollment fees. All school trips and activities for students are included in the monthly tuition.
HLA is an 18 month therapeutic program that expands due to the date of enrollment. Students may spend 18-21 months at HLA because they must complete the academic semester to receive academic credit. We have three graduations per year based around the academic calender - May, August and December.
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Tuition.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Tuition.aspx)
I agree with the term all-inclusive, but when we started the program we were told the doctor, dentists, etc... all came to the campus for visits. This has changed and it's a $94 transportation fee for your child to see a doctor outside of Dahlonega. Tolietries should be covered, but they're not - I'd expect that to be part of all inclusive. I didn't think that would add up to much until I have to keep ordering them because my child's toiletries are stolen on a regular basis. I expect school supplies to be provided as part of all inclusive, but I send down pens, paper, notebooks, etc... frequently, too. Don't get me started on the regular clothing, which is also stolen on a regular basis - but I'm told it was just misplaced.
My point is that the term all inclusive is misleading and is (all too frequently) subject to change and interpretation.
Anyone else had the same experiences?
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***My questions have more to do with what is actually going on at the school then what we, as parents, are being told or led to believe.
I understand, and it may be helpful for other parents to know if there are discrepancies between what was stated and reality.
***Most of us brought our children to this school because it was recommended through an Educational Consultant - someone that is a professional in this field and has (supposedly) thoroughly researched schools to determine the best alternative for our children.
I didn?t place my son, but did speak to the Ed Con several months into the ordeal. That conversation is transcribed in this forum. In fact, she had not ?researched? HLA. She knew nothing about the methods/techniques, policies/procedures and referred based solely on the ?owner?s reputation?. She didn't know anymore than a prospective parent who had read the literature. Come to find out, she knew nothing about my son either. I?d suggest you express your concerns to the Ed Con. S/he needs your feedback in order to make informed decisions in the future.
You have legitimate questions/concerns. I would be very curious to know his/her response.
Sorry to hear you?re having problems receiving your phone calls, but I?m relieved as well. It was a common problem for me, but assumed it was due to my opposition to my son?s placement and efforts to force them to get properly licensed. I have my own opinions about this, you?ll have to draw your own conclusions.
Perhaps ex-staff can speak to the high turn-over, either on the forum or in a private message. Are you registered as Guest 2? If not, then you may consider it so others can PM you.
As for the pool, chapel, nurse, science lab, types of participants allowed, and financial issues- they?ve all been addressed here. Have you considered making a trip to HLA and posing your questions in person? You are entitled to answers.
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If you are asking 'these' questions....you already know the answers...and they are not good...Forgive me if I am frank, seemingly paranoid, but are you affiliated with 'Quirk and Quirk',HLA, Len himself, to determine just how much is known?
Food for thought.....
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If you are asking 'these' questions....you already know the answers...and they are not good...Forgive me if I am frank, seemingly paranoid, but are you affiliated with 'Quirk and Quirk',HLA, Len himself, to determine just how much is known?
Food for thought.....
No, I'm not. I am a parent of a student who attends the school and I want answers because I'm not getting them from the "powers that be" at HLA.
I just registered so you can send me a PM.
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In 00-01, the policy was that a full time nurse was on staff and Dr Babao came to campus twice a week for colds, flu, virus, etc. Routine visits and dental appointments were expected to be scheduled during home visits. There was a fee for visits outside Dahlonega. I don?t know what it was.
A letter to parents on 14 Dec 2001 stated, ?Over the past few months we have heard from many parents the inconvenience that has arose from the policy of HLA not taking students to the dentist for routine dental work including cleanings. Coupled with the increased difficulty of coordinating medical trips so that they do not negatively impact the program in any way has help HLA evaluate its position on this issue.?
Dr Susan Sockwell DMD was to provide services on campus.
?Not having to leave the campus for service will afford every student the maximum amount of time possible to continue their hard work in the program and still receive the best care possible.?
Track these people down and ask them why they no longer treat kids on campus at HLA.
Certainly I was more critical than most, but was offended with the constant mantra of the dire importance of kids ?working hard on their program?. An occasional medical/dental appointment is not going to jeopardize a child?s ?hard work?.
