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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 15, 2006, 11:05:00 PM
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Posted by: goldenguruI know that this can be a really bittersweet day for moms. My last 2 mothers days were spent shedding lots of tears as our dear child was far away physically (in her TBS) and emotionally (due to anger toward us).
But, with time, I believe they come to understand the gravity of this decision on US, and the depths to which we love them.
Placing a child is a SACRIFICE .... defined by Webster as " the forfeiture of something highly valued, for the sake of something of much greater value ". We are forfeiting the time of the here and now, for the time, the hopes and dreams of much better tomorrows.
Happy Mothers Day!!
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Kelly
Posted by: RandomWalkThanks GG. Mother's Day 2004 my son was at the TBS, but due to come home in a couple of weeks. The worse one was the year before when he was still at home and causing chaos in all of our lives. I was telling God that I didn't think I had signed up for this whole "Mother" thing!
Placing a child IS a sacrifice- even sending your child to a regular boarding school is a sacrifice, but putting them somewhere where you KNOW they will unhappy and be even angrier at you- at least in the short term- is SO hard. I guess that is why we have each other here on this board.
Posted by: exladycopWhat a nice post. Happy Mother's Day to all us so deserving mothers. This is actually my first mother's day without my son "physically", "mentally" he hasn't been with me for quite some time. I'm hoping next mother's day, will have both. It IS a sacrafice to put them in these schools. When we took our "mother's oath" we promised to love, cherish, protect and care for them till they were ready to face the world on their own. Something beyond our control (or was it?) happened along the way and we had to trust their wellbeing and growth to the care of others. We tried our best, but our best wasn't good enough - for them anyway. Part of being a mother, I guess. So, Happy Mother's day to all of us who did our best, loved our hardest, tried our darndest and are now doing something we believe will make our children as good as we are. Here's to next Mother's Day where we can all be together.
Posted by: Leslie6I totally agree. Yesterday was a hard day without my son, but he calls me every Sunday night, so it was nice to hear from him, he said hi first, and then I paused, and he said "Happy Mothers Day" to me. We had a good talk, so that is good. Very hard day, espeically since I don't think my son will ever live at home with me again, he says it is not just me he says he can't live here with me because of the "bad people" that may go after him after they learn he is here. Sad. oh well, I guess this will help me learn better in how to let go and let him make decisions on his own, good or bad, but hopefully better than before. He was going to tell me on this call yesterday about what he did before I sent him away, and apoloagize to me, and he did, he said he was very sorry, that he was rude to me, and things got way out of hand. I asked him if he was doing more than just pot, and he said that he was doing crack for about a month or more. I had no idea. I was so shocked to hear of the crack that I forgot to ask him if he understands now why I had to send him where I did, and we only had a 15 minute phone call, so I will ask him when we are alone together when I go to see him graduate. For some reason, I am not worried aobut being alone with my son now in WA when he graduates from HS. He sent me a letter, which was nice, and I told him I really appreciated that. I also told him that I want to have a good time with him and with him at home for the 4-5 days that he will be here and then I won't see him again for a long time, I am sure we will be in phone or e-mail contact.
I hope everyone had a nice Mother's Day. A very hard day for a lot of us, but hopefully there will be much better days, and Mother's Days ahead.
Take care
Leslie
Posted by: helenebI actually had a very Happy Mother's Day this year. Our son came home for his first home visit (almost 11 months from being sent to wc and tbs). He was only home for 3 days, but it was great to have him home. He did mature in mnay ways and we had some good conversations. He wants total trust and we just aren't able to give it to him right now. All of us parents have been burned so many times that it will take a long time. There were many rules that the kids had to agree to, and he respected most of them.
I feel sorry for my husband as this will be the 2nd Father's Day that our son won't be home. (He was sent to wc 2 days before father's day last year). As each holiday, birthday, and other family celebrations pass, I remind myself that he will be home for them next year. I also count days between our visits. If all goes well, our son will get permission to come home for his siter's graduation next month.
Graduation is only 3 months away. It is great to finally be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel!
Posted by: RandomWalkA little off-topic, but today is the 3rd anniversary of the puppy our son bought by stealing our checks, finding a breeder and writing a check! Two weeks and a serious car accident later, he was on his way to wilderness. The dog is the joy of my life, and possibly the most wonderful thing my son has done for me (even though it wasn't supposed to be for ME-we know how THAT goes...), but at the time it was quite a shock. That darling little puppy is now a 125 pound Golden Retriever.
