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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 13, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
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So what'd all the men do about this? Those men's dorms must have been NASTY!! What'd you all get off in the shower, or did you give each other head?? Really, I'm curious to know what went on in a room tightly packed with a dozen young, hormonal boys?? Was it kosher to just jerk off in each other's presence?
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Other than in Elan, I dont think Ive ever met a woman who would ask such as stupid fucking question, but I'd still bet youre a 19 year old boy sitting at your computer in a pair of your mothers panties with a fist full of hand lotion.
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Most of the male population at Elan had no trouble being sexually satisfied at least once a week.
Im surprised you have not read the transcripts and testimony of these incidents.
Each night (except for good friday, and superbowl sunday) several female residents from any random house were volunteered.
As these women were sleeping in their own dorms, a crew of three men gained access to the dorms and took with them a bottle of nitrous oxide and two masks.
The masks were placed over the faces of two sleeping women at a time, and the nO2 was then administered which induced sleep at the same level as being sedated for surgery in a hospital.
These two women were then taken to the elan 7 mens dorms, where another bottle of nitrous oxide, and several masks (and horny young boys) were waiting.
The women were then undressed, placed in a vacant bed and covered with a white sheet.
The nitrous mask was then removed and replaced with the stationary mask so the portable masks and tank could be used for the next female dorm extraction.
The rapes took place by way of lottery. A dorm rep called a "dealer" would walk through the dorms and flip a playing card onto each occupied bed.
Who-ever got the highest card of the round was allowed to select which female subject he would have relations with, and then proceed. Four rounds of cards were dealt, and only four women per night were taken to the mens dorms. Thus four men had sex per night.
One male was allowed to have sex with one female, and that female was then douched, washed, retired for the night, and returned to her dorm room where she awoke the next day with only a subtle subconscious recollection of the events the previous evening.
Theres was a hard-fast rule that each female had a vaginal inspection to be sure she was not either A: infected with drippage
B: menstruating
C: a virgin with hymen intact.
Any visual signs of the above would render the female off limits and she would be returned to her own bed immediately.
Funny, but no Elan female was ever found to be a virgin.
On the contrary, many were obviously infected with some sort of sexually transmitted disease, but that did not immediately disqualify her for the nights activities. (occasionally a condom would be available)
The occurances of menstruation were random and noted (for scheduling)
Of course there were men who preferred an alternative.
In this case, Art was sedated, and taken to the mens dorms, where he was subjected to the same proceedure: He was undressed, had a vaginal inspection, placed face down across a vacant bed and covered with a yellowing sheet that had a hole in it about the size of Arts ass. (big)
Ok, so I made that last part up.
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That was funny :razz:
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good gawd shiteater,, you have way to much time on your hands.....to concoct a fantasy about art that detailed,,, i bet you were jacking off while writing it,,,hmmm,, i wonder what staff member was really there that turned you on so much?do is there a hidden shiteater in power there?i bet it was gottlieb,,,did you like the way he spat on you ,,,or did the shade of his face remind you subconsiously of your daddys asshole?
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On 2006-05-13 18:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"good gawd shiteater,, you have way to much time on your hands.....to concoct a fantasy about art that detailed,,, i bet you were jacking off while writing it,,,hmmm,, i wonder what staff member was really there that turned you on so much?do is there a hidden shiteater in power there?i bet it was gottlieb,,,did you like the way he spat on you ,,,or did the shade of his face remind you subconsiously of your daddys asshole?"
Sex story: Mildly entertaining.
Your post: Quite revealing. You obviously have a poor education, a disturbing hang up with feces, and some guilt of your own homosexual behavior. (which is likely an unaddressed victim issue and or a classic rejection of your own desires to have sex with men)
Go see a psychologist, an adult education counselor, a gay and lesbian outreach coordinator and , maybe a physician too... It may do you some good. And for petes sake, quit feeling guilty about having sex with men.
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Just for the record, that above post was not mine either art, but it was very funny.
Reporter
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Again
who cares....
Do you have a goal to accomplish here? Is Art part of your goal? Its ok to be an asshole sometimes,but this really has turned into a career for you.
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Of course it wasnt you reporter.
Your literary skills are sub-par and mediocre at best.
You lack the skill, the humor and the vocabulary needed to be interesting.
You'll need more than a GED to get there.
Read a book.
Read lots of books.
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You should'nt even talk Art, you cant even spell simple words right. You're a simpleton at best.
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Okay, that thread gave me the good laugh thats been lacking from this site... :smile: :tup:
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And while all this masterbation was commencing in the dorms, Big Chief Kruglik was watching every second of it and saying ( hi yuh yuh yuh yuh).
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Whoever's posted this shit is definetly sick minded and sexually unresolved. I wouldn't dare calling him a homosexual, because that would lead us to generalise, presuposing that all homosexuals are sick. I'm not gonna fall into the this obvious discussion, guess we all agree that what he's saying is sick, sexist and just plain ridiculous overall. Bottom line.