As for the toiletries- can?t find the letter, but remember parents being required or manipulated to purchase toiletries from HLA. One item that I do recall was a 99 cent bottle of Suave shampoo for $5.
Clothing package was $1,175.00
Unless they?ve changed the policy, the kid leaves with the uniform on his back and returns the same. No luggage. How does one ?misplace? an article of clothing? Or a CD player? Or toiletries? Aren?t these things marked? It?s not like they have a thousand students to monitor.
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The questions you have asked have been answered in this Forum, countless times..
Please check your PM.
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Guest 2,
I have a child a HLA and I have observed this board for several months. My child has made significant and positive progress at HLA. The first few months were the hardest, when we had limited contact, but now we see our child monthly, have regular emails, phone calls weekly, and feel like we know what is happening at HLA. The riding program has been a wonderful addition and provides a regular trip off campus to care for the animals. (our child would be caring for animals at home too). I too wonder about the pool, but they are still fund raising for the chapel.
I have spoken to the doctors who no longer come to campus. The doctors told me the problem was parents were not paying the health care costs when the parents were billed by the doctor and they just needed for parents to be more involved in the health care decisions. I regular speak with the dentists and doctors that my child sees. While I hate the travel fee, I do understand that the cost of gas is higher now than it was earlier.
I like the fact that a pharmacy tech and a nurse are working with the medications.
Now, do some things bother me. Yes. But things where I work some times don't make sense either. It's not a perfect world. My child respects the peer counselors, hate the rules (but hated the rules at home also), likes some teachers and not others (same at home), and loses clothes (but when really pressed admits to sharing and loaning clothes).
I was amazed at all the clothes my child received. Every time I visit the dorm (and I visit the dorm monthly), I see something new that my child received on admission. I have replaced two pair of pants and three shirts for only $60. And let me tell you, I could not pay that little for that much at home. Now we don't have much expense related to toiletry items. About once a quarter our child will need personal items such as laundry detergent, etc.
And speaking of visits, we were able to visit often. Last Thanksgiving when our child was unable to come home, we spent the day at HLA. We had Thanksgiving dinner at HLA with the kids who were unable to go home. The kids were respectful, thoughtful, and talkative. They were laughing and having a great dinner.
As you may know, the kids can write proposals for change and send them to the headmaster. And changes are made. The addition of music, MP3 players was because of the kids making proposals about the importance of music in their lives. My child feel empowers by that activity and writes proposals for changes as well.
As you may realize, we are on the down hill road. Our child will graduate soon and come home and go to school.
Good luck. Now will the members of the board eat me alive for being positive about HLA. Probably. Do I wish that I did not need help with my child--yes. But I did need help, and HLA has provided that help. And it has not been easy. The workshops have been great by the way, and meeting and keeping in touch with other parents has also been helpful.
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Yes. You will probably be ripped apart for your positive views of HLA. Though, your experience is like many others. I have posted on this board several times and said that there are many benefits to HLA, and depending mainly on your child's counselor, your child(and family) will get the help they need.
A couple of things you should be aware of...
A pharmacy tech and nurse are not the ones to have always handled your childs meds. If this is the case now, it is a recent change. Meds are routinely handled by people with no medical training.
The transportation fee is simply a scam to raise more funds. No matter what you have been told, HLA is not in strong financial standing.
The Chapel Fund...well...The have a lot of explaining to do with that one. No one seems to know where all the money has gone. Very sticky situation that I am sure they are trying to resolve before legal trouble kicks up.
I am glad to hear someone get on here a talk about their positive experiences. I believe yours are more common than people on this board want to believe. Most kids do actually have positive experiences at HLA.
The owner is just incompetent, crazy, and corrupt.
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Yes. You will probably be ripped apart for your positive views of HLA. Though, your experience is like many others. I have posted on this board several times and said that there are many benefits to HLA, and depending mainly on your child's counselor, your child(and family) will get the help they need.
A couple of things you should be aware of...
A pharmacy tech and nurse are not the ones to have always handled your childs meds. If this is the case now, it is a recent change. Meds are routinely handled by people with no medical training.