Posted by: exladycopRandomwalk: That's a funny story - my son bought an adorable little puppy "pit bull" with money he stole from me also - found one in the paper and cashed one of my checks to buy it. He was "going to take care of it to learn responsibility". I bought that story with my OWN money! His "responsibility" lasted about a week and his friends were his focus again. He left two months later for Wilderness and hasn't been home since. Unfortunately, the pit bull, although a sweetheart of all sweehearts still tried to "play" with my three little miniature pinschers even though he was getting much bigger and they weren't. Sprained one of my little ones legs by accident by running "through" her. I had to find a good home for him which broke my heart because 1) I was attached to him and 2) it was the part of my son he left behind. When we told my son while at Wilderness, he hated us so much but quickly realized that he never should have brought that little thing in our home without our permission to start with. I'm glad your story has a happy ending for all - especially for your little 125lb puppy.
Posted by: RandomWalkMy friends say that the dog is my son reincarnated as a dog!
[note: wtf??!? @ RandomWalk?]
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"Poor me, poor me." God, these people are some real losers. They messed up their kids, sent them away and then cry that THEIR feelings are hurt. If any of these people attended to ttheir kids in the first place this wouldn't have to be such a sorry mother's day.
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These are pathetic excuses for parents.
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I think Ill just stop speaking and just say what THEY say when someone bitches about how Im so hard on them. They do a good enough job making themselves look like... well, you can see for yourself, what do you think about them?
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I think that they are playing the part of loving parent. I think they try their hand at acting on Struggling Snivelers first before they try it on the rest of the world.
They are pathetic. They disgust me.
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It takes a whole lot of crappy parenting to mess up a kid so much the only way you can deal is to send them away.
Random walk didn't sign up for the "whole mother thing?" WTF??? Then why did you have a kid, idiot. Sorry, but when that sperm and egg united you DID sign up. Its your kid that didn't have any say in it. I never heard of a kid yet that was born because he or she had an uncontrollable biological urge to be born like people have urges to screw, oh yes and crave having babies. Then like a plaything they grow tired of, abandon the kid when he or she develps a mind of their own and reflects back to the parent the ego-crushing truth of their failure.
NEWS FLASH: once you force a kid into this world you have deal! Every minute of every day.
The way to do it is build trust and respect from the day you are entrusted with this precious gift so that you deserve true respect, not be a pig and
then demand it.
You guys spoil your kids and ignore them until they get to be so bratty you can't handle it then you abandon them instead of working out the problem, oh no, that would take time and trouble. Pathetic. Oh, and happy mother's day even though you told God you didn't sign up for the "mother thing". Too bad that did not occur to you before you reproduced.
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It's people like these that are the problem, not Hinton and Lichfield.
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I talked to my son on Mother's Day, and he made some amends with me and told me that he now understands why I did what I had to do and send him away. He admitted that he was out of control, and he has a friend here that he hung out with who is now in jail, and my son said if I hadn't done what I did and cared about him, he might be in jail too.
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Or possibly you might have tred being a parent.
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This is pathetic. Since everyone on this site is tired of beating the same dead horse they are going over to ST and stealing their posts. If we *wanted* to read this stuff we would go over there.
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P & T = Poaching & Trolling. Get a life.
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I agree with TSW
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so then why do you keep trolling over to ST?? I am only here to defend myself as you copied and pasted something I wrote on ST, and put on your site. You have invaded my privacy, and I don't understand why you keep doing this?? Leave us alone, and I will leave you alone. I do read some of your posts, but I don't comment, nor do I cut and past your postings and put on ST. I am only trying to do the best for my son, and he is ok with it. Nothing bad has ever happened to him at the wilderness or at the TBS, and if I find out that something has, then I will let you know, and there will be consequenses at the TBS, but I talk to my son all the time and he is fine, he also writes letters to me, and he is fine, believe me, if something were going wrong, I would know. Let us be parents, or at least try to do the best we can. Some day you will find out, it is hard. I could go on and on, but I won't.
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"so then why do you keep trolling over to ST?? I am only here to defend myself as you copied and pasted something I wrote on ST, and put on your site.
Because everyone there is clearly terrified of me and the words I say, and Ive been banned! Funny how you're so insecure you're forced to see if I speak of you here and then speak up about it.
You have invaded my privacy, and I don't understand why you keep doing this??
No, I didn't. You posted it on an open forum. Furthermore, based on the way we all know "TBS's" operate, why are you such a whiner about public disclosure and being stood up in group? Its whats so fuckin' therapeutic for your kid, so why cant you take the same medicine?
Leave us alone, and I will leave you alone.
LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE, AND I'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE.
I do read some of your posts, but I don't comment, nor do I cut and past your postings and put on ST.
So you read? What about think or discuss? Critical thinking is a important skill for adults, maybe you should consider finally developing it.
I am only trying to do the best for my son, and he is ok with it. Nothing bad has ever happened to him at the wilderness or at the TBS, and if I find out that something has, then I will let you know, and there will be consequenses at the TBS, but I talk to my son all the time and he is fine, he also writes letters to me, and he is fine, believe me, if something were going wrong, I would know.
You say you're doing whats best for your son, and you want to think that for various personal reasons, but the bottom line is the entire industry is a crock.
In 30 years, nobody has proven they work. Nobody has proven efficacy, nobody has proven a god damned thing, yet the methods they deploy have been piecewise debunked and/or demonstrated to be abusive and/or detremental in the long run.
We both know how they control information, how they say if the kid says anything wrong its a lie to be punished or "part of the honeymoon period" or what ever other bullshit they say. Therapy isn't something you force, skinner model behavior modification and mind control you have to by definition.
Let us be parents, or at least try to do the best we can. Some day you will find out, it is hard. I could go on and on, but I won't.
As soon as you feel like being a parent, I'll have a fucking party for you. As it is, all youre doing is putting faith, money, and a living, breathing, sentient, intelligent, thinking being under their control because you BELEIVE something is wrong and BELIEVE they are the only answer. And you know whats even worse? That being is your own offspring (or at least an adopted person you swore to be responsible for) who is not only abandoned and betrayed to a program, but now has his own caretakers being part of it.
BTW, stop bringing up bullshit about how hard it is. Every other human being who has kids is able to handle it, yet baby boomer kiddies are so selfish and weak they cant be parents?
Its not about YOU. Grow up already. Theres no way you can even afford a program unless you're well into your 30s.
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"well into my 30"s".hmmmmmmmmmm, I will be 45 in June, fucking asshole. or have you ever had your hard fucking cock in a ladies ass hole, if not then you don't know what true love is and fucking sex is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, try it sometime, yes I am horny, been there done that, feels good, fucking good. If your fucking cock is hard baby then you know what love and fucking is all about, lead me to a different room and I will have fun with you baby, but you all don't have rooms like that on here do you, too bad, cause I really would luv to have a good time with you., sucking your cock till you can't stand it,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, fuck me hard and deep baby, give me a place to be there with you and I will be................... try me, you will like it and more got a private room, tell me and I will be there for you, yes I am fucking horny, and I can make you feel so good lick you have never felt so good before, tell me where to meet you, perhaps a special room in yahoo??
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I am not terrified of you, I want you and I to fuck each other baby, interested??
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Eudora/Ginger,
You have a very classy forum here. I'm sure you're proud of it. Maybe if I start my own forum I could have friends like this too.
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On 2006-05-21 15:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
""well into my 30"s".hmmmmmmmmmm, I will be 45 in June, fucking asshole. or have you ever had your hard fucking cock in a ladies ass hole, if not then you don't know what true love is and fucking sex is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, try it sometime, yes I am horny, been there done that, feels good, fucking good. If your fucking cock is hard baby then you know what love and fucking is all about, lead me to a different room and I will have fun with you baby, but you all don't have rooms like that on here do you, too bad, cause I really would luv to have a good time with you., sucking your cock till you can't stand it,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, fuck me hard and deep baby, give me a place to be there with you and I will be................... try me, you will like it and more got a private room, tell me and I will be there for you, yes I am fucking horny, and I can make you feel so good lick you have never felt so good before, tell me where to meet you, perhaps a special room in yahoo??"
Sorry, Im neither single, nor desperate enough to get your filth on me.
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On 2006-05-21 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Eudora/Ginger,
You have a very classy forum here. I'm sure you're proud of it. Maybe if I start my own forum I could have friends like this too."
Actually, shes very proud at not needing nor wanting censorship, and is proud of being against any sort of editing (unless legally forced to do so).
See, something you seem to pretend to forget (After approving of programs taking advantage of it to break down kids to 'find out whats really going on') is everyone has a limit, and Ive reached mine with immature whiney program parents who make excuses and cant think or understand facts, and having reached said limit Im more to not hide what I feel behind a facade of civility.
I hold you in utter contempt, and now you know it.
But even if I was fucking sanitized for your convenience, you still wouldn't like what I had to say, unless it was utterly sugar coated, wishy washy, and left out all the FACTS that I like to bring up and make you in turn like to do your metaphorical ostrich impression burying your head in the sand.