I'd like to get back to the topic's central idea, which is "masturbation". I know this generates some sort of taboo, let's pretend we're all mature about this, just for a second.
Have you guys ever wondered about how come teenagers between 15-18 years old, during puberty, were deprived from any sexual behavior for 2 to 3 years?
How confused do they get once they're out because they haven't gone through the phase of learning how to relate to people sexually/affectivelly?
You can't have sex, you can't touch each other, you can't flirt, you can barelly have conversations with someone of the opposite sex.
You can't touch yourself. Everytime someone in the dorms was discovered masturbating, it was so, so embarassing, they'd make it seem as if the person was completelly sick minded. How therapeutical is that, seriously? That shit's wrong!
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On 2006-05-16 20:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whoever's posted this shit is definetly sick minded and sexually unresolved. I wouldn't dare calling him a homosexual, because that would lead us to generalise, presuposing that all homosexuals are sick. I'm not gonna fall into the this obvious discussion, guess we all agree that what he's saying is sick, sexist and just plain ridiculous overall. Bottom line.
I'd like to get back to the topic's central idea, which is "masturbation". I know this generates some sort of taboo, let's pretend we're all mature about this, just for a second.
Have you guys ever wondered about how come teenagers between 15-18 years old, during puberty, were deprived from any sexual behavior for 2 to 3 years?
How confused do they get once they're out because they haven't gone through the phase of learning how to relate to people sexually/affectivelly?
You can't have sex, you can't touch each other, you can't flirt, you can barelly have conversations with someone of the opposite sex.
You can't touch yourself. Everytime someone in the dorms was discovered masturbating, it was so, so embarassing, they'd make it seem as if the person was completelly sick minded. How therapeutical is that, seriously? That shit's wrong!"
To address your (over)reaction to a practical joke: Get over it.
As for your inquiry to the masturbation habits of underaged boys.
Whos sick?
Whos to say masturbating in the shower wasnt the overwhelming fix-all to this issue you apparently chalk up as yet another of the abuses Elan exposes us to?
I cant speak for anyone but myself, but I have to say it wasnt often a sexual urge would strike me while I was shacked up in Elan, but when it did, a five minute shower did the trick.
Is there something too inconceivable about that being the norm?
As for your claim that Elan surpressed the natural urges and activities of 14, 15, 16, and 17 year old boys. Youre certainly polishing one side of the coin quite well.
The other side shines with some reality.
Generally speaking, children in that age group have little to no sexual experience.
What little they may have had was most likely not a healthy, reasonable, responsible act on their part. In fact, I doubt it would be far fetched to say many of Elans residents had experienced some form of innapropriate or illegal sexual conduct.. in varying degrees from a single occasion, to ongoing abuse, either as a victim, OR a perpetrator.
Elan had no legal choice in the matter as far as how children relate to each other, and how far relationships with the oposite sex could go.
You and your creative twist and spin seems to indicate there were other options or more favorable methods. Thats just plain ignorant.
I think the rules and regulations as well as the atmosphere set a precidence, and was a great environment to learn to respect yourselves and to respect women.
There wer certainly some reasonable way to deal with an "attraction" to someone (or as they used to say "having eyes for someone"
So as far as teenagers go, did you have something else in mind?
I guess if you feel like you missed out on getting laid, maybe you should take that up with a counselor or something.
Kids in the real world are not exactly sexually active to any healthy, responsible degree.
I dont think I am alone when I say I think the kids in Elan, with whatever problems lead them there, were far from "ready" to pursue thier sexual desires or attractions...even further than those kids in public schools who had stable home lives, good grades, and no overwhelming social issues that would be further complicated by having sex at age 14-17
You spin a good web. Welcome back to reality.
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On 2006-05-16 20:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whoever's posted this shit is definetly sick minded and sexually unresolved. I wouldn't dare calling him a homosexual, because that would lead us to generalise, presuposing that all homosexuals are sick. I'm not gonna fall into the this obvious discussion, guess we all agree that what he's saying is sick, sexist and just plain ridiculous overall. Bottom line.
I'd like to get back to the topic's central idea, which is "masturbation". I know this generates some sort of taboo, let's pretend we're all mature about this, just for a second.
Have you guys ever wondered about how come teenagers between 15-18 years old, during puberty, were deprived from any sexual behavior for 2 to 3 years?
How confused do they get once they're out because they haven't gone through the phase of learning how to relate to people sexually/affectivelly?
You can't have sex, you can't touch each other, you can't flirt, you can barelly have conversations with someone of the opposite sex.
You can't touch yourself. Everytime someone in the dorms was discovered masturbating, it was so, so embarassing, they'd make it seem as if the person was completelly sick minded. How therapeutical is that, seriously? That shit's wrong!"
To address your (over)reaction to a practical joke: Get over it.
As for your inquiry to the masturbation habits of underaged boys.
Whos sick?