The transportation fee is simply a scam to raise more funds. No matter what you have been told, HLA is not in strong financial standing.
The Chapel Fund...well...The have a lot of explaining to do with that one. No one seems to know where all the money has gone. Very sticky situation that I am sure they are trying to resolve before legal trouble kicks up.
I am glad to hear someone get on here a talk about their positive experiences. I believe yours are more common than people on this board want to believe. Most kids do actually have positive experiences at HLA.
The owner is just incompetent, crazy, and corrupt.
yet another post showing all the corruption, greed and extreme negligence of HLA with the parent stating that they LEFT THEIR KID THERE after finding all of this information.
what's WRONG with you? i don't get this line of thinking at all. "i paid too much, stuff isn't included, facility is broke, staff lies to us, kids get hazed, there is b no security, if you get LUCKY you get a decent counselor who wants to help...etc"
GO GET YOUR KID AND GET SOME REAL HELP FOR YOUR FAMILY.
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..take your pick....
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Yes. You will probably be ripped apart for your positive views of HLA. Though, your experience is like many others. I have posted on this board several times and said that there are many benefits to HLA, and depending mainly on your child's counselor, your child(and family) will get the help they need.
A couple of things you should be aware of...
A pharmacy tech and nurse are not the ones to have always handled your childs meds. If this is the case now, it is a recent change. Meds are routinely handled by people with no medical training.
The transportation fee is simply a scam to raise more funds. No matter what you have been told, HLA is not in strong financial standing.
The Chapel Fund...well...The have a lot of explaining to do with that one. No one seems to know where all the money has gone. Very sticky situation that I am sure they are trying to resolve before legal trouble kicks up.
I am glad to hear someone get on here a talk about their positive experiences. I believe yours are more common than people on this board want to believe. Most kids do actually have positive experiences at HLA.
The owner is just incompetent, crazy, and corrupt.
It never ceases to amaze me the absurdity and absolute blind stupidity of people.
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I wonder how much of a pay off she got for saying all those good things about HLA? Either that or it's one of the new staff writing that crock.
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will it never end
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what does All Inclusive tuition really mean?
Looks like HLA has removed the "all inclusive" term from their web site now:
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Tuition.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Tuition.aspx)
T U I T I O N
Hidden Lake Academy has a tuition of $5,950 per month. The monthly tuition does not include the following:
Uniforms ($1,400 at enrollment)
Computer Rental (optional $600)
Transportation for Medical/Dental Appointments (if needed)
Psychological Testing (if needed)
Formal Individual Therapy (if needed)
Transportation to the Airport for Seasonal Breaks
There are no additional "hidden costs" or enrollment fees. All school trips and activities for students are included in the monthly tuition.
HLA is an 18 month therapeutic program that expands due to the date of enrollment. Students may spend 18-21 months at HLA because they must complete the academic semester to receive academic credit. We have three graduations per year based around the academic calender - May, August and December.
Examples:
A student enrolling in January graduates the program in August of the following year.
A student enrolling in September graduates in May or 21 months later.
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This is not new--it is the exact language that was part of the contract we signed before admitting our child to the school. The separate fees for doctors, toiletries, etc. have always been know. No one has tried to hide any costs from us. The only increase was in local travel costs when the price of gas when sky high. That was understandable and explained quite well. Perhaps the parents who have been writing did not read their contracts before signing them. We have always know that we paid the last three months up front--it was carefully explained. If we pulled our child, we lose the money. Having been on all inclusive vacations, there are always limits to the all inclusive. For example, alcohol may not be included. Or spa costs may not be included. Just read the contract before signing.
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This is not new--it is the exact language that was part of the contract we signed before admitting our child to the school. The separate fees for doctors, toiletries, etc. have always been know. No one has tried to hide any costs from us. The only increase was in local travel costs when the price of gas when sky high. That was understandable and explained quite well. Perhaps the parents who have been writing did not read their contracts before signing them. We have always know that we paid the last three months up front--it was carefully explained. If we pulled our child, we lose the money. Having been on all inclusive vacations, there are always limits to the all inclusive. For example, alcohol may not be included. Or spa costs may not be included. Just read the contract before signing.