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Wow, what an assumption. I actually hate programs. You are paranoid and disturbed. I was not remotely referring to your post, fuckchop.
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On 2006-05-21 16:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow, what an assumption. I actually hate programs. You are paranoid and disturbed. I was not remotely referring to your post, fuckchop."
Excuse me, bumblefuck, but if you'd actually not post anonymously and be explicit we wouldnt have SNAFUs like this.
:wave: get a login. Its easy, free, and instant
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I don't want to be one of you or one of them. I prefer to stay anon. Both sides have their share of complete and total assholes.
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On 2006-05-21 17:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't want to be one of you or one of them. I prefer to stay anon. Both sides have their share of complete and total assholes. "
:nworthy:
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I am a well known member at Struggling Teens. I am a trusted member. I have been friends with a lot of members for some time now. Some are not as friendly as they seem. See you around. :wave:
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On 2006-05-21 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Eudora/Ginger,
You have a very classy forum here. I'm sure you're proud of it. Maybe if I start my own forum I could have friends like this too."
Nothing more classy than freedom of speech.
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On 2006-05-21 17:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't want to be one of you or one of them. I prefer to stay anon. Both sides have their share of complete and total assholes. "
As long as you're exercising your right and responsibilty to think for yourself, you're "one of us", like it or not :silly:
And as much as I respect your right to call me or think of me an asshole, Id request you put it in perspective - this 'horrible' online treatment is in-their-face to their children, for hours at a time, and its more than one person, and there is a threat of violence or a even longer stay in the program if they dont give in to it.
All these Struggling Turkeys have to do is click a button, or just stop reading. Its their own bitter medicine! They should be first in line to suck it down.
And as far as WWASPS goes, they definitely do, c/o the Resource Realizations seminars. But either way, if Im an asshole for telling someone whose having their child tortured for his or her own well being, that theyre having their own child tortured so he or she can feel better, than Im a fuckin asshole :idea:
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Mostly (for me) because watching someone who got stuck in one of the "less bad" places go through PTSD is heartbreaking as hell.
Your kid is brainwashed and is conforming to the image of perfect, repentent, loving, compliant child to *survive*.
You have condemned your child to decades of suffering from PTSD and you expect people to feel sorry for you? Fat chance.
Invaded your privacy? I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T. When you stick it on the highway on a billboard, it isn't private anymore. You want privacy, don't plaster it on the internet, genius.
If it's defending yourself you're after, go do it on your knees in church.
Julie
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Don't listen to these people as they know nothing about raising kids or helping them when they take a bad turn in life. Do what your heart tells you to do. I'ts apparent that these people that have so much to say on parenting either have no children or are self descibed professionals that know it all.
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Hi, friends. I am taking a break from writing my famous science fiction novels, which you can find in the very back bargain bins of the Dollar Store. I have finally decided to register a user name so I can serve you better.
I AM JULIE THE GREAT. I know everything about parenting, since I am the proud mother of a perfect little girl named katie who will never grow up to to one bad thing because I will just sit her down with a good local therapist and ask her nicely not to do that. Why didn't you sniveling parents try that. You just hate your kids and don't want to be parents, unlike me. I can do it all- write best selling novels that no one reads, parent my perfect child and tell all of you how to raise your horrible children. Of course I have no idea what you are going through or what your kids are like. Why would I? I just speak out of my ass and ramble on like an idiot so you all will know how smart I think I am.
If you have any questions, you stupid fucktard parents, please go through my book agent.
Julie
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Yes, the professionals agree these type of tough love treatment options are ineffective and part of an old fashioned ideology based on hurt and fear which has been proven harmful to teens. Many of us do have teens and do realize parenting isn't about sending your kid to a wharehouse to be fixed, it's rolling up your sleeves and doing the dirty work yourself.
Grow up and parent.
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Another example of the immaturity of program parents. You cannot even grasp such a simple subject as effective and humurous satire.
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ALL program parents are immature. Only those of us who oppose ALL programs have any maturity. If you read the posts by Nihilanthic, DysfunctionJunction, Deborah and ThreeSprings- and of course ME-you will see examples of true maturity. Please don't forget to read the KareninDallas thread, because that is how we on Fornits show the world what we are all about. We are so clever and funny and anyone who comes to this forum can immediately see how much we know and how mature we are.