Whos to say masturbating in the shower wasnt the overwhelming fix-all to this issue you apparently chalk up as yet another of the abuses Elan exposed us to?
I cant speak for anyone but myself, but I have to say it wasnt often a sexual urge would strike me while I was shacked up in Elan, but when it did, a five minute shower did the trick.
Is there something too inconceivable about that being the norm? Do "normal" kids jerk off in the shower?
As for your claim that Elan surpressed the natural urges and activities of 14, 15, 16, and 17 year old boys. Youre certainly polishing one side of the coin quite well.
Flip to reality:
Generally speaking, children in that age group have little to no sexual experience.
What little they may have had was most likely not a healthy, reasonable, responsible act on their part. In fact, I doubt it would be far fetched to say many of Elans residents had experienced some form of innapropriate or illegal sexual conduct in varying degrees from a single occasion, to ongoing abuse, either as a victim, OR a perpetrator or both.
Elan had no legal or ethical choice in the matter as far as how children relate to each other, and how far relationships with the oposite sex could go.
You and your creative twist and spin seems to indicate there were other options or more favorable methods. Thats just plain ignorant.
I think the rules and regulations as well as the atmosphere set the only example it could, and was a great environment to learn to respect yourselves and to respect women.
There were certainly some reasonable ways to deal with an "attraction" to someone (or as they used to say "having eyes for someone")
So as far as teenagers go, did you have something else in mind?
I guess if you feel like you missed out on getting laid, maybe you should take that up with a counselor or something.
Kids in the real world are not exactly sexually active to any healthy, responsible degree.
I dont think I am alone when I say I think the kids in Elan, with whatever problems lead them there, were far from "ready" to pursue thier sexual desires or attractions...even further than those kids in public schools who had stable home lives, good grades, and no overwhelming social issues that would be further complicated by having sex at age 14-17
You spin a good web. Welcome back to reality.
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Let's talk about reality here. It seems you haven't been talking to kids much. Don't be so conservative. You're defending some fucked up rule and it's so not true that these kids learn how to respect women from being in Elan. People don't change their mentalities unless they change within themselves in contact with the life experience. These kids go straight to college without leraning the basics of how to treat a girl. It's pretty sad. But what I really don't get is how come somone could possibly deffend the Elan rules about that shit. One word for you: Authoritarian... to the extreme!
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shower or laundry room,,,,pulling 1 of was never a problem for boys,, but what we want to hear about it the chicks,, did u watch each other?
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Listen silly person. If you are in an environment where sex and sexual activity is prohibited, that environment is going to enhance and encourage you to recognize women as more than just a sexual object.
Its seems a moot point to discuss this for several reasons. First is the topic. Masturbation.
Who cares what teenaged boys did in Elan to satisfy their urges?
Theres no doubt in my mind that these kids did what most kids their age did...they jerked off in the shower.
Secondly, The mojority of teens simply dont have active sex lives. Thats not to say no kids have sex, of course they do but I think youre dilusional if you think teens are either Having sex on a regular basis or being deprived of a right to have sex or act in a sexual way towards others.
Another reason it may be silly to discuss this with you is that you are obviously one of the many bandwagoners who think there was absolutely nothing good, or positive or beneficial or reasonable about Elan and its program.
This is always a black and white issue. Either everyone has to agree with the opinion that Elan was absolutely worthless and lacked any positives what so ever, or they are an Elan supporter or apologist and their observations and opinions are biased.
Bullshit.
I attended Elan in the 80s, for 25 months, and to be perfectly honest, I dont recall being overwhelmed by the fact that I could not act in a sexual way towards women, or have any sexual contact with them. At 15, I judged women by appearances and sexual appeal.
Are they fuckable yes or no. If not, I want nothing to do with them.
Most teen boys feel the same way at that age.
Is there a better environment to learn how to recognize women for their qualities? If sexual contact isnt an option Id say fuck yeah!
Is the 18-24 months in Elan really removing some sort of right of a child to pursue sexual urges and attractions? I think not. Since most kids at that age have not had any sort of ongoing sexual relationship, or ANY sexual relationship...I dont thin Elan reduced their oportunities by a recognizable degree.
On the other hand, kids are not stupid. Sure, they go from Elan to college, or wherever, and are forced to relate to women in an atmosphere where sexual activity is now possible. But you cant convince me that whatever skills kids may have missed out on in pursuit of "getting some" wont soon be adapted and used.
Hell I had sex the second day out of Elan. The only thing I had to do was tell the girl I hadnt had sex in 2 years, and bam!...she unleashed the lion.
I think its relevant to say that even thouh kids leaving Elan may lack a few social skills involved with attracting the oposite sex...I dont think the same rules apply to the people who may be attracted to the kids who were in Elan. If a girls interested and attracted to you, shes gonna get you in the sack no matter how much Elan brainwashing youve endured.
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elan showed me the best way to jack off in womens panties and bras,,,,
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Sicko men....girls don't masterbate. Maybe older girls do, but 14 year olds? I don't think so.