Hello Dumb Ass:
We're not talking about a VACATION; We're talking about our CHILDREN.
We DID read our contracts and they DID say ALL INCLUSIVE. Perhaps you enrolled your child after we had enrolled ours - did you ever think of that? No, of course not - thinking is too hard for you.
Licensed Professional Counselors and State Certified Teachers are probably extra, too. Duh.
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You seem to have an anger issue. First, my child is enrolled. The teachers are qualified. The counselors working with my child have masters degreed and meet the qualifications for running peer groups. My child is doing well and is making tremendous improvements. I did for one read the contract, I read every web page, and I sought help when I realized the counseling and therapy at home was not working. Perhaps if you did not verbally harass people, more people who are positive would be able to post on this site and have good discussions and debates rather than being afraid of the name calling and abuse you heap on.
Trust me, I know of no one who wants to send their child away from home. And the parents I have met at the parents meeting are good people who are struggling, in close contact with their children, attend every meeting, love their child and are working hard toward a bright future.
No place is perfect, but it is not the hell you make it out to be.
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The teachers are qualified. The counselors working with my child have masters degreed and meet the qualifications for running peer groups.
Not according to state laws, rules and regulations they're not.
Uncertified teachers and unlicensed counselors should not be working with our kids, plain and simple.
Which Masters level LICENSED counselor is working with your kid?
Which CERTIFIED teachers are working with him/her?
Please let us know which highly qualified people are taking care of your kid.
Don't just come on here and spout, give accurate details. Name names and qualifications. I'd really like to see that.
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You seem to have an anger issue. First, my child is enrolled. The teachers are qualified. The counselors working with my child have masters degreed and meet the qualifications for running peer groups. My child is doing well and is making tremendous improvements. I did for one read the contract, I read every web page, and I sought help when I realized the counseling and therapy at home was not working. Perhaps if you did not verbally harass people, more people who are positive would be able to post on this site and have good discussions and debates rather than being afraid of the name calling and abuse you heap on.
Trust me, I know of no one who wants to send their child away from home. And the parents I have met at the parents meeting are good people who are struggling, in close contact with their children, attend every meeting, love their child and are working hard toward a bright future.
No place is perfect, but it is not the hell you make it out to be.
The teachers are not qualified and neither are the counselors. Why don't you start doing some investigating and find out how "qualified" these people really are? Call the state and call the licensing board. Call Child Protective Services to find out why HLA is being investigated?
You've obviously only been at the school a couple of months or so so you're still in that "honeymoon phase" HLA likes to throw around. Just wait. You'll find out the truth the hard way. We all did.
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You seem to have an anger issue. First, my child is enrolled. The teachers are qualified. The counselors working with my child have masters degreed and meet the qualifications for running peer groups.
All of them have masters? What are the 'qualifications' for running a peer group?
My child is doing well and is making tremendous improvements.
How do you know this?
I did for one read the contract, I read every web page, and I sought help when I realized the counseling and therapy at home was not working. Perhaps if you did not verbally harass people, more people who are positive would be able to post on this site and have good discussions and debates rather than being afraid of the name calling and abuse you heap on.
If you're really interested you'll look past the anger and realize its well deserved. There's a boatload of info here that you really do need to find out.
Trust me, I know of no one who wants to send their child away from home. And the parents I have met at the parents meeting are good people who are struggling, in close contact with their children, attend every meeting, love their child and are working hard toward a bright future.
Desperate, scared parents make excellent marks.
No place is perfect, but it is not the hell you make it out to be.
Yeah, it pretty much is.
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You seem to have an anger issue. First, my child is enrolled. The teachers are qualified. The counselors working with my child have masters degreed and meet the qualifications for running peer groups. My child is doing well and is making tremendous improvements. I did for one read the contract, I read every web page, and I sought help when I realized the counseling and therapy at home was not working. Perhaps if you did not verbally harass people, more people who are positive would be able to post on this site and have good discussions and debates rather than being afraid of the name calling and abuse you heap on.
Trust me, I know of no one who wants to send their child away from home. And the parents I have met at the parents meeting are good people who are struggling, in close contact with their children, attend every meeting, love their child and are working hard toward a bright future.