Julie
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I couldn't agree with you more Julie. :wave:
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On 2006-05-21 15:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
""well into my 30"s".hmmmmmmmmmm, I will be 45 in June, fucking asshole. or have you ever had your hard fucking cock in a ladies ass hole, if not then you don't know what true love is and fucking sex is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, try it sometime, yes I am horny, been there done that, feels good, fucking good. If your fucking cock is hard baby then you know what love and fucking is all about, lead me to a different room and I will have fun with you baby, but you all don't have rooms like that on here do you, too bad, cause I really would luv to have a good time with you., sucking your cock till you can't stand it,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, fuck me hard and deep baby, give me a place to be there with you and I will be................... try me, you will like it and more got a private room, tell me and I will be there for you, yes I am fucking horny, and I can make you feel so good lick you have never felt so good before, tell me where to meet you, perhaps a special room in yahoo??"
This was the classy bit I was referring to.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle between *Julie*, DJ, Niles, TSW and then the pro-program zealots. It just seems that the anti-babies tend to use this kind of "free speech" as a way to offend the so-called program parents.
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Hey, if you're seriously talkin about doin it on yahoo, shit I'm down!!!
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Dude, if you don't like it here leave. We are all adults, but you are acting like a little baby. Whining about why you don't like people. GET OVER IT. This is an internet forum... seriously, what is wrong with you?? :lol:
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I've posted twice, how bout you leave you dumb fuckin bitch
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My point exactly....when someone disagrees with you, you resort to childishness. Sorry, not going anywhere- just pointing out if you really cared about the well being of kids in programs you might present yourselves differently. Program parents eat this shit up with a spoon and then make that dangerous leap...that they are doing the "right" thing so they won't end up like you.
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This is dumb shit, whoever posted that should save everybody a lot of trouble and dive off a bridge
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sorry, so their KIDS won't end up like you-
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Is that Luke???? Are you back??? We've missed you Luke/Paul,YourKid.
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Summer vacation Lukie?
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you sad ignorant fuck
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You ARE back! TSW and the other boys will be so happy to hear from you again. You make it so interesting around here. I can brush up on my language *skills*. I knew you couldn't stay away forever. And it's only MAY! My guess is we have you around all day until...oh, about mid-August when you go back to school. Imagine that-ALL DAY, not just after school! Welcome home Luke.
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Just be sure to let me know how many logins you'll be using. I see you have one Anon and then the other is F t Rep. I like to try and check in on your wisdom from time to time. It got hard when you were using three logins. What are you doing this summer? Wilderness Camp?
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On 2006-05-23 06:26:00, JulietheGreat wrote:
"ALL program parents are immature. Only those of us who oppose ALL programs have any maturity. If you read the posts by Nihilanthic, DysfunctionJunction, Deborah and ThreeSprings- and of course ME-you will see examples of true maturity. Please don't forget to read the KareninDallas thread, because that is how we on Fornits show the world what we are all about. We are so clever and funny and anyone who comes to this forum can immediately see how much we know and how mature we are.
Julie"
This is the Carlbrook mom troll who cries like a baby at anons and accuses people of having multiple logins. This is her second bogus identity. Is Wilkes-Barre THAT boring? Or are you just a bigger baby and that much immature thsan the 16-year-olds that you like to torment?
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On 2006-05-23 07:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just be sure to let me know how many logins you'll be using. I see you have one Anon and then the other is F t Rep. I like to try and check in on your wisdom from time to time. It got hard when you were using three logins. What are you doing this summer? Wilderness Camp?"
Why don't you do the same? You use at least two plus your anon posts. What a loser.
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Nope, I don't have a login. I'm also not the Carlbrook Mom troll. I've only posted once or twice in one year. I just get a kick out of the brilliant ways some of you like to "get rid" of posters you disagree with. Luke is the one I'm most familiar with. He's got a particular "style" that he can't hide from.
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Carlbrook Troll Mom, you are pathetic... I couldn't imagine being your kid. :roll:
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Hmmm. What a coincidence.
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If I were a parent (happily and by choice I am not) I hope that I would be a good enough parent to have raised my son to being doing more with his life/summer vacation than sitting in front of a computer screen all day spewing venom. I would also hope that while he was out making a life for himself that he would find a *real* sexual partner so that he would not have to get his rocks off talking about sex on Fornits with strangers. Gee, it's not even June yet.
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:wstupid:
Anything to avoid feeling guilt or accepting responsibility, eh, programmies?
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I don't know which of you went to program schools but if you did go to them I may have to change my opinion. Earlier I thought you were bad spokespeople for the anti-program crusade. You, and what you've become, ARE the reason parents shouldn't send their kids to program schools.