No place is perfect, but it is not the hell you make it out to be.
HLA TROLL
Lenny is in damage control
Essertt must be giving much advice
lets see
Chapel Funds suddenly replaced
Tuition advertisement has been changed
Infirmary changes
I would bet that Teacher Certifications are getting resolved, shouldn't that be done at hiring?
those early morning meetings in Lenny;s office must be working?
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This is not new--it is the exact language that was part of the contract we signed before admitting our child to the school. The separate fees for doctors, toiletries, etc. have always been know. No one has tried to hide any costs from us. The only increase was in local travel costs when the price of gas when sky high. That was understandable and explained quite well. Perhaps the parents who have been writing did not read their contracts before signing them. We have always know that we paid the last three months up front--it was carefully explained. If we pulled our child, we lose the money. Having been on all inclusive vacations, there are always limits to the all inclusive. For example, alcohol may not be included. Or spa costs may not be included. Just read the contract before signing.
Nicole, Nicole, Nicole..............too little, too late. As much as the Buch fantasizes himself as Big Brother, who can control peoples thoughts and alter the past record at will....well he just can't. You and he need to both accept that. The truth has caught up with, as have the IRS, DHR, ORS, Child Services, the Health Dept....well you know as well as we do, the list goes on and on.
You just can't stop it, cause youre just too stupid.
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Trust me, I know of no one who wants to send their child away from home. And the parents I have met at the parents meeting are good people who are struggling, in close contact with their children, attend every meeting, love their child and are working hard toward a bright future.
This so very true, HLA parents are some of the best I've ever encountered.
How long has your child been in attendance? Trust me, give it some time and don't form an opinion too early. Pay attention and keep your eyes and ears open.
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Yes please do, eventually youll come to the same concluscions we all did. There really is no need to buy into Nicole's propoganda. Or was it Kathleen?
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Trust the process.
It'll get worse before it gets better.
Remember, they'll be deadinsaneorinjail if they leave.
They're being manipulative.
Disgruntled kids.
Disgruntled parents.
Angry ex-employees.
yadda yadda yadda
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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You forgot to mention we have an agenda.
:roll:
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That was understandable and explained quite well. Perhaps the parents who have been writing did not read their contracts before signing them. We have always know that we paid the last three months up front--
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Let me tell you something, whoever you are!
The biggest crime at HLA was how carefully and calculating the Contract signing was maneuvered.
The 5 families I befriended in my daughter?s peer group had no prior notice that HLA required upon enrollment, the last 3 months tuition and/or $17,700 non refundable upon early withdrawal .
These parents traveled from out of town, with their children packed to enroll, consumed with guilt and scared to death.
What a set up for manipulation???.. What were they to do? ???..you got it????..WRITE OUT THE DAMN CHECK
ACTUALLY, BUCCI GOT IT!
The day they arrive, they pay approximately $26,000 (what boarding schools charge for entire year)
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Hey - same thing happened to me, i can't find anything on their webpage that tells about paying the last 3 months and it is non-refundable. all the forms are there but where is the contract?
T U I T I O N
Hidden Lake Academy has a tuition of $5,950 per month. The monthly tuition does not include the following:
Uniforms ($1,400 at enrollment)
Computer Rental (optional $600)
Transportation for Medical/Dental Appointments (if needed)
Psychological Testing (if needed)
Formal Individual Therapy (if needed)
Transportation to the Airport for Seasonal Breaks
There are no additional "hidden costs" or enrollment fees. All school trips and activities for students are included in the monthly tuition.
HLA is an 18 month therapeutic program that expands due to the date of enrollment. Students may spend 18-21 months at HLA because they must complete the academic semester to receive academic credit. We have three graduations per year based around the academic calender - May, August and December.
Examples:
A student enrolling in January graduates the program in August of the following year.
A student enrolling in September graduates in May or 21 months later.
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On 2006-05-22 07:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Due to the fact that HLA will not provide financials for the two major companies that provide loans for kids to attend HLA, those companies (PrepGate and Achiever Loan) reportedly will cease making loans for HLA attendance.
Just another example of the kids suffering for the shortcomings of HLA's management.
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How did you find that out?
Strangely enough Key Bank will come to the rescue of those needing funding.
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When are parents told of the additional charges associated with RC?
Suspension and Expulsion Policies of Hidden Lake Academy
As a Therapeutic Boarding School, Hidden Lake Academy (HLA) has as its mission serving families with students who have typically had behavioral difficulties. We seek to offer students a multitude of opportunities to
learn from and correct inappropriate behaviors prior to suspension or expulsion being necessary. Therefore, suspensions and/or expulsions are atypical from most other educational environments.
SUSPENSION
Should a student?s behavior be a serious violation of their own safety, or safety on campus, or if they show a repetitive pattern of less serious acting out behaviors it may be determined that they are in need of a short term wilderness intervention as a means of removing them from the campus in order for them to be able to focus more intensely on themselves and their behaviors. When this is a necessary, parent and educational consultants are informed and options are discussed.
HLA has a contractual agreement with the Ridge Creek Wilderness Leadership Program. This program is offered to parents and guardians of HLA students as a no additional cost alternative to other short-term wilderness interventions. If a parent does not wish to utilize the Ridge Creek program, they are free to select a mutually agreeable alternative program and assume the financial responsibility of that program. HLA will give pro-rated tuition credit for a student who attends a wilderness program other than Ridge Creek for the period of time the
student is attending the other wilderness program. While an HLA student is attending Ridge Creek, HLA tuition is still charged as HLA pays for the contract services for a student attending Ridge Creek.
Once a student has satisfactorily completed the wilderness program, they are welcomed back to HLA. Upon returning to HLA they must sign a behavioral contract expressing a commitment to their therapeutic growth. The Academic Department assists the student in making up all missed academic work. Violations of the contract would result in a student being placed on Restriction. Should the student not respond to these consequences a clinical staffing will be held to review the student?s situation. Staffing outcomes could range from recommendations for different treatment methods, different consequences, returning to a short-term wilderness program, or dismissal from school. Dismissal would only be considered if it was felt the student was not benefiting from the services and treatment we offer, or if the student was a danger to themselves or others.
EXPULSION
Expulsion from HLA typically only occurs after a variety of interventions have been attempted. (see Suspension). Should school administrators deem that all plausible interventions have been exhausted, or the
student is a danger to themselves or others, the decision may be made to dismiss the student. Should this be necessary, HLA will make every effort to refer the parents/guardian to professionals in their area who may help
locate another appropriate placement for their child.
Immediate expulsions from HLA could occur when the administrative team determines that a specific action of a student is serious enough so as to intentionally cause themselves or others to be placed at risk of harm. In such cases, parents/guardians will be immediately notified and a safe, swift and appropriate plan for the removal of the student from campus will be determined.
While HLA makes every effort to consider parent/guardian feedback regarding decisions the school makes about their child, a parent/guardian who is unwilling to comply with final school recommendations or decisions may be asked to remove the child from the school. This would constitute an ?Early Withdrawal? on the part of the parent/guardian under the terms of the Tuition Agreement. The school retains the option of requiring that a
student be withdrawn as a result of the behaviors of a non-custodial parent.
_________________________________________ __________________________
Parent/Guardian Signature Date
http://hiddenlake.win.aplus.net/pdf/Sus ... acement%22 (http://hiddenlake.win.aplus.net/pdf/SuspensionExpulsion.pdf#search=%22%22hidden%20lake%20academy%22%20%2B%20placement%22)
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When are parents told of the additional charges associated with RC?
Suspension and Expulsion Policies of Hidden Lake Academy
As a Therapeutic Boarding School, Hidden Lake Academy (HLA) has as its mission serving families with students who have typically had behavioral difficulties. We seek to offer students a multitude of opportunities to
learn from and correct inappropriate behaviors prior to suspension or expulsion being necessary. Therefore, suspensions and/or expulsions are atypical from most other educational environments.
SUSPENSION
Should a student?s behavior be a serious violation of their own safety, or safety on campus, or if they show a repetitive pattern of less serious acting out behaviors it may be determined that they are in need of a short term wilderness intervention as a means of removing them from the campus in order for them to be able to focus more intensely on themselves and their behaviors. When this is a necessary, parent and educational consultants are informed and options are discussed.