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whats up with folks at Struggling teens?
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They are equally fucked up as all of you are.
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Say WHAT? I am not a Carlbrook troll mom. I am the wonderful mother of a perfect young lady.
I do see we get to talk about sex again and the babies have been let out of school. Now, Lukie, be a good boy and don't ruin my thread. I am teaching everyone how to behave here and being a good example of an anti-program person who has no idea what I am talking about but can fill up pages of the forum with my windy preachings.
Julie
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Hahahahahaha. :rofl:
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Please, Julie, don't forget to use your *asterix*.
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On 2006-05-23 09:31:00, JulietheGreat wrote:
"Say WHAT? I am not a Carlbrook troll mom. I am the wonderful mother of a perfect young lady.
I do see we get to talk about sex again and the babies have been let out of school. Now, Lukie, be a good boy and don't ruin my thread. I am teaching everyone how to behave here and being a good example of an anti-program person who has no idea what I am talking about but can fill up pages of the forum with my windy preachings.
Julie"
I love how you degrade others with differing opinions, yet your entire life is a morass of trolling and avoiding debate. Your life is pretty sad. It is no wonder why your son is so fucked up that he "needed" Carlbrook. And you call your self a "parent"? Sure. Right. This is the example you set for your boy and just look where that got him.
BTW, you are the best anti-program advertisement that can be had. You exemplify and discredit every stuggling parent that posts here. YOU are the reason programs are "necessary"!
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On 2006-05-15 20:51:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"I feel bad for their kids. Most of the parents over at ST think absolutely nothing about smearing their kid's lives all over the internet. The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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I just spent some time reading through some of the threads on Fornits. Interesting. Three Springs, you've asked very specific questions of parents about their kids on this open forum on a number of occasions. OK for you to know the dirt??? What were you planning on doing with the info from some "trusting" parent...abuse them? Double standards.
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Glad to hear you think programs are necessary. Now, sign up.
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On 2006-05-23 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Glad to hear you think programs are necessary. Now, sign up."
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy for you people. You create the "demand" by being terrible parents then you ensure the "supply" by paying the quacks.
Just face the facts. It's your fault your kid is messed up and your fault you had to pay a program to do your job. Why come here and cry about it? You made your bed. Lie in it.
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Parents don't come here to cry about their kids. They come here for ME to tell them how to parent! They need a kick in the ass and it is my job, as God's designated representative to guide all parents, to do this.
I have to confuse the issue enough so that no one realizes that there are actually really good programs for struggling teens and really caring, compassionate parents. I have to hide this so I can protect my job.
Julie
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This is why your kid is in a program. All you do is bitch and moan on the internet all day every day. When could you possibly have time to be a real parent when your entire life is comprised of pretending to be other people and making a fool of yourself? You make every other parent look horrible. You're a window into the lives of those who patronize programs. You really are a pathetic little wretch.
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I don't see anyone bitching and moaning except for Deborah, Julie, TSW, DJ, and the Lukie trio. The others just defend their decision and opinion against wordy, arrogant faux psychologists. And then, of course, there's the sex! :eek:
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btw: I don't have a kid.
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On 2006-05-23 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
" All you do is bitch and moan on the internet all day every day."
And what are your summer plans?
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On 2006-05-23 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't see anyone bitching and moaning except for Deborah, Julie, TSW, DJ, and the Lukie trio. The others just defend their decision and opinion against wordy, arrogant faux psychologists. And then, of course, there's the sex! :eek: "
Forgot Nihil.
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On 2006-05-23 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is why your kid is in a program. All you do is bitch and moan on the internet all day every day. When could you possibly have time to be a real parent when your entire life is comprised of pretending to be other people and making a fool of yourself? You make every other parent look horrible. You're a window into the lives of those who patronize programs. You really are a pathetic little wretch."
And, pray tell, who are you pretending to be?
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On 2006-05-23 07:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 06:26:00, JulietheGreat wrote:
"ALL program parents are immature. Only those of us who oppose ALL programs have any maturity. If you read the posts by Nihilanthic, DysfunctionJunction, Deborah and ThreeSprings- and of course ME-you will see examples of true maturity. Please don't forget to read the KareninDallas thread, because that is how we on Fornits show the world what we are all about. We are so clever and funny and anyone who comes to this forum can immediately see how much we know and how mature we are.
Julie"
This is the Carlbrook mom troll who cries like a baby at anons and accuses people of having multiple logins. This is her second bogus identity. Is Wilkes-Barre THAT boring? Or are you just a bigger baby and that much immature thsan the 16-year-olds that you like to torment?"