HLA has a contractual agreement with the Ridge Creek Wilderness Leadership Program. This program is offered to parents and guardians of HLA students as a no additional cost alternative to other short-term wilderness interventions. If a parent does not wish to utilize the Ridge Creek program, they are free to select a mutually agreeable alternative program and assume the financial responsibility of that program. HLA will give pro-rated tuition credit for a student who attends a wilderness program other than Ridge Creek for the period of time the
student is attending the other wilderness program. While an HLA student is attending Ridge Creek, HLA tuition is still charged as HLA pays for the contract services for a student attending Ridge Creek.
Once a student has satisfactorily completed the wilderness program, they are welcomed back to HLA. Upon returning to HLA they must sign a behavioral contract expressing a commitment to their therapeutic growth. The Academic Department assists the student in making up all missed academic work. Violations of the contract would result in a student being placed on Restriction. Should the student not respond to these consequences a clinical staffing will be held to review the student?s situation. Staffing outcomes could range from recommendations for different treatment methods, different consequences, returning to a short-term wilderness program, or dismissal from school. Dismissal would only be considered if it was felt the student was not benefiting from the services and treatment we offer, or if the student was a danger to themselves or others.
EXPULSION
Expulsion from HLA typically only occurs after a variety of interventions have been attempted. (see Suspension). Should school administrators deem that all plausible interventions have been exhausted, or the
student is a danger to themselves or others, the decision may be made to dismiss the student. Should this be necessary, HLA will make every effort to refer the parents/guardian to professionals in their area who may help
locate another appropriate placement for their child.
Immediate expulsions from HLA could occur when the administrative team determines that a specific action of a student is serious enough so as to intentionally cause themselves or others to be placed at risk of harm. In such cases, parents/guardians will be immediately notified and a safe, swift and appropriate plan for the removal of the student from campus will be determined.
While HLA makes every effort to consider parent/guardian feedback regarding decisions the school makes about their child, a parent/guardian who is unwilling to comply with final school recommendations or decisions may be asked to remove the child from the school. This would constitute an ?Early Withdrawal? on the part of the parent/guardian under the terms of the Tuition Agreement. The school retains the option of requiring that a
student be withdrawn as a result of the behaviors of a non-custodial parent.
_________________________________________ __________________________
Parent/Guardian Signature Date
http://hiddenlake.win.aplus.net/pdf/Sus ... acement%22 (http://hiddenlake.win.aplus.net/pdf/SuspensionExpulsion.pdf#search=%22%22hidden%20lake%20academy%22%20%2B%20placement%22)
You're never "told". You find out when you receive the monthly bill in the mail.
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Deborah, I noticed you are the moderator on this forum. Who are you and what is your relationship to HLA? Your profile only lists that you are from Texas.
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Deborah, I noticed you are the moderator on this forum. Who are you and what is your relationship to HLA? Your profile only lists that you are from Texas.
Sensai - who are you and why so many questions? What's your relationship to HLA?
Go back and read through the posts and you'll know who Deborah is and why she's the moderator.
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Yes Sensai, why do you care. Espically since not only do you not have a profile of your own, but you have yet to mention your own connection to hla.
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Yes Sensai, why do you care. Espically since not only do you not have a profile of your own, but you have yet to mention your own connection to hla.
"Damage Control Agent/Mole"
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Yes Sensai, why do you care. Espically since not only do you not have a profile of your own, but you have yet to mention your own connection to hla.
oops. you asked sensai to answer some questions. in HLA terms those questions clearly signal "Retreat!"
come on sensai, you gutless wonder, tell us how you're affiliated with HLA.
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Excuse me. You are manipulating and telling half truths. HLA is not retreating. They are advancing in the opposite direction.
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Anyone waiting for a tuition refund? Don't hold your breath...
There are approximately $800,000.00 in refunds waiting to be paid to families, but the HLA bank accounts are empty, according to a business office employee. Current operating budget is about $500,000.00 per month to support everything - program, wages, expenses, etc.
So, if you're waiting for a refund, you had better get it before the bankruptcy!