She's just mad that she had to take a 3rd mortgage on the trailer and there's only enough money left over for ten cases of Iron City a week.
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:rofl: :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-05-23 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is why your kid is in a program. All you do is bitch and moan on the internet all day every day. When could you possibly have time to be a real parent when your entire life is comprised of pretending to be other people and making a fool of yourself? You make every other parent look horrible. You're a window into the lives of those who patronize programs. You really are a pathetic little wretch."
What the hell are you here for?
Got any good reason?
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On 2006-05-23 13:58:00, F t P Rep wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is why your kid is in a program. All you do is bitch and moan on the internet all day every day. When could you possibly have time to be a real parent when your entire life is comprised of pretending to be other people and making a fool of yourself? You make every other parent look horrible. You're a window into the lives of those who patronize programs. You really are a pathetic little wretch."
What the hell are you here for?
Got any good reason?"
Yes, to point out how the whining, sniveling, "poor me" program parents are the cause of and solution to their problems. They've messed up their kids so bad that they had to hire others to parent for them. They need to step up, be adults and do their job - TAKING CARE OF THEIR KIDS.
What are you here for?
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Anon- you serve no purpose on the face of this earth. You have no concept of what these parents or their kids are about. You know nothing about most of the programs discussed here. You are just a groupie to some of the loud-mouths on this forum and when you are exposed as a nobody who knows nothing, your fallback is to dump on the parents- very few of whom even come near this forum. Why should they? It's a bunch of garbage and juvenile bathroom dialogue. The fact that you want to blame the parents- many of who would agree that they made parenting mistakes and are doing everything in their power to help their kids- which means, in some cases, residential placement- says SO much about you.
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On 2006-05-23 14:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon- you serve no purpose on the face of this earth. You have no concept of what these parents or their kids are about. You know nothing about most of the programs discussed here. You are just a groupie to some of the loud-mouths on this forum and when you are exposed as a nobody who knows nothing, your fallback is to dump on the parents- very few of whom even come near this forum. Why should they? It's a bunch of garbage and juvenile bathroom dialogue. The fact that you want to blame the parents- many of who would agree that they made parenting mistakes and are doing everything in their power to help their kids- which means, in some cases, residential placement- says SO much about you."
Isn't it amusing that you bash me for "knowing nothing" about programs and discussing them (you're completely wrong, by the way), but then you speculate wildly about me, someone about whom you provably know absolutely nothing.
What's up with your pretzel logic? "As de dawg chases its tail..."
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I dont have a good reason, I really should do something more productive with my time. I saw what you were doing and all, but why, it doesn't make any sense. Honestly, you're just stating the obvious, but who gives a shit. If you had THE ANSWER as you're putting it you sure as hell wouldn't be here either. Get off your lame internet soap box, you aren't changing anything.
Shut the fuck up
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On 2006-05-23 14:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anon- you serve no purpose on the face of this earth. You have no concept of what these parents or their kids are about. You know nothing about most of the programs discussed here. You are just a groupie to some of the loud-mouths on this forum and when you are exposed as a nobody who knows nothing, your fallback is to dump on the parents- very few of whom even come near this forum. Why should they? It's a bunch of garbage and juvenile bathroom dialogue. The fact that you want to blame the parents- many of who would agree that they made parenting mistakes and are doing everything in their power to help their kids- which means, in some cases, residential placement- says SO much about you."
You know what says "SO much about you"? The fact that you sent your kid to a program run by proven abusers and that you log in as several different people and act like a fool and a child.
Your credibility is exactly ZERO. All you post is vitriol and inanity.
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First of all, you have no idea where I sent my kid, and there were no proven abusers there. In fact, there was nothing abusive at all about the program.You know N O T H I N G.
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On 2006-05-23 14:20:00, F t P Rep wrote:
"I dont have a good reason, I really should do something more productive with my time. I saw what you were doing and all, but why, it doesn't make any sense. Honestly, you're just stating the obvious, but who gives a shit. If you had THE ANSWER as you're putting it you sure as hell wouldn't be here either. Get off your lame internet soap box, you aren't changing anything.
Shut the fuck up"
All I've seen coming from you is a bunch of BS. Instead of acting like a baby, put out some ideas. From your rambling, incoherent messes one can't even ascertain which side of the argument you espouse.
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You remind me of a bleach blond mormon with extra white teeth.
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On 2006-05-23 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"First of all, you have no idea where I sent my kid, and there were no proven abusers there. In fact, there was nothing abusive at all about the program.You know N O T H I N G."
C A R L B R O O K. T I M B R A C E.
I know that much. I would never send a kid to where that freak works. Not to mention the other abusers from shut-down kiddie jails on staff.
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On 2006-05-23 14:25:00, F t P Rep wrote:
"You remind me of a bleach blond mormon with extra white teeth."
This does little to explain your position on the issues. You do understand that, don't you?
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I love watching programmies squirm. :tup:
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Tim Brace has contributed very positively to Carlbrook. The only danger he presents is possibly drowning someone in his emotional tears. He is in no way abusive and he is adored by the kids and parents.
Try again.
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That's not what I was told by students.
Try again, bitch.
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On 2006-05-23 14:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Tim Brace has contributed very positively to Carlbrook. The only danger he presents is possibly drowning someone in his emotional tears. He is in no way abusive and he is adored by the kids and parents.
Try again."
OK, now we're getting somewhere. I know a LOT about you, but you know nothing about me. How funny.
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On 2006-05-23 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's not what I was told by students.
Try again, bitch."
Which students, do tell.
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You tell us who you are first.
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On 2006-05-23 15:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You tell us who you are first."
:nworthy:
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On 2006-05-23 10:18:00, JulietheGreat wrote:
"Parents don't come here to cry about their kids. They come here for ME to tell them how to parent! They need a kick in the ass and it is my job, as God's designated representative to guide all parents, to do this.
I have to confuse the issue enough so that no one realizes that there are actually really good programs for struggling teens and really caring, compassionate parents. I have to hide this so I can protect my job.
Julie"
What do you make of people, Random, who resort to voicing their resentments toward another in such devious ways?
The perplexing pretentiousness of program parents is positively perverse.
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"The perplexing pretentiousness of program parents is positively perverse."
What clever alliteration.
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Still can't manage that quote feature, eh, Carlbrook Mom Troll?
Why do you avoid the issue about your multiple logins? No comment about that, huh? What a surprise :roll: .
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On 2006-05-24 05:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
""The perplexing pretentiousness of program parents is positively perverse."
What clever alliteration."
Thanks... and another
Desperate devotees are devilishly deceptive when defending destructive, dictatorial dogma- dismiss debate, detract from discussion, denounce data, deny damages. Despicable.
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Annoying, arrogant assholes, avoiding avocation to argue assinine allegations of abuse-
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Arrested anonymous amateurs advocating arenas of adolescent apathy-
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On 2006-05-24 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Annoying, arrogant assholes, avoiding avocation to argue assinine allegations of abuse-"
This IS my avocation, dumbass. Maybe you should get a VOCATION so you don't have so much time on your hands. Geez, unemployed lawyers.
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I'm not a lawyer. That's the ugliest thing anyone has ever said to me.
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On 2006-05-24 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-24 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Annoying, arrogant assholes, avoiding avocation to argue assinine allegations of abuse-"
This IS my avocation, dumbass. Maybe you should get a VOCATION so you don't have so much time on your hands. Geez, unemployed lawyers."
Sorry, it should have read:
Annoying, arrogant, assholes, avoiding admirable avocation to argue assinine allegations of abuse-
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Maybe it should have read:
RandomWalk
Member
Member # 3697
posted April 24, 2006 05:59 AM
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Katfish writes: "LOL- that's the funniest sh-t I've seen in quite some time!!! ah ha ha ha ha! I think we all should just invade struggling teens- take these monthly polls and make our point on their forums- politely, of course... so as not to get the boot. WE have the stronger arguement"
ALSO, she and others have overloaded Lon's poll on bootcamps by repeated voting for anti-programs and ruined the true results.,
Any more questions?
Yes, one more question, Karen. Are you so obsessed with trolling program discussion sites that you can't even give it a rest while you're visiting your flunkie/junkie kid in Jersey? Why are you holed up in a hotel room bashing Katfish when you're supposed to be seeing junior?
YOU ARE THE MOST PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A PARENT I'VE EVER SEEN, BAR NONE, KAREN.
:nworthy: loser. still at it!
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What a drag. I need a login. First you call me a lawyer :scared: and then you give this Karen person credit for my alliteration.
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Yeh, you could call yourself "NotaLawyer".
User names make for easier flow and discussion.
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Um, the guys who fucked up Lon's poll were Paul and Luke, not a "she".
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Sorry, been out of town since Monday, now Thursday night, sure lets meet in a chat room and fuck. You bet I am ready, let me know......
Trust me, you will have a good time, and also maybe will will get something accomplished (more than sex).